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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.29 19:34:00 -
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Make ship collisions cause damage based on real world physics. That way I can slam an inexpensive frigate in to a freighter, releasing enough energy to rival the largest nuclear warhead, punching a hole through the freighter & destroying it!
PLEASE DO THIS CCP!
On a more serious note, why does this thread even exist if not to look for options to baby the miner community yet again? Is this a part of the plan to turn highsec in to a PvP-free zone? They have options to avoid bumping (Here's a shocker; So do freighters), so force them to adapt to it & stop giving in to their complaints all the time. Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1170
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Posted - 2012.11.29 19:47:00 -
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Rodtrik wrote: Why do you care if miners are "babied?"
Would you feel the same if it had been the other way around for 8 years? Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1170
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Posted - 2012.11.29 19:47:00 -
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Capt Lynch wrote:While I think James claim that it is to get rid of bot miners is admirable, he does not do that...his blog itself in many articles confirms itd all about the grief...and always was.
It's about emergent game play. Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1171
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Posted - 2012.11.29 20:05:00 -
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Rodtrik wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Rodtrik wrote: Why do you care if miners are "babied?"
Would you feel the same if it had been the other way around for 8 years? No, because I would simply not care. I trade, I research, I make my isk. I do not care what you do in your nul sec space. However, this harassing game play is unacceptable. And to claim that you are sick of "miners being babied" as a justification is pitiful.
That is an amazing amount of not caring you're showing here. Please, go on about how much you don't care. Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1171
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Posted - 2012.11.29 20:13:00 -
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Capt Lynch wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Capt Lynch wrote:While I think James claim that it is to get rid of bot miners is admirable, he does not do that...his blog itself in many articles confirms itd all about the grief...and always was. It's about emergent game play. Really? Calling me a lier? (I'll hold my hand up to that...given its EVE and lying is a way of life in many circles there) The comments calling for me to suffer indefinate harassment? The continued calls for me to play his way if I ever wanna be able to play the game properly or to just quit the game?
I did not call you a lier, I don't even know what that is. I called you a compulsive liar which you have proven to be over the course of the few weeks that you have been known to us to which I might add, was instigated by you. Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1172
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Posted - 2012.11.29 20:16:00 -
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Rodtrik wrote:Winchester Steele wrote:Rodtrik wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote: General Anger. Why do you care if miners are "babied?" Every time CCP caves in to these soft wheezing demands for safety, entitlement and "fair" gameplay a little piece of this game's dark and dangerous soul dies. I suspect that makes Mallak, and anyone who truly loves this game, sad for the loss. But it does not affect your dark and dangerous corner of the game...so?
I choose to do what I do in highsec. The nullsec part is of little interest beyond sec status grinding. So in effect, it does in fact affect my dark corner of the game. Highsec is not supposed to be safe. Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1172
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Posted - 2012.11.29 20:23:00 -
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Ahvram wrote:La Nariz wrote:In addition to my previous post if you remove ways of affecting highsec players without adding others you make the game itself less interesting. Look at the forum threads and the two opposing websites, something as simple as bumping has spawned as examples of this. Without this simple mechanic, bumping, none of that would have happened and highsec would be that much more dull. Ask yourself this CCP, "do I really want to remove a key tool in creating content for my game just to appease a minority of loud whiners?" I read "Dont take away our easy completely no risk way of exploiting High sec players as we lack the ability to do so in a legitimate way" Thats the real issue here and no other. So many long winded aurguments when this is the only real reason.
People can & do, take the loot from freighters after we've pulled off a gank. People can & do engage us as soon as we go GCC, sometimes preventing us from successfully ganking the target. Tell us more about this risk-free source of income mister npc corp guy. Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1172
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Posted - 2012.11.29 20:24:00 -
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Kan Ajyn wrote:I'm retired and disabled. I spend all my free time on the web and in the game of EVE. I have some bad health days when I have to AFK for 5 to 10 minutes at a time due to my health. This is when I usually ice mine in Abudban because it used to be a safe haven where I could play the game at the speed I was capable of. That has been taken away from me by the bumping and harrassment. I can now only play EVE on my good days leaving me nothing to do with myself on my bad days. New Order is making excuses for their bullying tactics and getting CCP to sanction their method of play. Every game that I've played in the past has had some safe haven players could run to when they wanted to chill out and just relax. Abudban was one of the safe havens a player could relax and still play the game
Now in my opinion, there is absolutely nothing wrong with bumping, its part of the game of EVE, bullying and extortion is part of the game of life, put the 2 together for a more realistic game. Sure, but a safe haven should be part of that also. There's not really anything wrong with selling a license for mining either but then it should it be a territory that's fought over then? Everybody should have to fight for a piece of the action but right now, what I'm hearing is wardec's are of no use. Let's say there's 100 diferent 'New Orders' all wanting 10 million isk from each miner for mining alowances in Abudban. Now for safe haven in abudban, a miner has to pay 100,000,000, and who's going to keep the rates from going any higher.
If bumping and mining licenses are going to be allowed Then why not put all mining areas in 0.3 and lower and make the people wanting to sell licenses, fight for the right to do so.
I almost won bingo with a single miner post. Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1176
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Posted - 2012.11.29 20:29:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:M0N0 wrote:Plenty of pilots asking for a effective counter to bumping...
Can I ask on behalf of everyone else for an effective counter to afk mining ect? A few suggestion: Being afk for 3 minutes or more gives you an aggression timer. Introducing a module that delays concord. Making afk against the rules. Allowing ore bays to be stolen from.
Any of the above are very much comparable to the popular requests from miners and would make the game more interesting instead of dull. Please, please stop asking for balancing or fairness - you already have it! Every ship in eve is able to bump but unlike mining it requires being at the keyboard AKA playing the game. In my opinion if anything barges need to be nerfed, 80,000 EHP is insane for a ship that can also go 1km/s with merely an AB(yes i am talking about the skiff).
All that being said I think the best thing for CCP to do is concentrate on making mining more intresting/engaging rather than afk/safe. I'm pretty sure AFK mining is already against the rules its just a sticky situation because mining game play is terrible:
The issue would be solved if mining lasers could not auto-repeat. Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1176
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Posted - 2012.11.29 20:35:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:The issue would be solved if mining lasers could not auto-repeat. Yep it would probably be much easier to catch mining bots as well. Can Not Auto Repeat = 1
Make it happen CCP Soundwave. The mining community is counting on YOU to make their playstyle more interesting. Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1184
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Posted - 2012.11.29 21:13:00 -
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Ahvram wrote:Right because pushing miners around belts and demanding ISK to stop is full of risk. As far as frieghters go you need this exploit to pull off your ganks and know for a fact its what lets you do so. Its warp scramming with no recorse. Defend it all you like but thats what it is. The ability to disable a players ship without them having any option to survive.
Yet all the while they do have options to survive this action that is not an exploit. It simply comes down to the one thing I've been saying for months now: They choose not to use the options available to avoid it. They choose to be victims.
I could recount many instances of where a target has survived by out-smarting us. Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1194
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Posted - 2012.11.29 22:29:00 -
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Dramiel Dan wrote: 1. Miner bumpers stay in NPC corps, so there is no recourse the miners have, short of hiring someone who doesn't mind using alts to end up with CONCORDed ships at every attack. They are abusing and exploiting the mechanics of the game by hiding behind the skirts of NPC corps, because they cannot be wardec'd.
Ok you've got me. I can't possibly deny that I'm hiding in a NPC corp while I bump.
Quote:2. Miner bumpers claim to be going after afk miners and bots, but I see them griefing the same active, at keyboard miners for hours on end, day after day. This is griefing. It is harassment. Period.
It is not griefing, it is not harassment. Period.
Quote:3. Game mechanics have been changed many times due to the brilliance of groups such as the Goons. It needs to be changed for the miner bumping exploit as well. These carebear players are, yet again, getting bullied. Only this time they have no built in recourse. One needs to be made for them.
Remember, the more the carebears are hindered, the more your costs go up.
Miner bumping is not an exploit & carebears should be as much at risk as anyone else. Turning EVE in to a game where miners are kept safe through game mechanics & CCP enforcment would turn this game in to a staple MMO with spaceships.
Cost of ships is not an issue. Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1196
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Posted - 2012.11.29 23:14:00 -
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Rokmal Serala wrote:Kimo Khan wrote:Perhaps a new module: Active anchor. Prevents ship from being bumped, like a siege mode. DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY CYCLE. This means person has to actively be at keyboard and see a bump coming. Drawback, ship cannot move, or warp until cycle complete. Cycle takes 3 minutes. So I can prevent the bump, but doing so I am a sitting duck for gankers who don't care about concord. I support this. You must be at the keyboard, or you have the risk to be bumped and you have the negative effect that you could be suicide ganked. And in my opinion suicide gank is better then that no risk bumping. So i hope its all okay, cause i'm tired and its not my mother tongue :).
This would make our job so much easier. I'm shocked that freighter pilots would support something like this. Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1198
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Posted - 2012.11.30 00:20:00 -
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SaKoil wrote:What miners are asking is for CCP to make it easier to play the game AFK. Really? Make me a module my bot can press every 3 minutes to completely eliminate the need to check on my miner?
For shame.
for balance, such a module would have to be a high slot module. Can you really see miners sacrificing a strip miner for some siege module? Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1205
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Posted - 2012.11.30 01:47:00 -
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SaKoil wrote:admiral root wrote: Here's my favourite question: How is temporarily disrupting someone's ability to mine ice because they refuse to buy a 10 million isk permit, where the "victim" always has the option to go elsewhere and lose nothing, different from pointing someone's officer-fit battleship in lowsec and demanding 10 billion isk or you'll permanently deny them their ship and their pod, where they lose everything?
You see, miners believe they are entitled to full invulnerability in high-sec. James 315 wrote an excellent manifesto on the issue back at april, you all should check it out: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1200137#post1200137These people will not rest until high-sec becomes Trammel or CCP puts its foot down and says enough is enough.
Pretty much. They don't even try to hide it anymore or claim it's for balance. I couldn't be bothered counting the amount of times I've seen a miner demand a nerf under the premesis of "you should go back to lowsec/nullsec/W-space for PvP, leave me alone". Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1207
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Posted - 2012.11.30 03:01:00 -
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Talona Vemane wrote:We all know that minerbumping while annoying, cause no damages to ships. When I asked about this, I was informed that it does not because of ships undocking from stations in areas such as Jita, it would cause headaches and such. Now what I am purposing is that CCp tweak the areas around stations to allow bumping, (sorta like a warp scram bubble, placed around gates in low sec for instance) that allows it. While allowing it to cause damage and be seen as an act of aggression elsewhere, therefore the NON afk miners can react..with teeth, fangs..or whines..what have you.....and the AFK miners, and semi bots ( i believe they are called) can be crushed, salvaged and taught a lesson. That way the Miners will be forced to adapt their style, the NO would be forced to adapt their style..the gameplay has evolved even more.
Except for the fact that the miners would be crying when we start suiciding frigates in to their barges. Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1208
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Posted - 2012.11.30 03:42:00 -
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Trading is very risky, what the hell are you talking about?
Gladius Codicis wrote:change the bump mechanics to favor larger ships more. A far more massive ship should not be dramatically moved by a much smaller one unless it is going very fast.
Bumping already works this way. Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1209
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Posted - 2012.11.30 08:08:00 -
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Heavy Met4l Queen wrote:Ive had some thoughts on this and i figure this is as good of a place than any to dump them.
i think bumping is fine. it has been used as a primitive means of disrupting warp and keeping targets on grid since as long as i have known in eve. it is a sound part of eve that does not need to be changed mechanic wise.
however, there has been talk of an anti bump module and from my view i think it would be interesting to bring this into eve. allow me to explain.
for warp disruptors, we have, warp stabilizers. for jammers, we have sensor backup arrays. why not have a module that allows you temporary immunity to bumping? at least as a prototype module in an update. this module will have a few uses in eve such as, keeping miners stationary, allow freighters to be immune to bumping, and allow freighters and transport ships an added safety measure of not being able to be bumped while transporting goods.
a few things i would like to point out for discussion:
1. this module would most likely become a highslot module
2. this module would not "anchor" the ship in space, but would remain on course when bumped. in addition, it cannot change course while the module is active. it will follow the last directional command given to it. ex: warp, orbit, alighn.
3. the module would require a mild amount of capacitor to be activated. enough that it would allow a ship to get out of a tough situation, but not remain activated indefinite. approx 15-45 seconds depending on ship.
4.whether this module may be fully active or cycle once then need to be activated again. its something to be discussed. keep in mind the capacitor should drain fairly quickly if fully active.
5. the module should require some kind of fuel. similar to a cyno module.
6. the module should take a bit of time to train up to use. about 15-20 days in my opinion. additional training of the skill required to use the module should decrease the capacitor use rate or increase the cycle time by %5.
7.if this module is to be brought into game for freighters, the freighters themselves would need a makeover. a highslot and enough cpu/powergrid to fit the module.
above all else, keep in mind. this module will only work if a player chooses to put one on his/her ship by sacrificing a highslot. it will not change the fundamental mechanic of bumping in eve. please discuss these thoughts and ideas, and if you have any criticism please make it constructive and detailed as to why you disagree.
There is no good reason to have something like this in the game as there is already ways for both miners & freighters to avoid being bumped. By not choosing to attempt these countermeasures, you're choosing to be a victim & really have no recourse for complaint.
Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1209
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Posted - 2012.11.30 08:14:00 -
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I'm going to take a risk here, as someone needs to do it.
CCP Falcon, may I ask what the point is of heavily moderating a thread such as this? You want to hear people's opinions on bumping & you're getting them. The nature of the thread topic should tell you that it will go off-topic slightly to provide more clarity to the topic at hand. Not to mention that most of the posts edited out for trolling weren't actually trolling. Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1224
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Posted - 2012.11.30 17:21:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Goody, I've been targeted. Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:Wardecs should allow miners to fight back (and they do, in the case of every single bumper other than James). They're broken at the moment. Any bumper will tell you that. That's the whole point of James' antics with decshield and corp switching.
The issue still lies with wardecs, not bumping or whether it constitutes harassment. Yes it does lie in harassment. Miners can't give you risk for your behavior, thus its harassment, as there is no way to stop you. TheGunslinger42 wrote:Oh I get it now: You want one set of rules for yourself, and another set of rules for everyone else. LMAO, get real. You people always run around with risk vs reward decries. Where is your risk in this behavior? I want rules to give you risk. SaKoil wrote:See, this is a problem. You want one set of rules for yourself and another ruleset for others.
Miners participate in mining/market PVP all the time when they fire their lasers. Refusing to understand this point does not make it less true.
In my opinion we should not go around changing the basic philosophy of whole Eve based on what you want. See above. I want your behavior put at risk. There is no risk. Just harassment, targeted harassment. And stop using semantics saying they "pvp" when they mine, it's very unbecoming. Also, it is not what I want, it's what the miners want. Otherwise this thread would not exist. And situations need to change to adapt to harassment and abuse of things.
We're at risk of missing, being ignored & being suicide ganked. People choose not to do these things & by default, choose to be a victim.
Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1224
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Posted - 2012.11.30 17:29:00 -
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Ahvram wrote:TheGunslinger42 wrote:Ahvram wrote:TheGunslinger42 wrote:Anslo wrote:Except it does. They're in highsec doing that because they don't want to PvP. They don't force missioning et al on you, why should you force PvP on them? You have a fundamental misunderstanding of what highsec is. Highsec does not mean, has never meant, and ideally never will mean pvp-free. It's considerably safer than other areas, but it is not 100% safe. So you're simply wrong - them being in highsec does not mean they are not valid targets for any form of PVP, including bumping. Last time a checked every action in eve related to PVP there are some cause and effect. You gank concord pops you, You can/wreck flip you get and agression timer. You harass miners/freighters by pushing them around belts/gates you get? You take no risk for full reward. I think miners should stop inhaling veldspar dust, as it's given them a curious blindness related to the words "suicide", "gank", "war" and "dec" Sorry bumpers are War dec proof see NPC corp. As for ganking Ya lets see the option. Gank the bumper (Which for a miner is near impossible) you lose more money trying to gank them than you would paying there risk free extorsion money. Thats a win for sure... Its not and answer to the issue at all. Our option to deal with you requires us to use the pvp system. Your option is to avoid the pvp system and its rules. See how that works. Now if I could gank you without concord interference we would be on the same level. And be real Miner bumpers dont run around in frigs/destroyers they use Machs and other large gank proof battleships to push miners around belts. Last time I check it takes about 10+ Tornados/talos to gank a buffer tank BS. Thats fair right? Only takes one of you completely avoiding all pvp rules to pvp yet it would take nearly 10 pilots all forced to abide by the pvp system to deal with you.
You have plenty of options available, yet you blatently choose not to use them. Plus, most of your claimed 'facts' on bumping & suicide ganking are completely false.
Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1226
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Posted - 2012.11.30 18:54:00 -
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Ahvram wrote:
You have plenty of options available, yet you blatently choose not to use them. Plus, most of your claimed 'facts' on bumping & suicide ganking are completely false.
Says a Goon lol. The "Facts" most come from your little forum posts and the bumper blogs. So sad you have ran out of good arguments at this point to defend this pathetic exploit. Again im sure you guys love risk free pvp I mean doing it the right way isnt the goon way after all.
Funny how we've been putting these facts in to practice for years now. There is no right way to PvP. You need to get this idea out of your head, because every action in this game is PvP, even mining & mission running. the only one that has run out of arguments is you, since you keep referring to a valid game mechanic as an emploit what it's not.
Take active measure to defend yourself & stop playing the victim card. Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1226
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Posted - 2012.11.30 18:56:00 -
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Ahvram wrote:Nathalie LaPorte wrote:Ahvram wrote:
A 10mn Stabber does a fine job pushing a mining ship around a belt. You guys are great the defense gets weaker and weaker the more its pulled apart. Why cant you just say "We like to pvp without acctually having to follow pvp mechanic because that would be to hard for us"
Have you personally ship scanned and attempted to gank bumping ships? I'm claiming that I've witnessed one (1) single catalyst gank bumping stabbers with great success. Have you tried and failed? Perhaps we could help you with your fit/skills? Ive never stepped foot in and Ice belt and when I do mine I have dealt with bumpers before. Honestly I would not even be in this thread if CCP falcon had not closed the other thread about freighter bumping. Im agaist bumping as a whole seeing as its going to be the only way to stop goons from exploiting freighters for easy kills. I agree with it as a game mechanic and it does have its uses but if it being in game means the goons get free warp scrams on any freighter they single out im all for putting and end to it. A good mechanic abused by people who need exploits to achieve there goals.
So you think it's a valid mechanic & an exploit at the same time? You need to brush up on your definition of an exploit.
Ahvram wrote:
Idk let me log on and check my 2 miners ships for Machariel paint scratchs and ill get back to you.... The most infamous bumping is in the ice fields but it happens to the ABC miners all the time.
No, ABC ore miners get blown up. Do you really have any idea of what you're talking about, or are you jumping on the anti-goon bandwagon just because? Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1226
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Posted - 2012.11.30 19:19:00 -
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Ahvram wrote:So how can a solo freighter pilot who is forced to take a choke point on a trade route able to take active measures to protect themselves from your recycled goon bumping alts? ( a known exploit but goons never get punished for it) I cant warp cant shoot can move cant do anything. Again this is 1 ship 1/10 my size able to lock me down with no reprocussions... Ya thats balanced.
Goon logic = no logic just guns and numbers and CCP puppet strings
Why don't you go & ask the freighter pilots that consistently avoid being ganked by us? I'm sure they'd be happy to share the same tips we've been telling everyone since we started doing it (They actually work if you put in the tiny amounts of effort required). Recycling bumping alts isn't an exploit (And frankly, why would we recycle bumping alts?). The only exploit regarding recycling is to avoid the penalties of sec status hits which we don't do, because it's just as feasible to agress with a -10 in an ibis as it is to agress with a fresh alt.
A Machariel with a MWD on equates to roughly the same size as a freighter. If you understood game mechanics, you would know that an active MWD increases the signature radius & mass of the ship by roughly 500%. Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1226
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Posted - 2012.11.30 19:34:00 -
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Ahvram wrote:Last time I was bump locked in a freighter it was by a 4 day old toon in a dessie. Your getting the 2 issues confused. The miner bumping I have experiance is:
A: Large MWD BS (Usally a Mach) warps into belt with a Cat or thrasher. Proceeds to push the miner all over the belt till the miner gives in and pays or refuses and is popped.
B: Freighter Pilot jumps gate. Lands on other side. As soon as you attempt to warp MWD destroyer plows into you repeatedly locking you down for ransom and or income gank.
Considering I do this stuff, I can tell you that everything you have said is completely false. I will now tell you in simple terms, so you can perhaps understand.
Firstly; A destroyer is unable to keep a freighter locked down with bumping. This is due to it's limited mass & size along with it's inability to fit a larger MWD.
Secondly; A Catalyst or Thraser is unable to gank a miner on it's own anymore because of the barge buff. You need 2 very well fit & rigged destroyers to do this, but 3 is the recommendation.
Thirdly; MWD destroyer does not lock you down with bumps due to the reason already stated. I can tell you first hand that it takes 3 100MN Stabber Fleet Issue or 2 Machariels to keep a freighter from warping. If that freighter is being webbed, then often we don't even get the chance to scan it's cargo because they enter warp so fast.
If you want to influence change, you first need to know what you're talking about. Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |
Mallak Azaria
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Posted - 2012.11.30 19:36:00 -
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Ahvram wrote:Its great how everyone has and answer for miner bumping but no one can give a solid reason how locking a frieghter down (Basically warp scram without aggression) is valid.
It's great how the people doing said freighter ganking have repeatedly offered advice on how to avoid it, but you ignore it because goons. Ironically, the people who take our advice don't complain about this non-issue. Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.30 19:48:00 -
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Ahvram wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Ahvram wrote:Its great how everyone has and answer for miner bumping but no one can give a solid reason how locking a frieghter down (Basically warp scram without aggression) is valid. It's great how the people doing said freighter ganking have repeatedly offered advice on how to avoid it, but you ignore it because goons. Ironically, the people who take our advice don't complain about this non-issue. Im sorry I should not have to go out of my way to avoid a broken game mechanic that should basically be and exploit because you cant achieve your goals otherwise. If you could you would not be here defending it. You are being allowed to in essence warp scramble a ship without agression or the ability of your target to do anything about it. You want to target me and gank me im all for it. Thats EVE and thats the risk I run leaving station. But the ability to perma warp scram a freighter without any negative effects on you is not what EVE is about. If so Warp scramblers would not cause aggression in Hi sec.
Except it's not warp scrambling, it's bumping. If you don't like being bumped in a freighter, use something smaller. There is consequences for all actions in this game & I've already gone over the negative consequences of bumping which do exist no matter how much you try to claim they don't. You can either take measures to avoid it or continue being a victim.
Just because you believe it's a broken game mechanic & should be an exploit doesn't make it a broken game mechanic & an exploit. Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1227
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Posted - 2012.11.30 20:04:00 -
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Ahvram wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Ahvram wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Ahvram wrote:Its great how everyone has and answer for miner bumping but no one can give a solid reason how locking a frieghter down (Basically warp scram without aggression) is valid. It's great how the people doing said freighter ganking have repeatedly offered advice on how to avoid it, but you ignore it because goons. Ironically, the people who take our advice don't complain about this non-issue. Im sorry I should not have to go out of my way to avoid a broken game mechanic that should basically be and exploit because you cant achieve your goals otherwise. If you could you would not be here defending it. You are being allowed to in essence warp scramble a ship without agression or the ability of your target to do anything about it. You want to target me and gank me im all for it. Thats EVE and thats the risk I run leaving station. But the ability to perma warp scram a freighter without any negative effects on you is not what EVE is about. If so Warp scramblers would not cause aggression in Hi sec. Except it's not warp scrambling, it's bumping. If you don't like being bumped in a freighter, use something smaller. There is consequences for all actions in this game & I've already gone over the negative consequences of bumping which do exist no matter how much you try to claim they don't. You can either take measures to avoid it or continue being a victim. Just because you believe it's a broken game mechanic & should be an exploit doesn't make it a broken game mechanic & an exploit. Does it have the same effect on my ship as warp scrambling? Yes infact it does so how is it any different. The only difference is the bumper takes no risk. The ganker firing at me is taking risk sure but he is only able to do this because there is a pilot there avoiding all risk by bumping. And the reason Im here is because I think it should be deemed and exploit.
No it does not have the same effect as warp scrambling or for a few reasons. The bumper could miss (it happens) & you could escape. The bumper could accidentally bump you in an unintended direction, causing you to enter warp. You could have an alt or a friend webbing you, causing you to enter warp within a couple of seconds. I could go on about the countermeasures & probably would if they were not already well publicised. Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1229
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Posted - 2012.11.30 20:35:00 -
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Ahvram wrote:I do use scouts and have stopped using my frieghter for any loads over a billion isk thats not the point. The point is the ability to basically warp scramble a frieghter without aggression. You have the full ability to lock another players ship down with them having no means to stop you. If you tried to do this the way it was intended with a warp scrambler you would be concorded. You are using and exploiting a broken game mechanic to avoid using the one and only pvp module that can prevent a player from warping.
No we don't have the full ability, because there is & always will be ways to avoid it. Try them out some time. Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1229
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Posted - 2012.11.30 20:42:00 -
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Ahvram wrote: You would have to have your eyes closed to miss a frieghter on a bump... O wait there is this cool button called Approch Id figure you as a Pro goon would know what that was but go figure...... Bumped into warp LOL man this gets better and better. And I guess CCP will provide me a free alt account with a webbing toon as now GOONs deem it as the way your required to move a frieghter around to avoid being Goon scrammed (bumped) All invalid points.
Your entire argument (most of it containing hilariously wrong information) is based around the premisis that you don't like goons. Here's a shocker: We're not the only ones killing freighters in highsec.
Perhaps people would take you seriously if you could come up with valid points that contain factual information, instead of making stuff up such as people bumping ABC ore miners, solo destroyers ganking miners, destroyers bumping freighters & ABLOOBLOOBLOO GOONS. Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1230
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Posted - 2012.11.30 21:08:00 -
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Ahvram wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Ahvram wrote:I do use scouts and have stopped using my frieghter for any loads over a billion isk thats not the point. The point is the ability to basically warp scramble a frieghter without aggression. You have the full ability to lock another players ship down with them having no means to stop you. If you tried to do this the way it was intended with a warp scrambler you would be concorded. You are using and exploiting a broken game mechanic to avoid using the one and only pvp module that can prevent a player from warping. No we don't have the full ability, because there is & always will be ways to avoid it. Try them out some time & be pleasantly surrised. Please enlighten me on how a solo freighter pilot can prevent this from happening? Remember this can be done anywhere at any time so avoiding hot systems isnt and answer thats valid. Using and alt or corpmate last I check wasnt required in the ships description to pilot it.
You're playing a multiplayer game. Make friends if you don't to pay for another account. For the rest of the things you can do, there is apparently a thread on the subject on the well known child pornography forum known as Reddit. There was also an article on themittani.com & there is probably one on EN24 (maybe) aswell. there is also effective counters listed on the EVEwiki. Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1230
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Posted - 2012.11.30 21:17:00 -
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Von Kroll wrote:Ahvram wrote:[quote=Ahvram][quote=Mallak Azaria][quote=Ahvram]
I just reference goons because your history shows you exploit and defend it to the death intill CCP makes it official. Its been this way for years.
And if you look back I corrected My ABC ore quote. Also Yes I dont like goons but I think EVE would not be the same place without you. Its acctually a rush to out run your camps and fight you guys when you jump up to my home system for your jita runs ect. Im all about this dont get me wrong. But the freighter bumping thing is another one of those things that needs fixing. ^ this if goons are defending anything that in and of itself because of their history says it needs to be changed. Anything goons defend is only good for goons and not for the greater community. The recent fw exploit is just the most recent one. They constantly find ways to exploit mechanics and never have the best intentions of this game in mind only padding their already massive eve wallets. Also if you make these changes they will still gank but they will just have to commit to the gank and use something more then catalyst. Also i love that their argument is .. "just use a scout" yah cause we all have trillions of isk like goons and can afford multiple accounts like them. Thats not an argument for why the game mechanic isn't broken. Which as i stated in my other post it is broken
Funny thing about the FW thing is it was our marketing team that brought up the issue with CCP while it was on the test server. They didn't listen so we did it anyway. At no point did we defend FW farmville, but we'd have been stupid to not take advantage of it while it was around.
You don't need multiple accounts to be able to take active measures to avoid things or mitigate the risk. Make friends, work with others. Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1230
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Posted - 2012.11.30 21:48:00 -
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Von Kroll wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Ahvram wrote:
You have plenty of options available, yet you blatently choose not to use them. Plus, most of your claimed 'facts' on bumping & suicide ganking are completely false.
Says a Goon lol. The "Facts" most come from your little forum posts and the bumper blogs. So sad you have ran out of good arguments at this point to defend this pathetic exploit. Again im sure you guys love risk free pvp I mean doing it the right way isnt the goon way after all.
Funny how we've been putting these facts in to practice for years now. There is no right way to PvP. You need to get this idea out of your head, because every action in this game is PvP, even mining & mission running. the only one that has run out of arguments is you, since you keep referring to a valid game mechanic as an emploit what it's not. Take active measure to defend yourself & stop playing the victim card. goons keep arguing that it's a valid game mechanic which is stupid. We all know that it is a valid game mechanic (now) but this is about whether that mechanic is flawed and whether it or other mechanics are exploited. The opinion of a lot of people not in goons is that you have abused the bumping and 15minute aggression timer mechanics and thats why there is now discussion about changing one or both of these mechanics. Just as many other things that were valid game mechanics before goons abused them and they had to be changed. I'm hoping miner and freighter bumping or the 15minute aggression timer are things that are changed so that you are no longer allowed to grief people that have much less then you. Other people have a right to play this game and have fun with out goons imposing their will on them just because you have exploited this game so that you have more in game wealth and resources then anybody. This is eve online not goons online.. (as much as you'd like it to be)
I'll have you know that many of the freighter pilots I've helped gank have had much more than me. The 15 minute agression time was brought in to the game because supercaps weren't dying along with many other people who were escaping death by simply logging out of the game. It wasn't just goons avoiding death by logging out, everyone was doing it.
Saying that something needs to be changed because a few goons are doing something isn't really a good way to get a point across. There are plenty of things that desperately need changes that we don't do, such as nullsec industry. Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1232
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Posted - 2012.12.01 00:03:00 -
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Hyperspatia Lee wrote:On another note, I wonder how the upcoming "safe logoff timer" mechanic will work with bumping. If being bumped is not aggression, then maybe it will allow logging off safely from a bumping attack.
You can already do this. Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1233
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Posted - 2012.12.01 01:42:00 -
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Von Kroll wrote:Which is why i said that the 15minute timer for aggression that is put on a player because someone else points him and he doesn't actually make any aggression should be considered for removal from HIGH SEC because there are no super caps in high sec therefore I don't think the this one agression timer is needed in high sec as it is only used by goons for freighter ganking.
It wasn't just supercaps that were doing this. People were doing it in subcaps aswell. And no, lots of people make use of this mechanic. The number of PvP ship kills in highsec rose quite abit once this was implemented, because people could no longer avoid death by logging off. Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1244
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Posted - 2012.12.01 08:52:00 -
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Furry Pirate wrote:I've honestly tried to read all 18 pages of this stuff, so I'm just going to put in my two cents worth:
1. Miners are at the bottom of the "food chain" - it stinks, but if all the predators ate the herbivores, everybody dies. 2. Don't pay - simple. Remove the profit motive and they will actually have to come up with a plan that involves risk. 3. Put out secure cans or rookie ships as barriers - or just pump out a jet can with a bookmark every 3 minutes. 4. Make connections with miners in other corporations - they might offer you logistics, or just as eyes and ears. 5. (or) Go and do it to your competition, using the cheap industrials from the business and industry career paths.
Personally, I intend to go out bumping in my Abaddon and to force those who issue "mining permits" to either do something about it, refund the money to the people they have scammed, or lose face.
I suggest that all like minded people with battlecruisers and larger do to the same, especially to intimidate those who are preying on the miners - I like the minerals cheap, so my ships are cheaper to buy.
If you can shake them down in turn, their lame little scams isn't going to seem so appealing any more - especially when far more experienced and organized groups are so much better at it than they are.
This guy gets it.
Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1252
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Posted - 2012.12.01 10:42:00 -
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Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:Besides, I don't know how much time you spend in Abudban, but miners tend to be far more disgusting in terms of vocabularly than Agents of the New Order do.
As I am obviously a young child, the language that has been presented towards me is completely unacceptable from the revered community of adult miners. This is absolutely disgusting behaviour & they all need some time off. Think about the children.
Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1290
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Posted - 2012.12.02 01:53:00 -
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Solarius Elrond wrote:Miners are asking for another adjustment to continue to play as they have in the past, subject to reasonable protection from and vulnerability to suicide gankers and war decs. However, as designed NPC corps exist, in part, to shelter a segment and type of player from war decs.
IMHO CCP management wants to appeal to the broadest segment of player types: from super aggressive to super passive. Excessively passive players are less inclined to renew subscriptions and excessively aggessive players, if left unchecked, will unacceptably increase the number of more passive players who will depart the game or not get involved in EVE in the first place.
This is one of the major problems with miners. Instead of using the same tools available ingame to mitigate the risks, they beg CCP to make the game easier for them or threaten to unsub. This has happened over & over again. Continual buffs to make it safer for them while everyone else has to adapt. I believe it's time that the miners adapt to changing circumstances for once & as a result, enjoy EVE for what it is: A dark & harsh world.
If someone wants to mine all day then fine, but they shouldn't do it with the expectation that no one will interfere with them. If they're interfered with, instead of threatening mass-unsubs they should adapt to the situation at hand like many others already do. During the last hulkageddon I came across many miners who used their initiative to make gank attempts against them unsuccessful, but I came across even more that just outright quit EVE over it & that is the wrong line of thought for this game. Then there was the miners begging for a higher tank capability. They eventually got it, but I rarely see Mackinaws with tanks equipped.
It's about time CCP stops catering to the lazy players with this sense of entitlement for fear of losing money. These aren't the people making the game better, these are the people wanting you to turn EVE in to a game that is like most other MMO's. Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1301
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Posted - 2012.12.02 04:02:00 -
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D'Om K'vash wrote:I like these options. Why arn't these options being discussed. Also seeing how many goons are posting that don't like this that automatically means that nerfing bumping is good for the game. they are just worried about losing an easy revenue stream. If there is one thing true of eve it's that what is bad for goons is good for eve.
Just because you've repeated this over & over again in literally every post you've made here doesn't make it true. Do you have anything to add to this discussion on bumping mechanics, or is your entire argument based around nerfing anything that goons do because goons?
Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1303
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Posted - 2012.12.02 05:22:00 -
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Benny Lava wrote:admiral root wrote: How is it harassment? Eve is all about forcing others to comply, be it through blackmail, bribery, extortion, ganking or, for the moment at least, bumping.
Given that this is the game CCP created, how is doing these things bad for the game?
Please see my response on 21 where I gave the definition of harassment, and how this applies to actions by New Order.
That is the general definition, not the definition for the game. Try that one before you make an invalid argument.
Benny Lava wrote:Good luck with that. You are talking about null sec tactic with an item sold on the market to use in null sec. I've been there and done that. It no fun, but it's something CCP created for the game to be used in that fashion. I accept that because I chose to be in null sec at that time. In the end, it's up to CCP to either see New Order's action as acceptable or as a harassment to high sec passive players.
Highsec was never supposed to be safe, just a bit safer than other areas of the game.
Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1309
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Posted - 2012.12.02 10:03:00 -
[41] - Quote
admiral root wrote:HydroSan wrote:This entire thread is some sort of elaborate troll right? Sadly, no. It's more likely that CCP have already decided to cave, partially or completely, and that this is a pro-forma exercise so they can say they consulted the players. I hope I'm wrong, though.
I hope you're wrong too, but we both know deep down inside that you're right. It's about time CCP stops catering to the lazy players with this sense of entitlement for fear of losing money. These aren't the people making the game better, these are the people wanting you to turn EVE in to a game that is like most other MMO's. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1327
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Posted - 2012.12.02 18:16:00 -
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Kathtrine wrote:I have the solution to all the whining that is fair.
Perma-Ban-Hammer the following players:
Everyone that whines about ganking. Everyone that whines about how they cant gank in 3 shots or less anymore.
Everyone that whines about bumping. Everyone that whines about how they hate non-consensual PvP in EvE.
Everyone that whines.
So pretty much most of the people that posted on how they hate ____(insert game mechanic here)____ in all threads, posts and chat.
What will we get, a very very quiet forum and local.
Bumping is legal, get over it. (From a mining person)
Harassing players is not, CCP enforces it. BTW I had a player harass me (on an alt) last night in Jita. Told them to stop (it was verbal only). They didn't, so I petitioned them with details. GM deals with them. Person stopped talking in local. I think CCP's GM's are doing a great job. Go Read the EULA and the TOS to deal with that.
Bump me mining and I have been I will come along with an alt and bump you back. Or I will go do something much more profitable, Mission running. Back to that.
If your idea was put in to action, you'd be the first to go. Be careful what you wish for. It's about time CCP stops catering to the lazy players with this sense of entitlement for fear of losing money. These aren't the people making the game better, these are the people wanting you to turn EVE in to a game that is like most other MMO's. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1351
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Posted - 2012.12.04 09:29:00 -
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Many of us have read them, that's why we know exactly what we are allowed to do with in the game rules. It's about time CCP stops catering to the lazy players with this sense of entitlement for fear of losing money. These aren't the people making the game better, these are the people wanting you to turn EVE in to a game that is like most other MMO's. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1355
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Posted - 2012.12.04 11:08:00 -
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Shvak wrote:TheGunslinger42 wrote:Shvak wrote:Watched a corp mate getting bumped despite being online. There is not much that he or I could do. A cheap Stabber not worth killing and having concord all over you. Nothing I could do to help my corp mate, the bumper is immune and fly such a cheap ship killing him makes no sense. I have no issue with bumping but I believe there must be an effective counter. I would favour a brief 10 second aggression timer (kill rights) for the ship bumped that he can react if he is not afk. The big argument for the pro-bumpers is it combats afk mining. Which is valid, you target an afk miner, no problem. You target a miner at his keyboard and you will have to reap the whirlwind. He can then maybe be given the right to activate killrights and maybe sell it starting a 15 minute timer of open season on the bumper. It eliminates the whole we are cleaning up afk mining and takes away the immunity they currently have against normal miners. It means there is an effective counter of very short duration to bumpers without taking away their basic business model. Neither side would be totally happy The problem here is that you flat out contradict yourself. One of the first things you allude to is ganking the bumper, but then go on to spew tears about how they are "immune" and there was "Nothing I could do". You make reference yourself to something you could do, something that proves they aren't immune. So how on earth can you make those statements? You REFUSED to help your corpmate, and he REFUSED to help himself. Then you make false statements as part of a complaint to CCP. Revolting. Just wondering if you are running for office? Then you make false statements as part of a complaint to CCP, what crap, this is a discussion thread. I have never petitioned CCP ever.
You aren't a very good friend if you watched someone take advantage of him. You should be ashamed of yourself.
It's about time CCP stops catering to the lazy players with this sense of entitlement for fear of losing money. These aren't the people making the game better, these are the people wanting you to turn EVE in to a game that is like most other MMO's. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1358
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Posted - 2012.12.05 12:48:00 -
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Lady Cub wrote:Should Bumping be unbalanced and ultra easy.... NO. Is it currently Ultra easy and Unbalanced... YES.. = BROKEN and EXPLOITED.
If bumping is so easy, why are so many people awful at it?
It's about time CCP stops catering to the lazy players with this sense of entitlement for fear of losing money. These aren't the people making the game better, these are the people wanting you to turn EVE in to a game that is like most other MMO's. |
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