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baumjoe
Kopasas SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2012.09.24 18:41:00 -
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Hey so I am looking for three fits for my Eos or any other fits people recommend.
I am looking for
a DPS fit
a Warfare link fit
And a Armour Tank fit
Any suggestions would be great. |
Matarella
The Last Call. Black Core Alliance
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Posted - 2012.09.24 20:34:00 -
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can not remember the last time I have seen one outside market. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2012.09.24 22:01:00 -
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baumjoe wrote:Hey so I am looking for three fits for my Eos or any other fits people recommend.
I am looking for
a DPS fit
a Warfare link fit
And a Armour Tank fit
Any suggestions would be great.
Step 1: Go back to 2006.
Step 2: Buy 5x Ogre II... Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
baumjoe
Kopasas SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2012.09.24 23:34:00 -
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Have Eos' really been nerfed that much? |
Roime
Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance
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Posted - 2012.09.25 06:05:00 -
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Check out the bonuses of that ship, it's just terribly confused.
- an active armour tanker* meant to provide boosts for a whole fleet (fleets have logi) - bonus to drone bay size, but cruiser drone bandwidth - no drone damage bonus even with 225m3 drone bay, yay - bonus to info warfare links (one totally pointless link, one useful only for EWAR-heavy comps leaving one decent link)
There are no reasons to choose Eos over Astarte, Proteus, Myrm or even Brutix for combat situations. It needs a complete overhaul, which doesn't happen this winter.
That said, I saw one on dscan yesterday. OGB sitting in a POS. Proteus would have been better in that role.
* A full dual repper tank on a bonused ship with max skills using all lows, rigs and one midslot reps less than one ASB, Invuln + EM rig, there aren't any ships larger than frigs in game left that should be active armor tanked.
Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman |
To mare
Advanced Technology
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Posted - 2012.09.25 10:55:00 -
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why you want to use a Eos for dps when you can use a Astarte which is the ship designed for combat of the two. the problem of the Eos is that information warfare links are unpractial for normal usage |
Gypsio III
Chemikals Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
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Posted - 2012.09.25 10:59:00 -
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Fleet CS all need a fundamental rework along the lines of the Damnation. They need resist and HP bonuses to allow them to act as intended, as survivable on-grid link platforms. But this will require reworking links and T3s too... |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
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Posted - 2012.09.25 11:02:00 -
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EOS is just the expensive tech two red headed step sister of the myrm.
By 3 different myrms, have money to spare over a single fail EOS. http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4375/mynewsig2.jpg |
Abannan
Moira. Villore Accords
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Posted - 2012.09.25 13:05:00 -
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[Eos, Dual Rep] Damage Control II Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Armor EM Hardener II Armor Explosive Hardener II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I
Medium Hybrid Collision Accelerator II Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I
Hobgoblin II x1 Hammerhead II x2 Ogre II x2 Vespa EC-600 x5 Warrior II x1 Valkyrie II x2 Berserker II x2 Warrior II x5
It's not a bad fit but for it's price you may as well just buy a few myrmidons (you'll have battlecruisers 5 anyway) |
Darius Brinn
Iberians Iberians.
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Posted - 2012.09.25 17:13:00 -
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Muad 'dib wrote:EOS is just the expensive tech two red headed step sister of the myrm.
By 3 different myrms, have money to spare over a single fail EOS.
No, it's not.
The Myrmidon has a 10% Drone damage & HP bonus per BC skill level. The Eos has a +25m3 Drone BAY bonus per Command Ships skill level.
I'd never fly an Eos, and the only reason I'd like an Eos over a Myrmidon in my fleet would be the CERTAINTY that nobody would attack me until they'd dealt with the LOL-Eos.
Damnation, Vulture and Claymore have their uses. The Eos is a commedy lossmail waiting to happen. |
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baumjoe
Kopasas SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2012.09.25 18:22:00 -
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Well I've been out of the game for a couple of years I guess its time to part ways with my expensive toy. |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
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Posted - 2012.09.25 18:40:00 -
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Darius Brinn wrote:[quote=Muad 'dib] The Myrmidon has a 10% Drone damage & HP bonus per BC skill level. The Eos has a +25m3 Drone BAY bonus per Command Ships skill level.
soooooo....
the myrm still gets 50% more dps because the EOS only has 75mb the same as the myrm, while having one less turret slot than the myrm.
oh great the eos has room for more drones, greeeeaaaat. http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4375/mynewsig2.jpg |
Darius Brinn
Iberians Iberians.
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Posted - 2012.09.25 21:57:00 -
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Muad 'dib wrote:Darius Brinn wrote:[quote=Muad 'dib] The Myrmidon has a 10% Drone damage & HP bonus per BC skill level. The Eos has a +25m3 Drone BAY bonus per Command Ships skill level.
soooooo.... the myrm still gets 50% more dps because the EOS only has 75mb the same as the myrm, while having one less turret slot than the myrm. oh great the eos has room for more drones, greeeeaaaat.
It's not exactly 50% less DPS, as the Eos does have a medium Hybrid turret bonus (25% at Command ships V), but this is still lackluster. Still, we have that eve, ignoring the fact that information links are much worse than Amarr, Caldari and Minmatar ones,
-The Vulture has TWO offensive bonus (50% optimal + 50% optimal for BC V and CS V)- -The Claymore has TWO offensive bonus (25% ROF + 37,5% tracking) -The Damnation has TWO defensive bonus (25% resistances + 50% armor HP)
And the Eos, instead of a secondary offensive or defensive bonus, receives 75m3 worth of drone BAY.
This is unbalanced, and cripples the ship even more than the horribly designed armor rigging penalties.
Give the Eos 125mb/s worth of bandwidth as it had, or change the drone bay bonus for a DRONE DAMAGE & HP BONUS.
You know, like Vexors, Ishtars, Dominix, and Myrmidons. It would NOT be overpowered, as the only thing it would get over the Ishtar (for instance) would be the repping bonus. |
Cameron Cahill
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Exhale.
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Posted - 2012.09.25 22:27:00 -
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Roime wrote: * A full dual repper tank on a bonused ship with max skills using all lows, rigs and one midslot reps less than one ASB, Invuln + EM rig, there aren't any ships larger than frigs in game left that should be active armor tanked.
Archon |
Dethmourne Silvermane
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.09.25 23:47:00 -
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Cameron Cahill wrote:Roime wrote: * A full dual repper tank on a bonused ship with max skills using all lows, rigs and one midslot reps less than one ASB, Invuln + EM rig, there aren't any ships larger than frigs in game left that should be active armor tanked.
Archon
Don't forget the Thanatos. TEST Alliance now offering rental agreements in Fountain. -áPlease contact me via eve-mail if interested. |
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery Swift Angels Alliance
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Posted - 2012.09.26 00:23:00 -
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I recently saw an Eos in a C2. I assume its armour rep bonus was useful for tanking, and with that many drones in its bay, who cares if they get eaten by sleepers, amirite?
Me, I shall buy the ass out of an Eos and go produce lolmails with it. Taking submissions for "Trinkets friendly Advice Column" via evemail or private convo in-game. Anonymity sorta guaranteed.
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baumjoe
Kopasas SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2012.09.26 00:34:00 -
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Trinkets friend wrote:I recently saw an Eos in a C2. I assume its armour rep bonus was useful for tanking, and with that many drones in its bay, who cares if they get eaten by sleepers, amirite?
Me, I shall buy the ass out of an Eos and go produce lolmails with it.
It had an alright tank but for a ship that costs so much I guess it is kinda fail if any one wants to buy and EOS in jita let me know lol. |
Shereza
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.26 00:35:00 -
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Funny thing is that with two drone damage mods on a myrmidon and 2 magstabs on an eos they put out roughly equal DPS when the myrmidon uses pulse lasers and scorch. Yeah, I bothered looking at it. I use my eos for running L4s from time to time (which is something I loved doing with the ship before it got nerfed) which is about the best use for it I've found. I'm not saying that it's a good use, merely the best use I have for it.
That said looking at the myrmidon and eos in light of doing L4s and short of doing kin/therm-heavy opponents the myrmidon wins out. Hell, looking at it from an anti-Sansha/Blood/whatever perspective and I get numbers where the myrmidon does equal raw damage and lower raw tank, but thanks to not needing to get into blaster range can afford to run an AB as part of the tank while the eos really needs an MWD. Likewise the myrmidon can fairly easily fit an extra drone mod in the mid slots over the eos. Those combine to probably give it a comparable effective tank and supperior effective DPS.
Granted it's a fleet command ship, not a field command ship, but that's still kind of sad. |
baumjoe
Kopasas SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2012.09.26 00:58:00 -
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Shereza wrote:Funny thing is that with two drone damage mods on a myrmidon and 2 magstabs on an eos they put out roughly equal DPS when the myrmidon uses pulse lasers and scorch. Yeah, I bothered looking at it. I use my eos for running L4s from time to time (which is something I loved doing with the ship before it got nerfed) which is about the best use for it I've found. I'm not saying that it's a good use, merely the best use I have for it.
That said looking at the myrmidon and eos in light of doing L4s and short of doing kin/therm-heavy opponents the myrmidon wins out. Hell, looking at it from an anti-Sansha/Blood/whatever perspective and I get numbers where the myrmidon does equal raw damage and lower raw tank, but thanks to not needing to get into blaster range can afford to run an AB as part of the tank while the eos really needs an MWD. Likewise the myrmidon can fairly easily fit an extra drone mod in the mid slots over the eos. Those combine to probably give it a comparable effective tank and supperior effective DPS.
Granted it's a fleet command ship, not a field command ship, but that's still kind of sad.
Yea Ive tanked a megathron and a dominx in in my Eos and its pretty good for l4's and I have taken it into low class worm holes. I haven't played in two years and I am thinking about my assets and right now my eos is looking like a really expensive under powered toy. |
Hirimatsu Yamamoto
Bunnie Slayers Redrum Fleet
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Posted - 2012.09.26 02:34:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:baumjoe wrote:Hey so I am looking for three fits for my Eos or any other fits people recommend.
I am looking for
a DPS fit
a Warfare link fit
And a Armour Tank fit
Any suggestions would be great. Step 1: Go back to 2006. Step 2: Buy 5x Ogre II...
It was a sad day when my Myrm could no longer field 5 Heavy drones. :( |
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Roime
Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance
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Posted - 2012.09.26 05:39:00 -
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Cameron Cahill wrote:Roime wrote: * A full dual repper tank on a bonused ship with max skills using all lows, rigs and one midslot reps less than one ASB, Invuln + EM rig, there aren't any subcaps larger than frigs in game left that should be active armor tanked.
Archon
Ok ok fmp. Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman |
Romvex
Universal Freelance CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
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Posted - 2012.09.26 13:20:00 -
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Dethmourne Silvermane wrote:Cameron Cahill wrote:Roime wrote: * A full dual repper tank on a bonused ship with max skills using all lows, rigs and one midslot reps less than one ASB, Invuln + EM rig, there aren't any ships larger than frigs in game left that should be active armor tanked.
Archon Don't forget the Thanatos.
*cough dual rep vindi Gÿ+/ /Gûî /n++ \ This is Bob, post him into your forum sig and help him conquer the forums. |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
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Posted - 2012.09.26 13:47:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:baumjoe wrote:Hey so I am looking for three fits for my Eos or any other fits people recommend.
I am looking for
a DPS fit
a Warfare link fit
And a Armour Tank fit
Any suggestions would be great. Step 1: Go back to 2006. Step 2: Buy 5x Ogre II...
tbh that nerf came when other dps sucked compared to drones.
if it was to get 5 ogres today without a dps bonus i dont think anyone would mind at all.
Its dps is still in the scope of the myrm
http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4375/mynewsig2.jpg |
Jerick Ludhowe
Toxic Waste Industries
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Posted - 2012.09.26 21:29:00 -
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Muad 'dib wrote:Malcanis wrote:baumjoe wrote:Hey so I am looking for three fits for my Eos or any other fits people recommend.
I am looking for
a DPS fit
a Warfare link fit
And a Armour Tank fit
Any suggestions would be great. Step 1: Go back to 2006. Step 2: Buy 5x Ogre II... tbh that nerf came when other dps sucked compared to drones. if it was to get 5 ogres today without a dps bonus i dont think anyone would mind at all. Its dps is still in the scope of the myrm
DPS has not really changed much at all since then... It had far far far more to due with drone synergy with OP nos, than it had to do with the drones themselves.
What probably ended up happening is some QA dev got rolled by one and started a **** storm which ended in the ridiculous over nerfing it received. |
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery Swift Angels Alliance
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Posted - 2012.09.28 11:54:00 -
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I have used the Eos. It does near 700 DPS and can tank 700 DPS. With a Skirmish: Evasive T2 link, the sig radius is cruiser-sized. Eg; http://swift.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14732903
I'm plugging for the Eos. I really am. And its enjoyable to fly, looks good, and monsters things. Taking submissions for "Trinkets friendly Advice Column" via evemail or private convo in-game. Anonymity sorta guaranteed.
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