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AndromacheDarkstar
Fiscal Fisting Inc. Imperial Protectorate
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Posted - 2012.12.05 10:41:00 -
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Just felt the need to point something out here, the reason you are losing drones from your drone boats is because the AI is actually acting intelligently. Its doing somthing PVP`ers would do when faced with a boat that does its DPS through drones and removing the threat. This provides a challenge, if you dont like challenging gameplay then eve is not for you and you are welcome to leave, the door is over there.
Alternatively you could think about how you play the game and maybe, just maybe try something new when running your 450th mission in a row in you drone boat you havent ever lost with the 1 set of drones you bought 3 years ago. Maybe pick up a ship with guns, get some friends in to share the reward, maybe use your drone boat for pvp.
Which brings me to the next point, drone boats are not dead, just dead to you. I still love drones in PVP. Your playing EVE ladies and gents. Man up Fiscal Fisting Inc.-áAmarr Militia Corp Recruiting EU TZ PVP pilots now Also Looking for EU PVP corps to join-áa growing-áAmarr-áFW-áalliance
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Emu Meo
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.12.05 10:42:00 -
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I still think CCP may buff drone HP after all of the crying. But at least the sleeper AI is still here to stay. |
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
100
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Posted - 2012.12.05 10:44:00 -
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Webzz + Gardes and drone dancing. Solved problem |
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CCP Navigator
C C P C C P Alliance
1607
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Posted - 2012.12.05 10:44:00 -
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I fixed your title since you clearly made a typo CCP Navigator -Community Manager |
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James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
1415
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Posted - 2012.12.05 10:45:00 -
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High sec PVE'ers moan about how they lose isk/hr from the AI changes, never admitting that they weren't really supposed to be able to make that much in the first place. -áObjects in mirror are redder than they appear. |
Bing Khagah
Hedion University Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2012.12.05 10:47:00 -
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AndromacheDarkstar wrote:This provides a challenge, if you dont like challenging I concur. Deploying drones and then recalling them for each group, spawn, pocket before deploying them again is exceedingly challenging. |
dexington
Push button receive bacon
191
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Posted - 2012.12.05 10:50:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:High sec PVE'ers moan about how they lose isk/hr from the AI changes, never admitting that they weren't really supposed to be able to make that much in the first place.
to be fair null sec pvp'ers whine just as much about the fact the hi-sec'ers are making any isk at all. GÇ£The best way to keep something bad from happening is to see it ahead of time, and you can't see it if you refuse to face the possibility.GÇ¥ |
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
101
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Posted - 2012.12.05 10:50:00 -
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Bing Khagah wrote:AndromacheDarkstar wrote:This provides a challenge, if you dont like challenging I concur. Deploying drones and then recalling them for each group, spawn, pocket before deploying them again is exceedingly challenging.
This too, it really shouldnt be a problem. |
James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
1415
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Posted - 2012.12.05 10:50:00 -
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dexington wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:High sec PVE'ers moan about how they lose isk/hr from the AI changes, never admitting that they weren't really supposed to be able to make that much in the first place. to be fair null sec pve'ers whine just as much about the fact the hi-sec'ers are making almost as much isk as they are for significantly less risk Fixed. -áObjects in mirror are redder than they appear. |
starbelt stacy
Project-Gonk
10
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Posted - 2012.12.05 10:53:00 -
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umm no sorry simply recalling your drones doesnt work like .... i tired it and it doesnt work the drones that are already targeted and nearly popped within 10secs from launch dont respond.... and thats on the first group in the room.
some rooms you have 4+ groups of npcs, navy raven which i use only can carry 10 t2med drones and some missions there are 5 rooms with about 15+ groups of npcs so do the math if you can.... it isnt hard to work out this is a nerf to l4 mission runners who dont go afk.
hate me if ya like im always partial to hate mail Sack the dumb mofo who decided to nerf level 4's? .... again!!! |
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AndromacheDarkstar
Fiscal Fisting Inc. Imperial Protectorate
242
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Posted - 2012.12.05 10:53:00 -
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CCP Navigator wrote:I fixed your title since you clearly made a typo
Thanks a bunch, keyboard slip Fiscal Fisting Inc.-áAmarr Militia Corp Recruiting EU TZ PVP pilots now Also Looking for EU PVP corps to join-áa growing-áAmarr-áFW-áalliance
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dexington
Push button receive bacon
191
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Posted - 2012.12.05 10:54:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:dexington wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:High sec PVE'ers moan about how they lose isk/hr from the AI changes, never admitting that they weren't really supposed to be able to make that much in the first place. to be fair null sec pve'ers whine just as much about the fact the hi-sec'ers are making almost as much isk as they are for significantly less risk Fixed.
are you trying to say the null-sec pvp'ers are bad at pve, and this is not really a game balance problem but l2p issues? GÇ£The best way to keep something bad from happening is to see it ahead of time, and you can't see it if you refuse to face the possibility.GÇ¥ |
Norrin Ellis
Venture Racing
98
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Posted - 2012.12.05 10:56:00 -
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I thought for a moment this thread might have some useful insights. Color me disappointed. CEO, Venture Racing Retired Senior Banker, EVE Online Hold'Em |
Louis deGuerre
The Dark Tribe Against ALL Authorities
559
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Posted - 2012.12.05 10:58:00 -
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Op's argument might not be stupid if the AI shot of the guns turrets and missile launchers of other ships.
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James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
1415
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Posted - 2012.12.05 11:00:00 -
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dexington wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:dexington wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:High sec PVE'ers moan about how they lose isk/hr from the AI changes, never admitting that they weren't really supposed to be able to make that much in the first place. to be fair null sec pve'ers whine just as much about the fact the hi-sec'ers are making almost as much isk as they are for significantly less risk Fixed. are you trying to say the null-sec pvp'ers are bad at pve, and this is not really a game balance problem but l2p issues? Try again. -áObjects in mirror are redder than they appear. |
Kanta Kansene
Agentes in rebus Relativity Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.12.05 11:14:00 -
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My only question (which I will answer for myself later today) about the drone changes is not related to afk drone-boating. I have ~600k in drones (just enough to have T2 scout drones and some support skills) and I run around in a CNR. Cruise missiles don't work very well against frigs, so I used to get aggro, then send drones to kill the frigs...however even in the past, the frigs would often switch to my drones and I'd lose one or two over the course of a mission...no big deal, buy another couple next time I am at a station. Oft times I would just tank everything and kill all the big stuff and after it was all gone, I'd send drones out to kill a frig, return to bay to rep their shields, rinse, and repeat until all the frigs were gone. Is this going to change, or is it pretty much this now? |
JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
785
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Posted - 2012.12.05 11:16:00 -
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As a related question, are the NPC's only switching their targets to your drones if they are closer to them than you are?
I mean, could you just drop some bouncer 2's and let them go to work as you advance in front of them while remaining closer to the NPC's than your drones are? |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
2101
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Posted - 2012.12.05 11:21:00 -
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AndromacheDarkstar wrote:Just felt the need to point something out here, the reason you are losing drones from your drone boats is because the AI is actually acting intelligently. Its doing somthing PVP`ers would do when faced with a boat that does its DPS through drones and removing the threat. This provides a challenge, if you dont like challenging gameplay then eve is not for you and you are welcome to leave, the door is over there.
I never thought a Malestrom or Vargur did their DPS through drones.
That has clearly to be the reason why the intelligently acting AI shoots some Warriors I, while 8 x 800mm autocannons farm them like a meatgrinder. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Akiyo Mayaki
Industrial Justice Corporation
15
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Posted - 2012.12.05 11:23:00 -
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AndromacheDarkstar wrote:Just felt the need to point something out here, the reason you are losing drones from your drone boats is because the AI is actually acting intelligently. Its doing somthing PVP`ers would do when faced with a boat that does its DPS through drones and removing the threat. This provides a challenge, if you dont like challenging gameplay then eve is not for you and you are welcome to leave, the door is over there.
Alternatively you could think about how you play the game and maybe, just maybe try something new when running your 450th mission in a row in you drone boat you havent ever lost with the 1 set of drones you bought 3 years ago. Maybe pick up a ship with guns, get some friends in to share the reward, maybe use your drone boat for pvp.
Which brings me to the next point, drone boats are not dead, just dead to you. I still love drones in PVP. Your playing EVE ladies and gents. Man up
Maybe it would be slightly more comforting if what you said was true. Not all of us have done these "450" missions. For instance, I have barely got to the tough end of finally almost getting my drone boat. I've been training for this ever since I started on this game and now I almost have it.. Just to see it being ruined.
But yeah, thank you. |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
154
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Posted - 2012.12.05 11:27:00 -
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dexington wrote: are you trying to say the null-sec pvp'ers are bad at pve, and this is not really a game balance problem but l2p issues?
nope, he's tryig to spin the same old nulsec lie
that risk in 1 place is somehow riskier than somewhere else when risk is defined as your ship blowing up
the only place where there is zero risk in eve is INSIDE a station but that doesn't make nulsec sound as badass, so therefore nulsec dwellers declared that nulsec risk is riskier risk because it's riskier risk.
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JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
785
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Posted - 2012.12.05 11:30:00 -
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Kitty Bear wrote:[the only place where there is zero risk in eve is INSIDE a station but that doesn't make nulsec sound as badass, so therefore nulsec dwellers declared that nulsec risk is riskier risk because it's riskier risk.
For some reason this reminded me of known knowns, and known unknowns, along with unknown knowns.
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AndromacheDarkstar
Fiscal Fisting Inc. Imperial Protectorate
242
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Posted - 2012.12.05 11:33:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:AndromacheDarkstar wrote:Just felt the need to point something out here, the reason you are losing drones from your drone boats is because the AI is actually acting intelligently. Its doing somthing PVP`ers would do when faced with a boat that does its DPS through drones and removing the threat. This provides a challenge, if you dont like challenging gameplay then eve is not for you and you are welcome to leave, the door is over there.
I never thought a Malestrom or Vargur did their DPS through drones. That has clearly to be the reason why the intelligently acting AI shoots some Warriors I, while 8 x 800mm autocannons farm them like a meatgrinder.
They cant remove your ship DPS as quickly as they can remove your drone DPS Fiscal Fisting Inc.-áAmarr Militia Corp Recruiting EU TZ PVP pilots now Also Looking for EU PVP corps to join-áa growing-áAmarr-áFW-áalliance
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Remiel Pollard
Devlin Security Devlin Alliance
235
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Posted - 2012.12.05 11:38:00 -
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AndromacheDarkstar wrote:Just felt the need to point something out here, the reason you are losing drones from your drone boats is because the AI is actually acting intelligently. Its doing somthing PVP`ers would do when faced with a boat that does its DPS through drones and removing the threat. This provides a challenge, if you dont like challenging gameplay then eve is not for you and you are welcome to leave, the door is over there.
Alternatively you could think about how you play the game and maybe, just maybe try something new when running your 450th mission in a row in you drone boat you havent ever lost with the 1 set of drones you bought 3 years ago. Maybe pick up a ship with guns, get some friends in to share the reward, maybe use your drone boat for pvp.
Which brings me to the next point, drone boats are not dead, just dead to you. I still love drones in PVP. Your playing EVE ladies and gents. Man up
The thread title led me to believe I would be posting in another "oh nose my drones!" thread - but what you said a thousand times! Those poor little mission runners - suddenly, their predictable little missions aren't predictable anymore. Too bad they won't listen, though, because making excuses for their just being generally bad at EVE (hence why they run missions and don't like change) is all they're really good at. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Irya Boone
Escadron leader
76
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Posted - 2012.12.05 11:43:00 -
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Some people choose the Drone Play style for some reason , i like playing with my dominix ( like this ship ) Never been afk'ed in mission I Think this patch is unfair because a lot of people rely on drones for their DPS , to be fair I think the NPc should destroy any Missiles smaller than them just after the launch.
CCP doesn't Love Drones and drone Boat So Be honest for once and tell every one to skill Caldari and missile .. maybe laser now and it Will be good Too but don't be an hypocrite by nerfing drone boat every month.
It been 4 years people Asking TO Do something about heavy drone Speed .... 2 years to go to a target at 20Km (even with navigation module) so instead of doing things no one asked ... fix that.
Ps: When people asked To improved L4 and npcs It was more Than instead Of Putting a nest of Frigate in LV4 put BS and carrier NPC with Ewar make The LvL4 impossible to do Solo , make npc use drones too etc etc ... not that
And if you don't want people To AFK running mission You could just Do one THING : REMOVE the Aggressive Mode of drone ..... That it only that so you Have to choose to click engage target on every target .
And to discourage AFK mining improve Dps of Astreroids belt pirates : as no more aggressive Mode on drones 30min of attack pirates get a dps of 300 1min00>>>450 1m30>>>800 etc etc so the miners will have to kill the pirates as soon as they get on the grid. It's simple and don't have to add anything in the code ( you already have the code for the sequential improvement of dps >>reacting hardener code ^^ Improve C2 class WH More anos more signs ...RENAME null sec system With the name Of REAL Universe Stellar Name like KOI-730 etc etc It xill be awesome-á |
Souisa
WESCORP 2.0
58
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Posted - 2012.12.05 11:44:00 -
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Using drones in missions was already a challenge, if you sent them in before aggro they would get aggroed.. So they made using drones from being a challenge to being a pain in the ass? o/ |
TheBlueMonkey
Don't Be a Menace That Red Alliance
208
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Posted - 2012.12.05 11:47:00 -
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Gate guns don't shoot drones, I'm happy |
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
168
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Posted - 2012.12.05 12:16:00 -
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OP is yet another person in a long line of them thinking they know how people should play the game. Another thread on drones wasn't really needed sir, you could have posted this in one of the many other threads about drones. ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o )
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Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
157
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Posted - 2012.12.05 12:44:00 -
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I Love Boobies wrote:OP is yet another person in a long line of them thinking they know how people should play the game. Another thread on drones wasn't really needed sir, you could have posted this in one of the many other threads about drones.
but they are a special snowflake and therefore deserve to have a thread of thier very own |
Rengerel en Distel
Amarr Science and Industry
567
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Posted - 2012.12.05 12:47:00 -
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You should probably go tell that guy from goonswarm how bad he is at the game for losing 400+ garde IIs in his carrier ratting. Obviously his carrier should switch to his other weapons, right?
But please, continue to tell people that play the game differently than you, that they're doing it wrong.
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Nevryn Takis
University of Caille Gallente Federation
24
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Posted - 2012.12.05 12:55:00 -
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As I've posted elsewhere it's not only an issue for mission runners .. before the patch is 3 angle frigates decide to target T2 mining drones it's take them 60 secs to kill the drone after the patch it takes less than 10 ... and they always target the drones if they're out.. makes using them completely pointless and if you actually deploy warrirors to kill the rats the AI does not switch to the combat drones.. So you're trying to convince me that a change in the AI to make it more intelligent about what it targets is responsible for a 5 fold increase in damge output against drones? |
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
2102
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Posted - 2012.12.05 13:01:00 -
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AndromacheDarkstar wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:AndromacheDarkstar wrote:Just felt the need to point something out here, the reason you are losing drones from your drone boats is because the AI is actually acting intelligently. Its doing somthing PVP`ers would do when faced with a boat that does its DPS through drones and removing the threat. This provides a challenge, if you dont like challenging gameplay then eve is not for you and you are welcome to leave, the door is over there.
I never thought a Malestrom or Vargur did their DPS through drones. That has clearly to be the reason why the intelligently acting AI shoots some Warriors I, while 8 x 800mm autocannons farm them like a meatgrinder. They cant remove your ship DPS as quickly as they can remove your drone DPS
I have yet to see anyone in PvP being fixated killing my Minmatar ship's drones. Maybe because it's stupid? So why do you say AI is acting intelligently if they can't even adapt to who is attacking them?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10541
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Posted - 2012.12.05 13:13:00 -
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JC Anderson wrote:As a related question, are the NPC's only switching their targets to your drones if they are closer to them than you are? No, they switch to the drones if they perceive them to be either a bigger threat than anything else on the field or if they see them as "new arrivals" (which is one of their main pet peeves and which will often trigger their ire).
One of the ways to keep fire off the drones is to ensure that something else looks like a bigger problem - something like, say, an ewar ship or a remote support ship or some other kind of force multiplier that the AI feels the need to take care of first to cut down on the difficulty of the opposition. When such a target is identified, the AI will conclude that it needs to be killed first, and that the relatively weak drone DPS can wait until later. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Planktal
Kenshao Industries
55
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Posted - 2012.12.05 13:13:00 -
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All interesting comments but for the fact the new NPC AI is broken right out the door. Just have to, after getting the first aggro, is launch mediums, wait for them to catch aggro (usually takes about 10-15 seconds) retrieve then wait 10 seconds then relaunch, aggro free for the rest of the room. May have to pull back and relaunch if a new wave spawns. even lights work if you wait until the second launch cause they die fast if launched first. Here sanity, nice sanity.....*THWOOK* Got the bastard |
Rensari
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2012.12.05 13:52:00 -
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At least OP is recognizing that drones are not viable for pve anymore.
They need to add an overheat mechanism to guns so they become worthless after 10 seconds and we will see if the OPs attitude changes. |
Jame Jarl Retief
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
487
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Posted - 2012.12.05 13:54:00 -
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AndromacheDarkstar wrote:Just felt the need to point something out here, the reason you are losing drones from your drone boats is because the AI is actually acting intelligently. Its doing somthing PVP`ers would do when faced with a boat that does its DPS through drones and removing the threat. This provides a challenge, if you dont like challenging gameplay then eve is not for you and you are welcome to leave, the door is over there.
Until ALL NPCs also begin to "intelligently" attack your turrets' ability to do damage by TDing them, AND also ALL NPCs "intelligently" begin to spam defender missiles to reduce your launchers' ability to do damage, you have no case. Better luck next time. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
488
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Posted - 2012.12.05 13:54:00 -
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Planktal wrote:All interesting comments but for the fact the new NPC AI is broken right out the door. Just have to, after getting the first aggro, is launch mediums, wait for them to catch aggro (usually takes about 10-15 seconds) retrieve then wait 10 seconds then relaunch, aggro free for the rest of the room. May have to pull back and relaunch if a new wave spawns. even lights work if you wait until the second launch cause they die fast if launched first.
you do know that's a bug ccp is going to fix soon right? Check out the thread in the Test Server Feedback forum.
CCP Gargant:-á this game requires a certain amount of simply going out there and chatting with people. You will get scammed, destroyed, cheated, trolled, and blown up but that is just a part of the essence of this game. -á |
JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
787
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Posted - 2012.12.05 13:56:00 -
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Tippia wrote:JC Anderson wrote:As a related question, are the NPC's only switching their targets to your drones if they are closer to them than you are? No, they switch to the drones if they perceive them to be either a bigger threat than anything else on the field or if they see them as "new arrivals" (which is one of their main pet peeves and which will often trigger their ire). One of the ways to keep fire off the drones is to ensure that something else looks like a bigger problem - something like, say, an ewar ship or a remote support ship or some other kind of force multiplier that the AI feels the need to take care of first to cut down on the difficulty of the opposition. When such a target is identified, the AI will conclude that it needs to be killed first, and that the relatively weak drone DPS can wait until later.
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
489
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Posted - 2012.12.05 13:56:00 -
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Tippia wrote:JC Anderson wrote:As a related question, are the NPC's only switching their targets to your drones if they are closer to them than you are? No, they switch to the drones if they perceive them to be either a bigger threat than anything else on the field or if they see them as "new arrivals" (which is one of their main pet peeves and which will often trigger their ire). One of the ways to keep fire off the drones is to ensure that something else looks like a bigger problem - something like, say, an ewar ship or a remote support ship or some other kind of force multiplier that the AI feels the need to take care of first to cut down on the difficulty of the opposition. When such a target is identified, the AI will conclude that it needs to be killed first, and that the relatively weak drone DPS can wait until later.
Doesn't quite work that way. Sometimes you can stop them from switching, sometimes you can't, a few times i've even unloaded a boatload of threat (ecm, webs, mach dps, remote repping) and STILL watched noc frigs continue to chew my light drones up. CCP Gargant:-á this game requires a certain amount of simply going out there and chatting with people. You will get scammed, destroyed, cheated, trolled, and blown up but that is just a part of the essence of this game. -á |
De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade The East India Co.
513
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Posted - 2012.12.05 13:59:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:AndromacheDarkstar wrote:Just felt the need to point something out here, the reason you are losing drones from your drone boats is because the AI is actually acting intelligently. Its doing somthing PVP`ers would do when faced with a boat that does its DPS through drones and removing the threat. This provides a challenge, if you dont like challenging gameplay then eve is not for you and you are welcome to leave, the door is over there.
I never thought a Malestrom or Vargur did their DPS through drones. That has clearly to be the reason why the intelligently acting AI shoots some Warriors I, while 8 x 800mm autocannons farm them like a meatgrinder.
Drone tanking? Bumping, leave it alone. |
cBOLTSON
Star Frontiers THORN Alliance
94
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Posted - 2012.12.05 13:59:00 -
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Humm Im on the fence with this issue. Its great that AI is stronger now and yes they should shoot drones, but lets be honest here -
The idea is that NPC AI acts somewhat more like people, it would be a rare day that a FC calls a whole fleet to primary a single drone.
I dont know, either drones are a separate true weapon system next to guns and missiles, or they are just a 'sidearm' either way more needs to be done! "Were not elitists, were just tired of fail" - The Sorn |
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
2104
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Posted - 2012.12.05 14:02:00 -
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cBOLTSON wrote:Humm Im on the fence with this issue. Its great that AI is stronger now and yes they should shoot drones, but lets be honest here -
The idea is that NPC AI acts somewhat more like people, it would be a rare day that a FC calls a whole fleet to primary a single drone.
And the day a FC calls a single drone as primary, it'll be an Acolyte. Because it begins with "A" Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade The East India Co.
513
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Posted - 2012.12.05 14:03:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:
The thread title led me to believe I would be posting in another "oh nose my drones!" thread - but what you said a thousand times! Those poor little mission runners - suddenly, their predictable little missions aren't predictable anymore. Too bad they won't listen, though, because making excuses for their just being generally bad at EVE (hence why they run missions and don't like change) is all they're really good at.
So them liking a different style of play than you makes them bad at Eve? Conceited much? Bumping, leave it alone. |
De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade The East India Co.
513
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Posted - 2012.12.05 14:04:00 -
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JC Anderson wrote:Kitty Bear wrote:[the only place where there is zero risk in eve is INSIDE a station but that doesn't make nulsec sound as badass, so therefore nulsec dwellers declared that nulsec risk is riskier risk because it's riskier risk.
For some reason this reminded me of known knowns, and known unknowns, along with unknown knowns.
Let's discuss the unknown risks with this project.
Sadly, I actually had a manager say that in a meeting once. Bumping, leave it alone. |
destiny2
50
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Posted - 2012.12.05 14:32:00 -
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AndromacheDarkstar wrote:Just felt the need to point something out here, the reason you are losing drones from your drone boats is because the AI is actually acting intelligently. Its doing somthing PVP`ers would do when faced with a boat that does its DPS through drones and removing the threat. This provides a challenge, if you dont like challenging gameplay then eve is not for you and you are welcome to leave, the door is over there.
Alternatively you could think about how you play the game and maybe, just maybe try something new when running your 450th mission in a row in you drone boat you havent ever lost with the 1 set of drones you bought 3 years ago. Maybe pick up a ship with guns, get some friends in to share the reward, maybe use your drone boat for pvp.
Which brings me to the next point, drone boats are not dead, just dead to you. I still love drones in PVP. Your playing EVE ladies and gents. Man up
looseing light,heavy,med,sentry drones arent as bad as looseing some fighters lol. |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
141
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Posted - 2012.12.05 15:27:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:The thread title led me to believe I would be posting in another "oh nose my drones!" thread - but what you said a thousand times! Those poor little mission runners - suddenly, their predictable little missions aren't predictable anymore. Too bad they won't listen, though, because making excuses for their just being generally bad at EVE (hence why they run missions and don't like change) is all they're really good at.
Uh-huh. I can't wait for CCP to make NPCs start shooting down missiles. New Eden will drown in your tears. EvE Forum Bingo |
BoBoZoBo
MGroup9 Quantum Cafe
114
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Posted - 2012.12.05 16:17:00 -
[46] - Quote
The reason they are loosing drones is because they are use to autopiloting their way through EVE isk making.
Situational awareness is the problem. The desire to actually be active in something is the problem. Pay more attention to the battle-space. Problem solved.
Flying with a group helps. Primary Test Subject GÇó SmackTalker Elite |
Lord Okinaba
46
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Posted - 2012.12.05 16:50:00 -
[47] - Quote
AndromacheDarkstar wrote:Just felt the need to point something out here, the reason you are losing drones from your drone boats is because the AI is actually acting intelligently. Its doing somthing PVP`ers would do when faced with a boat that does its DPS through drones and removing the threat. This provides a challenge, if you dont like challenging gameplay then eve is not for you and you are welcome to leave, the door is over there.
Alternatively you could think about how you play the game and maybe, just maybe try something new when running your 450th mission in a row in you drone boat you havent ever lost with the 1 set of drones you bought 3 years ago. Maybe pick up a ship with guns, get some friends in to share the reward, maybe use your drone boat for pvp.
Which brings me to the next point, drone boats are not dead, just dead to you. I still love drones in PVP. Your playing EVE ladies and gents. Man up
Oh right, so why do they still go after my drones when most of my DPS is coming from my turrets?
There's nothing smart or intelligent about this new AI. Frigs have been programmed to attack drones at all cost, that's it.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. This update doesn't just effect drone boats it effects all boats which use drones of any kind, which is most of them.
Congratulation on making Drones for all boats kamikaze drones. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1939
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Posted - 2012.12.05 16:56:00 -
[48] - Quote
AndromacheDarkstar wrote:, the reason you are losing drones from your drone boats is because the AI is actually acting intelligently. Its doing somthing PVP`ers would do when faced with a boat that does its DPS through drones and removing the threat.
LOL!
I can't remember the last time an FC called my drones as primary. Come back with your theory when you actually learn to PVP.
Mr Epeen
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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
142
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Posted - 2012.12.05 16:57:00 -
[49] - Quote
BoBoZoBo wrote:The reason they are loosing drones is because they are use to autopiloting their way through EVE isk making.
You've just revealed just how much you really know about being a drone captain. Or rather how little.
BoBoZoBo wrote:Situational awareness is the problem. The desire to actually be active in something is the problem. Pay more attention to the battle-space. Problem solved.
No, problem is not solved and that is the problem. It no longer matters if you're paying attention or not. Drones are drawing aggro from 12+ ships at once and getting insta-killed in one salvo. Drone Durability 4, Battlecruisers 5, using Navy Drones in a Myrmidon and watching Navy Drones die in one second flat tells me that this crap is crap.
BoBoZoBo wrote:Flying with a group helps.
Yes, now you can use your drones as aggro-fodder for your buddies while they rack up kills. I'd rather just fly a logi and save myself a few million ISK per mission in replacement expenses. EvE Forum Bingo |
Alysa Taal
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.12.05 17:06:00 -
[50] - Quote
Just found that salvage drones are insta popped too, even before they salvage.
Only by frigs too.
Something tells me the npc frigs arent working right, its overkill, I heard someone say sleepers arent too high on the frigs? maybe this is the problem, the AI is new on the frigs and a little high?
Not crying yet, the problem will be found, if they say its working right (which would be hard to believe) then I will cry like my lolipop had been stolen!
:) |
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
491
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Posted - 2012.12.05 17:10:00 -
[51] - Quote
Alysa Taal wrote:Just found that salvage drones are insta popped too, even before they salvage.
Only by frigs too.
Something tells me the npc frigs arent working right, its overkill, I heard someone say sleepers arent too high on the frigs? maybe this is the problem, the AI is new on the frigs and a little high?
Not crying yet, the problem will be found, if they say its working right (which would be hard to believe) then I will cry like my lolipop had been stolen!
:)
Maybe so. I've had light drones popped almost as soon as I launched them despite the massive dps coming from my mach, the TP on the mach being active, remote reppping and dps from a second ship i was dual boxing ect ect. I could put them in fast enough.
It so irritating i've found other ways to deal with npc frigs. The same thing doesn't happen with sentries, I damn near can't get npcs to aggro sentries.
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Abyssum Invocat
Justified Chaos
44
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Posted - 2012.12.05 17:29:00 -
[52] - Quote
Katran Luftschreck wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:The thread title led me to believe I would be posting in another "oh nose my drones!" thread - but what you said a thousand times! Those poor little mission runners - suddenly, their predictable little missions aren't predictable anymore. Too bad they won't listen, though, because making excuses for their just being generally bad at EVE (hence why they run missions and don't like change) is all they're really good at. Uh-huh. I can't wait for CCP to make NPCs start shooting down missiles. New Eden will drown in your tears. They already do, it's called defender missiles. |
Lord Okinaba
47
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Posted - 2012.12.05 17:37:00 -
[53] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:
It so irritating i've found other ways to deal with npc frigs. The same thing doesn't happen with sentries, I damn near can't get npcs to aggro sentries.
I'm finding this too. They're quite happy to watch my sentries go to work, but as soon as a light drone comes out they're all over it.
It's quite amusing that people are getting kicks out of drone boats apparently being dead, when true drone boats like the Dominix are probably the least affected by this new AI.
AFKing in drone boats is just as viable than ever. Its the none dedicated drone boats with smaller bays and which rely on primarily small drones which are the most affected. |
Konrad Kane
Dirt Nap Squad
30
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Posted - 2012.12.05 18:06:00 -
[54] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:dexington wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:dexington wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:High sec PVE'ers moan about how they lose isk/hr from the AI changes, never admitting that they weren't really supposed to be able to make that much in the first place. to be fair null sec pve'ers whine just as much about the fact the hi-sec'ers are making almost as much isk as they are for significantly less risk Fixed. are you trying to say the null-sec pvp'ers are bad at pve, and this is not really a game balance problem but l2p issues? Try again.
Can you post your last lost mail while ratting, that'll help show everyone how risky Tenal is for ratters. |
Skex Relbore
Space Exploitation Inc Get Off My Lawn
196
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Posted - 2012.12.05 18:32:00 -
[55] - Quote
This was a stupid change, not that this surprises me much. The idea that rats are shooting drones to better simulate a real PVP players is idiotic, Most PVPers don't even have drones on their overview so we sure as hell aren't focusing fire on them. Generally if any attention is paid to drones in PVP at all it's by fitting smart bombs on some ships to dust them off. Further for the most part the ships that really rely on Drones for damage tend to have sufficient spares that can be launched that you just end up wasting time shooting the drones that could be better spent shooting the ship launching them.
Now I get the want to make PVE more interesting and harder to do afk/semiafk but let's get real. The only reason for PVE content (At least missions and ratting) in this game is to inject currency into the economy and provide a way for people who don't want to play the markets or manufacture stuff to make a little isk to do the stuff that actually is interesting to do.
In the end this was a solution in search of a problem.
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Xercodo
Xovoni Directorate
1516
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Posted - 2012.12.05 18:39:00 -
[56] - Quote
Skex Relbore wrote:This was a stupid change, not that this surprises me much. The idea that rats are shooting drones to better simulate a real PVP players is idiotic, Most PVPers don't even have drones on their overview so we sure as hell aren't focusing fire on them. Generally if any attention is paid to drones in PVP at all it's by fitting smart bombs on some ships to dust them off. Further for the most part the ships that really rely on Drones for damage tend to have sufficient spares that can be launched that you just end up wasting time shooting the drones that could be better spent shooting the ship launching them.
Now I get the want to make PVE more interesting and harder to do afk/semiafk but let's get real. The only reason for PVE content (At least missions and ratting) in this game is to inject currency into the economy and provide a way for people who don't want to play the markets or manufacture stuff to make a little isk to do the stuff that actually is interesting to do.
In the end this was a solution in search of a problem.
I dunno about you but if I'm flying in a frig and I'm caught into an engagement, drones are gonna be pretty damn high on my list. The Drake is a Lie |
Skex Relbore
Space Exploitation Inc Get Off My Lawn
196
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Posted - 2012.12.05 18:44:00 -
[57] - Quote
Xercodo wrote:Skex Relbore wrote:This was a stupid change, not that this surprises me much. The idea that rats are shooting drones to better simulate a real PVP players is idiotic, Most PVPers don't even have drones on their overview so we sure as hell aren't focusing fire on them. Generally if any attention is paid to drones in PVP at all it's by fitting smart bombs on some ships to dust them off. Further for the most part the ships that really rely on Drones for damage tend to have sufficient spares that can be launched that you just end up wasting time shooting the drones that could be better spent shooting the ship launching them.
Now I get the want to make PVE more interesting and harder to do afk/semiafk but let's get real. The only reason for PVE content (At least missions and ratting) in this game is to inject currency into the economy and provide a way for people who don't want to play the markets or manufacture stuff to make a little isk to do the stuff that actually is interesting to do.
In the end this was a solution in search of a problem.
I dunno about you but if I'm flying in a frig and I'm caught into an engagement, drones are gonna be pretty damn high on my list.
Well that would certainly help to explain your killboard. |
Villaseni
Gallente 16th
0
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Posted - 2012.12.05 18:54:00 -
[58] - Quote
Just use a target painter on one rat...and your drones will never be aggro'd |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
2112
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Posted - 2012.12.05 19:00:00 -
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Villaseni wrote:Just use a target painter on one rat...and your drones will never be aggro'd
Can you also give me 1 mid slot? Because I have to use 1 less hardener than any other race as is. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Xercodo
Xovoni Directorate
1517
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Posted - 2012.12.05 19:08:00 -
[60] - Quote
Skex Relbore wrote:Xercodo wrote:Skex Relbore wrote:This was a stupid change, not that this surprises me much. The idea that rats are shooting drones to better simulate a real PVP players is idiotic, Most PVPers don't even have drones on their overview so we sure as hell aren't focusing fire on them. Generally if any attention is paid to drones in PVP at all it's by fitting smart bombs on some ships to dust them off. Further for the most part the ships that really rely on Drones for damage tend to have sufficient spares that can be launched that you just end up wasting time shooting the drones that could be better spent shooting the ship launching them.
Now I get the want to make PVE more interesting and harder to do afk/semiafk but let's get real. The only reason for PVE content (At least missions and ratting) in this game is to inject currency into the economy and provide a way for people who don't want to play the markets or manufacture stuff to make a little isk to do the stuff that actually is interesting to do.
In the end this was a solution in search of a problem.
I dunno about you but if I'm flying in a frig and I'm caught into an engagement, drones are gonna be pretty damn high on my list. Well that would certainly help to explain your killboard.
You mean the KB with 90% of my losses being PVE fits or lol fits? (Still no regrets about the Burn Jita bhaalgorn xD)
That and the last several losses I had I was either caught by gang of players or there were no drones to speak of worth going for. My tactic doesn't really explain my KB at all from that standpoint. The Drake is a Lie |
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Pohbis
117
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Posted - 2012.12.05 19:09:00 -
[61] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:dexington wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:High sec PVE'ers moan about how they lose isk/hr from the AI changes, never admitting that they weren't really supposed to be able to make that much in the first place. to be fair null sec pve'ers whine just as much about the fact the hi-sec'ers are making almost as much isk as they are for significantly less risk Fixed. Oh yes, ratting in those blue desolate systems is quite a risk.
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Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
187
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Posted - 2012.12.05 19:16:00 -
[62] - Quote
Louis deGuerre wrote:Op's argument might not be stupid if the AI shot of the guns turrets and missile launchers of other ships.
They would if it were possible. |
Skex Relbore
Space Exploitation Inc Get Off My Lawn
201
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Posted - 2012.12.05 20:49:00 -
[63] - Quote
Xercodo wrote:Skex Relbore wrote:
Well that would certainly help to explain your killboard.
You mean the KB with 90% of my losses being PVE fits or lol fits? (Still no regrets about the Burn Jita bhaalgorn xD) That and the last several losses I had I was either caught by gang of players or there were no drones to speak of worth going for. My tactic doesn't really explain my KB at all from that standpoint.
Like I said helps to explain, the rest is becoming obvious from your attempts to defend yourself.
Hint once you start having to rationalize your sorry stats you've already lost.
Here's a clue for you. on most ships drones are supplemental damage meaning that even if you kill that drone the ship will still be shooting at you. for those ships that drones are the primary form of damage if you destroy one they will simply launch another. So while you are screwing about trying to kill their drone they're busy reducing your ship to wreckage. On the other hand if you kill the ship the drones belong to they will stop shooting you and you can scoop them into your cargo hold and sell them with the rest of the loot. |
BoBoZoBo
MGroup9 Quantum Cafe
116
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Posted - 2012.12.05 21:26:00 -
[64] - Quote
Katran Luftschreck wrote:BoBoZoBo wrote:The reason they are loosing drones is because they are use to autopiloting their way through EVE isk making. You've just revealed just how much you really know about being a drone captain. Or rather how little. BoBoZoBo wrote:Situational awareness is the problem. The desire to actually be active in something is the problem. Pay more attention to the battle-space. Problem solved. No, problem is not solved and that is the problem. It no longer matters if you're paying attention or not. Drones are drawing aggro from 12+ ships at once and getting insta-killed in one salvo. Drone Durability 4, Battlecruisers 5, using Navy Drones in a Myrmidon and watching Navy Drones die in one second flat tells me that this crap is crap. BoBoZoBo wrote:Flying with a group helps. Yes, now you can use your drones as aggro-fodder for your buddies while they rack up kills. I'd rather just fly a logi and save myself a few million ISK per mission in replacement expenses.
Right - I don't know what I'm talking about - But then again, I am not the one bitching about loosing drones. Drone skills are all maxed out - so are my tactics and awareness.
Try again. Primary Test Subject GÇó SmackTalker Elite |
BoBoZoBo
MGroup9 Quantum Cafe
116
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Posted - 2012.12.05 21:35:00 -
[65] - Quote
dexington wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:High sec PVE'ers moan about how they lose isk/hr from the AI changes, never admitting that they weren't really supposed to be able to make that much in the first place. to be fair null sec pvp'ers whine just as much about the fact the hi-sec'ers are making any isk at all.
HA Primary Test Subject GÇó SmackTalker Elite |
Ave Kathrina
My Ass Is On Fire
7
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Posted - 2012.12.05 21:53:00 -
[66] - Quote
I, like many a pilot before me, switched to gunnery a year ago. Happily this leaves me with almost perfect drones skills to suppliment my gunnery.
It sure has made Level 4 missions a whole bunch more (difficult, interesting, less lucrative possibly) but I rarley run many these days anyway.
Like most of CCP's initatives, players will soon figure out ways to misuse or work around the new aggro mechanics... because CCP isint as clever as they think they are.
The changes to L4 aggro also makes me think that the mission bears might be less keen of flying blingy faction ships for fear of getting popped. |
AndromacheDarkstar
Fiscal Fisting Inc. Imperial Protectorate
254
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Posted - 2012.12.06 00:02:00 -
[67] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:AndromacheDarkstar wrote:, the reason you are losing drones from your drone boats is because the AI is actually acting intelligently. Its doing somthing PVP`ers would do when faced with a boat that does its DPS through drones and removing the threat.
LOL! I can't remember the last time an FC called my drones as primary. Come back with your theory when you actually learn to PVP. Mr Epeen
im not talking about fleet work, but in solo and smal gang fights pilots will remove drones from the field when fighting known drones boats, this effectively reduces most of their DPS allowing you to win the fight. Big fleet battles are not the be al and end all of PVP. Fiscal Fisting Inc.-áAmarr Militia Corp Recruiting EU TZ PVP pilots now Also Looking for EU PVP corps to join-áa growing-áAmarr-áFW-áalliance
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AndromacheDarkstar
Fiscal Fisting Inc. Imperial Protectorate
254
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Posted - 2012.12.06 00:04:00 -
[68] - Quote
Dorian Wylde wrote:Louis deGuerre wrote:Op's argument might not be stupid if the AI shot of the guns turrets and missile launchers of other ships.
They would if it were possible.
Thanks for being one of the only people to actually have any common sense. they cannot in the mechanics shoot your guns, they can remove your drones. it makes sense that they will remove your drones. Fiscal Fisting Inc.-áAmarr Militia Corp Recruiting EU TZ PVP pilots now Also Looking for EU PVP corps to join-áa growing-áAmarr-áFW-áalliance
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AndromacheDarkstar
Fiscal Fisting Inc. Imperial Protectorate
254
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Posted - 2012.12.06 00:07:00 -
[69] - Quote
Skex Relbore wrote:Xercodo wrote:Skex Relbore wrote:
Well that would certainly help to explain your killboard.
You mean the KB with 90% of my losses being PVE fits or lol fits? (Still no regrets about the Burn Jita bhaalgorn xD) That and the last several losses I had I was either caught by gang of players or there were no drones to speak of worth going for. My tactic doesn't really explain my KB at all from that standpoint. Like I said helps to explain, the rest is becoming obvious from your attempts to defend yourself. Hint once you start having to rationalize your sorry stats you've already lost. Here's a clue for you. on most ships drones are supplemental damage meaning that even if you kill that drone the ship will still be shooting at you. for those ships that drones are the primary form of damage if you destroy one they will simply launch another. So while you are screwing about trying to kill their drone they're busy reducing your ship to wreckage. On the other hand if you kill the ship the drones belong to they will stop shooting you and you can scoop them into your cargo hold and sell them with the rest of the loot.
Im sorry but that dosent apply for all situations at all, ECM drones and larger drones i will actively remove from solo fights because i want an advantage, hell even smal drones pop easy enough and not all ships carry multiple flights. Sometimes it makes sense to remove all their offense if you can. Fiscal Fisting Inc.-áAmarr Militia Corp Recruiting EU TZ PVP pilots now Also Looking for EU PVP corps to join-áa growing-áAmarr-áFW-áalliance
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Akiyo Mayaki
Industrial Justice Corporation
17
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Posted - 2012.12.06 00:10:00 -
[70] - Quote
Ave Kathrina wrote:I, like many a pilot before me, switched to gunnery a year ago. Happily this leaves me with almost perfect drones skills to suppliment my gunnery.
It sure has made Level 4 missions a whole bunch more (difficult, interesting, less lucrative possibly) but I rarley run many these days anyway.
Like most of CCP's initatives, players will soon figure out ways to misuse or work around the new aggro mechanics... because CCP isint as clever as they think they are.
The changes to L4 aggro also makes me think that the mission bears might be less keen of flying blingy faction ships for fear of getting popped.
Hahaha
You could go for being my grandma. (Picture) |
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Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
331
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Posted - 2012.12.06 00:13:00 -
[71] - Quote
OP is flat wrong.
One exception being fighter bombers. |
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
146
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Posted - 2012.12.06 00:30:00 -
[72] - Quote
I repeat, anyone who thinks paying customers should leave a game they play should volunteer to be the first. |
Remiel Pollard
Devlin Security Devlin Alliance
257
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Posted - 2012.12.06 03:17:00 -
[73] - Quote
Rengerel en Distel wrote:You should probably go tell that guy from goonswarm how bad he is at the game for losing 400+ garde IIs in his carrier ratting. Obviously his carrier should switch to his other weapons, right?
But please, continue to tell people that play the game differently than you, that they're doing it wrong.
If he was flying solo, then that was his mistake - Goons have never been good at solo (with a few exceptional exceptions), and they know it and freely admit that their strength is in the blob (which, considering the nature of the game, I don't understand why anyone would have a problem with it). You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
baltec1
Bat Country
3051
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Posted - 2012.12.06 03:26:00 -
[74] - Quote
Over the past year high sec bears have shown an astonishing lack of adaptability. |
Sekket
Dissident Aggressors Mordus Angels
35
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Posted - 2012.12.06 04:09:00 -
[75] - Quote
Said it before and I'll say it again:
1. Make drones cheaper. Less mins to construct and/or more per batch. 2. Expand drone bays on all ships so every ship can hold a few replacements.
By the way, since all the performance enhancements has there been any discussion on raising the 5 drone cap? - CQ isn't a refuge, it's a cage.
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Mohadeeb
GALAXIAN
1
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Posted - 2012.12.06 06:07:00 -
[76] - Quote
Awesome rat AI got a boost.
Did they remove remote reppers as well or is everyone just upset they can't set and forget their drones. take a concrete pill harden up and adapt.
Every weapon type has been nerfed over the years vs rats. Drones had theirs comming.
On a positive atleast drones can be used as cannon fodder and absorb some damage for all of you fail tankers :)
BTW Rats do shoot down missiles the little explosion you see when you fire a volley is a defender missile being launched from the rat. Personally I find turrets a better option.
Ignore the tears for a while noobs will adapt and everything will continue as intended in the world of EVE :)
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1842
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Posted - 2012.12.06 08:28:00 -
[77] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Over the past year high sec bears have shown an astonishing lack of adaptability. I don't really think it's ~that~ astonishing. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Beiny Lemmont
Boot Camp. CZECH Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.12.06 09:03:00 -
[78] - Quote
AndromacheDarkstar wrote:Just felt the need to point something out here, the reason you are losing drones from your drone boats is because the AI is actually acting intelligently. Its doing somthing PVP`ers would do when faced with a boat that does its DPS through drones and removing the threat. This provides a challenge, if you dont like challenging gameplay then eve is not for you and you are welcome to leave, the door is over there.
Alternatively you could think about how you play the game and maybe, just maybe try something new when running your 450th mission in a row in you drone boat you havent ever lost with the 1 set of drones you bought 3 years ago. Maybe pick up a ship with guns, get some friends in to share the reward, maybe use your drone boat for pvp.
Which brings me to the next point, drone boats are not dead, just dead to you. I still love drones in PVP. Your playing EVE ladies and gents. Man up
this is great blabla. Look .. all eve, all missions are designed for (also) using drones. Now actualy we dont have any drones and you realy thing I will sell all my ships because they are unusable and start to skilling another much worse ships for next 6 months to run the same missions ? So why I was skilling that ships and spended a lot of time when now Im not able finish mission by ship designed exactly for this ....
Its easy to crap up some script and say this is best AI we made for you
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Shylari Avada
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
132
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Posted - 2012.12.06 11:39:00 -
[79] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:baltec1 wrote:Over the past year high sec bears have shown an astonishing lack of adaptability. I don't really think it's ~that~ astonishing.
More than marginal. |
baltec1
Bat Country
3063
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Posted - 2012.12.06 11:41:00 -
[80] - Quote
Beiny Lemmont wrote:
this is great blabla. Look .. all eve, all missions are designed for (also) using drones. Now actualy we dont have any drones and you realy think I will sell all my ships because they are unusable and start to skilling another much worse ships for next 6 months to run the same missions ? So why I was skilling that ships and spended a lot of time when now Im not able finish mission by ship designed exactly for this ....
Its easy to crap up some script and say this is best AI we made for you
This is the exact sort of person I was talking about. |
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Villaseni
Gallente 16th
2
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Posted - 2012.12.06 11:43:00 -
[81] - Quote
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Villaseni wrote:Just use a target painter on one rat...and your drones will never be aggro'd Can you also give me 1 mid slot? Because I have to use 1 less hardener than any other race as is.
Use a dominix. |
AndromacheDarkstar
Fiscal Fisting Inc. Imperial Protectorate
255
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Posted - 2012.12.06 11:55:00 -
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Beiny Lemmont wrote:AndromacheDarkstar wrote:Just felt the need to point something out here, the reason you are losing drones from your drone boats is because the AI is actually acting intelligently. Its doing somthing PVP`ers would do when faced with a boat that does its DPS through drones and removing the threat. This provides a challenge, if you dont like challenging gameplay then eve is not for you and you are welcome to leave, the door is over there.
Alternatively you could think about how you play the game and maybe, just maybe try something new when running your 450th mission in a row in you drone boat you havent ever lost with the 1 set of drones you bought 3 years ago. Maybe pick up a ship with guns, get some friends in to share the reward, maybe use your drone boat for pvp.
Which brings me to the next point, drone boats are not dead, just dead to you. I still love drones in PVP. Your playing EVE ladies and gents. Man up this is great blabla. Look .. all eve, all missions are designed for (also) using drones. Now actualy we dont have any drones and you realy think I will sell all my ships because they are unusable and start to skilling another much worse ships for next 6 months to run the same missions ? So why I was skilling that ships and spended a lot of time when now Im not able finish mission by ship designed exactly for this .... Its easy to crap up some script and say this is best AI we made for you
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
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Posted - 2012.12.06 12:02:00 -
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Beiny Lemmont wrote:AndromacheDarkstar wrote:Just felt the need to point something out here, the reason you are losing drones from your drone boats is because the AI is actually acting intelligently. Its doing somthing PVP`ers would do when faced with a boat that does its DPS through drones and removing the threat. This provides a challenge, if you dont like challenging gameplay then eve is not for you and you are welcome to leave, the door is over there.
Alternatively you could think about how you play the game and maybe, just maybe try something new when running your 450th mission in a row in you drone boat you havent ever lost with the 1 set of drones you bought 3 years ago. Maybe pick up a ship with guns, get some friends in to share the reward, maybe use your drone boat for pvp.
Which brings me to the next point, drone boats are not dead, just dead to you. I still love drones in PVP. Your playing EVE ladies and gents. Man up this is great blabla. Look .. all eve, all missions are designed for (also) using drones. Now actualy we dont have any drones and you realy think I will sell all my ships because they are unusable and start to skilling another much worse ships for next 6 months to run the same missions ? So why I was skilling that ships and spended a lot of time when now Im not able finish mission by ship designed exactly for this .... Its easy to crap up some script and say this is best AI we made for you
have some cheese. Adapt. I too would love to use the same hurricane fit like before...but that is not possible anymore. Instead I will probably switch back to a myrmidon and do pvp with it (yes, in low sec and on a gate) and I will freaking love it.
"Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
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Diabhal Dunmharu
House of Pain LLC. Insane Asylum
0
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Posted - 2013.01.10 19:51:00 -
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Bing Khagah wrote:AndromacheDarkstar wrote:This provides a challenge, if you dont like challenging I concur. Deploying drones and then recalling them for each group, spawn, pocket before deploying them again is exceedingly challenging.
I really don't think fitting a ship with any other weapon type is any more challenging. Every other type gets to just shoot and tank. Drones on the other hand, have to worry about losing their weapons. |
Solstice Project
Join me if you hate people
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Posted - 2013.01.10 19:54:00 -
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Diabhal Dunmharu wrote:Bing Khagah wrote:AndromacheDarkstar wrote:This provides a challenge, if you dont like challenging I concur. Deploying drones and then recalling them for each group, spawn, pocket before deploying them again is exceedingly challenging. I really don't think fitting a ship with any other weapon type is any more challenging. Every other type gets to just shoot and tank. Drones on the other hand, have to worry about losing their weapons. Does that already count as necro'ing ? Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3325
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Posted - 2013.01.10 19:58:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Diabhal Dunmharu wrote:Bing Khagah wrote:AndromacheDarkstar wrote:This provides a challenge, if you dont like challenging I concur. Deploying drones and then recalling them for each group, spawn, pocket before deploying them again is exceedingly challenging. I really don't think fitting a ship with any other weapon type is any more challenging. Every other type gets to just shoot and tank. Drones on the other hand, have to worry about losing their weapons. Does that already count as necro'ing ? Yep, it exceeded the one month after hitting the floor rule. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Cannibal Kane
Chosen of New Eden
1211
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Posted - 2013.01.10 20:21:00 -
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It's Alive...
Since this thread has been bumped I just realized that NPC AI has become smarter than most my targets... since they don't shoot my drones. "I saw him fight by the monument in Jita. -áHe flowed in his Machariel like a Shinto spirit, 800MM shells sprouting in his passing. -áHis hair flowed in the corona of his target's warp core breach. -áIt was truly majestic. -áAnd while everyone stared in awe I stole the loot and ran off.-áBecause I am like that." --áNEONOVUS |
Solstice Project
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Posted - 2013.01.10 20:42:00 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote:It's Alive...
Since this thread has been bumped I just realized that NPC AI has become smarter than most my targets... since they don't shoot my drones. *lol*
Although ... it's not really hard to be smarter than most people around here ... Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
357
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Posted - 2013.01.10 20:48:00 -
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And yet another CCP sponsored flame warrior lives on to fight another day. R.I.P. Vile Rat |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
2370
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Posted - 2013.01.10 20:51:00 -
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AndromacheDarkstar wrote:Just felt the need to point something out here, the reason you are losing drones from your drone boats is because the AI is actually acting intelligently. Its doing somthing PVP`ers would do when faced with a boat that does its DPS through drones and removing the threat. This provides a challenge, if you dont like challenging gameplay then eve is not for you and you are welcome to leave, the door is over there.
Alternatively you could think about how you play the game and maybe, just maybe try something new when running your 450th mission in a row in you drone boat you havent ever lost with the 1 set of drones you bought 3 years ago. Maybe pick up a ship with guns, get some friends in to share the reward, maybe use your drone boat for pvp.
Which brings me to the next point, drone boats are not dead, just dead to you. I still love drones in PVP. Your playing EVE ladies and gents. Man up
I have avoided the issue for the most part because frankly I haven't noticed anything changing. My drones always did enough damage to get the NPCs' attention and so "drone fu" is nothing new to me.
Now, I want everybody to stop complaining about it or else I'll show you my Scorpion fitted to be a drone boat and then you'll be sorry you were ever born to see that.
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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
715
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Posted - 2013.01.10 21:28:00 -
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CCP Navigator wrote:I fixed your title since you clearly need a Tengu
FTFY
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Thutmose I
Paxton Industries Gentlemen's Agreement
5
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Posted - 2013.01.10 21:36:00 -
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Am I the only one who finds the new AI considerably easier to kill with drones? from what I can tell, they are now much more likely to primary my ship rather than the sentries, so PVE consists of warp in, launch drones, wait for rats to die (occasionally recall the one drone that gets agro, send out the spare), rather than before consisting of warp in, get agro, launch drones, recall drones before every new spawn, etc. |
Diabhal Dunmharu
House of Pain LLC. Insane Asylum
0
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Posted - 2013.01.10 22:02:00 -
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Louis deGuerre wrote:Op's argument might not be stupid if the AI shot of the guns turrets and missile launchers of other ships.
This is a true statement. If other weapon systems were shot down, everyone would freak out. All other races can just tank and shoot without that to worry about. This is something that needs to be adressed or all drone boat users should just quit the game because that is way to much training time to get the shaft like this. I could train for 22 days for missiles that don't have to worry about all the ecm stuff or train like 68 days for all my drone skills who get killed while running missions and complete them like 70% slower while recalling my drones 50 times a mission. |
King Rothgar
CONTRATTO IMPERIAL LEGI0N
348
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Posted - 2013.01.10 22:29:00 -
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Ran my first few missions since the changes last night, lvl5's in an archon. I lost 3 hobgoblins, 1 ogre II, and spent 4M isk repairing structure damage on fighters and lesser drones. Yes I have a capital RR fitted. Seems I might need to toss in a capital remote structure rep and a few sebo's as well. The amount of drone hate is more than a little annoying. It's far worse in a lvl5 than fighting sleepers. Can't comment on lesser pve activities.
In regards to pvp, no one targets drones other than fighter bombers. They might smart bomb them, but they never actually shoot the things. Not if they have any sense anyways. The Troll is trolling. |
Eli Green
The Arrow Project
407
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Posted - 2013.01.10 22:30:00 -
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King Rothgar wrote:Ran my first few missions since the changes last night, lvl5's in an archon. I lost 3 hobgoblins, 1 ogre II, and spent 4M isk repairing structure damage on fighters and lesser drones. Yes I have a capital RR fitted. Seems I might need to toss in a capital remote structure rep and a few sebo's as well. The amount of drone hate is more than a little annoying. It's far worse in a lvl5 than fighting sleepers. Can't comment on lesser pve activities.
In regards to pvp, no one targets drones other than fighter bombers. They might smart bomb them, but they never actually shoot the things. Not if they have any sense anyways.
Ever consider that maybe L5s weren't meant to be solo'd? wumbo |
SegaPhoenix
BREAKING-POINT Primal Force
111
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Posted - 2013.01.10 22:45:00 -
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AndromacheDarkstar wrote: Just felt the need to point something out here, the reason you are losing drones from your drone boats is because the AI is actually acting intelligently. Its doing somthing PVP`ers would do when faced with a boat that does its DPS through drones and removing the threat.
... Exactly. Now drones are such a PITA that I can't be bothered. Cross-training missiles FTW!
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Captain Tardbar
State Protectorate Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2013.01.10 22:59:00 -
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Bing Khagah wrote:AndromacheDarkstar wrote:This provides a challenge, if you dont like challenging I concur. Deploying drones and then recalling them for each group, spawn, pocket before deploying them again is exceedingly challenging.
Having to right click to access an attack menu is pretty annoying tho.
Especially in the year 2013. |
Rain6639
Team Evil
73
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Posted - 2013.01.10 23:21:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:Bing Khagah wrote:AndromacheDarkstar wrote:This provides a challenge, if you dont like challenging I concur. Deploying drones and then recalling them for each group, spawn, pocket before deploying them again is exceedingly challenging. Having to right click to access an attack menu is pretty annoying tho. Especially in the year 2013.
YOU DON'T EVEN...
wait, what are we mad about, again? if you need me, I'll be on youtube watching russian car accident videos |
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