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Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
1381
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Posted - 2012.10.04 08:32:00 -
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Lilja Consideratio wrote:Hot-Drop O'Clock wrote:ITT:
1) Goons don't come to help their pets 2) Pets lose 19 carriers due to bad positioning and capping out 3) CFC feels boo-boo because the enemy found CFC's supa sikrit weapon 4) CFC cries for bans to those who used the CFC secret weapon A wild Dotbros appears Dotbros uses CFC SIKRIT WEAPON It's super effective! CFC SIKRIT WEAPON or not, the outcome of that battle would not have changed in the slightest. That is a fact.
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
Arthello
D00M. Northern Coalition.
19
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Posted - 2012.10.04 10:06:00 -
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What a delicious little thread. The double standards inside here is just beautiful. EVE needs more of this to be honest. |
Mik kyo
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
37
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Posted - 2012.10.04 10:11:00 -
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Nc. should stop hacking |
StevieTopSiders
Adversity. No Remorse.
66
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Posted - 2012.10.04 13:41:00 -
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im gay
like this thread |
De'Veldrin
NerdHerd En Garde
391
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Posted - 2012.10.04 13:44:00 -
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Cage Man wrote:Easy to fix, change the limit on CSPA charges. Then you can set it to 10bil or something and see how many times you get convo-ed. Not sure if this changes lag, but it will soon stop the requests.
Worst case, I'll be able to replace whatever they caused me to lose, and on their dime no less. Unsub or don't.-á I don't care what your reasons are, and neither does anyone else.-á Just click the button and go away - or don't. |
Astroniomix
Thorn Project
260
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Posted - 2012.10.04 13:48:00 -
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De'Veldrin wrote:Cage Man wrote:Easy to fix, change the limit on CSPA charges. Then you can set it to 10bil or something and see how many times you get convo-ed. Not sure if this changes lag, but it will soon stop the requests. Worst case, I'll be able to replace whatever they caused me to lose, and on their dime no less. Why is it that no one realizes the CSPA charge goes to CONCORD and not the player? It is REALLY that goddamn hard to figure out? |
Nikk Narrel
Infinite Improbability Inc Mordus Angels
592
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Posted - 2012.10.04 13:57:00 -
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Dumb tactics like this that take advantage of supposedly off limits details in a fight are not helping our game in any way, shape, or form.
Pay it forward is not the useful attitude when the topic is comparable to flinging poo.
Or as my grandmother put it, "Two wrongs don't make a right".
Noone should give a flying frak who did what in the past. This is something we need to take out of the sandbox moving forward. Cloaking being on a ten minute manual cycle timer? (Author: Bree Okanata) Fine. As long as there is a ten minute timer for being docked in a station. Also, you can't stop moving in the game. Just add in a way so every ten minutes you are randomly warped to the nearest other player. Keeps people from going AFK. |
Addrake
Origin. Black Legion.
31
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Posted - 2012.10.04 14:16:00 -
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Nikk Narrel wrote:Noone should give a flying frak who did what in the past. This is something we need to take out of the sandbox moving forward.
It's been reported time and time again, and CCP doesn't seem to care. Hence why everyone just turns on auto-reject now.
Btw, did you know that NC.dot has a stiletto that causes 90% tidi every time it jumps through a gate? True Story. |
NEONOVUS
Saablast Followers
13
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Posted - 2012.10.04 14:39:00 -
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Addrake wrote:Nikk Narrel wrote:Noone should give a flying frak who did what in the past. This is something we need to take out of the sandbox moving forward. It's been reported time and time again, and CCP doesn't seem to care. Hence why everyone just turns on auto-reject now. Btw, did you know that NC.dot has a stiletto that causes 90% tidi every time it jumps through a gate? True Story. Ok I want to hear the rest of this story.
It seems like EVE has a number of mystical things that behave very differently than they should. |
King Rothgar
Black Watch Guard Gl0rious Bastards
311
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Posted - 2012.10.04 15:37:00 -
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BlueMajere wrote:King Rothgar wrote:You can turn on autoreject however that also rejects both chat and fleet invites from corp mates, allies and blues. Needless to say that's problematic. If it only blocked neutrals and reds, it wouldn't be an issue. It's an exploit, plain and simple. it's not problematic, there's a little thing called fleet finder you may or may not be aware of
You know some of us like to have little private secure fleets that aren't advertised to every ******* in the corp/alliance/coalition. It's also problematic when someone wants to legitimately private convo you for whatever reason.
As has been said many times, regardless of past use, it is an exploit to deliberately lag out or CTD another player's client via chat spam. CCP may not see it that way, but in this case they are indisputably wrong. It's about as lagit as hacking someone's account. The Troll is trolling. |
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NEONOVUS
Saablast Followers
13
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Posted - 2012.10.04 15:45:00 -
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CCP owns the game and all related stuff. If they say it is allowed it is. If they say it is not then it is not.
Case in point, special delivery item can not be repackaged, you can however ask for it in a contract. The contract thus can not be filled, but buyers wont know that. A bit of alt fu and you can make massive amounts of isk all while they cant do anything. Better than margin scams (oh hey what about those?) as unless you check each item you will never know. Despite this being in game CCP has made it known that doing such a contract is an exploit. |
Nikk Narrel
Infinite Improbability Inc Mordus Angels
593
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Posted - 2012.10.04 16:49:00 -
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NEONOVUS wrote:CCP owns the game and all related stuff. If they say it is allowed it is. If they say it is not then it is not.
Case in point, special delivery item can not be repackaged, you can however ask for it in a contract. The contract thus can not be filled, but buyers wont know that. A bit of alt fu and you can make massive amounts of isk all while they cant do anything. Better than margin scams (oh hey what about those?) as unless you check each item you will never know. Despite this being in game CCP has made it known that doing such a contract is an exploit. This is a straw man argument.
We are not talking about deception on a level between characters at all here. Fraud is not involved here.
This involves a group of players abusing a game function to disable the client of another player, so that they can take advantage of the resulting situation in the game.
Attempts to justify it based off of arguments similar to "He did it to me first", fail to recognize the need to stop the problem.
Don't waste time pointing fingers. Fix it. Cloaking being on a ten minute manual cycle timer? (Author: Bree Okanata) Fine. As long as there is a ten minute timer for being docked in a station. Also, you can't stop moving in the game. Just add in a way so every ten minutes you are randomly warped to the nearest other player. Keeps people from going AFK. |
Varesk
Origin. Black Legion.
165
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Posted - 2012.10.04 18:16:00 -
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Xolve wrote:Cage Man wrote:Easy to fix, change the limit on CSPA charges. Pretty sure it maxes out at 1m ISK.
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De'Veldrin
NerdHerd En Garde
391
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Posted - 2012.10.04 18:26:00 -
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Astroniomix wrote:De'Veldrin wrote:Cage Man wrote:Easy to fix, change the limit on CSPA charges. Then you can set it to 10bil or something and see how many times you get convo-ed. Not sure if this changes lag, but it will soon stop the requests. Worst case, I'll be able to replace whatever they caused me to lose, and on their dime no less. Why is it that no one realizes the CSPA charge goes to CONCORD and not the player? It is REALLY that goddamn hard to figure out?
I actually knew that and forgot when I posted this.
Color me Unsub or don't.-á I don't care what your reasons are, and neither does anyone else.-á Just click the button and go away - or don't. |
NEONOVUS
Saablast Followers
13
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Posted - 2012.10.04 21:37:00 -
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[quote=Nikk NarrelThis is a straw man argument.
We are not talking about deception on a level between characters at all here. Fraud is not involved here.
This involves a group of players abusing a game function to disable the client of another player, so that they can take advantage of the resulting situation in the game.
Attempts to justify it based off of arguments similar to "He did it to me first", fail to recognize the need to stop the problem.
Don't waste time pointing fingers. Fix it.[/quote] Ok turn on auto reject then. Not hard at all. Then when your client crashes it is your own fault Or you could blame telecomms for using copperless fiber optics in their quest to save money. |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
586
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Posted - 2012.10.04 22:23:00 -
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NEONOVUS wrote:[quote=Nikk NarrelThis is a straw man argument.
We are not talking about deception on a level between characters at all here. Fraud is not involved here.
This involves a group of players abusing a game function to disable the client of another player, so that they can take advantage of the resulting situation in the game.
Attempts to justify it based off of arguments similar to "He did it to me first", fail to recognize the need to stop the problem.
Don't waste time pointing fingers. Fix it. Ok turn on auto reject then. Not hard at all. Then when your client crashes it is your own fault Or you could blame telecomms for using copperless fiber optics in their quest to save money.[/quote]
First off, some people claim autoreject doesn't prevent a convo bomb from disrupting your client...
Second, , we should have to turn on auto-reject to NOT be convo bombed....
Convo bombing is just straight up abusing a game feature to inhibit the game client of another player. This is a clear violation of the terms of service.... and it should be addressed by CCP.
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Cage Man
Evil Guinea Pigs
10
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Posted - 2012.10.04 23:49:00 -
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Xolve wrote:Cage Man wrote:Easy to fix, change the limit on CSPA charges. Then you can set it to 10bil or something and see how many times you get convo-ed. Not sure if this changes lag, but it will soon stop the requests. Pretty sure it maxes out at 1m ISK.
Yep that is why I said change the limit.... |
King Rothgar
Black Watch Guard Gl0rious Bastards
311
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Posted - 2012.10.05 02:55:00 -
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Some of us like to use the convo system to you know, actually talk with people. That is what it is there for yes? As said many times, disabling invites disables *all* invites from people not in your address book. It doesn't factor standings or anything else. It is an all or nothing deal. And truth be told, I don't just chat with blues. I chat with neutrals, wt's and reds privately at times too. The Troll is trolling. |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
670
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Posted - 2012.10.18 19:00:00 -
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There is an interesting article on Mittani's website discussing this.
It includes some GM correspondence, and it appears the Senior GM's are considering this an exploit! |
Cage Man
Evil Guinea Pigs
12
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Posted - 2012.10.18 19:18:00 -
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King Rothgar wrote:Some of us like to use the convo system to you know, actually talk with people. That is what it is there for yes? As said many times, disabling invites disables *all* invites from people not in your address book. It doesn't factor standings or anything else. It is an all or nothing deal. And truth be told, I don't just chat with blues. I chat with neutrals, wt's and reds privately at times too.
Disabling the invite doesn't change the fact you will still lag... extract from the link gizznitt above provided...
"It is worth noting that the suggested in-game option to block all chat invites only removes the window from appearing on your screen; the option is client side so the invite still gets sent to you which causes stuttering regardless. This mail has set a somewhat new precedent among nullsec tactics which may change the way hostile fleets interact with each other."
Big null fleet fights where you have hundreds of opposition convoing you is very different from small scale PVP. And yes, I have a null alt, amongst others, and have even on occasion when undocking not been able to even get to warp to an insta because of all the convo's.. perhaps I am mean and people are just friendly and would like to get to know me better :) This btw not only happens in null, ls but I have seen it used in wh, not as common as fleets are smaller. Never taken part in HS station games... errr pvp.. so not sure there but can guess it does too..
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Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
308
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Posted - 2012.10.18 20:10:00 -
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Its an exp[loit, but its ancient and the reason everyone (especially fcs/scap pilots) in 0.0 has autoreject on. |
Nikk Narrel
Infinite Improbability Inc Mordus Angels
632
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Posted - 2012.10.18 20:26:00 -
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Doddy wrote:Its an exp[loit, but its ancient and the reason everyone (especially fcs/scap pilots) in 0.0 has autoreject on. That is messed up.
The autoreject should be flagged at the server level to stop this, not the client.
Not sure if it can be fine tuned, but you should be able to white list people in order to filter important conversations. Why should your communication ability be compromised simply because others are willing to stoop to underhanded exploitation? Cloaking being on a ten minute manual cycle timer? (Author: Bree Okanata) Fine. As long as there is a ten minute timer for being docked in a station. Also, you can't stop moving in the game. Just add in a way so every ten minutes you are randomly warped to the nearest other player. Keeps people from going AFK. |
Angeal MacNova
LankTech
2
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Posted - 2012.10.19 01:07:00 -
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Having the autoreject server side is only going to create another problem. It basically forces people to use autoreject or you still become subject to it.
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Dar Saleem
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
30
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Posted - 2012.10.19 06:12:00 -
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Got to love it.
Goons do it, its not an exploit / our logs show nothing
happens to goons.
Here have your 20 carriers back and 14 day suspension for who ever did it
The best bonus of having goons as devs
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