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Pinky Feldman
Gank Bangers Moar Tears
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Posted - 2012.11.28 23:39:00 -
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Threads like this are an absolute joke and save for a few reasonable posters whose comments always get glossed over and ignored, I see the typical smattering of misinformation, badposting, and propaganda from all the usual players, whether they are regulars or different names filling the same tired role.
I could say that the Amarr leadership is more organized from what i've seen then the Minmatar is, and by all accounts I could find enough evidence to support that comment, but i'm not going to because it would just keep following the same trend of badposting that I see when Minmatar say the same thing about Amarr leadership.
The myth of cohesion - The reality of the situation is that both militias have been on a similar level of cooperation and cohesiveness for several months now, the only difference is that the Minmatar have solidly held the warzone so regardless of what is actually happening behind the scenes its easy for public opinion to be swayed into thinking that any decisions made are the right ones, even delusional notions filled with hubris and the continued belief that a militia's ability or will to fight has more than token impact on the warzone as a whole. The truth behind the mechanics is that fights are irrelevant and having people willing to PVE across all timezones is main mechanic behind warzone control is this. The fact that an intermilitia conflict such as LNA wardeccing UK, still has a net positive impact for all of the involved parties, is the most recent proof of this. The Minmatar militia still gets a system plexed up to vulnerable by UK, some of the most active plexers within the militia. LNA has more targets to gank since they actively gave up trying to fight actual engagements and with LNA and UK fighting each other, there are fewer fights for Amarr US TZ to look forward to so they have less reason to log in. I'm still waiting to hear Susan Black spin this into some ridiculous story about how this was some brilliant upper-level Minmatar leadership plan.
In Amarr US TZ, you see a very disorganized Minmatar militia with lots of docked pilots and lots of disorganized gangs or people docked up refusing to fight our organized gangs, large groups of Minmatar that if they actually united could give some pretty good fights, ironically the exact same thing that EU TZ Minmatar criticizes about EU TZ Amarr. Yet, because the Minmatar are winning, this can all be justified as a winning strategy under the guise of denying the Amarr fights or reasons to fleet up together. The point i'm making here is that when your side is winning anything can be said or done under the pretense of brilliant strategy and metagaming. You could self-destruct entire fleets and as long as your side is still winning the warzone at the end of the day call it superior strategy.
The truth about the SFI blob - I see people twist complaints about fighting SFI blobs into commentary about how the Amarr seem to be unable to counter it or how the lack of enthusiasm on the Amarr side to fight SFI blobs translates into the SFI being symbolic of the unwavering terror of the Minmatar militia. Reality check inbound. An all SFI fleet is easy to counter and has been countered for months, ironically a lot of this is because lacking SFIs of our own, many in the Amarr have been forced to actually construct fleet concepts requiring thought (which is why I enjoy fighting D'K and U'K since their lack of SFIs force them to be innovative. UK's recent BB heavy fleets and Jessie Arr's baitbird were fantastic, as were Sicarius' RR Canes that hazed a cruiser fleet) and if someone doesn't get excited about fighting SFIs, its because after losing several fleets to all SFI fleets and winning even more fights against all SFI fleets, the excitement level becomes somewhere between fighting a Drake fleet in nullsec and a Fweddit Thrasher gang. A corpmate of mine put it best when, after taking a month off of EVE logged in and took a few fleets out killing a few LNA SFI fleets before saying, "I remember why fighting LNA and FW was so boring." and going back on break. Though, once again i'm sure being boring and unoriginal PVPers is all part of some master plan right? o\
Ignoring the propaganda and misinformed - A lot of the complaining I see comes from people who are inactive and known badposters like Cearain. The other complaining I see comes from people who aren't in the leadership channels and are understandably frustrated at the situation, but don't have the full picture, so instead they assume nothing is being done behind the scenes just because everything wasn't posted publically. The Amarr don't have a single leader calling all of the shots or central figurehead, nor is every group super-best friends, but that isn't indicative of a lack of willingness to cooperate. The reason that many within the Minmatar don't see this cohesion at work is because whenever we form up and actually work together to potentially get some great fights, the Minmatar all stand down and magically disappear, yet despite not getting fights, the Amarr still form 50-100 man gangs when they are called for because supporting each other is important, so don't act like they don't exist just because you refuse to fight them.
The Amarr are entirely capable of forming up to fight Annah Kitheran chestbeating fleets, but there is little reason to organize people and tell them to log on to fight a fleet that you know will stand down and refuse to fight the second you do. Stop acting like the reason you don't see large Amarr fleets is because they don't work together, when you know very well the main reason you don't see them is because you won't fight them.
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Tiberius Murderhorne
CONTRATTO Equinox Rising
39
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Posted - 2012.11.29 12:25:00 -
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Pinky dropped the bomb! The truth right there....
Im looking forward to the return to fw... soon my prettys soon.... Disclaimer : My posting does not always reflect my Corps views or my allience views.... Infact sometimes it does not even reflect my views! |
Colt Blackhawk
The Forsworn Protectorate Imperial Protectorate
5
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Posted - 2012.11.29 13:15:00 -
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Yep Pinky got the point. The minnies run always when they do not outnumber us minimum 2:1. In reality they are mostly craven. They completely fear to loose ships. Remember when a guy (yeah he is great and crazy) from amarr militia jumped into a plex in his shiny gila with about 15 (!!!!!!) Minmatar frigs and destroyers and.... they ran away. 15 frigs and dessies vs 1 shiny gila. And why? Because every one of the minnies feared that the gila could kill 3or 4 ships before it gets down. The difference between amarr and minmatar militia is only that amarr sometimes even fight even when they know they won-¦t win (simply for fun and lolz) and minmatar always run away when they aren-¦t 100% sure they will win. And of course the biggest difference is: Numbers. They have tons of pilots. We don-¦t have. What is also unnerving: Sometimes minnies engage or try to get engaged in 1:1 numbers. That is always suspicious. Why? Because if this really happens that means there are even more minnies waitting to blob in the next system or minimum 2 or 3 loki boosters around^^ They would never take a fight voluntarily when they aren-¦t 100% sure to win. |
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Angry Mustellid Iron Oxide.
273
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Posted - 2012.11.29 14:23:00 -
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Colt Blackhawk wrote:Yep Pinky got the point. The minnies run always when they do not outnumber us minimum 2:1. In reality they are mostly craven. They completely fear to loose ships.
While I agree with some of your points and I find the blobbing mentality thoroughly boring, I think you are simplifying the problem. With many bored pilots sitting around once there is intel of a fleet around everyone and their mum Xes for a fleet and many FCs are reluctant to reject pilots, which leads to a blob.
I know sometimes blobbing is used intentionally as a strategy to achieve something within the FW mechanics if that is perceived to be more important than a GF. There are still occasions where for whatever reason despite being in a system that allows pilots to earn x00 m ISK / hr there is huge risk aversion, I don't really understand that.
Also I fail to see the advantage of a 2nd or 3rd loki booster, maybe I am doing it wrong? |
Colt Blackhawk
The Forsworn Protectorate Imperial Protectorate
5
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Posted - 2012.11.29 15:03:00 -
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Quote:Also I fail to see the advantage of a 2nd or 3rd loki booster, maybe I am doing it wrong?
No. I exxaggerated. To make it really clear. But being shot from an ac sfi at 50km and scrambled at 32km is somehow....unnerving? |
AndromacheDarkstar
Fiscal Fisting Inc. Imperial Protectorate
203
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Posted - 2012.11.29 15:10:00 -
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IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:[quote=Colt Blackhawk]Yep Pinky got the point. The minnies run always when they do not outnumber us minimum 2:1. In reality they are mostly craven. They completely fear to loose ships.
ItGÇÖs a tough one, Pinky definitely has a good point. Our alliance tried to grab fights as much as we can but whenever we do it does seem to be a case of being out blobbed or hot dropped. I can think of a number of times recently, having our cruiser gang dropped on by an archon, bhaalgorn BS and BC fleet after they had re-shipped from stabbers to take us on. The other day we took out a baddon fleet only to have twice our numbers show up in faction battleships. We frequently have Dreads dropped on undocks and archons on camps.
The thing is im kind of confused as to whether or not this is a valid complaint, the thing is we are at "war" and therefore the aim is to win, if you have more assets and more pilots should you have to gimp yourself to make it equal? what would I do in their position?
ItGÇÖs a shame for us because I think our alliance has reached the point where we donGÇÖt really want to field our BC/BS fleets with logi ect as much because no matter what we do we cant really win, they have more pilots more isk and bigger ships to drop on us and a much more experianced player base, so we stick to frigates and destroyers and occasionally crusiers and get much better results. Now from an EU TZ persepecitve it seems we were the only people fielding these larger fleets around our area (please correct me if you think im wrong, hell get in touch with me and we can work together) so unless someone steps up the minmatar arnt going to be able to have those bigger fights which is a real shame.
And like pinky says the times where we get a chance at a fair fight it realy does seem like you guys dock up and wait. Its not all bad for Amarr though, recently we have had some fantastic team work (agony/Iprot/Fweddit pos defense fleet) and maybe given a bit more time we can get people working together forming fleets a bit more and maybe being abel to counter minmatar numbers.
Fiscal Fisting Inc.-áAmarr Militia Corp Recruiting EU TZ PVP pilots now Also Looking for EU PVP corps to join-áa growing-áAmarr-áFW-áalliance
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Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
177
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Posted - 2012.11.29 17:15:00 -
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People like to win and dont like to lose, it really is that simple sometimes. As much as people may want it to be different unless you have an RvB style 'equal sides' arrangement its never going to stop being an issue and I cant see that happening any time soon.
Its something we're as guilty of as anyone else who flies in the areas involved but its something you just have to deal with. |
AndromacheDarkstar
Fiscal Fisting Inc. Imperial Protectorate
209
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Posted - 2012.11.29 17:46:00 -
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Darek Castigatus wrote:People like to win and dont like to lose, it really is that simple sometimes. As much as people may want it to be different unless you have an RvB style 'equal sides' arrangement its never going to stop being an issue and I cant see that happening any time soon.
Its something we're as guilty of as anyone else who flies in the areas involved but its something you just have to deal with.
talking of which you popped one of our dreads last night, good work with that. Fiscal Fisting Inc.-áAmarr Militia Corp Recruiting EU TZ PVP pilots now Also Looking for EU PVP corps to join-áa growing-áAmarr-áFW-áalliance
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Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
112
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Posted - 2012.11.29 18:42:00 -
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Heh, nice one Pinky. That shut them up right fast. |
AndromacheDarkstar
Fiscal Fisting Inc. Imperial Protectorate
216
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Posted - 2012.11.29 18:58:00 -
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Aldrith Shutaq wrote:Heh, nice one Pinky. That shut them up right fast.
id at least give people some more time to reply before posting that Fiscal Fisting Inc.-áAmarr Militia Corp Recruiting EU TZ PVP pilots now Also Looking for EU PVP corps to join-áa growing-áAmarr-áFW-áalliance
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Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
112
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Posted - 2012.11.29 18:59:00 -
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AndromacheDarkstar wrote:Aldrith Shutaq wrote:Heh, nice one Pinky. That shut them up right fast. id at least give people some more time to reply before posting that
It's been 18 hours, seems like a while to me. |
Anya Lunebleu
Royal Order of Security Specialists Late Night Alliance
17
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Posted - 2012.11.29 19:33:00 -
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Amarr > Minnie fight us on their own terms - not our terms. Minnie Suck! Now take that!
Minmatar > kkthxQQ
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Zarnak Wulf
Imperial Outlaws
753
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Posted - 2012.11.29 20:23:00 -
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Anya Lunebleu wrote:Amarr > Minnie fight us on their own terms - not our terms. Minnie Suck! Now take that!
Minmatar > kkthxQQ
Trinkets Friend really raised the bar for you. I demand more intelligent trolling. |
uredo
Space-Brewery-Association 24eme Legion Etrangere
16
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Posted - 2012.11.29 20:35:00 -
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Pred just look at the mess you have made here.
Bad boy. |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
677
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Posted - 2012.11.29 21:34:00 -
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Pinky Feldman wrote:.... The myth of cohesion - The reality of the situation is that both militias have been on a similar level of cooperation and cohesiveness for several months now, the only difference is that the Minmatar have solidly held the warzone so regardless of what is actually happening behind the scenes its easy for public opinion to be swayed into thinking that any decisions made are the right ones, even delusional notions filled with hubris and the continued belief that a militia's ability or will to fight has more than token impact on the warzone as a whole. The truth behind the mechanics is that fights are irrelevant and having people willing to PVE across all timezones is main mechanic behind warzone control is this. .
I think you are saying that the occupancy mechanics are largely a pve mechanic which is by and large seperate from the pvp. In that case I think you are starting to understand the problem with faction war.
Pinky Feldman .....[b wrote:Ignoring the propaganda and misinformed[/b] - A lot of the complaining I see comes from people who are inactive and known badposters like Cearain. .
Just because I do not agree with your ideas does not make me a "badposter." Is there some claim I made that you think is bad?
Really there is no need for name calling, I actually think we agree on allot of things.
Pinky Feldman wrote: .... The reason that many within the Minmatar don't see this cohesion at work is because whenever we form up and actually work together to potentially get some great fights, the Minmatar all stand down and magically disappear, yet despite not getting fights, the Amarr still form 50-100 man gangs when they are called for because supporting each other is important, so don't act like they don't exist just because you refuse to fight them.... The Amarr are entirely capable of forming up to fight Annah Kitheran chestbeating fleets, but there is little reason to organize people and tell them to log on to fight a fleet that you know will stand down and refuse to fight the second you do. Stop acting like the reason you don't see large Amarr fleets is because they don't work together, when you know very well the main reason you don't see them is because you won't fight them.
It is hard to find a fight in faction war when you have a fleet of 50-100 pilots. Yes it happens, but you will spend allot of time online in between those fights.
This is not some secret truth, that you are now revealing. It is well recognized truth since fw started. It may be new to you but that is only because you are new to faction war.
Pinky your post and the others responding to it have been posted over and over about faction war since it started. Really you can go back through years of threads where people complain that they had a fleet with no enemy and then both sides claim the other won't fight unless outnumbered etc. We don't need to shift another thread to this topic.
Bottom line: Until they make the actual occupancy mechanic something that really drives the pvp then this will continue to be the case. I think you are starting to understand the truth in this.
But we will likely disagree about what sort of pvp it should cause. I think the pvp generated should be based on several smaller gangs pvping in plexes throughout the fw area. You will likely think it should involve the side with the largest fleet being able to dominate. I think we already have that in sov null sec. But really at this point it's a high class theoretical problem. Because right now, as you point out, the occupancy war is won by the side that can convince the most people to go pve in plexes.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
677
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Posted - 2012.11.29 21:38:00 -
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kraiklyn Asatru wrote:Cearain wrote:Vordak Kallager wrote:When a system falls for the Amarr,... Talk about digging up the past. When was the last time that happened? Since minmatar had to start actually killing the rats instead of speed taking them, have they fully plexed and taken a single system? Due to the longstanding imbalances in npcs amarr are used to having to kill all the rats. It seems playing by the same rules does not suit minmatar. Don't worry it will happen :)
There is no question that minmatar are waiting until they no longer have to plex like the amarr had to plex for years. That is killing all the numerous rats.
Once the rat spawns are reduced to a single rat I anticipate we will see more plexing from the minmatar.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
179
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Posted - 2012.11.29 22:52:00 -
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AndromacheDarkstar wrote:Darek Castigatus wrote:People like to win and dont like to lose, it really is that simple sometimes. As much as people may want it to be different unless you have an RvB style 'equal sides' arrangement its never going to stop being an issue and I cant see that happening any time soon.
Its something we're as guilty of as anyone else who flies in the areas involved but its something you just have to deal with. talking of which you popped one of our dreads last night, good work with that.
we do try, we do try :) |
Gunship
FATAL Warfare
7
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Posted - 2012.11.30 00:09:00 -
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The mini have more numbers and are better org. than the amarr
we are trying though Come join us for Amarr FW pvp-áaction. More info here:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2145548&#post2145548
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kraiklyn Asatru
T.R.I.A.D
55
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Posted - 2012.11.30 00:51:00 -
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Cearain wrote:kraiklyn Asatru wrote:Cearain wrote:Vordak Kallager wrote:When a system falls for the Amarr,... Talk about digging up the past. When was the last time that happened? Since minmatar had to start actually killing the rats instead of speed taking them, have they fully plexed and taken a single system? Due to the longstanding imbalances in npcs amarr are used to having to kill all the rats. It seems playing by the same rules does not suit minmatar. Don't worry it will happen :) There is no question that minmatar are waiting until they no longer have to plex like the amarr had to plex for years. That is killing all the numerous rats. Once the rat spawns are reduced to a single rat I anticipate we will see more plexing from the minmatar.
Neglect to notice how Floss was taken? I was busy plexing that while posting that. |
Dan Carter Murray
236
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Posted - 2012.11.30 00:55:00 -
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kraiklyn Asatru wrote:Cearain wrote:kraiklyn Asatru wrote:Cearain wrote:Vordak Kallager wrote:When a system falls for the Amarr,... Talk about digging up the past. When was the last time that happened? Since minmatar had to start actually killing the rats instead of speed taking them, have they fully plexed and taken a single system? Due to the longstanding imbalances in npcs amarr are used to having to kill all the rats. It seems playing by the same rules does not suit minmatar. Don't worry it will happen :) There is no question that minmatar are waiting until they no longer have to plex like the amarr had to plex for years. That is killing all the numerous rats. Once the rat spawns are reduced to a single rat I anticipate we will see more plexing from the minmatar. Neglect to notice how Floss was taken? I was busy plexing that while posting that.
peak was about 45 of you in system with average of about 25. 5 people in the area to defend. grats on taking a system with 0 resistance.
THIS IS GOLD FLEET BROTHER. WE DON'T NEED NO ******* THRASHERS/SFIs/CANES. |
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kraiklyn Asatru
T.R.I.A.D
55
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Posted - 2012.11.30 01:21:00 -
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Dan Carter Murray wrote:kraiklyn Asatru wrote:Cearain wrote:kraiklyn Asatru wrote:
Don't worry it will happen :)
There is no question that minmatar are waiting until they no longer have to plex like the amarr had to plex for years. That is killing all the numerous rats. Once the rat spawns are reduced to a single rat I anticipate we will see more plexing from the minmatar. Neglect to notice how Floss was taken? I was busy plexing that while posting that. peak was about 45 of you in system with average of about 25. 5 people in the area to defend. grats on taking a system with 0 resistance.
The kills we got paint a different picture. Koza for one did a superb job. In the end that doesnt matter at all this was about taking Floss not about pandering to you. If you don't fight you'll just make it easier since it was a strategic goal. We didn't do it just for fun.
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Taoist Dragon
Forced Penetration Reckless Faith
82
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Posted - 2012.11.30 01:47:00 -
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FW is fine.
and it will still be fine after the patch....I don't see the changes making much of a difference. maybe getting more brawling going on with the button moving closer to warp in but not convinced...hopeful though.
The pvp/pve aspect is getting really old with some people continually re-posting the same crap over and over again. Give it a rest guys.
If pvp is your thing they go out and shoot ppl....if you want to pve and industry and stuff ?? then you can go out and do that. To me it sounds as if more than the fair share of FW guys wear way to many tinfoil hats with all the accusations and smoke and mirros crap going on.....get out....have some fights......plex a little.....get navy ships to fly/sell and have fun!!
now to repeat the important part
HAVE FUN! stop taking it so bloody seriously! That is the Way, the Tao.
Balance is everything.
I'm NOT a Pirate! I'm a privateer! |
Zarnak Wulf
Imperial Outlaws
757
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Posted - 2012.11.30 02:34:00 -
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This is the war room! |
Pinky Feldman
Gank Bangers Moar Tears
417
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Posted - 2012.11.30 03:44:00 -
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IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:Colt Blackhawk wrote:Yep Pinky got the point. The minnies run always when they do not outnumber us minimum 2:1. In reality they are mostly craven. They completely fear to loose ships. While I agree with some of your points and I find the blobbing mentality thoroughly boring, I think you are simplifying the problem. With many bored pilots sitting around once there is intel of a fleet around everyone and their mum Xes for a fleet and many FCs are reluctant to reject pilots, which leads to a blob. I know sometimes blobbing is used intentionally as a strategy to achieve something within the FW mechanics if that is perceived to be more important than a GF. There are still occasions where for whatever reason despite being in a system that allows pilots to earn x00 m ISK / hr there is huge risk aversion, I don't really understand that. Also I fail to see the advantage of a 2nd or 3rd loki booster, maybe I am doing it wrong?
To clarify, my comment wasn't so much to be commentary on who blobbed who, mostly that i've seen an increasing trend of less and less small gang and fleet fights. Specifically, the increasingly used tactic of "aggressive blueballing". With high-SP well organied groups like SP-DR leaving for Gallente, it ironically hurts the Amarr more than it does the Minmatar IMO, especially when you have a situation where the Amarr are being organized flying together while the Minmatar seem to be working less and less cohesively. My major complaint was i'm tired of hearing the continued propaganda about how the Amarr are terribly unorganized and never work together and don't get along. We fly together when needed and could fly together even more than we do currently, but then we would really never get any fights. More often than not, we don't fly together because we actually do want fights, so don't complain when we're not "blobbing" and you're getting fights. Likewise, when we don't have enough to pull together to fight one of your "blobs" don't try to create a myth about how we are afraid to undock when you guys are the same way.
I agree that many of us are "new" to FW so we don't have years of relationship pre-built, but that doesn't make our working relationships any less valuable or effective. I just stood down from a 70+ man Amarr fleet with noone to fight, despite the fact that between arzad/dal/bosboger/LNA/UK there were easily the number of pilots logged on to contest our gang, HOWEVER, i'm not going to make a snarky comment about how theyre scared to undock because its all part of the same tired rhetoric that people need to get over. Just because we don't have a single "lead" FC, doesn't mean we need one, especially considering that at least half of that 70 man fleet, including myself had never flown with the FC before, but we still joined and were ready to lose ships for him.
@Cearain - Yes I know the problem with a PVE based sov system and have for quite some time. Its why people who join the Amarr side for fights will log in if they hear there is a fight to be had, but don't get that excited when told they can plex a system for hrs with no fights and meager LP. New player retention for FW has always been something I have advocated greatly, but always gets silenced by kool-aid drinkers who insist that all the common complaints you hear from new players in FW aren't because of the mechanics, but because they're frustrated at facing a far superior opponent thus losing and losing isn't fun.
The reason I call you a badposter Cearain isn't because I disagree with the things you say, but its because you're one of the biggest Amarrian whiners in the history of ever. You whine about everything, even things that don't make sense to whine about or are completely and unfactually true. If you were more active, then things might be a different story, however, you complain and comment on things that you haven't been online for and your statements in themselves show how out of touch you are. I've heard you complain about how the Amarr militia not being willing to work together after spending the entire week flying in inter-militia fleets. Despite the fact that you do make good points occasionally, you are singlehandedly one of the biggest reasons its been so easy for the Minmatar to marginalize and poke fun at things the Amarr say and do. There can be 5 reasonable forum posts and all someone needs to do to derail the thread so it can go into troll mode is wait for you to post.
The moar you cry the less you pee |
Pinky Feldman
Gank Bangers Moar Tears
417
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Posted - 2012.11.30 03:46:00 -
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kraiklyn Asatru wrote:Dan Carter Murray wrote:kraiklyn Asatru wrote:Cearain wrote:kraiklyn Asatru wrote:
Don't worry it will happen :)
There is no question that minmatar are waiting until they no longer have to plex like the amarr had to plex for years. That is killing all the numerous rats. Once the rat spawns are reduced to a single rat I anticipate we will see more plexing from the minmatar. Neglect to notice how Floss was taken? I was busy plexing that while posting that. peak was about 45 of you in system with average of about 25. 5 people in the area to defend. grats on taking a system with 0 resistance. The kills we got paint a different picture. Koza for one did a superb job. In the end that doesnt matter at all this was about taking Floss not about pandering to you. If you don't fight you'll just make it easier since it was a strategic goal. We didn't do it just for fun.
I wish you guys were US TZ. :(
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Milton Middleson
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
175
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Posted - 2012.11.30 06:24:00 -
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I'll be honest. If I logged on and someone told me there was a 70-man Amarr fleet roaming around and we needed to form a fleet to go fight them, I would probably log off again.
Quote:I wish you guys were US TZ. You really know how to make someone feel appreciated. :P |
Asko Vilenius
Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant
0
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Posted - 2012.11.30 06:44:00 -
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Pinky Feldman wrote:With high-SP well organied groups like SP-DR leaving for Gallente, it ironically hurts the Amarr more than it does the Minmatar IMO, especially when you have a situation where the Amarr are being organized flying together while the Minmatar seem to be working less and less cohesively.
I cant help it if they are willing to move their whole alliance across space just for me. Or then they are just scared of possible fights in your space, seeing none of them undock without their multiple OGB's. Naturally their blob is not big enough for them either as it seems they have happily blued every local pirate group already
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Bengal Bob
Angry Mustellid Iron Oxide.
89
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Posted - 2012.11.30 13:03:00 -
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I can't understand how, given the Amarrian resurgence, it only takes a few of us to cause the Amarr to dock up in Kamela. Ning, Zen and I spent a couple weeks camping the Amarr in Kamela and disrupting the gangs attempting to plex in Lamaa with no real opposition developing. The minmatar can freely camp Kamela gates with no opposition, which doesn't seem like the Amarr are coming back strongly - at least in the EU TZ.
About the only time we were driven off was when a fleet was formed for that purpose, not for PVP, but several cruisers and battlecruisers to push off 3 or 4 frigs and dessies. THis normally takes several hours to form, and then closes within 30 minutes when we won't leeroy frigs into them.
I have also not seen a 50-100 man Amarr fleet since Nephilim left. Interesting stuff.
Amarr are free to chest beat, but when a few frig pilots are able to close down your home system, then clearly things are not going that well for you. |
Mehashi 'Kho
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
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Posted - 2012.11.30 13:50:00 -
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Asko Vilenius wrote:Pinky Feldman wrote:With high-SP well organied groups like SP-DR leaving for Gallente, it ironically hurts the Amarr more than it does the Minmatar IMO, especially when you have a situation where the Amarr are being organized flying together while the Minmatar seem to be working less and less cohesively. I cant help it if they are willing to move their whole alliance across space just for me. Or then they are just scared of possible fights in your space, seeing none of them undock without their multiple OGB's. Naturally their blob is not big enough for them either as it seems they have happily blued every local pirate group already All news to me.
There was me thinking we fancied a change from the minamarr warzone. I should have known our leadership was in fact scheming to stalk some random dude.
Fyi our "whole alliance" is our corp. Only now we have the potential to enter AT's should that be something we feel would be fun.
Blued pirates? Surprising news for both us, and the pirates who continue to fight us. Must be that pesky overview standings bug again... *shakes fist* As for OGB's I think you'll find most corps have two or three dudes with boosting alts, and many members without. If you favour removing OGB altogether I agree with you, whoever you are.
As for the state of the warzone, I can only offer a grunts perspective. The minamarr front had become a little stale, tending to fight the same guys in the same ships, having to blueball the same fleet comps/numbers etc etc. I mean this on both sides by the way, people just kind of settled into their way of doing things and stuck with it. That's not necessarily a bad thing if it works for them, but did leave things less than exciting a lot of the time. Things were on the turn as we left though, amarr in the EU timezone have started working a bit more cohesively, and the minnys have tried out some different fleet types which are both great signs for an interesting warzone again. I think to a newcomer or someone who's been away a while things would be pretty exciting about now with lots of potential for change on the horizon if people push for it.
It was a similar situation when we moved to minny from gallente, and as most fw participants realise the two warzones tend to swing from one way to the other. I certainly have no shame about returning home to gal/cal space again as the solo and skirmish action around here has really picked up and the few fights I've managed to get since returning (busy month at work unfortunately) have been great fun and an opportunity to fight new people in new ships, requiring new tactics and so on. I would expect it to be similar if a gal/cal corp switched to min/am in a couple of months time. "Refreshing" is the word.
Give it a month or two for leadership to re-establish itself (from reading some amarr posters I understand there is a slight power vacuum?), the new ships and balances to settle in and I think the minamarr warzone will be looking pretty healthy again for all the guys who like mixed and interesting pvp. If there are any ex amarr tempted to return I would say now is a great time to do so, with the expansion coming up there will naturally be a period of unrest and taking advantage of that to be established when things settle again would be a smart move.
Which ever side you are on, see you in space sometime! If you aren't on any side, join one, fw is awesome. ^.^ |
AndromacheDarkstar
Fiscal Fisting Inc. Imperial Protectorate
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Posted - 2012.11.30 15:06:00 -
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Bengal Bob wrote:I can't understand how, given the Amarrian resurgence, it only takes a few of us to cause the Amarr to dock up in Kamela. Ning, Zen and I spent a couple weeks camping the Amarr in Kamela and disrupting the gangs attempting to plex in Lamaa with no real opposition developing. The minmatar can freely camp Kamela gates with no opposition, which doesn't seem like the Amarr are coming back strongly - at least in the EU TZ.
About the only time we were driven off was when a fleet was formed for that purpose, not for PVP, but several cruisers and battlecruisers to push off 3 or 4 frigs and dessies. THis normally takes several hours to form, and then closes within 30 minutes when we won't leeroy frigs into them.
I have also not seen a 50-100 man Amarr fleet since Nephilim left. Interesting stuff.
Amarr are free to chest beat, but when a few frig pilots are able to close down your home system, then clearly things are not going that well for you.
I call bullshit on that, its takes allot to make us dock up and you will very rarely find our fleets in stations, we are usually whelping them into you guys Fiscal Fisting Inc.-áAmarr Militia Corp Recruiting EU TZ PVP pilots now Also Looking for EU PVP corps to join-áa growing-áAmarr-áFW-áalliance
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