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Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
655
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Posted - 2012.11.29 19:34:00 -
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Dervinus wrote:Not sure what having Chron's disease has to do with not being able to respond in local chat or pay 10m isk.
Crohn's disease is a form of inflammatory bowel disease (IBD). It usually affects the intestines, but may occur anywhere from the mouth to the end of the rectum. Therefore it does have something to do with not being able to answer someone.
But I don't suppose you'd care.
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1168
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Posted - 2012.11.29 19:34:00 -
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Make ship collisions cause damage based on real world physics. That way I can slam an inexpensive frigate in to a freighter, releasing enough energy to rival the largest nuclear warhead, punching a hole through the freighter & destroying it!
PLEASE DO THIS CCP!
On a more serious note, why does this thread even exist if not to look for options to baby the miner community yet again? Is this a part of the plan to turn highsec in to a PvP-free zone? They have options to avoid bumping (Here's a shocker; So do freighters), so force them to adapt to it & stop giving in to their complaints all the time. Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |
87102-6
Mining Cartel high
19
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Posted - 2012.11.29 19:36:00 -
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Dervinus wrote:Not sure what having Chron's disease has to do with not being able to respond in local chat or pay 10m isk.
Then spend the time to read about what effects the disease has on the digestive and bowel system, then read this. If you skim it, then you're choosing to bury your head in the sand. |
Rodtrik
Aphex Industries
2
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Posted - 2012.11.29 19:37:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote: General Anger.
Why do you care if miners are "babied?" |
Galaxy Pig
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
185
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Posted - 2012.11.29 19:39:00 -
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Tubrug1 wrote:Minerbumping is emergent gameplay, miners already have all the counters they need but are too scared to spend their hard earned isk on ganking, wardeccing or hiring mercs.
It's true, they are entirely too attached to their ISK, and if CCP codes new rules to squash our emergent profession it will be a knife into the very heart of EVE. |
Dervinus
Sniggwaffe
104
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Posted - 2012.11.29 19:40:00 -
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87102-6 wrote:Dervinus wrote:Not sure what having Chron's disease has to do with not being able to respond in local chat or pay 10m isk. Then spend the time to read about what effects the disease has on the digestive and bowel system, then read this. If you skim it, then you're choosing to bury your head in the sand.
I know all about the disease and know people who have it. I am empathetic as to the physical and mental hardships that people with this and similar conditions have to deal with. I still don't seem to realize why this would preclude you from paying 10m isk for a mining permit. o7 toonies |
Llort
jawa shipyards
2
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Posted - 2012.11.29 19:41:00 -
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[quote=87102-6]For folks not quite familiar bla, bla,bla
- Short durations of time do not give non-English-speaking players proper amount of time to respond (in any language), which could be construed as harassment. This also makes the assumption they can read/understand English to begin with. EVE is officially supported in English, Russian, German, and Japanese.
bla, bla, bla
* Recipient does not understand/cannot read English
bla, bla, bla
** Multiple NOA (in some cases, 10+) bombarding player in Local chat with demands or insults/insinuations (if pressured)
- With regards to language barrier, there is already evidence of this causing problems. I've cut this out of my explanation because it's quite long but can provide it in another post.
I did skip some of it for the sake of oversight and I will answer these accusations. I have explained this in several languages, like german, french and dutch. I have seen it explained in russian as well. So that is simply not true.
As for insults, I have seen bumpers receive all kinds of insults and their attitude is almost saintlike. Obviously there will be the odd quid pro quo but I have learned some - and I stress some - miners as the most rude and obsessed persons in 10 years of mmo's.
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Capt Lynch
The Scope Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.11.29 19:43:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Dervinus wrote:Not sure what having Chron's disease has to do with not being able to respond in local chat or pay 10m isk. Crohn's disease is a form of inflammatory bowel disease (IBD). It usually affects the intestines, but may occur anywhere from the mouth to the end of the rectum. Therefore it does have something to do with not being able to answer someone. But I don't suppose you'd care.
Agreeing with Anslo...I have Diabetes and was told that I should ask permission before seeing to Diabetic Hypo's, which can KILL if left unattended.
Also...I have been repeatedly harassed with various Local comments (which have been recently petitioned after a comment from Falcon made me aware that verbal harassment is bannable) and harassment via James blog.
Its getting to the point there I cannot play the game without some agent crashing my game and insulting me, ranging from small insults to implying my parents and uncle **** me. |
87102-6
Mining Cartel high
19
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Posted - 2012.11.29 19:43:00 -
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Kayla Miromme wrote:This thread seems to be changing from a discussion on bumping to a discussion on The New Order of HIghsec, which I doubt is what was intended.
I understand your point here (and this is one of the reasons I wish CCP Falcon had not locked the Assembly Hall thread I started -- players in this thread no longer have context of what I originally attempted to get a CSM involved with). You can read what prompted a debate at first but quickly -- and sadly -- diminished into insults and personal attacks (very similar to what happens in Local, actually). So for some context, here ya go.
Otherwise I am in agreement with you on your other points (re: please do not change game mechanics). I just wanted to provide you some history that lead up to the creation of this topic. |
Capt Lynch
The Scope Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.11.29 19:46:00 -
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While I think James claim that it is to get rid of bot miners is admirable, he does not do that...his blog itself in many articles confirms itd all about the grief...and always was.
At the moment it is surely overbalanced in favour of the bumpers. Miners have no way to properly retaliate and such a way needs to be added...be it a module or that bumping is classified as a 'suspect' flag.
And while I have met agents who are respectful and kind...many are jerks...one who seem to take morbid pleasure in verbal abuse. |
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1170
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Posted - 2012.11.29 19:47:00 -
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Rodtrik wrote: Why do you care if miners are "babied?"
Would you feel the same if it had been the other way around for 8 years? Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |
Dervinus
Sniggwaffe
106
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Posted - 2012.11.29 19:47:00 -
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Capt Lynch wrote:Anslo wrote:Dervinus wrote:Not sure what having Chron's disease has to do with not being able to respond in local chat or pay 10m isk. Crohn's disease is a form of inflammatory bowel disease (IBD). It usually affects the intestines, but may occur anywhere from the mouth to the end of the rectum. Therefore it does have something to do with not being able to answer someone. But I don't suppose you'd care. Agreeing with Anslo...I have Diabetes and was told that I should ask permission before seeing to Diabetic Hypo's, which can KILL if left unattended. Also...I have been repeatedly harassed with various Local comments (which have been recently petitioned after a comment from Falcon made me aware that verbal harassment is bannable) and harassment via James blog. Its getting to the point there I cannot play the game without some agent crashing my game and insulting me, ranging from small insults to implying my parents and uncle **** me.
Capt lets be realistic. I don't think anyone wants to harm you in real life by preventing you from getting up from the computer to manage your diabetes. On the contrary, a healthy miner is a productive miner. I think the core issue here is that when you get up from the computer, you should dock up like a responsible citizen so that you are not engaging in bot-mimicking behaviour by AFK mining. o7 toonies |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1170
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Posted - 2012.11.29 19:47:00 -
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Capt Lynch wrote:While I think James claim that it is to get rid of bot miners is admirable, he does not do that...his blog itself in many articles confirms itd all about the grief...and always was.
It's about emergent game play. Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |
Ahvram
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.11.29 19:49:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:In addition to my previous post if you remove ways of affecting highsec players without adding others you make the game itself less interesting. Look at the forum threads and the two opposing websites, something as simple as bumping has spawned as examples of this. Without this simple mechanic, bumping, none of that would have happened and highsec would be that much more dull. Ask yourself this CCP, "do I really want to remove a key tool in creating content for my game just to appease a minority of loud whiners?"
I read "Dont take away our easy completely no risk way of exploiting High sec players as we lack the ability to do so in a legitimate way"
Thats the real issue here and no other. So many long winded aurguments when this is the only real reason. |
MTB BR
Mining Cartel high
2
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Posted - 2012.11.29 19:49:00 -
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Kayla Miromme wrote:This thread seems to be changing from a discussion on bumping to a discussion on The New Order of HIghsec, which I doubt is what was intended.
I am a miner. When it comes to the actual mechanic of bumping, I see no reason to change it. The system works fine as it is, and I disagree with anyone who whines or complains about needing an anchor mod or some other gameplay change.
Im sure its working for you. you the one that suport then.
"Proud supporter of James 315 and the New Order of Hisec. www.minerbumping.com"
your this is not your Bio?? |
Capt Lynch
The Scope Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.11.29 19:50:00 -
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Dervinus wrote:Capt Lynch wrote:Anslo wrote:Dervinus wrote:Not sure what having Chron's disease has to do with not being able to respond in local chat or pay 10m isk. Crohn's disease is a form of inflammatory bowel disease (IBD). It usually affects the intestines, but may occur anywhere from the mouth to the end of the rectum. Therefore it does have something to do with not being able to answer someone. But I don't suppose you'd care. Agreeing with Anslo...I have Diabetes and was told that I should ask permission before seeing to Diabetic Hypo's, which can KILL if left unattended. Also...I have been repeatedly harassed with various Local comments (which have been recently petitioned after a comment from Falcon made me aware that verbal harassment is bannable) and harassment via James blog. Its getting to the point there I cannot play the game without some agent crashing my game and insulting me, ranging from small insults to implying my parents and uncle **** me. Capt lets be realistic. I don't think anyone wants to harm you in real life by preventing you from getting up from the computer to manage your diabetes. On the contrary, a healthy miner is a productive miner. I think the core issue here is that when you get up from the computer, you should dock up like a responsible citizen so that you are not engaging in bot-mimicking behaviour by AFK mining.
James did not say that...when I spoke...he said the game must come first... admittedly he backtracked when I mentioned how Hypo coma's can result in death but the fact is he thinks the game must come before all else. |
Rodtrik
Aphex Industries
2
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Posted - 2012.11.29 19:50:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Rodtrik wrote: Why do you care if miners are "babied?"
Would you feel the same if it had been the other way around for 8 years?
No, because I would simply not care. I trade, I research, I make my isk. I do not care what you do in your nul sec space. However, this harassing game play is unacceptable. And to claim that you are sick of "miners being babied" as a justification is pitiful. |
Bing Bangboom
Ded End Damage Inc. United Sytems Against Terrorist Opperations
17
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Posted - 2012.11.29 19:51:00 -
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87102-6 wrote:For folks not quite familiar with the situation that's been going on and why I deem it harassment .
And then your whole argument with nothing that justifies changing anything. You are fairly accurate in your description of what Agents of the New Order do but your whole reason for why bumping should be banned boils down to "Ma! He's touching me!". Don't you see that it isn't about being fair or inclusive or celebrating the diversity of the Eve community? Its "pay 10,000,000 ISK or be bumped". It could NOT be clearer. We even give you a choice (10M or bump). I recommend strongly that you pay the ISK. If you disagree, GREAT! That's what is supposed to happen in Eve.
One thing that has to be corrected (again) as it seems to be at the center of many anti-NO (see, I'm nice... I used your acronym) arguments is that we say we only bump AFK miners or even only bots but bump others too. This is not the case. We bump any non-Code compliant miners. Being compliant with The Code requires a miner to purchase a 10,000,000 ISK permit (good for one year!). So, if you haven't paid, you can "fairly" be bumped by an Agent per The Code. I can truthfully say that Agents make a real effort to not bump fully Code compliant miners to the point of passing on bumping one who may have paid but still has bot-aspirant , uh, aspirations!
Bing Bangboom Agent of the New Order of Highsec Belligerent Undesirable
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Auric Megastryke
Iron Sun Explorations
0
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Posted - 2012.11.29 19:52:00 -
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First off, I AM a miner, and I have to agree that miner bumping is a valid tactic.
That said, I have to say that the bumping mechanics in Eve need a good dose of work with an eye towards the physics. Why is it that if I shoot a slug of lead at your shields they will take damage, but if I ram my interceptor into your 940,000,000 kg freighter at a couple of miles per second that we just bounce off harmlessly? Ships should take shield / armor / hull damage from ramming on some formula based on their mass and speed at impact.
Further - until the shields are down, NO alteration of speed or course should occur - that is why we have SHIELDS. They take the damage so that the kinetic energy of impact is not transferred to your armor / hull.
For the mathematically inclined - an XL lead charge, shot by a POS battery - is 0.125 m3 of lead, with a mass of 1,417 Kg (lead is 11,340 kg / m3) accelerated to huge velocity (at a minimum, it is 300Km range divided by firing time of 15s = at least 20Km/sec). Kinetic energy is related to the square of the velocity (E = 1/2m V^2) - so that XL lead charge is carrying a load of kinetic energy and doesn't change my course or speed one bit on impact with my shields. A little time with a web calculator shows this impact is the equivalent of an explosion of 67 TONS of TNT on my shields - no course or speed change at all, but one hell of a lot of shield damage.
Meanwhile, my stiletto (mass 1,100,000 kg) traveling at 1,500 M/Sec rams into you (kinetic energy equivalent 295 tons of TNT), does no shield damage whatsoever, but sends you off into oblivion by transferring a few hundred M/Sec over to you.
Ramming is a valid tactic, but it makes no sense to have the rammer and victim take no damage from the impact.
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Capt Lynch
The Scope Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.11.29 19:52:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Capt Lynch wrote:While I think James claim that it is to get rid of bot miners is admirable, he does not do that...his blog itself in many articles confirms itd all about the grief...and always was. It's about emergent game play.
Really? Calling me a lier? (I'll hold my hand up to that...given its EVE and lying is a way of life in many circles there) The comments calling for me to suffer indefinate harassment? The continued calls for me to play his way if I ever wanna be able to play the game properly or to just quit the game?
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
265
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Posted - 2012.11.29 19:52:00 -
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Ahvram wrote:La Nariz wrote:In addition to my previous post if you remove ways of affecting highsec players without adding others you make the game itself less interesting. Look at the forum threads and the two opposing websites, something as simple as bumping has spawned as examples of this. Without this simple mechanic, bumping, none of that would have happened and highsec would be that much more dull. Ask yourself this CCP, "do I really want to remove a key tool in creating content for my game just to appease a minority of loud whiners?" I read "Dont take away our easy completely no risk way of exploiting High sec players as we lack the ability to do so in a legitimate way" Thats the real issue here and no other. So many long winded aurguments when this is the only real reason.
You read wrong, try actually making a counter argument instead of being insulting. npc alts aren't people |
Capt Lynch
The Scope Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.11.29 19:53:00 -
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Bing Bangboom wrote:87102-6 wrote:For folks not quite familiar with the situation that's been going on and why I deem it harassment . And then your whole argument with nothing that justifies changing anything. You are fairly accurate in your description of what Agents of the New Order do but your whole reason for why bumping should be banned boils down to "Ma! He's touching me!". Don't you see that it isn't about being fair or inclusive or celebrating the diversity of the Eve community? Its "pay 10,000,000 ISK or be bumped". It could NOT be clearer. We even give you a choice (10M or bump). I recommend strongly that you pay the ISK. If you disagree, GREAT! That's what is supposed to happen in Eve. One thing that has to be corrected (again) as it seems to be at the center of many anti-NO (see, I'm nice... I used your acronym) arguments is that we say we only bump AFK miners or even only bots but bump others too. This is not the case. We bump any non-Code compliant miners. Being compliant with The Code requires a miner to purchase a 10,000,000 ISK permit (good for one year!). So, if you haven't paid, you can "fairly" be bumped by an Agent per The Code. I can truthfully say that Agents make a real effort to not bump fully Code compliant miners to the point of passing on bumping one who may have paid but still has bot-aspirant , uh, aspirations! Bing Bangboom Agent of the New Order of Highsec Belligerent Undesirable
I saw three incidents today in Abudban where permit holders were bumped and then declared non-compliant cause they got angry...resulting in them being told they should re-purchase. |
Johnny Aideron
Order of Rouvenor
3
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Posted - 2012.11.29 19:55:00 -
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I'd just like to point out that Capt Lynch spends most of his time in Abudban chatting in local with bumpers and miners, while frequently complaining about how he is being followed and harassed. But he followed the bumpers to Abudban. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
265
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Posted - 2012.11.29 19:55:00 -
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Capt Lynch wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Capt Lynch wrote:While I think James claim that it is to get rid of bot miners is admirable, he does not do that...his blog itself in many articles confirms itd all about the grief...and always was. It's about emergent game play. Really? Calling me a lier? (I'll hold my hand up to that...given its EVE and lying is a way of life in many circles there) The comments calling for me to suffer indefinate harassment? The continued calls for me to play his way if I ever wanna be able to play the game properly or to just quit the game?
You got yourself into that situation, you can get yourself out. Personal responsibility exists in a sense in this game its one of the tools for content creation I feel CCP is trying to remove from highsec by gradually reducing risk in it. Bumping is just the next target in the gradual risk reduction list. npc alts aren't people |
87102-6
Mining Cartel high
20
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Posted - 2012.11.29 20:02:00 -
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Llort wrote:With regards to the comments on language and insults I have to say this.
I have explained bumping in several languages, like german, french and dutch. I have seen it explained in russian as well. Accusing the New Order of exploiting the language barrier is simply not true. I sat in Abudban for as much a I could (as much as I could stand). Not once -- I repeat, NOT ONCE -- did any NOA attempt extortion demands in languages other than English. In fact, in one incident that lasted 2-3 hours, I ended up having to translate between Japanese and English as the result of NOA harassment of a Japanese player. At the end of the multi-hour "event", one NOA member said, and I quote: "sorry guys, looks like I creted a bit of a monster here". To me, that indicates people (NOA) are taking things too far. There's also a cultural aspect to things too (I won't get into explaining this, re: American culture vs. Japanese culture), but that argument (of mine) is a bit out on a limb. My point is don't let things like this make you think there's actual profit behind the motive -- it's not being done for ISK.
Llort wrote:As for insults, I have seen bumpers receive all kinds of insults and their attitude is almost saintlike. Obviously there will be the odd quid pro quo but I have learned some - and I stress some - miners as the most rude and obsessed persons in 10 years of mmo's. I can't really argue too much against your statement here. Yes, the miners tend to get very upset/irate, and excessive vulgarity is a common reaction. I don't condone it. However, even if the recipient says "go away" and says nothing more, the continual bombardment of demands continues. It does not stop, and it is sometimes combined with bumping *simultaneously*, which leads to the player going "what do you want me to do, avoid bumping or respond to you in Local?!"
I also think (or feel?) what you're overlooking is that the "saintly" responses actually are condescending in nature and are what incite the venomous responses from miners. Furthermore, NOA permits their Agents to curse/use profanity while not permitting miners to (read the story, don't skim it, read it). Again, this is for CCP to limit/quarantine/whatever, not some "cult-following players" in-game, and is what the petition system is for -- but then again players aren't allowed to petition per what NOA demands, else risk what happens. Starting to see the cyclic nature and why it's harassing? If not, okay.
It's disappointing that this happens in Local chat, too, where all members of the system have to see it -- if it were Private Chat, the player could obviously choose to ignore/block the "Agent", which is almost certainly why Local was chosen as the communication medium. Or maybe Local was chosen so that if the player reacts angrily, NOA can file a petition citing excessive vulgarity in use? And that's coming from me, who's quite the skeptic. Just something to ponder... |
Llort
jawa shipyards
4
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Posted - 2012.11.29 20:04:00 -
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Capt Lynch wrote:While I think James claim that it is to get rid of bot miners is admirable, he does not do that...his blog itself in many articles confirms itd all about the grief...and always was.
At the moment it is surely overbalanced in favour of the bumpers. Miners have no way to properly retaliate and such a way needs to be added...be it a module or that bumping is classified as a 'suspect' flag.
And while I have met agents who are respectful and kind...many are jerks...one who seem to take morbid pleasure in verbal abuse.
This is about bumping not about you capt lynch. While I feel for your poor health you seem to take great risks with it by continueing after your recent posts about having Asperger's disease and a recent depression. Nevermind that you tried to start lies about bumpers in the Abudhan ice field today, which is typical for a disease ridden innocent miner not looking for trouble. Last but not least, you did resort to insulting me recently, so you are hardly the right person to contribute here.
Now some people will think that this post is also irrelevant and feel free to disregard me, but this is what the bumping complaints are mostly about, people unable to play the game properly that resort to lies and manipulation to achieve their goals. |
Winchester Steele
A Perfectly Normal Corp.
6
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Posted - 2012.11.29 20:04:00 -
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Rodtrik wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote: General Anger. Why do you care if miners are "babied?"
Every time CCP caves in to these soft wheezing demands for safety, entitlement and "fair" gameplay a little piece of this game's dark and dangerous soul dies. I suspect that makes Mallak, and anyone who truly loves this game, sad for the loss.
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1171
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Posted - 2012.11.29 20:05:00 -
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Rodtrik wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Rodtrik wrote: Why do you care if miners are "babied?"
Would you feel the same if it had been the other way around for 8 years? No, because I would simply not care. I trade, I research, I make my isk. I do not care what you do in your nul sec space. However, this harassing game play is unacceptable. And to claim that you are sick of "miners being babied" as a justification is pitiful.
That is an amazing amount of not caring you're showing here. Please, go on about how much you don't care. Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |
Ross Sylibus
Sniggwaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2
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Posted - 2012.11.29 20:06:00 -
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I think this comes down to a matter of goals.
If the goal is to make high sec completely free of all non-consensual PvP, and enable players to play the game without any non-consensual interaction, then miner bumping is griefing in that context and should be treated as such.
If EVE is meant to be built around the concept of conflict between players, then CCP needs to re-think the previous nerfs to high sec ganking - if ganking of miners had not been nerfed than miner bumping would not be "a thing", pure and simple - this is merely a result of travelling down a rabbit hole created as an unforeseen consequence of previous actions.
It is clear that there is a portion of EVE that wants the game to be about conflict and interaction between human beings. There is also a portion of EVE that wants the game to be about 'empire building' in the form of collecting minerals, isk etc and continued growth. Obviously these are not mutually exclusive as most players want some of both.
CCP is not being clear about their goals related to how the experience of EVE is to evolve, and this lack of clarity I think pervades their own ranks - it isn't a matter of not wanting to communicate this vision to the player base, they simply cannot agree themselves. I think any decision on this topic needs to be based on first determining what that vision is for the player experience in high sec and then acting accordingly
This debate is not at all about the actual function of the bumping mechanic - it is about what kind of game EVE is. If CCP has such a vision they should simply consult it and act accordingly related to this particular issue - if they don't, then broader discussion needs to first occur to determine the answer to that larger question before we continue down this path of tweaking minor details that only serve to embody the actualization of that vision. |
Capt Lynch
The Scope Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.11.29 20:06:00 -
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Johnny Aideron wrote:I'd just like to point out that Capt Lynch spends most of his time in Abudban chatting in local with bumpers and miners, while frequently complaining about how he is being followed and harassed. But he followed the bumpers to Abudban and remains there to this day of his own volition.
I tell you what I tell everyone...Abudban has the best prices for what I sell...3 times anywhere else as far as I know. Plus thats off-topic
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