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Nyla Skin
Maximum fun chamber
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Posted - 2013.08.16 06:38:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Stitcher wrote:A separate chat would effectively make it an instance, really. I think we're all against that, right?
No that's not what an instance is. Jita isn't an instance because it has a seperate local from Perimiter.
Actually, that's precisely what it is. That's why Jita can go down and the rest of the eve stay up, hypothetically speaking.
Just because there is only ever one instance of Jita, doesn't change this. In after the lock :P -á - CCP Falcon www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
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Posted - 2013.08.16 06:59:00 -
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Little Dragon Khamez wrote:Iskander Phoenix wrote:I personally think this would be fantastic. It would actually give function to something that's been so far only aesthetic in eve. The avatars. The extension of the economy into new areas would be awesome. But I think they should just wait to do this till after the complete the core gameplay changes. Like pos and sov and the ship rebalancing. But after that! Then holy crap could this be great! Thing is though, you can balance ships indefinitely, if we wait for other things to get done, eve will be stuck in an infinite loop and no new content will be added.
If we count that there is no known progress in massive features like POS and SOV, which are ahead of WiS in the pecking order, the loop is already on us.
That, or suddenly we may find that 50% of EVE devs have been working on a "super secret cool plan" that justifies the little stuff being delivered with the 6-month updates and patches. The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! |
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
66
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Posted - 2013.08.27 16:27:00 -
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CCP Bayesian wrote:Back at the end of February CCP t0rfifrans announced Team Avatar and that one of our priorities was prototyping, specifically to: "...create playable gameplay prototypes of gameplay features and try them out within the team, and within the company... The purpose of all this prototyping is to make sure we provide a strong vision for avatar gameplay, have a good demonstrable idea of why it is engaging and better understand the technology we will need to create in order to make it a reality." The prototype itself has been finished and has been presented internally to the company stakeholders, the CSM and finally to the company as a whole. The feedback from that was overwhelmingly positive. So on to the information! ...
CCP Unifex wrote:It has been fantastic to see the Avatar team show everyone that there is meaningful gameplay using more than just your ship as your agent in the EVE Universe. The prototyping work they have done in Unity has allowed them to rapidly explore different themes and make a game which is challenging, fun and in the true spirit of EVE. ... So, all that being said, we have a great concept to expand the EVE Universe but now is not the right time for us to take that step. ItGÇÖs a step I very much want to take but I want to take it when it wonGÇÖt mean removing developers and focus from flying in space. So, for the time being, watch this space with regards to exploration gameplay for EVE avatars. The Avatar team will now be turning its attention to features it can put out for EVE in our winter expansion and beyond.
CCP t0rfifrans wrote:Hey guys, thanks for the positive reaction. Like stated above, our vision is to make the EVE Universe the ultimate science fiction simulator. Saying that EVE is just about spaceships, is a bit like saying that phones should only be about making voice phone calls one on one with other people. Indeed they did start out like that, but as technology evolved, they become something much bigger. We hope you guys stay with us long enough for that dream to materialize.
Oh and to someone that asked if it can be safe. Sorry, nope. The EVA gameplay is not safe, it's as safe as going into a wormhole. That's also what makes it interesting.
It's great to see that there are ppl working at CCP that do not think that "EVE is only about spaceships and eleet peeveepee" and are working on avatar gameplay. What a shame that people who could be working on it too and helping it being released earlier got laid off. Its not like CCP is facing economical problems and needs to cut on personnel expense.
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Flamespar
Woof Club
656
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Posted - 2013.08.28 00:56:00 -
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I dunno how I feel about this new EVE: Valkyrie game. Just feels like resources going into another game that isn't EVE.
The should do what Sony has done with the player studio and let players design the stuff for Incarna. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Stegas Tyrano
GLU CANU Open Space Consultancy
598
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Posted - 2013.08.28 01:10:00 -
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Flamespar wrote:I dunno how I feel about this new EVE: Valkyrie game. Just feels like resources going into another game that isn't EVE.
The should do what Sony has done with the player studio and let players design the stuff for Incarna.
Totally agree, it should be another/extension of the sandbox, CCP make the rules, add some assets and let the players do the rest. Herping your derp since 19Potato --á[Proposal] - Ingame Visual Adverts |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
2264
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Posted - 2013.08.28 02:11:00 -
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if CCP implement it the way I'm sure they'd like to, then Valkyrie will itself be exactly that - a different way for players to access the sandbox and then be left to do the rest.
Kwatz! You people are so negative. Do you seriously not get how this works? The EVE Sandbox does not have to be solely Internet Spaceships. Okay? It's like Narnia. Everyone knows about the wardrobe, but the kids in the books also got there on a train and by staring at a picture for a while. It was still the same Narnia no matter how they got there.
Doesn't matter if you're playing a Capsuleer, a DUST Merc or a Valkyrie pilot, you still wind up in New Eden, and New Eden is the sandbox. I don't understand all this pessimism surrounding the idea of having different lenses and modes of access to accommodate different gaming tastes.
I mean what's behind that? Do you think it's not going to work, in which case why not? Or are you just jealous about having to share the sandbox with more kids? An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Xytheus Skor
Venture Corporation
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Posted - 2013.08.28 02:16:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:if CCP implement it the way I'm sure they'd like to, then Valkyrie will itself be exactly that - a different way for players to access the sandbox and then be left to do the rest.
Kwatz! You people are so negative. Do you seriously not get how this works? The EVE Sandbox does not have to be solely Internet Spaceships. Okay? It's like Narnia. Everyone knows about the wardrobe, but the kids in the books also got there on a train and by staring at a picture for a while. It was still the same Narnia no matter how they got there.
Doesn't matter if you're playing a Capsuleer, a DUST Merc or a Valkyrie pilot, you still wind up in New Eden, and New Eden is the sandbox. I don't understand all this pessimism surrounding the idea of having different lenses and modes of access to accommodate different gaming tastes.
I mean what's behind that? Do you think it's not going to work, in which case why not? Or are you just jealous about having to share the sandbox with more kids?
Exactly. And think, if CCP had implemented Incarna properly, we would have all of this. But nope. |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
2264
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Posted - 2013.08.28 02:20:00 -
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CCP felt compelled to abort Incarna and go into tweak-and-polish mode for a few years. Recall, at the Fanfests after it the mere mention of WiS was enough to inspire booing. Any mention of it on the forums was met with similar negativity.
Fact is, I believe them when they say that what they produced was all they could produce in the available development time for a twice-yearly expansion schedule. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Rhes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.28 03:08:00 -
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raven666wings wrote:It's great to see that there are ppl working at CCP that do not think that "EVE is only about spaceships and eleet peeveepee" and are working on avatar gameplay. What a shame that people who could be working on it too and helping it being released earlier got laid off. Its not like CCP is facing economical problems and needs to cut on personnel expense.
After what happened when Incarna was released if there are people at CCP who think EvE should be about anything other than spaceships and the industry that supports them those people should be fired.
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Flamespar
Woof Club
657
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Posted - 2013.08.28 03:20:00 -
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Rhes wrote: After what happened when Incarna was released if there are people at CCP who think EvE should be about anything other than spaceships and the industry that supports them those people should be fired.
And like magic, an idiot appears. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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Teinyhr
A Club for Reputable Gentlemen
182
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Posted - 2013.08.28 05:06:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:CCP felt compelled to abort Incarna and go into tweak-and-polish mode for a few years. Recall, at the Fanfests after it the mere mention of WiS was enough to inspire booing. Any mention of it on the forums was met with similar negativity.
Oh? I'm pretty sure people cheered quite hard last fanfest when Hilmar asked "if they want to see the door open." And harder when he asked it again. Then stating nonchalantly "maybe next year." And I don't remember fanfest attendees ever booing at WiS related stuff, not even immediately after the fiasco. |
Taiwanistan
316
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Posted - 2013.08.28 05:11:00 -
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Flamespar wrote:Rhes wrote: After what happened when Incarna was released if there are people at CCP who think EvE should be about anything other than spaceships and the industry that supports them those people should be fired.
And like magic, an idiot appears. sorry to break it to you fella, add console dudes are not interested in emoting with you. TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."
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Rhes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
35
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Posted - 2013.08.28 05:35:00 -
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Flamespar wrote:Rhes wrote: After what happened when Incarna was released if there are people at CCP who think EvE should be about anything other than spaceships and the industry that supports them those people should be fired.
And like magic, an idiot appears.
And what is your fursona?
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Flamespar
Woof Club
658
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Posted - 2013.08.28 05:47:00 -
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The two previous responses illustrate why CCP will implement more content for avatars.
The best they can come up with is some gibbering nonsense about furries and emoting. Neither of which have anything do do with the suggested prototype.
Dribble on brave retards, dribble on. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Rhes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
35
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Posted - 2013.08.28 05:51:00 -
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Flamespar wrote:The two previous responses illustrate why CCP will implement more content for avatars.
The best they can come up with is some gibbering nonsense about furries and emoting. Neither of which have anything do do with the suggested prototype.
Dribble on brave retards, dribble on.
Actually CCP cares more about the massive drop in subscriptions that occurred right after Incarna than they do about people who want to turn Eve into a second-rate Second Life clone.
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Flamespar
Woof Club
658
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Posted - 2013.08.28 06:13:00 -
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Rhes wrote: Actually CCP cares more about the massive drop in subscriptions that occurred right after Incarna than they do about people who want to turn Eve into a second-rate Second Life clone.
And if you had an iota of intelligence and honesty you would know that the whole drop in subscriptions came after a number of years of underwhelming expansions and broken promises, for which Incarna with it's macrotransaction store was the final straw.
But please, continue to dribble. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
1684
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Posted - 2013.08.28 06:51:00 -
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Flamespar wrote:I dunno how I feel about this new EVE: Valkyrie game. Just feels like resources going into another game that isn't EVE.
The should do what Sony has done with the player studio and let players design the stuff for Incarna.
It feels weird to see how even new games are higher in the resource allocation list than old neglected EVE features.
My impression for 2013 being, is that CCP is below the power curve. They can't develop/fix EVE fast enough and are diverting resources elsewhere, which of course won't help EVE but may give CCP some financial room once the actual situation with EVE subscriptions surfaces (IMHO, they're re-selling the game rather than getting actual new subcribers, and guess how many times you can sell the same game to the same people before the bubble pops).
DUST is in "keep spending" mode and there is no hint of wether it will as much as pay itself back, ever.
EVE is being kept in support mode (pending to know details on "The Hallellujah Plan").
Old "top dog" features like POS and SOV are on the hold (and then The Hallellujah Plan would not be so much hallelujah if it was just "fix by 2015 what we said we would like to fix by 2013").
WiS has gone full Waiting is Stupid mode.
And of course, there's that little pending question about EVE not having an Executive Producer to undertake the dirty job of "reconciling business and creative needs to create an inspirational product with successful business model (...) lead overall development (...) work closely with publishing and operations activities (...) (be) responsible for the overall success of the title". (Stress mine) The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! |
Rhes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
35
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Posted - 2013.08.28 06:57:00 -
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Flamespar wrote:the whole drop in subscriptions came after a number of years of underwhelming expansions and broken promises, for which Incarna with it's macrotransaction store was the final straw..
You are literally arguing my point. CCP wasted two years on roleplaying nonsense and neglected Eve's core gameplay which resulted in them losing a ton of subscriptions. They aren't going to make that mistake again no matter how many furries whine at them.
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Sivney Quincannon
38
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Posted - 2013.08.28 07:53:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Little Dragon Khamez wrote:I've long suspected that CCP are secretly putting in 80% of their resources into non eve projects in order to diversify their income stream, whilst pretending to be busy with ui improvements and ship balancing.
I don't mind this as all businesses need multiple income sources to be healthy but CCP should come out and tell us the truth,that they've started working on something else. I thought wod development was completely cancelled, suddenly it's back on.
Essentially I agree with that. I think CCP has seen the writing on the wall for EVE and are readying themselves for a post-EVE scenario. I don't know what where the plans for DUST 514, but it looks like a new scion was implanted on an old trunk, and rather than bring new life to the trunk, the scion has been tainted by the old trunk and is drying. That begs the question, is it worth to keep adding stuff to EVE? Specially when the playerbase opposes everything not related to the old tainted complexity that pevents further development? You want to add a ship, that's four ships actually (1 per faction), and must be balanced against 200+ other ships b/c nobdy wants Supercaps 2. That doesn't helps innovation. And if you try to do something not entangled to spaceship gameplay... you're not welcome. Not at all. So at the moment, WoD looks a way more promising game than EVE. Of course, I am the happy happy joy joy kind and i seriously doubt CCP can get it right with WoD (hint: it's nice to attract female players, but the kind of testosterone riddled ubercompetitive gameplay sported in EVE won't keep them interested for long). But nonetheless, just by being a new PI and being aimed at a bigger and unexploited niche, WoD is way more promising. If I was an investor, would look at the bloody mess that it's EVE, the horrendous man-hours wasted just dealing with its nightmareish complexity, and would ask CCP to place my money on WoD. Wouldn't even comment on the price paid to have 3,000 guys online at DUST. Think of it, there are at last two massive old crap iteration efforts pending: POS and SOV. Compared to the scale of the last expansions, we're dealing with fishing killer whales with the same tools providing us sardines each 6 monrhs. And even by fixing those two isues, CCP would be pleasing less than 10% the playerbase (an improvement over the "lucky 1%" in last expansions), and also would be risking to break the game completely. There is no room left to innovation, player retention or playerbase increase for the next two years (the same as after Incarna)... unless CCP begins selling another game.
I may not completely agree with everyhing you've stated above, but I certainly agree that CCP should commit the vast majority of their resources on the development of WoD for the near future.
EVE Online may be around for many years to come, but the development of new projects (non-EVE related) will continue to be vital to the company's success over the next several years. It is the only way CCP will be able to compete with the next-generation MMORPG's like Everquest Next and Landmark. Heck, the future of MMORPG's is going to be determined over the next couple of years anyway. This is why we are seeing current project release dates for upcoming titles (ESO and Wildstar) being pushed back to next year or projects being completely reset (Blizzard's Titan) for a multitude of reasons that have plagued MMO's for years. Players are bored and scattered all over the place waiting and hoping that one of these company's will get a bloody clue. I personally hope that CCP can focus their innovated passion on WoD and be THAT company to finally produce a title that the majority of players will be willing to invest their time and money into.
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Taiwanistan
316
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Posted - 2013.08.28 08:54:00 -
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sorry if people are butthurt that the company places more emphasis on a shooter, in an attempt to grab some of that COD cash money, rather than a bunch of scrub dudes who complain about the aurem but still want to dress up and emote each other. TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
2266
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Posted - 2013.08.28 10:42:00 -
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Teinyhr wrote:Stitcher wrote:CCP felt compelled to abort Incarna and go into tweak-and-polish mode for a few years. Recall, at the Fanfests after it the mere mention of WiS was enough to inspire booing. Any mention of it on the forums was met with similar negativity. Oh? I'm pretty sure people cheered quite hard last fanfest when Hilmar asked "if they want to see the door open." And harder when he asked it again. Then stating nonchalantly "maybe next year." And I don't remember fanfest attendees ever booing at WiS related stuff, not even immediately after the fiasco.
LAST fanfest, yes. The one immediately after Incarna? They booed quite loudly. I was there, and I remember thinking "morons" to myself when they did. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Horus V
The Destined Drunken Hyena Association
30
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Posted - 2013.08.28 11:10:00 -
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Still waiting for WiS here and I dont care what people say and how long it's gonna take. I believe CCP will suprise us all even those biggest haters. Eveismuchbiggerthanthat |
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
66
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Posted - 2013.08.28 18:41:00 -
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Stitcher wrote: I don't understand all this pessimism surrounding the idea of having different lenses and modes of access to accommodate different gaming tastes. I mean what's behind that? Do you think it's not going to work, in which case why not? And why has EVE succeeded where any other take on the New Eden sandbox is so "obviously" doomed?
Or are you just jealous about having to share the sandbox with more kids?
I believe much of the pessimism around CCP latest efforts in expanding the EVE Universe are tied to the fact that they were half baked and poorly delivered, and the human resources/development/marketing choices made around them.
Rhes wrote:raven666wings wrote:It's great to see that there are ppl working at CCP that do not think that "EVE is only about spaceships and eleet peeveepee" and are working on avatar gameplay. What a shame that people who could be working on it too and helping it being released earlier got laid off. Its not like CCP is facing economical problems and needs to cut on personnel expense.
After what happened when Incarna was released if there are people at CCP who think EvE should be about anything other than spaceships and the industry that supports them those people should be fired.
Is this the official goons opinion about CCP Bayesian, Unifex, t0rfifrans and their teammates? What next, are you gonna suggest they should suicide too? ... lol betta check yorself before you wreck yoself, cause asking for mercy is bad for your health
Rhes wrote: Actually CCP cares more about the massive drop in subscriptions that occurred right after Incarna than they do about people who want to turn Eve into a second-rate Second Life clone.
CCP should care about people unsubbing when they actually buy PLEX and support the game, not when moon farming crybaby herds throw tantrums. Btw send my regards to Lord Mittler and tell him maybe he should get some puppies not infected with rabies brah that stuff'sdangerous and infectious |
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone Caldari State
1021
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Posted - 2013.08.28 19:37:00 -
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I have given up the hope to ever see WIS ,or EIS as some people say lately. But it is funny to see ,that nobody is whining about the failure DUST is and the fact that DEV,s are going to be taken away from EvE in favor for a new spaceshooter. And when it comes to a tiny Devteam ,working on WIS ,an EvE related feature the Goons are on fire. I don,,t think Dust did not had a very small team especially in the last year. Valkerie will be the same ,i guess.
But hey ,WIS is not coming ,So that Mittens guy and his Goons can go to sleep ,with no worries and dream about the next big ship.
R.S.I2014
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
1687
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Posted - 2013.08.28 20:59:00 -
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oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:I have given up the hope to ever see WIS ,or EIS as some people say lately. But it is funny to see ,that nobody is whining about the failure DUST is and the fact that DEV,s are going to be taken away from EvE in favor for a new spaceshooter. And when it comes to a tiny Devteam ,working on WIS ,an EvE related feature the Goons are on fire. I don,,t think Dust did not had a very small team especially in the last year. Valkerie will be the same ,i guess.
But hey ,WIS is not coming ,So that Mittens guy and his Goons can go to sleep ,with no worries and dream about the next big ship.
Hi old, nice to see you're still around! I too have given up hope to get Waiting is Stupid developed. I'm running my own "social club" thread and keep mining and running missions as before Incarna. CCP not doing WiS, I'm not thinking, just poking CCP.
DUST... I don't care. I would cry tears of blood if I had to care about all that effort and what it has delivered. Valkirie... funny, very funny. FiSers are actually thrilled to get reheated porridge for EVE and a new unrelated game for their sub money. Some are really easy to be outsmarted by CCP.
In the short term, I am waiting for CCP to annnounce their new development plan (I call it "The Hallellujah Plan", provided how Malcanis seems to think it''ll be good worth itt) so I can bash it as needed. It would be better for everyone if I could hope about the new plan, but CCP completely emptied the hope account, and are doing zill to refill it. The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! |
Rhes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
38
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Posted - 2013.08.28 21:10:00 -
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oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:But hey ,WIS is not coming ,So that Mittens guy and his Goons can go to sleep ,with no worries and dream about the next big ship.
Well that is a relief
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oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone Caldari State
1023
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Posted - 2013.08.28 21:29:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Hi old, nice to see you're still around!
For some strange reason i am used to be called Old butt ,but only Old is fine
So its waiting for a new game then ,developed for a device not yet on the market . Ooh well the ways of these Forums are very strange. R.S.I2014
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Flamespar
Woof Club
660
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Posted - 2013.08.29 01:18:00 -
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oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:I have given up the hope to ever see WIS ,or EIS as some people say lately. But it is funny to see ,that nobody is whining about the failure DUST is and the fact that DEV,s are going to be taken away from EvE in favor for a new spaceshooter. And when it comes to a tiny Devteam ,working on WIS ,an EvE related feature the Goons are on fire. I don,,t think Dust did not had a very small team especially in the last year. Valkerie will be the same ,i guess.
But hey ,WIS is not coming ,So that Mittens guy and his Goons can go to sleep ,with no worries and dream about the next big ship.
Yeah I find it odd too. CCP have three other projects at which they are throwing money, but it's avatars that will kill EVE?
Yeah right.
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Rhes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
43
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Posted - 2013.08.29 01:42:00 -
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raven666wings wrote:CCP should care about people unsubbing when they actually buy PLEX and support the game, not when moon farming crybaby herds throw tantrums. Btw send my regards to Lord Mittler and tell him maybe he should get some puppies not infected with rabies, that stuff's dangerous and contagious brah.
What is your fursona?
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
1689
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Posted - 2013.08.29 06:43:00 -
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Flamespar wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:I have given up the hope to ever see WIS ,or EIS as some people say lately. But it is funny to see ,that nobody is whining about the failure DUST is and the fact that DEV,s are going to be taken away from EvE in favor for a new spaceshooter. And when it comes to a tiny Devteam ,working on WIS ,an EvE related feature the Goons are on fire. I don,,t think Dust did not had a very small team especially in the last year. Valkerie will be the same ,i guess.
But hey ,WIS is not coming ,So that Mittens guy and his Goons can go to sleep ,with no worries and dream about the next big ship.
Yeah I find it odd too. CCP have three other projects at which they are throwing money, but it's avatars that will kill EVE? Yeah right.
That's called demography control, you focus on a population and please it as the rest leave the game. The customers you don't have, are not your business, literally. Want WiS? Hit the door. Want new stuff? Hit the door. Want the same old porridge, reheated over and over and served in biannual "iterations"? Kiss our sweet ass! Are you OK we spend your money not in your game but elsewhere? Here's our bank account!
The customers CCP doesn't have, they are not their business. And the more EVE players buy exactly what CCP delivers for EVE, the less trouble they'll have & the more they can focus on more promising business venues... or else.
Anyway I won't buy that Valkyrie will be OR only until CCP forces me to believe they're willing to go stupid and beyond... The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! |
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