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Anatheria
MOJO Mining Manufacturing and Moving
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Posted - 2012.10.03 11:30:00 -
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Hello,
Quick question. I have recently acquired a few extra accounts that'll switch between mining (afk money) and missioning (slightly less afk money). My question is would it be better to have 2 mission runners & 2 salvagers (noctis), 4 missionrunners or 3 missionrunners and 1 salvager?
Assume most relevants at IV and requireds at V with weapon systems at T2 and tanks are perma to avoid accidental blue explosions.
If you have suggestions on boats for this kind of thing feel free. Right now thinking something in line with CNRs. |
Framer Otsada
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.10.03 11:47:00 -
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2 ice mining that will yeld you max money no effort (ice mining), the best combat account with a good ship like nightmare on amarr space , machariel or marauders and 1 salvager behind. Best option will be FoF missiles ship that can tank whole rooms or drone ship (till the Ai will change then will be only fof) . Option will be get in , slow go to acc gate leaving the ship to kill things , then be on the salvager . |
Vith Rothe
Cadre Assault Force This is why we cant have nice things
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Posted - 2012.10.03 11:48:00 -
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I used to run 3 accounts in L4's... 2 bs + salvager was about perfect timing... so 2+2 would be overkill (salvagers would be done before bships were) 3+1 might clear missions faster than salvager could handle tho imo 2+1 and a miner/industrialist |
Cap James Tkirk
The Nommo
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Posted - 2012.10.03 20:05:00 -
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i do a 1+1 with my other accts mining or something none intensive like ice mining point click do something else ingame |
Bifordus Maximus
MissoCorp
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Posted - 2012.10.03 21:05:00 -
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4 accounts on 1 mission would be overkill and unnecessary. The 2 BS + salvager combo is the best combo and the other can be an industrialist/Miner or PVP. That is currently the setup I use. There are other more efficient ways but that requires having a knack for multitasking. |
Fango Mango
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.10.03 22:04:00 -
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If you're willing to run 4 accounts and mission why not run L5s
On average you should be able to run 4 missions per hour. The missions only take 2-7 minutes to complete, but you spend a fair amount of time moving between systems, changing out your hardeners, ect.
Payment wise that works out to 30->40 Million ISK in Mission payment 10-50 Million ISK in Bounty/Tags (depending upon the missions) 400->450 Million worth of LP
I don't link you're going to come anywhere near 500 million/hour running L4s no matter how you break it down
Ship Layout (1) Passive Fit Assault Frigate (2) Exequror to tank the mission (3) DPS fit Talos to deal damage (4) DPS fit Talos to deal damage
If you like to PvP, slap a point/scram on the talos and mission in a FW system. Nothings more fun that getting scanned down by a pirate thinking they get an easy mission boat kill.
If you don't like to PvP, mission in an empty system, and no one will ever bother you.
-FM |
Cage Man
Evil Guinea Pigs
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Posted - 2012.10.04 00:18:00 -
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If I could run 4 accounts at once I would probably send 2 mining. If you running a dual box pair of NM's or mach's you get very little change to do anything else but target shoot switch to second account, repeat... maybe as mentioned an missile boat with FOF's, but not really sure how much that will benefit the mission run times |
Anatheria
MOJO Mining Manufacturing and Moving
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Posted - 2012.10.04 07:23:00 -
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Thank you all for your suggestions.
The thing is I already have my main account for PvPing these would just be supporting accounts :)
And no, I wasn't planning on having 4 boats in a single mission, more likely a split of either 2 or three missions at once (multi tasking isn't that hard in missions..).
FoFs do a bit too low dps iirc to really be effective, though level 5 does sound interesting. Never attempted them before as people tend to do them in carriers (? o.O) from what I've heard. Though that setup you posted sounds rather in-expensive so wouldn't be too bad to run in low-sec. Could even lose it a few times without too much impact. |
John Ratcliffe
Sausy Sausages
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Posted - 2012.10.04 14:00:00 -
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Fango Mango wrote:If you're willing to run 4 accounts and mission why not run L5s
Because that requires you to go into LowSec where arseholes will scan you down and pop your fat loot pinata
The men waved their hats, the ladies their umbrellas. One felt they would have liked to touch the steel muscles of the most courageous champions since antiquity. Who will carry off the first prize, entering the pantheon where only supermen may go? |
Fango Mango
University of Caille Gallente Federation
49
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Posted - 2012.10.04 15:41:00 -
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John Ratcliffe wrote:Fango Mango wrote:If you're willing to run 4 accounts and mission why not run L5s Because that requires you to go into LowSec where arseholes will scan you down and pop your fat loot pinata
Lol . . . .
Spoken like someone who has never left a noob system and just listens to the "Aww don't go into evil low sec . . . every system has 10 thousand pilots with perfect scanning skills trying to scan down and pop your velator"
Most of low sec is very safe. Safer the high sec in my opinion. Try autopiloting your shuttle in high sec with a couple hundred million in the cargo hold and see how long you last.
All it takes to survive is a little bit of brains . . .
1) You have this thing called "D-Scan". It takes the "average" scanner 3-5 minutes to get a lock on you. All you have to do is hit it every minute our so and you will know before they can lock you. I can complete most of the missions in less than 5 minutes. Sometimes I hang out with a MWD drive after I complete the mission so that they can warp in and think they "almost caught me" 1b) There are players that will catch you in a couple scans. Know who they are and be more vigilant when they are in system.
2) You have this tool called local chat. Talk to people. If they are your friends they don't *usually* try and shoot you.
3) Fly Cheap. Even if there is a great scanner in system that you are not friends with, he's looking to catch a faction Battleship, T3, or capital. A gang of ships worth 200 million maybe is't going to get his attention unless he is VERY bored 3b) So what if he catches you and blows up one of your ships. You make 500 Million per hour. You could replace your ENTIRE FLEET twice per hour and still come out ahead.
4) Warp Core stabilizers when changing systems in hostile territory. The only real threat that you can't control is gatecamps. Use one of you ships to scout and mount Warp Core Stabilizers when you feel that a gate camp is likely (most gate campers aren't that smart, and it's easy to see them coming). When you get to your mission system refit to the combat fit.
All in all, over the last two hundred L5 missions I've flown with a 4 man gang Missions I've had to drop because I got scanned down(just come back and finish the next day) : 2-3 Ship I've Lost to Player Pirates : 0 Pirates I Killed by trapping them : 2 Assault Frigates/Exequror lost because I didn't run the mission right : 20-25 Talos lost because I didn't run the mission right : 2-3 Next profit - 17.5 Billion
Obvious the problem is figuring out how to run the missions, not dealing with Player Pirates.
-FM
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2012.10.05 00:34:00 -
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I currently use:
1. RNI, or Tengu 2. Rattlesnake 3. Rattlesnake 4. Noctis
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MastaKari
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.10.24 20:43:00 -
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Fango Mango wrote:John Ratcliffe wrote:Fango Mango wrote:If you're willing to run 4 accounts and mission why not run L5s Because that requires you to go into LowSec where arseholes will scan you down and pop your fat loot pinata Lol . . . . Spoken like someone who has never left a noob system and just listens to the "Aww don't go into evil low sec . . . every system has 10 thousand pilots with perfect scanning skills trying to scan down and pop your velator" *Snip* -FM
If you look at his kill board, he's talking from experience.
3.2bil navy raven.... |
Gibbo5771
RAM Legion DOT Reloaded DOT
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Posted - 2012.10.25 07:02:00 -
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MastaKari wrote:Fango Mango wrote:John Ratcliffe wrote:Fango Mango wrote:If you're willing to run 4 accounts and mission why not run L5s Because that requires you to go into LowSec where arseholes will scan you down and pop your fat loot pinata Lol . . . . Spoken like someone who has never left a noob system and just listens to the "Aww don't go into evil low sec . . . every system has 10 thousand pilots with perfect scanning skills trying to scan down and pop your velator" *Snip* -FM If you look at his kill board, he's talking from experience. 3.2bil navy raven....
And I bet its **** fit with Gist X XL Booster and CCC's |
Twoso
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.10.25 15:19:00 -
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the issue with L5s in low sec isn't getting your ship killed, its that you can be kept from missioning by the mere presence of others. if you've got a corp and backup, no worries, much easier. Doing it solo, esp multi-boxing, you're going to be spending a lot of time running, docking, and generally not missioning. |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.10.26 05:07:00 -
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MastaKari wrote:Fango Mango wrote:John Ratcliffe wrote:Fango Mango wrote:If you're willing to run 4 accounts and mission why not run L5s Because that requires you to go into LowSec where arseholes will scan you down and pop your fat loot pinata Lol . . . . Spoken like someone who has never left a noob system and just listens to the "Aww don't go into evil low sec . . . every system has 10 thousand pilots with perfect scanning skills trying to scan down and pop your velator" *Snip* -FM If you look at his kill board, he's talking from experience. 3.2bil navy raven....
Did you mean the Drake loss? It was in highsec and only 2.1 billion though. Maybe a WT?
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=17536894
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Typhado3
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.10.26 09:55:00 -
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Fango Mango wrote:If you're willing to run 4 accounts and mission why not run L5s
On average you should be able to run 4 missions per hour. The missions only take 2-7 minutes to complete, but you spend a fair amount of time moving between systems, changing out your hardeners, ect.
Payment wise that works out to 30->40 Million ISK in Mission payment 10-50 Million ISK in Bounty/Tags (depending upon the missions) 400->450 Million worth of LP
I don't link you're going to come anywhere near 500 million/hour running L4s no matter how you break it down
Ship Layout (1) Passive Fit Assault Frigate (2) Exequror to RR the Assault Frigate (3) DPS fit Talos to deal damage (4) DPS fit Talos to deal damage
If you like to PvP, slap a point/scram on the talos and mission in a FW system. Nothings more fun that getting scanned down by a pirate thinking they get an easy mission boat kill.
If you don't like to PvP, mission in an empty system, and no one will ever bother you.
-FM
I'm going to have to disagree with 3 things here
1. 2-7 minutes to finish a lvl 5 with only 2 dps talos. Most lvl 5 have 20 bs give or take a few plus support not the sort of thing your going to take out in 2 minutes. Let alone the ones with respawns that force your fleet to warp out or if they have carriers/freighters in the mission or multiple rooms and even more bs's. I can see maybe 15 minutes on some missions if you don't count looting or time to get there etc.
2. AF / exequor for tanking I'm undecided on this one. A lot of these missions feature many bs's so speed is good and an exequor can put out enough reps to tank a fair amount of dps. The problem is a lot of these missions feature lots of elite frigates with webs and many feature neut batteries that prevent any ab/mwd plans you had. If you are getting webbed by a half dozen elite frigates those bs's are gonna tear you a new one. There's also the very very small buffer of a af which is bad if your fleet is a few seconds late in arriving or a new spawn shows up and you need to warp out but your af is scrambled. a t1 logistics cruiser is also very fragile and isn't gonna be able to help much if someone aside from the tank starts taking heavy damage.
It's potentially possible and if it works the reduced risk due to cost is well worth it, but a HIC would serve the tank roll much better and upgrading to a logistics may be worth it.
3. New AI is coming. jumping into lvl 5's should deffinitely wait until after the AI and after you've figured out how it works and a way to deal with it in it's new form. Hopefully you can manage the agro properly and a setup like what's mentioned will work but we won't know till it's released and tested.
Lvl 5's are very profitable and can be run with cheap ships and no need for t3's/carriers. I ran pretty much every one with 2 bs's and a command ship combo easily enough. It's also not too hard to avoid pirates for the most part though they may occasionally (1 or 2 days a month more often on weekends) camp/afk cloak the system so be prepared to do something else occasionally. Lastly they are a hell of a lot of fun if your looking for a challenge, take this one for example.
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MastaKari
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.10.26 12:52:00 -
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IIshira wrote:MastaKari wrote:Fango Mango wrote:John Ratcliffe wrote:Fango Mango wrote:If you're willing to run 4 accounts and mission why not run L5s Because that requires you to go into LowSec where arseholes will scan you down and pop your fat loot pinata Lol . . . . Spoken like someone who has never left a noob system and just listens to the "Aww don't go into evil low sec . . . every system has 10 thousand pilots with perfect scanning skills trying to scan down and pop your velator" *Snip* -FM If you look at his kill board, he's talking from experience. 3.2bil navy raven.... Did you mean the Drake loss? It was in highsec and only 2.1 billion though. Maybe a WT? http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=17536894....
no i was talknig about this kill, http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14747145 which is low sec. |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
82
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Posted - 2012.10.26 13:43:00 -
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All I can say is WOW... I would be nervous in highsec with that.
I 'll admit at one time I was starting to fall into the gank bait trap. I had two CN invulnerability fields and was thinking of upgrading my SBA to either faction or deadspace and thought wait what am I doing? If I'm having no issues even in the bonus room of AE with an all T2 tank (except the shield booster) why add several billion ISK worth of modules? It's only going to make me a target and not make missions go any faster. I sold the two CN invulnerability fields and bought PLEX!
I could understand faction launchers in the CNR for a little extra DPS but with the Drake I couldn't give up my fury heavy missiles.
I don't mission in lowsec because I don't see the point unless you want some PVP thrill with your missions. If I go to lowsec it's in a PVP ship. I almost had a heart attack when I accidently jumped into lowsec with my CNR. |
Arec Bardwin
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Posted - 2012.10.26 14:29:00 -
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Anatheria wrote:High Sec Missioning with 4 Accounts, how to split? Quite frankly, I'd probably split my skull with a piece of cutlery. |
Ginger Barbarella
State War Academy Caldari State
209
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Posted - 2012.10.26 15:27:00 -
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Just to throw in my .02 isk, the most I've ever used at one time for a single mission was 3 accounts: two missioners, one Noctis driver. |
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Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
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Posted - 2012.10.26 17:58:00 -
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I have 4 accounts and do this regularly. I run 2 BS with a logi for reps so the BS's can be DPS fit with minimal tank. The fourth follows in a noctis. When I do this completion times are insanely fast, but there is a lot of micro management involved.
What gets frustrating is when you get 5-6 easy level 4 missions in a row. No point in bringing the extra ships as it just slows you down.
I have more recently started running more level 5 missions as they are still quit easy with this set up. Problem is finding a quiet low sec area with level 5 agents.
I have tested this on duality with the new A.I. as the location is no longer an issue. However the new A.I. absolutely hates logi. And is very difficult to mange if your DPS is done with BS's. Unless the new A.I. is changed this tactic will no longer work as of Dec 4th. |
Cage Man
Evil Guinea Pigs
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Posted - 2012.10.26 18:21:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote:I have 4 accounts and do this regularly. I run 2 BS with a logi for reps so the BS's can be DPS fit with minimal tank. The fourth follows in a noctis. When I do this completion times are insanely fast, but there is a lot of micro management involved.
What gets frustrating is when you get 5-6 easy level 4 missions in a row. No point in bringing the extra ships as it just slows you down.
I have more recently started running more level 5 missions as they are still quit easy with this set up. Problem is finding a quiet low sec area with level 5 agents.
I have tested this on duality with the new A.I. as the location is no longer an issue. However the new A.I. absolutely hates logi. And is very difficult to mange if your DPS is done with BS's. Unless the new A.I. is changed this tactic will no longer work as of Dec 4th.
Not sure what ships you using, but I have been training towards something similar. In HQ it looks like it would work if If you used a BS with 2 non dps high slots setting up a cap chain between the 3 ships, logi and 2 bs's, and fitting in the case of a shield fleet, shield transporters on the bs keep the logi alive. I use a basilisk with 2 ravens, the basi pilot is logi 5 and has 2 cap transfers fitted, the ravens have 1 shield and 1 cap transfer fitted. All ships cap stable when chain is setup and the basilisk with both ravens shield RR has a tank of 850 dps. Cap chain is raven's to basi and basi has one each to ravens. Haven't tested yet though.
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GreenSeed
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Posted - 2012.10.27 14:09:00 -
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have your alts fly drone ships, and set the drones to "assist" your main, theres no limit to drones, unlike with the "assign" command, so you can have a machariel with 15 gardes as extra dps.
so long as the drone ships remain on grid it wont be a problem. and honestly even the upcoming NPC buff (probably one of the most ******** things ever) you can still use them, just warp in at 70km from your main and use bouncers instead of gardes.
just remember to fit your drone ships with plenty of drone damage mods - drone control range units and omni links. vexors are great for lvl5 missions, since they are pretty muchs disposable. and gilas are monsters for lvl4s, they can fit a mean active tank and hold any strays without having to warp off.
on some missions you can set the drones to "guard" instead of assist, something that has the drones autotarget for you. they will chew rooms in 1 - 2 minutes.
but in the end doing this for lvl4s is a waste unless you do it for the standing grind on alts. (you can clean lvl4 rooms in 2 - 3 minutes as opposed to the 8 - 12 minutes it could take with a solo ship.) if you are interested on the isk/h better get a swarm of drakes and do lvl5s, or a nighthawk and a lot of vexors.
even on populated lowsec systems people trend to stay away from a swarm of drakes. |
Jaison Savrin
Remnants of the Forgotten Seekers of the Unseen
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Posted - 2012.10.29 20:57:00 -
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GreenSeed wrote:have your alts fly drone ships, and set the drones to "assist" your main, theres no limit to drones, unlike with the "assign" command, so you can have a machariel with 15 gardes as extra dps.
so long as the drone ships remain on grid it wont be a problem. and honestly even the upcoming NPC buff (probably one of the most ******** things ever) you can still use them, just warp in at 70km from your main and use bouncers instead of gardes.
just remember to fit your drone ships with plenty of drone damage mods - drone control range units and omni links. vexors are great for lvl5 missions, since they are pretty muchs disposable. and gilas are monsters for lvl4s, they can fit a mean active tank and hold any strays without having to warp off.
on some missions you can set the drones to "guard" instead of assist, something that has the drones autotarget for you. they will chew rooms in 1 - 2 minutes.
but in the end doing this for lvl4s is a waste unless you do it for the standing grind on alts. (you can clean lvl4 rooms in 2 - 3 minutes as opposed to the 8 - 12 minutes it could take with a solo ship.) if you are interested on the isk/h better get a swarm of drakes and do lvl5s, or a nighthawk and a lot of vexors.
even on populated lowsec systems people trend to stay away from a swarm of drakes.
This could be fun with an RR domi to anchor like Ishtars or something. Fit them with minimal buffer tank and some cap transfers. Fit the Domi for cap stability and RR .... Drop sentry drones, anchor on Domi and just have it RR whatever is being targeted. Have it with a local tank too because why the heck not. It might be terrible but I bet it'd be fun. *runs off to EFT warrior it*
Edit: I saw the KMs just now and all I have to say is "FACTION FIT EVERYTHING!" |
Fango Mango
University of Caille Gallente Federation
53
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Posted - 2012.10.30 20:32:00 -
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Typhado3 wrote: I'm going to have to disagree with 3 things here
1. 2-7 minutes to finish a lvl 5 with only 2 dps talos. Most lvl 5 have 20 bs give or take a few plus support not the sort of thing your going to take out in 2 minutes. Let alone the ones with respawns that force your fleet to warp out or if they have carriers/freighters in the mission or multiple rooms and even more bs's. I can see maybe 15 minutes on some missions if you don't count looting or time to get there etc.
If you are spending more than 7 minutes on grid you are doing it wrong. 7 Missions can be completed by killing a single ship/structure 3 Missions can be completed by killing a small group 5-8 of ships decline the rest . . .
Quote: 2. AF / exequor for tanking I'm undecided on this one. A lot of these missions feature many bs's so speed is good and an exequor can put out enough reps to tank a fair amount of dps. The problem is a lot of these missions feature lots of elite frigates with webs and many feature neut batteries that prevent any ab/mwd plans you had. If you are getting webbed by a half dozen elite frigates those bs's are gonna tear you a new one. There's also the very very small buffer of a af which is bad if your fleet is a few seconds late in arriving or a new spawn shows up and you need to warp out but your af is scrambled. a t1 logistics cruiser is also very fragile and isn't gonna be able to help much if someone aside from the tank starts taking heavy damage.
It's potentially possible and if it works the reduced risk due to cost is well worth it, but a HIC would serve the tank roll much better and upgrading to a logistics may be worth it.
An Assault Frigate sitting still with a 400mm+3x Energized + 2x Armor Rig can TANK all the Damage with 4 T1 medium remote reps.
If you don't know how how to manage aggro a T2 logistics won't keep you alive. It will just cost more to replace.
Quote: 3. New AI is coming. jumping into lvl 5's should deffinitely wait until after the AI and after you've figured out how it works and a way to deal with it in it's new form. Hopefully you can manage the agro properly and a setup like what's mentioned will work but we won't know till it's released and tested.
Agreed. Its going to take a little while to figure out how to do it. Stay tuned, we'll let you know as soon as we figure it out
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