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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
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Posted - 2012.09.22 21:25:00 -
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Think about it: TDs are getting buffed in both strength (on bonused ships) and to affect missiles. On top of that, there will be:
- Two new drone destroyers (both armor tanked, and will presumably be able to fit a meta TD)
- Buffs to the Crucifier and Arbitrator making them into stronger drone ships; Maulus and Celestis also being buffed, with drones being their intended weapon system.
- Sentinel, Pilgrim and Curse being indirectly buffed
- Rebalanced Vexor (no details yet, but will likely remain armor tanked) and Tristan
- Nerfs to Drake and Hurricane making Myrmidon more viable for small gang PvP; plus, with 5 mids, guess what Ewar it will fit?
- Drone damage amplifiers (already a thing)
- New ewar drones
- Drones are the only weapon system immune to TDs and can even somewhat circumvent ECM and sensor damping.
All changes are pointing toward a massive buff for drone boats. Is the age of the drone here? Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - low/nullsec operations, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
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Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2012.09.22 21:33:00 -
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Gonna Smartbomb your World.
I honestly don't think TD's should be buffed beyond Missile Inclusion along with TE's and TC. They were good before the balance effort. |
silent uk
Sacred Templars RED.OverLord
5
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Posted - 2012.09.22 21:33:00 -
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Drones, the only weapon system that can be shot and destroyed... o wai |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
1555
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Posted - 2012.09.22 21:34:00 -
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I heard the Drake wasn't allowed to have damage projection...
Quote: [Myrmidon, Snipe]
Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Damage Control II Co-Processor II Tracking Enhancer II Signal Amplifier II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I Large Shield Extender II Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
250mm Railgun II, Spike M 250mm Railgun II, Spike M 250mm Railgun II, Spike M 250mm Railgun II, Spike M 250mm Railgun II, Spike M 250mm Railgun II, Spike M
Medium Sentry Damage Augmentor I Medium Sentry Damage Augmentor I [Empty Rig slot]
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TheBreadMuncher
Boxxed Up Industries EPIC Alliance
315
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Posted - 2012.09.22 21:50:00 -
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God I hope so. "We will create the introduction thread if that is requested by the community. Also, we will have an ISD Seminar about the CCL team in the coming weeks in which you can ask your questions about the CCL team and provide some constructive feedback to us." - Countless pages of locked threads and numerous permabanned accounts later, change is coming. |
No More Heroes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.22 21:52:00 -
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No . |
Dain Highwind
State Protectorate Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.09.22 22:29:00 -
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Yes but you still have missiles if you have to emerrgency warp out from combat. |
Kuehnelt
Devoid Privateering
297
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Posted - 2012.09.23 03:06:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:[list]
Two new drone destroyers (both armor tanked, and will presumably be able to fit a meta TD) Buffs to the Crucifier and Arbitrator making them into stronger drone ships; Maulus and Celestis also being buffed, with drones being their intended weapon system. Sentinel, Pilgrim and Curse being indirectly buffed 1. The Crucifier did not previously exist as a drone boat; the Winter Crucifier will have four unbonused lights out at a time. It's a TD boat that can scrape up to half the DPS of a Tristan-sans-DDA/MFS only after fitting two DDAs (assuming no turrets in the highslots, since it doesn't have a bonus for those either). The Arbitrator's only getting an extra lowslot, as far as 'strong drones' are concerned. I'd rather use that lowslot to drop to 800mm plate without losing EHP, so that it can fit more effective highslots.
2. All that we know about the Sentinel, Pilgrim, and Curse so far is that they're getting the new stronger TD bonus. Unbonused scripted TDs are already super effective, so I don't see what the big deal is about the TD bonus. And since everybody's talking about nerfing TDs+buffing Amarr TD bonuses to fix that, here's my idea: make TDs only scriptable on TD-bonused hulls.
But yeah, Amarrian drone boats have great synergy: 1) TD keeps the drones alive. 2) Against a drone boat which can launch lights to take care of your drones, Amarr have huge drone bays for other/replacement drones. Amarr are for this reason also the most likely to even have a flight of lights just for enemy drones, vs. two sets or only one flight of mediums or whatever. 3) Drones are a ******* terrible weapon system considering both damage and damage application, but the TDs give you an excuse to fly the hull, and can bring your opponent down to your level of ****** DPS, and meanwhile Amarrian patented 'brick'(R) technology allows for longer deployment of weaker effective DPS against what may be a weaker-tanked opponent.
All of that said, I'm absolutely terrible at cruiser PvP and have only put the Arbitrator to any respectable use in fleet combat in which the drones (and highslots) are almost completely irrelevant. My usual experience with Arbitrators is to lose them to groups of frigates (hi, OP, don't think I've forgotten your Kitsune) in which the best I ever do is drive off one of the attackers. So listen to the guy a few posts from now who exclaims that he's gotten two hundred kills this week with the Arbitrator and certainly won't stop using it when tiericide removes some of the suck from every other Amarrian cruiser. |
EvEa Deva
State War Academy Caldari State
82
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Posted - 2012.09.23 04:05:00 -
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So missiles are gonna be treated as turrets do gunnery skills help missiles now ? |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
1562
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Posted - 2012.09.23 04:31:00 -
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EvEa Deva wrote:So missiles are gonna be treated as turrets do gunnery skills help missiles now ? Tracking Enhancers and Tracking Computers will, yes, as well as Tracking Disruptors. Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - low/nullsec operations, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
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Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
1350
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Posted - 2012.09.23 04:56:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:I heard the Drake wasn't allowed to have damage projection... Quote: [Myrmidon, Snipe]
Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Damage Control II Co-Processor II Tracking Enhancer II Signal Amplifier II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Optimal Range Disruption Script Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Optimal Range Disruption Script Large Shield Extender II Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
250mm Railgun II, Spike M 250mm Railgun II, Spike M 250mm Railgun II, Spike M 250mm Railgun II, Spike M 250mm Railgun II, Spike M 250mm Railgun II, Spike M
Medium Sentry Damage Augmentor I Medium Sentry Damage Augmentor I [Empty Rig slot]
Warden II x3
Every snipe fleet aligns. So the first time you warp to avoid getting bubbled/tackled... how much of your damage was left behind? Yes, I know you have room in the drone bay for one more flight of three sentries. So after two warps, you have lost a majority of your damage. Also why would you pick rail-guns over artillery?
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
1562
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Posted - 2012.09.23 05:12:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:[ Every snipe fleet aligns. So the first time you warp to avoid getting bubbled/tackled... how much of your damage was left behind? Yes, I know you have room in the drone bay for one more flight of three sentries. So after two warps, you have lost a majority of your damage. Also why would you pick rail-guns over artillery? I'm bad, you see. I'm not saying the FotM will be good for me. I will likely fail at it as usual. Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - low/nullsec operations, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
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Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
239
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Posted - 2012.09.23 05:20:00 -
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Agreed
The only thing slower to effect damage than a missile is a Drone. TD always worked on Artillery. Nobody uses it. They aren't called GoonSquad. Nerf it, bring more ships.
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King Rothgar
Black Watch Guard Gl0rious Bastards
305
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Posted - 2012.09.23 07:08:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:I heard the Drake wasn't allowed to have damage projection... Quote: [Myrmidon, Snipe]
Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Damage Control II Co-Processor II Tracking Enhancer II Signal Amplifier II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Optimal Range Disruption Script Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Optimal Range Disruption Script Large Shield Extender II Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
250mm Railgun II, Spike M 250mm Railgun II, Spike M 250mm Railgun II, Spike M 250mm Railgun II, Spike M 250mm Railgun II, Spike M 250mm Railgun II, Spike M
Medium Sentry Damage Augmentor I Medium Sentry Damage Augmentor I [Empty Rig slot]
Warden II x3
And then you got alpha'd by a pair of tornados 80km away. The Troll is trolling. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
1562
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Posted - 2012.09.23 07:11:00 -
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King Rothgar wrote: And then you got alpha'd by a pair of tornados 80km away.
What sort of range does a TD'd Tornado get? Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - low/nullsec operations, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
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