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Rene De'Labou
S-Words And Snakes Shadow of Fate
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Posted - 2012.11.23 04:59:00 -
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Its safe to say over the last few months the power structures of Null Sec have radically changed. Several long standing alliances have either collapsed, retreated, gone into restructuring not unlinke bankruptcy. Others have continued to consolidate power, form even larger Super Coalitions to the lament of many. Its easy to take the next leap and say this is pushing Null Sec and EVE at large towards a downfall in content and activity. I think it simply signals a fundamental change in living in Null Sec. Be it a positive or negative one is really up to you, and I won't try to change your opinion of it. Rather I would like to share mine.
I believe this is a positive thing, much like an old growth forest burning down only to be renewed by what grows to replace it. It gives new saplings the chance to grow when they might otherwise be choked off, not say they don't face competition or other environmental factors, simply their odds are a little better. So it goes with the state of affairs in Null Sec. Some rather powerful end game alliances have in one shape or another been burnt down, in keeping with our forest analogy. It is from their ashes I believe new alliances and corporations can rise to take their place and once again redefine the power structures in Null Sec.
Its not going to come from the same 5 people leading the same 5 or so groups, thats merely repackaging the old forest which is meant to be burnt down. It is certainly not to say their place in Null Sec is gone, or their chance for power gone. Perhaps after making internal changes, shaking up doctrines or simply restoring their members morale they will be back stronger than ever. I certainly wish them the best, but I am not merely going to wait around to see what happens.
I know there are a number of alliances, corporations and pilots trying to decide what comes next. Certainly you can follow the next iteration of your alliance or corp, or you can find your way into exsisting ones and assimilate. But perhaps you want a clean slate only taking with you lessons learned. That's where I believe these new coporations and alliances will come into play. There is room for the pilots and corporations looking for that clean break in these new upcoming alliances.
I'd like to think mine is one of them and that here a second chance can be had. That best practices and mistakes can be put to use in a group that is not a rehashing of the old guard. So on behalf of all the new alliances aiming for Null Sec, including mine I'd like to offer you the invitation to consider joining us as a second shot at Null Sec. |
VooDooPimp
Macabre Votum Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2012.11.23 05:16:00 -
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I almost thought you might be on to something until I realized you're a 4 mo. old toon who has been in 7 corps so far. |
Enik3
Burning Napalm Northern Coalition.
65
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Posted - 2012.11.23 05:17:00 -
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Lots 'o words |
Tallianna Avenkarde
Tribal Holdings
403
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Posted - 2012.11.23 05:21:00 -
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VooDooPimp wrote:I almost thought you might be on to something until I realized you're a 4 mo. old toon who has been in 7 corps so far.
Doesn't make the words any less true.
And a sudden plunge in the sullen swell. Ten fathoms deep on the road to hell. |
Roderick Grey
Assisted Genocide Black Legion.
109
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Posted - 2012.11.23 06:55:00 -
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VooDooPimp wrote:I almost thought you might be on to something until I realized you're a 4 mo. old toon who has been in 7 corps so far.
I almost thought you were an idiot, until I saw your alliance.
Wait... |
Shylari Avada
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
59
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Posted - 2012.11.23 08:08:00 -
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Roderick Grey wrote:
I almost thought you were an idiot, until I saw your alliance.
Wait...
Long live Morsus Mihi, oh wait... |
Roderick Grey
Assisted Genocide Black Legion.
109
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Posted - 2012.11.23 09:32:00 -
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Shylari Avada wrote:Roderick Grey wrote:
I almost thought you were an idiot, until I saw your alliance.
Wait...
Long live Morsus Mihi, oh wait...
I err... wait what? |
Hammez Coopez
Council Of Internal War The Paganism Alliance
10
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Posted - 2012.11.23 10:12:00 -
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This is EvE, If ya cant beat them, join them! |
Lucy Oreless
Raptus-Regaliter EntroPraetorian Aegis
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Posted - 2012.11.23 10:55:00 -
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Still waiting for a TL;DR.... _____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you wanna PVP? Join us -> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=162144 |
Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2012.11.23 12:08:00 -
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tl;dr
we want sov pls |
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Lucy Oreless
Raptus-Regaliter EntroPraetorian Aegis
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Posted - 2012.11.23 12:44:00 -
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Buhhdust Princess wrote:tl;dr
we want sov pls
Tnx
Top op: Atm thats the easiest thing in all of EVE... (just dont throw it back into my face that we cant seem to get any, because we are horrible). _____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you wanna PVP? Join us -> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=162144 |
Kalim Dabo
Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous
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Posted - 2012.11.23 13:30:00 -
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OP is right. Half of the old guard alliances' members are bittervets who never log in anymore. The other half are falling apart. The mega alliances will soon get tired of being blue to each other. Goons will likely always be a major force, but I could see TEST imploding on itself eventually. The stage is set for new forces to emerge and burn down the forest. |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Dark Therapy
1083
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Posted - 2012.11.23 13:48:00 -
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Tallianna Avenkarde wrote:VooDooPimp wrote:I almost thought you might be on to something until I realized you're a 4 mo. old toon who has been in 7 corps so far. Doesn't make the words any less true.
Also doesn't mean he hasn't been playing for the last 9 years on different characters, but as usual Eve-O forum IQ drops to single figures when teh trolls roll out. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Crunchmeister
THORN Syndicate THORN Alliance
360
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Posted - 2012.11.23 16:29:00 -
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Rico Minali wrote:Tallianna Avenkarde wrote:VooDooPimp wrote:I almost thought you might be on to something until I realized you're a 4 mo. old toon who has been in 7 corps so far. Doesn't make the words any less true. Also doesn't mean he hasn't been playing for the last 9 years on different characters, but as usual Eve-O forum IQ drops to single figures when teh trolls roll out.
DON'T TALK BACK TO -A-!!!! EVER!
Someone from -A- said he was a 4 month old toon in 7 corps, so regardless of the fact that the op seems to have somewhat of a clue as to the politics of 0.0 and makes some valid points that a 4 month old noob wouldn't know jack sh!t about, he's a noob his opinions are to be summarily dismissed, and he's to be publicly ridiculed for not adhering to the old guard -A- mentality. People were constantly telling me I was crazy. For a long time I didn't believe them, but after a while, I started to think they might be right.
But it turns out that they were all wrong. One of the voices in my head is a psychiatrist and he says I'm perfectly sane. |
Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
524
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Posted - 2012.11.23 17:09:00 -
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"I think that people without friends should have Sov too"
Face facts, the HBC and the CFC have mastered the art of diplomacy which, just like in real life, is 100000 times easier then conquering your enemies via the sword. If you can't do diplomacy and you can't conquer everyone then why should you be a key player in null? "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |
WarFireV
The Maverick Navy Against ALL Authorities
74
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Posted - 2012.11.23 17:11:00 -
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So I heard this was another topic that quickly became about -A- by randoms. |
Dave from Marketing
S-Words And Snakes Shadow of Fate
0
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Posted - 2012.11.23 17:13:00 -
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Inquisitor Kitchner wrote: "I think that people without friends should have Sov too"
Face facts, the HBC and the CFC have mastered the art of diplomacy which, just like in real life, is 100000 times easier then conquering your enemies via the sword. If you can't do diplomacy and you can't conquer everyone then why should you be a key player in null?
i dont think there is anything wrong with someone saying they think things can be done differently,
but ive only just really started playing eve, maybe things are different here |
Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
524
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Posted - 2012.11.23 17:13:00 -
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WarFireV wrote:So I heard this was another topic that quickly became about -A- by randoms.
Who?
Oh you mean Against ALL Alliances? "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |
WarFireV
The Maverick Navy Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2012.11.23 17:21:00 -
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Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:WarFireV wrote:So I heard this was another topic that quickly became about -A- by randoms. Who? Oh you mean Against ALL Alliances?
No, it is Against ALL Coalition. Geez get it right. |
Shylari Avada
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
60
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Posted - 2012.11.23 20:30:00 -
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WarFireV wrote:Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:WarFireV wrote:So I heard this was another topic that quickly became about -A- by randoms. Who? Oh you mean Against ALL Alliances? No, it is Against ALL Coalition. Geez get it right.
Formed up of Corporations that are Against All Undocking. |
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Shylari Avada
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
60
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Posted - 2012.11.23 20:31:00 -
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Roderick Grey wrote:Shylari Avada wrote:Roderick Grey wrote:
I almost thought you were an idiot, until I saw your alliance.
Wait...
Long live Morsus Mihi, oh wait... I err... wait what?
That was directed at VooDoo... might have chopped that quote down a little too far. |
Rene De'Labou
S-Words And Snakes Shadow of Fate
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Posted - 2012.11.23 21:47:00 -
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You are correct in that I am a new player to EVE that I have also been in 7 corps. This is certainly an easy observation to make by just looking at my profile. Its what is between the lines that really counts. I have left NPC corps because they are boring and I want more to do than mission running. I have been in a number of corps promising activity and experience, and if that experience is being a virtual funeral home in a virtual ghost town then they lived up to their recruitment promises. Another promised some of the indy and mining I was interested in but its main interest was low sec piracy and harassment. Then a few others where 1 and 2 person corps that merely existed for tax dodging, one of which I found myself thrust into the position of CEO when just about everyone quit. Crossing your fingers and hoping the corp you join became tedious and annoying, add the subscription I pay for EVE on that and had to assess just what experience I was getting out of the game.
This is not the EVE experience I wanted or would continue on with, so in order to have the experience I wanted I would have to craft it. So I formed this corp and found an alliance where collaboration and content development are important. Driving that particular hammer home, I wanted a place where people could work together and build something while coming up with ways to keep the membership engaged, not simply reacting to the environment.
Now I noticed some folks from -A- came in here immediately writing off my opinion and open invitation to be apart of something actually new. They saw it as direct attack on -A-, this is mere vanity. First off, my critiques and invitation were never directly or indirectly aimed at -A-. That's not my purpose here. My goal is to reach out to those pilots who face the same problem I did and want to break out of that cycle. To go and convince a bitter veteran indoctrinated the "Time and Skill Point Caste System" is tantamount to ice skating up hill. Much like Goldfish, these particular players will never tire of swimming past the same castle, except its out of willful ignorance rather than a 3 second memory. I can't help you, I can't convince you and I can't have your attitude chipping away at what we are trying to build.
So maybe you don't take me up on my offer even to check out my corp, alliance or another group in the same position with the same outlook. At the very least perhaps your group collectively reexamines itself, decides that switching the same 5 leaders around is in fact merely switching deck chairs on the Titanic. Then that's fine as well, and while my alliance doesn't plan to be blue to everyone and their mother in Null Sec, perhaps we can work together on occasion, be good neighbors and enjoy some good fights. There is nothing against the rules of having amicable adversaries you can talk to, and at the same time compete against. Certainly bitter rivalries will always exist and we will all have our heroes and villains to raise up, but I think my offer and my opinion are better than merely accepted the status quo as an eternal modus operandi. |
Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
1989
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Posted - 2012.11.23 22:04:00 -
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Unfortunately super coalitions have been taking for for a while now. Combat in a PvP game is hardly at the top their list of things to do. More like who can have the most friends, pets, blues, neutral blues, etc. A combat oriented alliance/corp may be pound for pound the stronger group; but when a 60,000 pound fat, chip devouring, moms basement dwelling nerd sits on you; there is nothing you can do. vOv
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
VooDooPimp
Macabre Votum Against ALL Authorities
12
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Posted - 2012.11.23 22:08:00 -
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Rene De'Labou wrote:Now I noticed some folks from -A- came in here immediately writing off my opinion and open invitation to be apart of something actually new. They saw it as direct attack on -A-, this is mere vanity. First off, my critiques and invitation were never directly or indirectly aimed at -A-.
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Let me start by saying It was not "some folks from -A- " it was just me. Second , how did you arrive at this being a "direct attack or vanity". I'm a simple PVP guy who made a personal observation. My problem was not w/ your idea, rather the person putting it forth. Don't get me wrong, you may be a wonderful human being, but your still a complete noob. Just because I read a book on Julius Caesar does not mean I'm ready to rule Rome. Furthering my point is the fact you could not look past the Elite forum trolls and immediately believe that because I'm in -A- my opinion would not matter.
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WarFireV
The Maverick Navy Against ALL Authorities
74
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Posted - 2012.11.23 22:38:00 -
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Everyone knows only I can speak the word of -A- on COAD.
And the word for today is,"aplomb" |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
935
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Posted - 2012.11.23 23:12:00 -
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Roderick Grey wrote:Shylari Avada wrote:Roderick Grey wrote:
I almost thought you were an idiot, until I saw your alliance.
Wait...
Long live Morsus Mihi, oh wait... I err... wait what?
Shitposting thunderdrome! All posts enter, no posts leave! |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
935
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Posted - 2012.11.23 23:17:00 -
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For the record, the reason that your account age is working against you here is because if you were older or had read the histories you'd realize that this is roughly the 4th or 5th time Eve nullsec has polarized into a few large groups controlling a good chunk of everything. At some point someone is going to mess up bad and collapse into a pile of drama and exploded ships and the grand melee will be entered into once again.
But at the moment many of the "Big players" have been at near constant deployment and war for well over a year, and it's going to stagnate for a bit while we all go home and rebuild our fortunes.
This stagnation/slowdown is usually the point when serious diplomatic incidents occur which usually destabilizes someone or some thing.
It's a cycle is basically what I'm saying. |
Shylari Avada
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
60
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Posted - 2012.11.23 23:44:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:For the record, the reason that your account age is working against you here is because if you were older or had read the histories you'd realize that this is roughly the 4th or 5th time Eve nullsec has polarized into a few large groups controlling a good chunk of everything. At some point someone is going to mess up bad and collapse into a pile of drama and exploded ships and the grand melee will be entered into once again.
But at the moment many of the "Big players" have been at near constant deployment and war for well over a year, and it's going to stagnate for a bit while we all go home and rebuild our fortunes.
This stagnation/slowdown is usually the point when serious diplomatic incidents occur which usually destabilizes someone or some thing.
It's a cycle is basically what I'm saying.
I have a dream where nullsec will be a freeport utopia free of standings and NAP agreements... immediately after a moongoo nerf. |
Pyotr Kamarovi
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
13
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Posted - 2012.11.24 06:41:00 -
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In today's news, interesting thread by a new player trying to become involved in the metagame devolves into the same terrible shitposting war that every other thread in CAOD is. |
Proletariat Tingtango
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
173
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Posted - 2012.11.24 08:16:00 -
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