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Mirima Thurander
The 8th Tribe Seraphim Dragoons.
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Posted - 2012.10.03 14:56:00 -
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I like the nightmare but its not an armor boat. A Dark time comes. A time of terror comes. My time. If it offends you. Stop me. |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.10.03 15:10:00 -
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bhaalgorn, vindicator. a mach can be armor tanked if you don't mind being hated.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Mirima Thurander
The 8th Tribe Seraphim Dragoons.
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Posted - 2012.10.03 15:15:00 -
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Daniel Plain wrote:bhaalgorn, vindicator. a mach can be armor tanked if you don't mind being hated.
Man from what I can tell pvp armor Tanks are just about a dead art now days if it don't have speed its left out And that just seams like broken game play. A Dark time comes. A time of terror comes. My time. If it offends you. Stop me. |
Danny John-Peter
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2012.10.03 15:19:00 -
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Mirima Thurander wrote:Daniel Plain wrote:bhaalgorn, vindicator. a mach can be armor tanked if you don't mind being hated. Man from what I can tell pvp armor Tanks are just about a dead art now days if it don't have speed its left out And that just seams like broken game play.
Well, thats not true.
Bhaalghorn Ashimmu Vigilant Machariel (Also, Armour machs are bitchin) Vindicator (Ownzone) |
Aptenodytes
Reckless Abandon
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Posted - 2012.10.03 15:54:00 -
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Mirima Thurander wrote:that just seams like broken game play. Just because something is not used often, does not mean it is broken.
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Mirima Thurander
The 8th Tribe Seraphim Dragoons.
306
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Posted - 2012.10.03 16:40:00 -
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Aptenodytes wrote:Mirima Thurander wrote:that just seams like broken game play. Just because something is not used often, does not mean it is broken.
It means is not as usefull, or that it sucks. A Dark time comes. A time of terror comes. My time. If it offends you. Stop me. |
Aeril Malkyre
Knights of the Ouroboros
98
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Posted - 2012.10.03 17:17:00 -
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The Mach is about dead split between shield and armor, and has 7 lows. I don't fit armor tanks much anymore, but it looks to be a hell of a candidate when you figure it... well that it's a Mach and it does stupid amounts of damage. You are sort of losing the maneuverability angle, and a rack full or TE's and gyros, but... it would work. |
Marcus Gideon
Federal Defense Operations Gentlemen's Interstellar Nightclub
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Posted - 2012.10.03 17:25:00 -
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"In general"...
Armor PvP is just a waiting game. The target has a set amount of HP to whittle through, and then they're toast.
Shield tanks are so disgustingly biased in this game, all because they refuse to offer any kind of passive regen for armor. |
Songbird
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Posted - 2012.10.03 17:32:00 -
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"Shield tanks are so disgustingly biased in this game, all because they refuse to offer any kind of passive regen for armor."
I can say it's all because they refuse to offer midslot damage mods :). Or they refuse to offer ancillary armor reppers...or they refuse to remove the speed/ agility penalty for armor mods and rigs... |
Exploited Engineer
Creatively Applied Violence Inc.
89
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Posted - 2012.10.03 18:51:00 -
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Songbird wrote:I can say it's all because they refuse to offer midslot damage mods :).
Tracking computers? Kind of ...
Armor, though, has a higher sum of base resists than shield. |
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Mirima Thurander
The 8th Tribe Seraphim Dragoons.
306
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Posted - 2012.10.04 00:54:00 -
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Meh u know armors done.for when you see armor based ships doing better when you shield tank them.... A Dark time comes. A time of terror comes. My time. If it offends you. Stop me. |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
380
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Posted - 2012.10.04 01:18:00 -
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Songbird wrote: "Shield tanks are so disgustingly biased in this game, all because they refuse to offer any kind of passive regen for armor."
I can say it's all because they refuse to offer midslot damage mods :). Or they refuse to offer ancillary armor reppers...or they refuse to remove the speed/ agility penalty for armor mods and rigs...
or lowslot ewar... wait, what?
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Squirrel Horde Habitat Against Humanity
117
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Posted - 2012.10.04 05:19:00 -
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The nightmare technically has enough slots to armor tank. You'd have to fly it as some kind of utility ship that also shoots things, like the armor ravens of yore. Triple rep Myrms are like what you'd get if you strapped a beehive to Robocop. |
King Rothgar
Black Watch Guard Gl0rious Bastards
310
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Posted - 2012.10.04 07:23:00 -
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I'll get all sorts of hate for this, but the cynabal actually armor tanks really nicely too. Armor is far from dead as well, anywhere you can dictate the starting range armor tanks do well. The Troll is trolling. |
Rel'k Bloodlor
Mecha Enterprises Fleet Villore Accords
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Posted - 2012.10.04 08:34:00 -
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IMO none of the pie ships tank they gank. Some have the slots to pull of a tank but often work best with a minimal tank and maxed DPS/Ewar. I am in Factional Warfare. Have been from day one.-á-áI will never work for a mega corp in null-sec. Do not make FW like null-sec. Were is the FW exclusive frigate sized ship? I see the cruiser and battle ship.......... |
Maeltstome
Caldari Deep Space Ventures Intrepid Crossing
100
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Posted - 2012.10.04 13:00:00 -
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Rel'k Bloodlor wrote:IMO none of the pie ships tank they gank. Some have the slots to pull of a tank but often work best with a minimal tank and maxed DPS/Ewar.
Not wholey true. They have insane EHP and fitting - meaning you can get reasonable buffer for little no no slot usage, and also rigs are more effective on them since they are % based.
Mach's can use ASB's really well and vindi's can dual-rep armor tank if you have 2 officer/deadspace reps. Failing that strap on plates to your PIE ship and wait to die ;) |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
4800
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Posted - 2012.10.04 15:05:00 -
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Marcus Gideon wrote:"In general"...
Armor PvP is just a waiting game. The target has a set amount of HP to whittle through, and then they're toast.
Shield tanks are so disgustingly biased in this game, all because they refuse to offer any kind of passive regen for armor.
Heh, it amuses me to recall the exact opposite being said a few years ago. MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |
Maeltstome
Caldari Deep Space Ventures Intrepid Crossing
100
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Posted - 2012.10.04 15:36:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Marcus Gideon wrote:"In general"...
Armor PvP is just a waiting game. The target has a set amount of HP to whittle through, and then they're toast.
Shield tanks are so disgustingly biased in this game, all because they refuse to offer any kind of passive regen for armor. Heh, it amuses me to recall the exact opposite being said a few years ago.
That's why i love ASB's - i've been sick of flying plated ships since the nano nerf. |
Azock
S0utherN Comfort
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Posted - 2012.10.04 18:57:00 -
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That isn't true. Armor and Shield tanking both have their advantages and disadvantages. Hellcats (Armor Abbadons) + Ahacs (Armor Zealots) are still a mainstay in fleet warfare to this day, because armor tanking is awesome. Super Capitals and Capitals armor tanking is the dominate tanking method. In the past it use to be all about Armor tanks, and only lately it has started to balance out where there are just as many, if not more in some regards, shield tanking fleets as armor tanking fleets.
Shield = More speed, higher Sig, less EHP (Usually) Armor = Slower, smaller sig, more EHP (Usually)
^ It changes a bit depending on the ships but overall that is generally the rule. Shield stuff is generally favored for smaller gangs or solo work because of their speed advantage. |
Aeril Malkyre
Knights of the Ouroboros
98
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Posted - 2012.10.04 19:48:00 -
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Since I'd never armor tanked a Mach (or many other ships) before, I played around with EFT a bit to see what happens. I have no idea why anyone would build this, but it's an interesting thought experiment. With the Mach's speed (even with plates) you can help dictate engagement distance.
109K EHP, omni resists 61-71%, tanks 419 for 1m 39s, 392 DPS/8505 Alpha 509 m/s, target range out to 189km, sig 340. Obviously have to pulse the reps to avoid wrecking the cap, stable with those off.
For comparison, a shield Mach that can use all the lows for damage projection, but tank slots for distance, is: 63K EHP, omni resists 48-74%, tanks 211 for 3m 39s, 648 DPS/10749 Alpha 553 m/s, target range out to 203km, sig 357.
So armor is almost twice as durable, but does much less damage.
[Machariel, Armored Sniper] Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Explosive Hardener II Damage Control II 1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II 1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II Large Armor Repairer II Large Armor Repairer II
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script 100MN Afterburner II
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP L [empty high slot]
Large Ancillary Current Router II Large Ancillary Current Router II Large Anti-Thermic Pump I |
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Ginger Barbarella
State War Academy Caldari State
161
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Posted - 2012.10.04 20:39:00 -
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Mirima Thurander wrote:Aptenodytes wrote:Mirima Thurander wrote:that just seams like broken game play. Just because something is not used often, does not mean it is broken. It means is not as usefull, or that it sucks.
No, it means either people are using unimaginative fits that other people tell them to use, or people with some imagination aren't posting their fits because goose-steppers will rage for it not being cookie-cutter. |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
773
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Posted - 2012.10.04 22:36:00 -
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Mirima Thurander wrote:Daniel Plain wrote:bhaalgorn, vindicator. a mach can be armor tanked if you don't mind being hated. Man from what I can tell pvp armor Tanks are just about a dead art now days if it don't have speed its left out And that just seams like broken game play.
Fly shield ships or just join another corp/alliance not flying anything else than zealots and armor T3's sorrounded by guardians.
You go there, then you s-l-o-w boat your thing, pick primaries and hit F1. It's just like shield fleets: you go there, then you turn on your MWD to get a nice capital sign radius (you never know, enemies might be blind), pick primaries and hit F1.
As you can see, diversity makes the game interesting, very interesting. brb |
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