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gr7hug
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Posted - 2005.03.22 14:41:00 -
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I have been doing lvl 3 missions in a Ferox for the past few months and have been looking to move on... Clearly everyone will say "Get a raven, do level 4"
Well I just want to say that I feel there is a step (difficulty / risk / reward) wise missing between lvl 3 and 4 missions.
In my level 3 missions, worst case scenario (for me) is fighting 3 mercanary commanders at once... this is the strongest foe I face.
From what I hear from my corp mates (all mission runners..) lvl 4 missions can have somthing like 10 BS npcs to kill.
Also I have read that the devs said that lvl 4 missions are designed to be run as a gang.
To me, it seems like there is a step missing along this progression. Should there not be some missions that have one or two BS enemies that someone could do with basic battleship skills (and a 1st tier (domi, scorp....) bs?)
Just seems like I am stuck doing easy lvl 3 missions until i either A. get a gang, or B. get 5 million more skillpoints... Seems like there should be something else...
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Zaintiraris
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Posted - 2005.03.22 14:44:00 -
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Do the bonus stage in an extravaganza. Kill the 500k battleship. Ker-ching :) ---
Originally by: CCP Hammer This game was so much better back before people knew math.
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Lodhi
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Posted - 2005.03.22 14:45:00 -
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Originally by: gr7hug I have been doing lvl 3 missions in a Ferox for the past few months and have been looking to move on... Clearly everyone will say "Get a raven, do level 4"
Well I just want to say that I feel there is a step (difficulty / risk / reward) wise missing between lvl 3 and 4 missions.
In my level 3 missions, worst case scenario (for me) is fighting 3 mercanary commanders at once... this is the strongest foe I face.
From what I hear from my corp mates (all mission runners..) lvl 4 missions can have somthing like 10 BS npcs to kill.
Also I have read that the devs said that lvl 4 missions are designed to be run as a gang.
To me, it seems like there is a step missing along this progression. Should there not be some missions that have one or two BS enemies that someone could do with basic battleship skills (and a 1st tier (domi, scorp....) bs?)
Just seems like I am stuck doing easy lvl 3 missions until i either A. get a gang, or B. get 5 million more skillpoints... Seems like there should be something else...
Question: Since when do u need massive amount of sp to fly a Raven? Since u said u were in a ferox i guess u got the skills for shield tanking. If u got those train up torps to L2 or sumething and go out have some fun :)
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gr7hug
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Posted - 2005.03.22 14:47:00 -
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Originally by: Zaintiraris Do the bonus stage in an extravaganza. Kill the 500k battleship. Ker-ching :)
I have only gotten this mission once, and i did not find a bonus stage.
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Seramis
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Posted - 2005.03.22 15:16:00 -
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Level 4 Misisons not always contain 10 or more Battle ships. There are a lot of Missions where u have to kill 5 Cruisers, or some Cruisers and some friggs, or 1 Battle ship with some cruisers/friggs. So the difference between the hardest level 3 and the easier level 4 is very very small. The easier level 4 Missions i fly in a Caracal or Moa, and they are easy to fulfill. The only problem is, that u cannot select what mission u get.
In Gurista Extravaganza there is an acceleration gate at the final stage (the stage where u have a lot of constructions (walls etc) u can destroy). If you activate this gate a message tells you that this gate is not part of the mission. And behind that gate u find Destroyer (750k Raven) and some Friggs/Cruiser/Sentries.
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Ruffio Sepico
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Posted - 2005.03.22 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: gr7hug
Also I have read that the devs said that lvl 4 missions are designed to be run as a gang.
Originally by: Zrakor
There are a few misconceptions here. First of all, the level 4 missions aren't intended for a group. At first we planned having them group oriented (during the earlier stages of exodus) but we quickly realized that this would be a mistake, as it was too much of a jump from level 3 missions and the neccessary features couldn't make it in.
Of course, this is all relative to the player. Some players need a group to complete level 4 missions, others don't. But until features are in place to make grouping in missions practical (such as the sharing of reward and standing) we won't be 'forcing' anyone to group in missions.
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Jim Steele
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Posted - 2005.03.22 15:45:00 -
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Edited by: Jim Steele on 22/03/2005 15:46:04 Its not that lvl4's are to hard its that lvl 3's are too easy in comparison.
Once you get a raven level 4's are easy, that said try them in any other bs and they are alot harder especially the deadspace missions.
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Bitter ice
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Posted - 2005.03.22 15:58:00 -
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When steping up to lvl 4.its handy to have a lvl 3 and lvl 4 agent in the same sistem.Then you can do some lvl 4.(easy ones-non DS)and decline hard.Then wait for 4.hours (doing lvl 3),so no standing hit
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Shinshi Casoyako
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Posted - 2005.03.22 16:18:00 -
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I tried the lvl 4 vengeance last weekend with a corpmate in a armor tanked apo. I was in a raven myself. It took us 2 and a half hour, cause nether of us did such a mission once. I think I might have been able to solo it though it would have taken me more time. Especially collecting loot.
I have done a lot of level 3 missions and I can say that none are very hard in an ferox accept mordus. The difference between lvl 2 and 3 is as big as lvl 3 and lvl 4. I cant remember shooting cruisers in a lvl 2 mission, but I get alot of them in lvl 3 missions.
The problem is that you cannot "overpower" yourself to fly such a mission. You can do lvl 2 in ferox, and lvl 3 in raven and never care about your ship. If you do lvl 3 in a ferox and find that easy than you will find lvl 4 missions in a raven also easy. Seriously Have I Not Said How I Can Assist Some One You Are Killing Online? |
Valerien
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Posted - 2005.03.22 16:21:00 -
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Do any of the lvl 3 mission rats have warp scramblers?
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Falbala
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Posted - 2005.03.22 16:25:00 -
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You can run L4 missions solo and with low skills and equipment but you will have to decline a lot and you will fail some, so you need to start with an administration agent.
This way you won't get too many kill missions then not lose too much standings when you fail.
You will succeed doing the easiest, and as your skills improve you will be able to try the more difficult ones until you can solo all. Then you will be able to move to a security agent and have mostly kill missions.
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Tribunal
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Posted - 2005.03.22 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: Valerien Do any of the lvl 3 mission rats have warp scramblers?
yes
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Valerien
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Posted - 2005.03.22 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: Tribunal
Originally by: Valerien Do any of the lvl 3 mission rats have warp scramblers?
yes
how would I found how which ones (besides actually waiting to get warp scrambled :P)
and would 1 warp core stabilizer be enough to thwart it or would i need more?
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GWRT
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Posted - 2005.03.22 18:16:00 -
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Originally by: Zaintiraris Do the bonus stage in an extravaganza. Kill the 500k battleship. Ker-ching :)
I always get a 1.2mil seraphim [GWRT] Giraffe With Repeated Thoughts
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MutationZ
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Posted - 2005.03.22 18:53:00 -
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Actually, when you get a mission with "10" battleships they usually come at different stages in the mission.
If they are on the same level of a complex the MOST you will ever have hitting you at once is three. This is do-able.
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Falbala
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Posted - 2005.03.22 21:57:00 -
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Originally by: Valerien
Originally by: Tribunal
Originally by: Valerien Do any of the lvl 3 mission rats have warp scramblers?
yes
how would I found how which ones (besides actually waiting to get warp scrambled :P)
and would 1 warp core stabilizer be enough to thwart it or would i need more?
In one mission it is stated that they can use Warp Scrambler but they didn't do it. You can also use ship scanner I guess to figure out their setup.
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Harry MacDougal
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Posted - 2005.03.23 00:46:00 -
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They tend to be worth about 30k, they use micro warp drives, and your ship goes blue. Mercenary Wingmen are one example, but you can look up your expected ships on eve-i.com, and it will tell you what their warp strength is.
I'm currently not having too much difficultly doing lvl3s in a Rupture, does this mean that lvl4s in a phoon or tempest should be doable? --------------
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Ruffio Sepico
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Posted - 2005.03.23 01:38:00 -
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Originally by: Harry MacDougal They tend to be worth about 30k, they use micro warp drives, and your ship goes blue. Mercenary Wingmen are one example, but you can look up your expected ships on eve-i.com, and it will tell you what their warp strength is.
I'm currently not having too much difficultly doing lvl3s in a Rupture, does this mean that lvl4s in a phoon or tempest should be doable?
I wouldn't use a tempest for level 4, not solo. Typhoon maybe...
People might moan about how good the Raven is for level 4 missions. But in the far far far far other end of the scale is a Tempest gathering dust. When you cant shield or armor tank very well, and your guns cant hit a barn without a lot of tracking enhancers. It somehow doesnt feel much safe to do level 4 in it
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S'Daria
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Posted - 2005.03.23 01:42:00 -
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Perhaps we'll need Level 3.5 agents?
Don't know why they don't just use the same rating for agents as they do complexes...1-10 - a level 3.5 agent would be 7 out of 10.
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Dhalannil
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Posted - 2005.03.23 09:46:00 -
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"Get a Raven"
Currently, I'm testing a megathron setup on SISI. I've done a few lvl4 missions like angel extravaganza, sabotaged... and everhting went smooth. IMHO, these missions are challenging but doable if you set your ship up right.
For the people who are thinking lvl4's over: go to SISI and test, have fun.
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Ralitge boyter
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Posted - 2005.03.23 12:06:00 -
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The diffrance between lvl3 in a ferox and lvl4 in a raven is not that big....
I made the switch my self only a week or so ago and I must say I like the ability to have fun with intresting misions and still make ~10 to 20Mil a day.
Of course you could make more and yes you could have a better setup and I am sure that it would be wise to have my raven insured but even in raven with so so skills the most difficult lvl4 misions like Rouge drones, Angel extravaganza, Vengance and so on are great to play (I do them all solo)
Your corp mates are right they are not simple and they take huge amounts of time. To get the hang of it do get a Raven or any BS for that mather and gang them when they go on these misions help them out and see how it is done. (I started at just above 4Mil skill points on these lvl4 misions and I have made all of them so far most within the bonus time no problem)
Oh, and believe me these lvl4 misions are the most fun you can have in a BS on your own...
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Toran Mehtar
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Posted - 2005.03.23 12:16:00 -
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Hardest lvl 3 - | - Small Gap | - Easiest lvl 4 - | | | - Big gap | | | - Hardest lvl 4
The gap between lvl 3 & 4 really is not that big.
Considering that you can now reject one mission every few hours without penalty, if you can fly a battleship (possibly even a battlecruiser is you don't mind getting bored whilst killing all those ships) then it's worth trying lvl 4s. Just ask somebody with experience to tell you what to expect from each mission.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2005.03.23 14:16:00 -
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Everyone knows ccp made a boo boo with lvl 4 agents by making them do-able by the mass majority of solo players.
Personally, I would like to see the risk-reward principle brought more into play where the lvl 4 agent currently are ramped down a bit and the rewards ramped down with them (so they are closer to lvl 3) and the lvl 5 agents being released that are much more in spec with the original aspects of lvl 4 (i.e. you need multiple BS to complete).
Currently everything is way too easy and there really is no risk for high reward in empire.
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Valerien
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Posted - 2005.03.23 15:11:00 -
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Yeah but not only between levels 3 & 4 but also levels 2 & 3. I used to do lvl 3 agents solo in my thorax pre-exodus, then I quit eve and came back only recently. Now I don't have the money or the skills to fly heavy assault cruisers which it seems is what you need for lvl3, and the lvl 2 missions are too easy and totally unprofitable... I just warp in, shoot some guys up in a few shots from long range, then warp out ingoring the loot because it's not even worth wasting the time. They should have left lvl 3 the way it was, but made it little less rewarding. then have more gradual increases in difficulty with gradually increases in rewards. Not this mess which seems to be based on the Richter scale where each sequential rating is 10-fold the strength of the previous rated earthquake
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Nanya
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Posted - 2005.03.24 21:40:00 -
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Originally by: MutationZ Actually, when you get a mission with "10" battleships they usually come at different stages in the mission.
If they are on the same level of a complex the MOST you will ever have hitting you at once is three. This is do-able.
No, I am sure I had a 5 > 1M bs group, no cruisers/frigs, yummy... but only once.
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Syzygy Three
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Posted - 2005.03.25 02:15:00 -
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Using a tier 1 BS as an example (solo Dominix, 2 lg accoms, 3 hardeners), level 3 mission are yawners, while level 4's can range from reasonably challenging to ridiculously difficult.
I wholeheartedly agree that there should be an intermediate step between L3's and L4's, or that some of the current L4's be made L5 and/or team-only. It's apparent to me that few of the missions are balanced with respect to one another in terms of difficulty, and that one has little knowledge of what to expect since the mission details can be rather sketchy. In fact, in the last mission I tried to do (mercenaries), the details said that I would be facing 6 ships or so, but when I warped to the encounter must have been at least a dozen. But I digress...
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Qayos
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Posted - 2005.03.25 10:08:00 -
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Originally by: Bitter ice When steping up to lvl 4.its handy to have a lvl 3 and lvl 4 agent in the same sistem.Then you can do some lvl 4.(easy ones-non DS)and decline hard.Then wait for 4.hours (doing lvl 3),so no standing hit
I tried this... problem is, you never get important missions this way.
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Qayos
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Posted - 2005.03.25 10:17:00 -
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Originally by: Valerien Yeah but not only between levels 3 & 4 but also levels 2 & 3. I used to do lvl 3 agents solo in my thorax pre-exodus, then I quit eve and came back only recently. Now I don't have the money or the skills to fly heavy assault cruisers which it seems is what you need for lvl3, and the lvl 2 missions are too easy and totally unprofitable... I just warp in, shoot some guys up in a few shots from long range, then warp out ingoring the loot because it's not even worth wasting the time. They should have left lvl 3 the way it was, but made it little less rewarding. then have more gradual increases in difficulty with gradually increases in rewards. Not this mess which seems to be based on the Richter scale where each sequential rating is 10-fold the strength of the previous rated earthquake
I did the same thing, went from having no trouble with Level 3's to getting my ass kicked in Exodus when I came back... then I learned the tricks of them, now I solo level 3 missions in my Thorax. Except Extravaganza and the Mordus one.
I did like the difficulty level of level 3's before better. They could have just given less reward and left them as is... I hate how EVERY frikin mission is a accelleration gate one. Sure they are kinda neat and different, but they should be like 1 to 2 in 5 that are accell gate IMO, not 5 in 5. Although the wave ones are worse, where the enemy just comes out of cloak on top of you, even though they dont have cloaking devices... that is just lame.
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Tamish
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Posted - 2005.03.25 16:31:00 -
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Level 4's are easy in an armour tanked Tempest but then im using tech 2 1400 Howies and blowing everything up in excess of 80K and smartbombing drones. Missions are Skills relative except in the case of a Raven where fewer skills are needed to fly the beast.
Level 4's are more fun in HAC's or Battlecruisers.
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Valerien
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Posted - 2005.03.25 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: Qayos
I did the same thing, went from having no trouble with Level 3's to getting my ass kicked in Exodus when I came back... then I learned the tricks of them, now I solo level 3 missions in my Thorax. Except Extravaganza and the Mordus one.
I did like the difficulty level of level 3's before better. They could have just given less reward and left them as is... I hate how EVERY frikin mission is a accelleration gate one. Sure they are kinda neat and different, but they should be like 1 to 2 in 5 that are accell gate IMO, not 5 in 5. Although the wave ones are worse, where the enemy just comes out of cloak on top of you, even though they dont have cloaking devices... that is just lame.
Hmm. You should write up some walkthroughs then ;) What is the standard way you go about those missions?
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