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unloadedx16
Platanos for Everybody
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Posted - 2012.10.01 20:40:00 -
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Concord Message:
"Unloadedx16's Fleet composed of player A, player B ,and Player C would like to challenge your fleet to a mutual battle, the rules are as follow: yadda yadda yadda blaa blaa, do you accept his/her challenge?"
Yes
"Fighting will commence in 30 seconds and will end in XXmin or until one fleet surrenders"
While low sec/0.0 pvp is cool and all I believe adding a system to encourage mutual pvp would likely benefit Eve. This is a sandbox (more of a sandbox for the Devs) and players should have as many unfair AND FAIR means of destroying each other.
Pros:
- Good for the economy
- More player professions emerge; players managing frequent tournaments, players managing betting services
- Might encourage players to venture out to low sec/0.0 once they have gotten some experience
- Less bored players looking for "fair fights"
Cons:
- It's "fake" pvp
- Fair fight in my eve!!!??? GHAAAAAAAQWERTYUIODFGHJWTFBBQSAUCESPAGHETTIII!!!!!!
- Less people in lowsec/0.0 looking for fights.
This I believe is a pure game design flaw. Boost and revamp lowsec if you want more players there. Even add a system outside of FW where roaming fleets have a goal and their work lead to more profit and fun.
Do you think a system like this should be in place, why or why not? |
lanyaie
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Posted - 2012.10.01 20:43:00 -
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post Hay |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
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Posted - 2012.10.01 20:46:00 -
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Hmm, you know that CONCORD is only in hisec, right? You want fight in there you can wardec corps. You want honorable duel with rules in lowsec/null? Organize a tournament, CONCORD has no place to validate fights in there. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2012.10.01 20:49:00 -
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lanyaie wrote:Most of EVE's mechanics seems awfully similar to another game I know Dow? Bow? Wow?
Hey! Yeah it's WoW! But last time I checked EvE had like 40% of in it WoW I don't want this do I? Fixed.
Seems like when they added Raids to this game I did not see many people complain.
Perhaps if you don't like the feature you should not use it. But plenty who are not you would enjoy it. |
baltec1
Bat Country
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Posted - 2012.10.01 21:00:00 -
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Not enough pvp when you roam?
Lets make arena style fights! Then you can easily find a fight when you go hunt...oh wait.
Every game that does this ends up killing pvp in the wider world because why go hunting for a fight when you have one at a click of a button. |
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.10.01 21:06:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Not enough pvp when you roam?
Lets make arena style fights! Then you can easily find a fight when you go hunt...oh wait.
Every game that does this ends up killing pvp in the wider world because why go hunting for a fight when you have one at a click of a button.
never played ace online?
it could work it could mess with pvp too much, i think they should try it. |
baltec1
Bat Country
2316
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Posted - 2012.10.01 21:09:00 -
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Herping yourDerp wrote:
never played ace online?
it could work it could mess with pvp too much, i think they should try it.
Or they can rebalance ships so the cheap stuff can hold its own and provide cheappvp for all. |
Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2012.10.01 21:10:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Herping yourDerp wrote:
never played ace online?
it could work it could mess with pvp too much, i think they should try it.
and they can rebalance ships so the cheap stuff can hold its own and provide cheappvp for all. Made this post twice as good. |
unloadedx16
Platanos for Everybody
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Posted - 2012.10.01 21:23:00 -
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lanyaie wrote:Seems awfully similar to another game I know Dow? Bow? Wow?
Hey! Yeah it's WoW! But last time I checked this was EvE now WoW we don't want this do we? Yeah that's right we don't aslong as you have Tornadoes and the Talos you can challenge anyone to a fight and they don't even have to accept, and Guess what? THE FIGHT IS EVEN OVER FASTER.
back to the drawing board and also there is another forum section for this kind of stuff how about you go post there.
WHY don't you like it. Your just rambling and saying Eve players won't like it just because? You can still have that tornado challenge whatever if you'd like and you don't have to participate in this if your are not interested. Like I said in the OP; more ways to destroy each other be it fair and unfair. |
unloadedx16
Platanos for Everybody
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Posted - 2012.10.01 21:30:00 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:Hmm, you know that CONCORD is only in hisec, right? You want fight in there you can wardec corps. You want honorable duel with rules in lowsec/null? Organize a tournament, CONCORD has no place to validate fights in there.
Yes sorry, I though it would be obvious this feature would only work in highsec as in low/null anyone can come in and interfere with the fight and concord would not be able to enforce the rules. This feature wouldn't and shouldn't interfere with wardecs at all. If you are at war while in a mutual fight and the corp at war with you comes in and interferes with the mutual fight then more power to them. This can only add more content to Eve and no one is being forced to participate. |
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baltec1
Bat Country
2316
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Posted - 2012.10.01 21:33:00 -
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unloadedx16 wrote:
Yes sorry, I though it would be obvious this feature would only work in highsec as in low/null anyone can come in and interfere with the fight and concord would not be able to enforce the rules. This feature wouldn't and shouldn't interfere with wardecs at all. If you are at war while in a mutual fight and the corp at war with you comes in and interferes with the mutual fight then more power to them. This can only add more content to Eve and no one is being forced to participate.
The problem is this will destroy the rest of the pvp out there. |
unloadedx16
Platanos for Everybody
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Posted - 2012.10.01 21:43:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Not enough pvp when you roam?
Lets make arena style fights! Then you can easily find a fight when you go hunt...oh wait.
Every game that does this ends up killing pvp in the wider world because why go hunting for a fight when you have one at a click of a button.
And like I said in the OP this is purely a game design problem. If players out in low/null don't have a reason to fight, defend, make profits while in a fleet and it end up being the case that many people leave low/null then that is something the devs need to address. It would indicate that there was an ongoing problem even before the feature was implemented! |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2012.10.01 21:46:00 -
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You can do this already... http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem |
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ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.10.01 21:48:00 -
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Hi,
I quite like this idea, but I've had to move this thread from General Discussion to this forum as it's the right place for CCP developers to monitor ideas and feedback.
Thanks and fly safe. ISD Suvetar Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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unloadedx16
Platanos for Everybody
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Posted - 2012.10.01 21:50:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:unloadedx16 wrote:
Yes sorry, I though it would be obvious this feature would only work in highsec as in low/null anyone can come in and interfere with the fight and concord would not be able to enforce the rules. This feature wouldn't and shouldn't interfere with wardecs at all. If you are at war while in a mutual fight and the corp at war with you comes in and interferes with the mutual fight then more power to them. This can only add more content to Eve and no one is being forced to participate.
The problem is this will destroy the rest of the pvp out there.
I would argue the opposite. By allowing mutual pvp it would filter out alot of the random pointless pvp that goes on just because player get bored and make them more meaningful. Wardec, low/null pvp will be a little more purposeful. Possibly less corps decing smaller corp out of pure boredom/grief. |
unloadedx16
Platanos for Everybody
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Posted - 2012.10.01 22:02:00 -
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ISD Suvetar wrote:Hi,
I quite like this idea, but I've had to move this thread from General Discussion to this forum as it's the right place for CCP developers to monitor ideas and feedback.
Thanks and fly safe.
Thank you isd. While I understand why you moved this thread to this forum would it be possible for to put this back in General_Discusion where it wold get more feedback and criticism. I would argue that this is half an idea thread and half a question to players as to why so many are opposed to mutual pvp. Also I think threads like this that encourage discussion about the game are a little more important than silly "get likes" and "rate avatar above you" threads. |
lanyaie
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Posted - 2012.10.02 05:52:00 -
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Nice avatar I really like the colour you've applied on it and the hair is amazing
6/10 Hay |
baltec1
Bat Country
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Posted - 2012.10.02 08:02:00 -
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unloadedx16 wrote:
I would argue the opposite. By allowing mutual pvp it would filter out alot of the random pointless pvp that goes on just because player get bored and make them more meaningful. Wardec, low/null pvp will be a little more purposeful. Possibly less corps decing smaller corp out of pure boredom/grief.
They did this in SWG. They added a pvp city called restuss and a week later pvp everywhere else was gone and never returned. |
unloadedx16
Platanos for Everybody
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Posted - 2012.10.02 20:19:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:You can do this already...
So make it more accessible and transparent. Rather than; jet can this, you take that, noone else attack, boobs yadda yadda! |
unloadedx16
Platanos for Everybody
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Posted - 2012.10.02 20:21:00 -
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lanyaie wrote:Nice avatar I really like the colour you've applied on it and the hair is amazing
6/10
uhmm thanks =) Your avatars cool too. |
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unloadedx16
Platanos for Everybody
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Posted - 2012.10.02 20:33:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:unloadedx16 wrote:
I would argue the opposite. By allowing mutual pvp it would filter out alot of the random pointless pvp that goes on just because player get bored and make them more meaningful. Wardec, low/null pvp will be a little more purposeful. Possibly less corps decing smaller corp out of pure boredom/grief.
They did this in SWG. They added a pvp city called restuss and a week later pvp everywhere else was gone and never returned.
Players will still fight for space, players will still fight for wormholes, for moons, for LP in FW, players will still wardec each other, they will still pirate, suicide gank steal from each other. This will not take away from those content but probably filter out a bit of the less meaningful player immersions. It's the devs job to add new content to this game. The players decide how much said content is worth fighting for. If players stay in high-sec because it is more profitable and convenient, that is a game design problem. Maybe devs need to redesign certain areas in Eve to encourage player migration. |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.10.02 21:56:00 -
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Feel free to convo the hostile FC and invite him to form up for a fight.
PMing already exists, not sure why this needs to be a seperate new thing. Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
Alx Warlord
Security Task Force
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Posted - 2012.10.02 22:31:00 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:Hmm, you know that CONCORD is only in hisec, right? You want fight in there you can wardec corps. You want honorable duel with rules in lowsec/null? Organize a tournament, CONCORD has no place to validate fights in there.
Wardec is messed up. simply doesnt worth it... there is a glitch ... look for an alliance called "Dec Shield"... [Discussion] - New POS system ( Construction Block Built - Starbasecraft) <<< Please CCP read this! |
unloadedx16
Platanos for Everybody
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Posted - 2012.10.02 23:59:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:Feel free to convo the hostile FC and invite him to form up for a fight.
PMing already exists, not sure why this needs to be a seperate new thing.
Please explain to me how this system already exist? Other than going, "Hey bro come bring your fleet to this random unsecured part space, I promise no funny business". or "hey man, come steal from this jet can to fight, I promise no funny business"
Concord exist and is not going anywhere anytime soon. If two groups of players want to tell concord to please F off for a mutual engagement they why not allow it? There would be no point in this system in 0.0 were players can engage each other without penalties. In lowsec players could avoid standing hit BUT pirates and other players can still crash the party. Highsec would see a boom in PLAYER RUN tournaments and betting services BUT war dec'ing corps or suicide gankers can still come in and crash the party.
They can even make this feature only available to players in player corps. You would be able to wardec them. (once they fix the wardec issue) You see where this is going? How can any of this be bad? |
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