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Demolishar
United Aggression
459
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Posted - 2012.11.23 12:21:00 -
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How's this for a metric:
If you measure your wealth in integer M, you're poor. If you measure your wealth in integer B, you're middle class. If you measure your wealth in integer T, you're rich.
Would y'all say that's accurate? |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
5586
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Posted - 2012.11.23 12:23:00 -
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Why put pilots in classes?
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Demolishar
United Aggression
459
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Posted - 2012.11.23 12:24:00 -
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Chribba wrote:Why put pilots in classes?
Cause I'm bored and statistics are fun. |
Nanatoa
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
167
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Posted - 2012.11.23 12:27:00 -
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This has absolutely nothing to do with statistics. Plus your class boundaries are based on convenience instead of some (any) sensible criterium; that's a Cardinal Sin We do what we must, because we can.
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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting The Paganism Alliance
126
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Posted - 2012.11.23 12:29:00 -
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I kind of agree with OP. He only forgot to list K as the unit for newbie poverty. |
Demolishar
United Aggression
459
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Posted - 2012.11.23 12:29:00 -
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The statistic here is whether people feel it's true. So far all I'm getting is people objecting on technical grounds. |
Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
130
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Posted - 2012.11.23 12:32:00 -
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I think you need a sunshine list for hundreds of B because going from B to T is a huge leap. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
5586
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Posted - 2012.11.23 12:34:00 -
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Ok, then I feel those metrics could be better (not sure to what better).
Because this assumes K/M/B/T is equally linear to get to.
As such, it is as hard reaching K->M, as it is reaching from M->B, and B->T - this is something I do not find matching. So I do not feel the levels are correct.
/c
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oniplE
MeMento.
7
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Posted - 2012.11.23 12:35:00 -
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Demolishar wrote:How's this for a metric:
If you measure your wealth in integer M, you're poor. If you measure your wealth in integer B, you're middle class. If you measure your wealth in integer T, you're rich.
Would y'all say that's accurate? So if have 1.000.000 M i'm poor, 1.000 B i'm middle class and 1 T i'm rich? |
DeBingJos
Avalon Project Shadow Rock Alliance
457
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Posted - 2012.11.23 12:36:00 -
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It's not about the wallet, it's about the assets. Ungi ma+¦urinn ++ekkir reglurnar, en gamli ma+¦urinn ++ekkir undantekningarnar. The young man knows the rules, but the old man knows the exceptions. |
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Karn Dulake
Sad Flutes
1017
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Posted - 2012.11.23 12:41:00 -
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if i can buy a UTU from Chribba and just fly it on autopilot around jita 4-4 and not care then i would consider myself rich I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion. |
Demolishar
United Aggression
459
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Posted - 2012.11.23 12:42:00 -
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DeBingJos wrote:It's not about the wallet, it's about the assets.
Yeah, I changed it to "wealth". Maybe we can call 100B-999B "upper middle class" and 1B-99B "lower middle class" |
Wacktopia
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
290
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Posted - 2012.11.23 13:16:00 -
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Demolishar wrote:Chribba wrote:Why put pilots in classes? Cause I'm bored and statistics are fun.
Class and wealth are not the same. The bottom line is that now I have one of those annoying signatures. |
Hazen Koraka
HK Enterprises
67
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Posted - 2012.11.23 13:19:00 -
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DeBingJos wrote:It's not about the wallet, it's about the assets.
Well to me it's the raw wallet number. I have craploads of assets, but finding hard to shift said assets effciently into raw isk. So I feel (moderately) poor until I can shift my assets into a higher ratio of raw isk. |
Demolishar
United Aggression
461
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Posted - 2012.11.23 13:31:00 -
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Wacktopia wrote:Demolishar wrote:Chribba wrote:Why put pilots in classes? Cause I'm bored and statistics are fun. Class and wealth are not the same.
Let's place a monetary value on the strings you can pull, then - you can now include "whatever you can realistically beg/borrow/steal" in your total wealth if you want. |
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries Alliance not Found
75
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Posted - 2012.11.23 13:41:00 -
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For a start jumping simply by orders of magnitude is far too blunt an instrument and, in fact, the raw ISK value of a character's assets is misleading in and of itself. A mission runner (who does nothing else) will probably feel himself rich once he has a couple of billion in cash, a CNR and a bunch of faction and deadspace shield mods, whereas a corp thief who has made off with tens of billions in minerals and a couple of tournament ships which he cannot easily sell may not - although the latter's assets are vastly greater, numerically.
The earning potential is also a major factor - it is relatively easy to make millions as a new player these days but when I started a lot of us were chuffed to bits if we got to 1 million after our first week and I, who had been given six million by people I knew out of game, was incredibly space rich because my head start was equivalent to three or four times the time I'd spent in game. While not rich in absolute terms wealth of that sort allowed vast largesse in relation to the pilots within the peer group - in a manner similar to the kid at school who got ten times the pocket money everyone else had. The same six million now would mean broke, down on my uppers and as near totally skint as it's possible to be - and for those who deal day to day in tens of billions dropping as far as a hundred mil would probably have a similar effect... |
Demolishar
United Aggression
461
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Posted - 2012.11.23 13:44:00 -
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Jacob that's fine if you consider richness as something subjective. But in a game where everything is quantifiable, I don't believe "feeling" rich has anything to do with being rich. |
Auric Veldfinger
Hedion University Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.11.23 13:50:00 -
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I'm aspirational middle class, I kept the plastic on the sofa in my captain's quarter for a year after I bought it. |
Kainotomiu Ronuken
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
122
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Posted - 2012.11.23 13:51:00 -
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No, 'richness' is undeniably subjective, because I thought I was minted when I made my first 10 million as a newbie, and now I think I'm dirt-poor even though I can make far more than that whenever I want. You can define relative wealth ("I have more money than the average EVE player." "I have more money than 95% of EVE players". "I have less money than 30% of EVE players.") but you can't tell anyone whether or not they're rich.
Besides, your scale is also terrible. I'd feel very rich if I had 988 billion ISK, but I'd still measure that in billions.
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Silk daShocka
Greasy Hair Club
136
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Posted - 2012.11.23 13:55:00 -
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I can only assume integer T is technetium |
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Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
131
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Posted - 2012.11.23 14:02:00 -
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Demolishar wrote:DeBingJos wrote:It's not about the wallet, it's about the assets. Yeah, I changed it to "wealth". Maybe we can call 100B-999B "upper middle class" and 1B-99B "lower middle class"
Asset included, I'd put most of EVE in the poor to lower middle class group. I think this can be backed when complaints rise about 600 mill Plex. For someone with a wallet of 10 billion and an ability to keep that wallet there, 600 mill as a means to play the game is not something you would see objection to. |
Demolishar
United Aggression
461
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Posted - 2012.11.23 14:10:00 -
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Sisohiv wrote: Asset included, I'd put most of EVE in the poor to lower middle class group. I think this can be backed when complaints rise about 600 mill Plex. For someone with a wallet of 10 billion and an ability to keep that wallet there, 600 mill as a means to play the game is not something you would see objection to.
"Watch what they do, not what they say"
PLEX volume sold has not dropped significantly. |
TriadSte
IronPig Sev3rance
130
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Posted - 2012.11.23 14:33:00 -
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I see definition of rich as very different. I have the ability to help new players. I pretty regularly give out isk to new players who are a bit stuck or perhaps have had their ships blown up. I give them isk and ofer help on the fit they use.
For me that makes me feel "rich"
Like in real life, I'm not what you'd call wealthy. I live a decent life but I'm not money rich but my 2 sons and my fiance make me feel like i'm the richest father partner alive.
Also going on the above poster speaking about if youre worth 10 billion - 600 million for a plex is nothing.
Thats totally wrong because 600mil is 6% of your wealth, a good sum by anyones standards.
The rich do not throw money away, that's why they're rich in the first place. |
Nex apparatu5
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
387
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Posted - 2012.11.23 15:41:00 -
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<5b is poor, <80b is middle class, <500b is upper class, >500b is the aristocracy |
Riddick Liddell
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2012.11.23 15:54:00 -
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TriadSte wrote:I see definition of rich as very different. I have the ability to help new players. I pretty regularly give out isk to new players who are a bit stuck or perhaps have had their ships blown up. I give them isk and ofer help on the fit they use.
For me that makes me feel "rich"
Like in real life, I'm not what you'd call wealthy. I live a decent life but I'm not money rich but my 2 sons and my fiance make me feel like i'm the richest father partner alive.
Also going on the above poster speaking about if youre worth 10 billion - 600 million for a plex is nothing.
Thats totally wrong because 600mil is 6% of your wealth, a good sum by anyones standards.
The rich do not throw money away, that's why they're rich in the first place.
If you had no ISK income for a year, you could pay for that year in Plex and still have 2.8 billion ISK. I'd say that's a bargain.
I agree on everything else. I'm not sure the OP was trying to reduce EVE to it's ISK value, just looking at one aspect of EVE. That being ISK value in it compared to others. No amount of ISK in the game can pay for a podding when you didn't have an updated clone and lose 3 weeks of SP. "Rich" is optic but I'd say sitting on a year of free EVE is pretty darn rich. |
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CCP Eterne
C C P C C P Alliance
625
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Posted - 2012.11.23 15:55:00 -
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I am apparently poor then. Community Representative GÇ+ EVE Illuminati GÇ+ Fiction Adept
@CCP_Eterne GÇ+ @EVE_LiveEvents |
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Hannott Thanos
Notorious Legion
155
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Posted - 2012.11.23 15:59:00 -
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DeBingJos wrote:It's not about the wallet, it's about the assets. Dat asset |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
414
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Posted - 2012.11.23 16:08:00 -
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CCP Eterne wrote:I am apparently poor then.
LOL....right.
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Jackie Fisher
Syrkos Technologies Joint Venture Conglomerate
138
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Posted - 2012.11.23 16:09:00 -
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CCP Eterne wrote:I am apparently poor then. Yes, it must be tough when you are down to your last couple of Polaris frigates.
Fear God and Thread Nought |
TriadSte
IronPig Sev3rance
130
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Posted - 2012.11.23 16:20:00 -
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The thing is that there is so much isk available in Eve if you do the right things in the right places.
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