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Acac Sunflyier
Burning Star L.L.C.
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Posted - 2012.12.05 13:04:00 -
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I've been seriously debating to switching to faction missiles to compensate for the range nerf. What are your thoughts on the best new sleeper killer? (Note I was using furry before) There just isn't anything intresting on the front page of the GD anymore. Yawn! |
Shenra Twrin
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2012.12.05 13:14:00 -
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Acac Sunflyier wrote:I've been seriously debating to switching to faction missiles to compensate for the range nerf. What are your thoughts on the best new sleeper killer? (Note I was using furry before)
why new best killer ?
Dreads + webloki > all |
Viaana
Jazz Associates Azgoths of Kria
3
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Posted - 2012.12.05 14:08:00 -
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Acac Sunflyier wrote:I've been seriously debating to switching to faction missiles to compensate for the range nerf. What are your thoughts on the best new sleeper killer? (Note I was using furry before)
We were thinking the same... |
King Rothgar
CONTRATTO
331
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Posted - 2012.12.05 14:14:00 -
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The only valid use of a tengu is as an off grid booster for a maelstrom of doom. Hawk of doom is also acceptable but that just seems a little overkill.. The Troll is trolling. |
Goodluvins
Darkstorm Corporation
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Posted - 2012.12.05 15:35:00 -
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Acac Sunflyier wrote:I've been seriously debating to switching to faction missiles to compensate for the range nerf. What are your thoughts on the best new sleeper killer? (Note I was using furry before)
So....what exactly were you using a furry for? If furries don't work, try using pedos (lol) Agh, it's too early for this.. |
Paikis
Vapour Holdings
303
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Posted - 2012.12.05 15:44:00 -
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If it's for home sites, try using a battleship? Or perhaps use HAMs? |
Malception
Cold Moon Destruction
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Posted - 2012.12.05 16:00:00 -
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Goodluvins beat me to it, but yeah - damn! Furries?! That like throwing carebears at the sleepers? |
Rall Mekin
Jadablade Redneck Rage
11
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Posted - 2012.12.05 17:17:00 -
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Acac Sunflyier wrote:I've been seriously debating to switching to faction missiles to compensate for the range nerf. What are your thoughts on the best new sleeper killer? (Note I was using furry before)
Ok, with all the trolling aside, I will try to deliver an intelligent answer. Let me also disclaim that I left wormholes months ago, though my heart does long to return at times.
At the time, we were doing sites mostly in remote rep Tengus, with the odd loki or drake thrown in. Remote rep tengus with heavies just made it easy to run sleeper sites at all levels and the profit margins isk/hour wise were pretty good. I am assuming that you are attempting to do basically the same thing as were, but with tengus nerfed, finding a suitable replacement in holes where you can't reasonably do cap escalations is difficult.
For reference: C1--any battlecruiser solo will do C2--Can do it with a very well set up battlecruiser, and a t3 is overkill. Pack of Bcs preferred. C3-C4 -- RR Tengu fleet used to be king of the hill here. As a note, I have ALWAYS used faction missiles in wormholes, because the sleepers makeup for it. I would suggest trying to keep the RR Tengu fleet and switch to faction, if that doesn't work, its time to upgrade to battleship fleets.
However, I think the WH community in general needs more info.
What sites in what class are you trying to run?
What exact setup have you been using? |
Acac Sunflyier
Burning Star L.L.C.
269
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Posted - 2012.12.06 01:48:00 -
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C4+ Spider Tank Tengus/lokis There just isn't anything intresting on the front page of the GD anymore. Yawn! |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
490
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Posted - 2012.12.06 02:00:00 -
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Acac Sunflyier wrote:C4+ Spider Tank Tengus/lokis
Even with the range nerf, T1 and faction should have a longer range than your targeting range for most RR fits. I did some basic calculations before retribution and figure using all faction the standard C4 site should burn about 4 million in faction missiles, if you use them exclusively. Given we've averaged at least 80mil per C4 we aren't concerned about the cost. |
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Acac Sunflyier
Burning Star L.L.C.
269
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Posted - 2012.12.06 02:01:00 -
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Oh yeah we used to use scourge furry as well. Shouuld mention that There just isn't anything intresting on the front page of the GD anymore. Yawn! |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
490
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Posted - 2012.12.06 02:05:00 -
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Acac Sunflyier wrote:Oh yeah we used to use scourge furry as well. Shouuld mention that
You did mention that. And they are just fury. Might still be useful, although you have to consider the 10 sec reload time. |
Jack Miton
Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2012.12.06 03:30:00 -
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lol, ive done the opposite on my PVP tengu, going from using faction to fury. faction was better before the patch, now fury is actually better DPS. if 70km isnt enough for you, then youre probably doing something wrong. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
490
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Posted - 2012.12.06 03:42:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:lol, ive done the opposite on my PVP tengu, going from using faction to fury. faction was better before the patch, now fury is actually better DPS. if 70km isnt enough for you, then youre probably doing something wrong.
I guess it depends on what you are shooting? I honestly don't remember the before numbers, but didn't the explosion radius of Furies go up quite a bit?
at least on the PVE side of things (which is the OP's question) Faction seems like a good choice between the two, since sites still have a mix of frigs to BS.
I'll probably still carry some furies and switch to them when I have to reload anyhow to take out the sleeper BS. Faction for others. Maybe try precision again.
The difficult part is the reload, in some instances it may not be worth the reload for the slightly faster killing time for a specific ship.
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Svodola Darkfury
Heaven's End League of Infamy
98
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Posted - 2012.12.06 12:01:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:Jack Miton wrote:lol, ive done the opposite on my PVP tengu, going from using faction to fury. faction was better before the patch, now fury is actually better DPS. if 70km isnt enough for you, then youre probably doing something wrong. I guess it depends on what you are shooting? I honestly don't remember the before numbers, but didn't the explosion radius of Furies go up quite a bit? at least on the PVE side of things (which is the OP's question) Faction seems like a good choice between the two, since sites still have a mix of frigs to BS. I'll probably still carry some furies and switch to them when I have to reload anyhow to take out the sleeper BS. Faction for others. Maybe try precision again. The difficult part is the reload, in some instances it may not be worth the reload for the slightly faster killing time for a specific ship.
Furies are better for Cruisers + Battleships with even a single painter or possibly rigors. Navies still take the cake for frigates from my experience so far.
The damage nerf was not that significant, the range nerf just brought in line with old drakes more or less, so you should still be competitive; still miles better than any other cruiser hull imo.
Svo. |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
476
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Posted - 2012.12.06 13:33:00 -
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Goodluvins wrote:Acac Sunflyier wrote:I've been seriously debating to switching to faction missiles to compensate for the range nerf. What are your thoughts on the best new sleeper killer? (Note I was using furry before) So....what exactly were you using a furry for? If furries don't work, try using pedos (lol) Agh, it's too early for this.. furry launchers. sounds like something the japanese would invent....
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
King Aires
Coffee Sipper's Club The Forgotten Templars
21
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Posted - 2012.12.06 14:29:00 -
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Running C3's with no effects. I find a strong local Tengu with HAMs is king. The skill changes make the HAMs very powerful now and I only lost 2km on my T2 damage missiles (33km now)
I personally love the changes because I changed to a HAM tengu as soon as I saw the nerf coming to heavy missiles. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
490
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Posted - 2012.12.06 14:44:00 -
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Found some C4 sites last night and did some playing around. All Frontier Barracks, so I could test different mixes. The difference between using T1 and Furies, and all faction was about 2.5 minutes for a site for me. This was using my dual Tengu setup (which is slower than a normal RR fleet setup, but nobody else was online at the time). |
RioCrokite
The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost
5
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Posted - 2012.12.06 17:22:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:Found some C4 sites last night and did some playing around. All Frontier Barracks, so I could test different mixes. The difference between using T1 and Furies, and all faction was about 2.5 minutes for a site for me. This was using my dual Tengu setup (which is slower than a normal RR fleet setup, but nobody else was online at the time).
Wait, shouldn't your 5 launcher rr tengu have 750+ dps now with hams? |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
490
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Posted - 2012.12.06 17:49:00 -
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RioCrokite wrote:Derath Ellecon wrote:Found some C4 sites last night and did some playing around. All Frontier Barracks, so I could test different mixes. The difference between using T1 and Furies, and all faction was about 2.5 minutes for a site for me. This was using my dual Tengu setup (which is slower than a normal RR fleet setup, but nobody else was online at the time). Wait, shouldn't your 5 launcher rr tengu have 750+ dps now with hams?
Maybe,
I haven't played with turning them into HAM's yet. And we'd also need to find a decent exit to empire to pick up more assault launchers.(Got tired of collapsing trying to find a way out). Was just playing with what was available.
And this wasn't an RR setup. It was a dual box setup I use when nobody else is logged on (otherwise we'd use 3-4 RR fits) |
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Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
293
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Posted - 2012.12.07 14:14:00 -
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Can personally tell you that firing fury in your mag drake now is very bad, even with a TP.
All lvl5 skills here, was hitting the cruisers for 550 damage, switched to CN Scourge and it topped off at nearly 1k.
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Kalel Nimrott
EG CORP Talocan United
84
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Posted - 2012.12.07 21:00:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:lol, ive done the opposite on my PVP tengu, going from using faction to fury. faction was better before the patch, now fury is actually better DPS. if 70km isnt enough for you, then youre probably doing something wrong. This and this: If you are shooting frigs and cruiser, t1. Bs t2 furrys. If you dual paint, then cruisers with t2 also. Now, with the change, I'm not sure if still works this way. |
Lindsay en Gravonere
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.12.10 09:25:00 -
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Acac Sunflyier wrote:I've been seriously debating to switching to faction missiles to compensate for the range nerf. What are your thoughts on the best new sleeper killer? (Note I was using furry before)
Furries are Sleeper kryptonite?
Good to know. |
Dar Manic
Republic University Minmatar Republic
56
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Posted - 2012.12.10 13:38:00 -
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Kalel Nimrott wrote:If you are shooting frigs and cruiser, t1. Bs t2 furys.
This to some degree.
The change wasn't nearly as bad as I thought it might be. The loss of range is taking time to get use to though. Use CN scourge and be done with it most of the time. I wouldn't waste time switching to t2 fury unless it was a convenient time to do so. I just don't understand null sec players.
Please note: Anytime I use the phrase PvP in a post, I'm talking about shooting/combat/killing things/blowing things up. Thank you. |
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