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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.11.30 01:16:00 -
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I've removed some off topic posts. Please keep the discussion on topic and civil. Thank you. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2774
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Posted - 2012.11.30 01:27:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:A thread came up a few weeks ago where the OP accused CCP of creating isk, buying PLEX off the market & then trashing them (Ironically, it was made just a few hours after Andski's post about what he would do with 1 trillion isk). This thread is basically the same thing & will probably be locked for the same thing. In fact, this is probably the same poster. Most likely, since it is blatantly accusing CCP of scamming the player base and presents no proof what so ever.
It also completely ignores the fact that when PLEX prices rise, demand for them actually drops from those that wish to purchase them to pay for their accounts. When demand from the end customer base drops, the numbers purchased by the people wishing to sell them for ISK drops. CCPs does not make more money by PLEX being more expensive on the market, they make more money when they sell more of them due to high demand from the end consumer.
As a ploy to get people to stop buying PLEX so that your price will drop this thread is pretty obvious.
2/10 To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1804
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Posted - 2012.11.30 01:35:00 -
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Gibbo3771 wrote:The real reason plex prices rise is because of goons ofc, when CCP logs a big plex purchase, they monitor the account to see if it gets moved, then goons gank it. Mm, Ibis of plex Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Nex apparatu5
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
397
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Posted - 2012.11.30 02:07:00 -
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Here's a question. Why would CCP risk the future of their entire company buying and trashing plex? As far as I can tell, they're not exactly strapped for cash and don't have any shareholders breathing down their neck. And make no mistake, if they were doing this and a disgruntled employee decided to release proof, it would end CCP. |
Jeremy Soikutsu
Homeworld Republic Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2012.11.30 02:24:00 -
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-1, for not including the word sheeple. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1804
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Posted - 2012.11.30 02:25:00 -
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Nex apparatu5 wrote:Here's a question. Why would CCP risk the future of their entire company buying and trashing plex? As far as I can tell, they're not exactly strapped for cash and don't have any shareholders breathing down their neck. And make no mistake, if they were doing this and a disgruntled employee decided to release proof, it would end CCP. It's the goons' ultimate trump card. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Tarn Kugisa
Infinite Covenant Tribal Band
169
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Posted - 2012.11.30 03:14:00 -
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OP needs a tl;dr I Endorse this Product and/or Service Source Recorder-esque tool for EVE |
Remiel Pollard
Devlin Security Devlin Alliance
155
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Posted - 2012.11.30 03:20:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Ive re-read the op a few times and still havent found any proof.
I've read the OP a few times and I'm still trying to make sense of the point he's trying to make.... what is so hard about English? You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Opertone
Aurora Empire Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels
192
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Posted - 2012.11.30 04:46:00 -
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your formulation does not sound ok!
CCP can not overprice the plex, because if they did (set price higher than possible), fewer people would buy it, on a regular basis, so there is no such artificial price control as you stated.
This is completely player driven demand, if people buy at higher price and tend to buy more than there is readily available - it only means that people are full of excessive ISK and want to invest into some hard value like plex, which supposedly never goes bad or deppriciates, unlike PIXELs, plex is a commodity, a promise of CCP to activate your account and provide real world services.
More importantly, as sellers discover the upper limit of the pricing, they always are willing to try and get more out of it. As long as customers with a lot of ISK exist, and they keep buying it, sellers will try and charge more every time (simply because of profit motive).
Finally, realize that ISK gotten from Plex is gonna be blown on the market right away, that ISK was idle in buyers account (he saved enough cash to buy plexes), now the ISK is passed on and used for transactions on the market. Which actually stimulates more activity and along that ship/module price increase, thus inflation spins faster, market traders get ISKs and can go and buy more plexes.
I demonstrated how PLEXes only stimulate inflation. Cause of inflation is overabundance of ISK in entire game. Reason why it doesn't crash - people sit on ISK, turning it into treasure, taking it out of market circulation and economy. On a final note, human psychology always turns to greed and wish to stockpile power and influence along with money and basic stuff. |
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
139
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Posted - 2012.11.30 05:07:00 -
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I heard Vincent Tchenguiz was hired as CFO of CCP.
True story, no reason to check the facts. |
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
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Posted - 2012.11.30 05:12:00 -
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Demolishar wrote:It's often said that anyone who pays with PLEX is a fool, as you can easily make the money quicker in real life.
That is assuming you are bad at making ISK in EVE. Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
1806
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Posted - 2012.11.30 05:36:00 -
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I gave up buying plex when it reached 380 mil a pop.... Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk! |
Opertone
Aurora Empire Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels
192
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Posted - 2012.11.30 05:46:00 -
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simple explanation
ISK is more available than USD (including all pooled isk, that stays in game)
if ISK was harder to get than USD, you would see decline in plex price, 200 mill a plex, 100 mill a plex |
Beekeeper Bob
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
304
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Posted - 2012.11.30 06:39:00 -
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More people that are unwilling to pay for the game are paying with plex, less people want to buy plex to finance their game-play. Seems unlikely it's anything more than supply vs demand. Plex have been rising for years, plex are tied to game time codes, and those prices have been rising for years. In 2007 you could buy a 90 day timecode for 420 mil. That works out to 140 mil for a plex value. Inflation has been with Eve for quite awhile, don't expect it to go away soon. Perhaps that is exactly what CCP had in mind everytime they created a new isk fountain?
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Aurelius Valentius
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
205
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Posted - 2012.11.30 07:02:00 -
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I have an interesting and actually good spin on you theory... that CCP might indeed do this, but not for the purpose of greed, but of a clandestine agenda to reset EVE's levels of wealth and materialism into a balanced form from the previous out of control situation(s) that have happened in the past.
There are for the long playing or following some events that lead to vast increases in wealth and materialism in the game by certain parties using exploits (Goons and others, not going to list them all but they are significant and not so rare)... and these left a what was supposed to be a economy of labor and T1 standard stuff in tatters... proliferation of everything shiny was to be had by all.. it lead to a massive boom in all things and good times for all... see history.
But...
I don't think this was ever entended by CCP as the way the economy or the game should be played, or was engineered to be played... it got too shiny to often, and left a massive number of things and ships considered "****, crap, etc." but the base and never used...
Now consider this, what is going on with ship balancing - well balance, and T1 items, it's a plan to put T1 viable again, and I think that is just part of a bigger op. The over all is a universal rebalancing, put the wealth and the market back to squares with the tech and the user base.
Lets consider that if this is the case, it's not the players that lose out, but they win with a more stable and more economical economy and more fun... where a super-shiny 1%er verse is like what happened to Blizzard's D2... it just went to crap... I think CCP is doing the right thing, and also alot of un-seen things to rebalance and retool new Eden to make it viable... so I for one am fine with my one account and while PLEX doubled, my mining ops are doing much better and I am actually able to PLEX doing less time in game than I was prior ot inferno, where it was a "life", now it's a game, even with double cost per month, I can make it and then some... in fact in one month I was 1.6B and a PLEX too boot, or was it two, just from belt mining in my spare time while doing other things on the PC...
I am not much for tin-foil, and so I am going to say this is just my thought on IF your though it true on CCP doing something with PLEX... Look at all the Macks in local...impressive...very impressive...I see you have fashioned a new exhumer...much like you father's... your skills as a miner are now complete...indeed you are powerful as CCP Devs have foreseen. <- 204 people are obviously confused. |
usrevenge
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
40
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Posted - 2012.11.30 07:20:00 -
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yes, all of you, quit playing so plex prices go down to 250mil again I will make sure to let you all know when it happens. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1927
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Posted - 2012.11.30 07:22:00 -
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PLEX is high because it's RMT for dummies and a hedge bet for speculators.
The bubble will burst sooner than later.
Mr Epeen -ávOv |
Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
68
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Posted - 2012.11.30 09:30:00 -
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RAVENSOME wrote:I used to buy plexes for my account since almost a year
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Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
542
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Posted - 2012.11.30 09:41:00 -
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OP's charatcer looks as paranoid as his posts.
Well played. "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |
Zelda Wei
New Horizon Trade Exchange
186
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Posted - 2012.11.30 09:43:00 -
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The rise is entire a result of the imminent launch of DUST.
DUST Beta players are existing EvE players with ISK. Why buy PLEX for cash when you can buy them for ISK Plex spent during DUST beta will be refunded after launch.
QED. Demand with no additional supply = rising price.
After the DUST launch there will be new players without ISK needing PLEX, supply will increase and price will fall. |
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CCP Eterne
C C P C C P Alliance
690
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Posted - 2012.11.30 10:05:00 -
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I am locking this topic for being full of baseless rumor mongering. Community Representative GÇ+ EVE Illuminati GÇ+ Fiction Adept
@CCP_Eterne GÇ+ @EVE_LiveEvents |
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
615
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Posted - 2012.11.30 10:07:00 -
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"In the space on the entry form marked DO NOT WRITE, Mr. Simpson wrote "ok" " "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |
Janet Patton
Brony Express
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Posted - 2012.11.30 10:15:00 -
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Some people just don't understand The Free Market Economy. Why do I have this sig? I don't smoke. |
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