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baltec1
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Posted - 2011.08.08 18:38:00 -
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The chav revolt has begun...
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Bane Necran
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.08.08 18:50:00 -
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Wouldn't call them all chavs.
Everyone there has legitimate reason to be ****ed off. If they didn't take it to such an extreme the matter would be buried and never see the light of day. I know i never heard a whisper about the shooting until the riots broke out.
More people should express their disapproval in such a fashion. Standing around singing kumbaya and being teargassed has never accomplished anything.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2011.08.08 19:00:00 -
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US Media is doing the usual "lie by omission" thing - probably afraid we'll get ideas..
so tell the yank what the heck is going on over there.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2011.08.08 19:01:00 -
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The BBC had was reporting on it well before the riots. This is nothing to do with the shooting or anything else, just bastards out destroying everything because they can.
Also, no tear gas has been used so far and the only water cannons used were from firemen under attack
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Kraven Stark
Caldari Atavism Industries
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Posted - 2011.08.08 19:06:00 -
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Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer US Media is doing the usual "lie by omission" thing - probably afraid we'll get ideas..
so tell the yank what the heck is going on over there.
From CNN, a US news agency: http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/08/08/uk.london.riots.tottenham/index.html?hpt=wo_t4
Also, NPR has been talking about it.
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Bane Necran
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.08.08 19:10:00 -
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Basically, police claim some guy opened fire on them for no apparent reason, and they had to shoot him.
From there it's the usual back and forth between police claiming he was a gang member and drug dealer, and his friends and relatives claiming he was a devoted family man. The only thing that really matters, and seems to be what set this whole thing off, is that he is believed by many to have been unarmed when shot and killed by the police.
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Bart Starr
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Posted - 2011.08.08 19:12:00 -
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No, in the US we are too busy watching our idiot 'Prez' blame everyone but himself for the downgrade/crashing economy.
Obama is politically dead meat. Hopefully there is still something left when he is 'retired'.
One Big Ass Mistake, America
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Citizen20100211442
Minmatar Carebear Evolution
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Posted - 2011.08.08 19:12:00 -
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Boohoo.. they are same like us
Boohoo.. we dont give them good jobs
Boohoo.. we oppress and use violence against them, it is our fault
Boohoo.. Brits used to colonize their lands 300 years ago - now they have rights to do what they want
Boohoo.. We should be more tolerant and more kind towards minorities
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Kraven Stark
Caldari Atavism Industries
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Posted - 2011.08.08 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: Bart Starr No, in the US we are too busy watching our idiot 'Prez' blame everyone but himself for the downgrade/crashing economy.
Obama is politically dead meat. Hopefully there is still something left when he is 'retired'.
One Big Ass Mistake, America
Let me guess, Fox News?
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Bart Starr
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Posted - 2011.08.08 19:20:00 -
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Nope, I work 16 hour days outdoors. No time for TV. I read the Economist.
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente Panta-Rhei Butterfly Effect Alliance
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Posted - 2011.08.08 19:21:00 -
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Originally by: Bart Starr No, in the US we are too busy watching our idiot 'Prez' blame everyone but himself for the downgrade/crashing economy.
Obama is politically dead meat. Hopefully there is still something left when he is 'retired'.
One Big Ass Mistake, America
I guess you are a tea-bagger supporter? Your party wanted this entire mess and worked for exactly this outcome. Right now the republicans are at the mercy of these guys who in general have less brains then god gave a lemming and half as much survival instinct. If you think the situation the momment is bad, then wait until you have Palin as a president. The **** hitting the fan will be too nice for a description.
Quote: Disclaimer: All mentioned above contains my opinion and is therefore an absolute truth (for me anyway, my universe, muhahaha.....ok, done
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Kraven Stark
Caldari Atavism Industries
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Posted - 2011.08.08 19:25:00 -
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Originally by: Bart Starr Nope, I work 16 hour days outdoors. No time for TV. I read the Economist.
Odd, I don't see how you could get your interesting summation based solely on The Economist. Must be some light reading supplemented with a lot of assumptions.
In any case, Joe Pantoliano said it best in The Matrix, apparently.
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Bart Starr
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Posted - 2011.08.08 19:37:00 -
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No, I read the Economist to see what the Brits think. American mags/newspapers are a complete joke (NYT? Newsweek?), with the possible exception of the Wall Street Journal and the National Review.
The Economist tends to kiss a lot of Obama butt, "Oh, we think free markets are important and smaller government are noble goals, but we support an American president that does the exact opposite. They still can't bring themselves to admit that the Obama presidency is a case study in how NOT to recover from a recession.
But its a dense mag, with well written articles even if their conclusions are often flawed.
Bought 8 1-oz Krugerrands back in December. Gold has gone up $350/oz since then. Why? Obama understands he is a one-termer and is now going to do as much damage as possible before he is thrown out, mainly by preventing Congress from making the reforms that are desperately needed.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2011.08.08 19:46:00 -
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Originally by: Bart Starr No, I read the Economist to see what the Brits think. American mags/newspapers are a complete joke (NYT? Newsweek?), with the possible exception of the Wall Street Journal and the National Review.
The Economist tends to kiss a lot of Obama butt, "Oh, we think free markets are important and smaller government are noble goals, but we support an American president that does the exact opposite. They still can't bring themselves to admit that the Obama presidency is a case study in how NOT to recover from a recession.
But its a dense mag, with well written articles even if their conclusions are often flawed.
Bought 8 1-oz Krugerrands back in December. Gold has gone up $350/oz since then. Why? Obama understands he is a one-termer and is now going to do as much damage as possible before he is thrown out, mainly by preventing Congress from making the reforms that are desperately needed.
1. The republitards are blocking everything that isnt their idea but got their numbers wrong to the tune of $2 trillion.
2. Now the Birmingham chav brigade have started rioting.
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Kraven Stark
Caldari Atavism Industries
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Posted - 2011.08.08 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: Bart Starr Bought 8 1-oz Krugerrands back in December. Gold has gone up $350/oz since then. Why? Obama understands he is a one-termer and is now going to do as much damage as possible before he is thrown out, mainly by preventing Congress from making the reforms that are desperately needed.
Wanna bet a Krugerrands on it?
If the right had anyone who could actually pull it off, I would at least concede to a close race, but they don't. Mitt Romney is the closest, but he is still no competition and Michele Bachmann makes Palin look sane so no dice there.
As for Obama understanding he is a one termer, yeah, that just is not so. Keep in mind here that the left, on nearly every major debate since Obama has been in office, have been actively negotiating with the Repubs, yet when the Repubs get within a ballpark of what they are looking for they change their demands. Not to mention the Repubs signing a contract with a lobbyist saying they will not raise taxes on the rich. The republicans are actively doing what they can to derail this term, unfortunately for them they are screwing around at one of the worst times possible.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.08.08 19:51:00 -
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Aren't they like rioting over there like every 3 or 4 months now?
Last one was over the spring I think. - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring |
baltec1
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Posted - 2011.08.08 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: Barakkus Aren't they like rioting over there like every 3 or 4 months now?
Last one was over the spring I think.
Students are on holiday so no riots from them till september and there are no G20 or G8 meetings in the uk any time soon so those nutters are also slumbering.
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Kijo Rikki
Caldari Point of No Return Waterboard
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Posted - 2011.08.08 20:01:00 -
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Don't think the American public hasn't noticed the party of NO. I do believe I know what my answer to them will be on the ballot box. Care to guess?
I find it remarkable that there are people who believe we can dig ourselves out of debt solely by cutting taxes. Even more remarkable is the belief that cutting taxes for corporations and wealthy Americans will result job creation. If there's only one thing to be learned from the last ten years, it should be that corporations care only about the bottom line, and they will take their tax cuts and still lay off thousands of workers.
May need to drag some folks back to 2000 when we handed former president Bush a surplus and watched him blow it within his first term on two wars, and tax breaks for the rich. Then bring people forward to the present and ask how cutting medicare and medicaid while maintaining said two wars and an enormous military budget and maintaining Bush era tax cuts is supposed to drag us out of this mess.
I'll wait right here for that answer.
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CCP Zymurgist
Gallente C C P
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Posted - 2011.08.08 20:10:00 -
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If you want to talk about the riots that is fine, but please do not get into political discussions.
Just a friendly reminder .
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baltec1
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Posted - 2011.08.08 20:17:00 -
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"2108: Aerial footage is showing what the BBC believes is a large furniture store on a street corner in Croydon completely ablaze."
They also torched a Greggs
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Dray
Caldari Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.08.08 20:22:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1 They also torched a Greggs
*****z burnt mah pasties.....
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Kurfin
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Posted - 2011.08.08 20:23:00 -
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I suppose this is a boost for the construction industry, silver lining and all that.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2011.08.08 20:26:00 -
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Originally by: Dray
Originally by: baltec1 They also torched a Greggs
*****z burnt mah pasties.....
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Oli Robbo
Gallente Entity.
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Posted - 2011.08.08 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Dray
Originally by: baltec1 They also torched a Greggs
*****z burnt mah pasties.....
it wasn't the greggs, it was next door. greggs is safe. [it's less than a minutes walk from my house in that photo]. I'll upload the roll of film when i get it developed tomorrow. should be some pretty sick photos on there.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2011.08.08 20:31:00 -
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Originally by: Oli Robbo
it wasn't the greggs, it was next door. greggs is safe. [it's less than a minutes walk from my house in that photo]. I'll upload the roll of film when i get it developed tomorrow. should be some pretty sick photos on there.
Last I saw the bulding next door was totaly on fire and missing the first floor with flames behind the greggs sign. TBH I didnt even know you had them in london.
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Tautut
The Union Of The Snake
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Posted - 2011.08.08 20:38:00 -
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The bastards don't know why they're rioting - they'll find an appropriate justification after the event - but in the meantime, they're all wearing brand new Nike trainers.
I sincerely hope nobody gets killed in those burning buildings.
The Union of the Snake [SNAKE]
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Bart Starr
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Posted - 2011.08.08 20:39:00 -
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Why are the 'chavs' revolting? Because the government started giving them lots of free money. I'm not talking about Republican 'tax cuts', where people keep more of what they earn. I'm talking about unearned income and benefits.
'Chavs' get accustomed to the free handouts, and when they become so expensive they must be withdrawn, they start breaking things, stealing ****, and worse, injuring or killing people.
Obama is trying to take us down that path, get 50%+ plus of the population dependent on government handouts so they will continue to vote (and riot) for more handouts - but fortunately, taxpaying Americans have woken up and said 'No more'.
And while I'm not a 'Tea Party' member, I agree with their goals.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.08.08 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Barakkus Aren't they like rioting over there like every 3 or 4 months now?
Last one was over the spring I think.
Students are on holiday so no riots from them till september and there are no G20 or G8 meetings in the uk any time soon so those nutters are also slumbering.
I think Chicago is getting a G20 or G8 soon, which I'm not looking forward to at all - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring |
baltec1
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Posted - 2011.08.08 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Bart Starr
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Less obama bashing bro.
As for chavs, they are revolting because they are chavs.
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Ultim8Evil
Ministry Of Eternal Disorder
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Posted - 2011.08.08 21:13:00 -
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Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer US Media is doing the usual "lie by omission" thing - probably afraid we'll get ideas..
so tell the yank what the heck is going on over there.
TL;DR
Some black gangnoob quite rightly gets shot dead by "dem white man" Police.
Black friends and black family claim he was innocent.
Aformentioned black friends and black family start "peaceful" protest.
**** goes down.
They accidentally our capital city. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Bane Necran
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.08.08 21:53:00 -
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Originally by: Ultim8Evil TL;DR
Some black gangnoob quite rightly gets shot dead by "dem white man" Police.
Black friends and black family claim he was innocent.
Aformentioned black friends and black family start "peaceful" protest.
I see mostly white people in all the videos.
At least in baltec's version they're all chavs. Every one of them. So you can hate them for being black without being racist.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2011.08.08 22:09:00 -
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Originally by: Bane Necran
At least in baltec's version they're all chavs. Every one of them. So you can hate them for being black without being racist.
Multiculturism at its best
Anyway latest is the riots are still going on with fires popping up all over the place in two cities now. Prime minister is on his way back from holiday and will hold a meeting of cobra in the morning.
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Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
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Posted - 2011.08.08 22:10:00 -
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The Violence has spread to Birmingham to. Quite funny to see Teresa May blame "sheer criminality" and claim it has "nothing to do with social or economic issues".
So several generations of young people, many of whom are from ethnic minority's, who received a poor education, have no prospects and live in ****hole communities and probably only turned out the way they have because of how/where and when they where brought up has nothing to do with it.
Because of course a whole group of disaffected youths isn't a social or economic reason, it doesn't justify it of course but it is what it is and those are the causes.
They have no respect for authority because in most cases authority figures have never, ever been of benefit to them, the people in uniforms or suits generally tend to make their lives difficult, often when they did nothing to warrant it.
Fortunatly noones been killed yet but if people still keep lighting fires that could soon change.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2011.08.08 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: Jhagiti Tyran The Violence has spread to Birmingham to. Quite funny to see Teresa May blame "sheer criminality" and claim it has "nothing to do with social or economic issues".
2302: Via Email Ashley in Clapham Junction writes: Just been watching a BMW x5 pull up, eight guys congregate around it for five mins putting their hoodies on and then they have run off to Battersea Rise to rob stuff. People been running up our road with televisions, hiding nicked stuff in gardens and under cars and then running back down for more. So many cars and vans are turning up with people just loading up. I can hear the alarms going off at the end of the road. All the people sound young, and they are laughing and enjoying themselves.
Sounds like criminals to me.
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Ultim8Evil
Ministry Of Eternal Disorder
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Posted - 2011.08.08 22:37:00 -
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Originally by: Jhagiti Tyran So several generations of young people, many of whom are from ethnic minority's, who received a poor education, have no prospects and live in ****hole communities
They could always **** off back where they came from and see how much better life is there?
Biting (or in this case, burning) the hand that feeds them.
The Syrian police have the right attitude to rioters. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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mogwai
Gallente Sparks of Insanity
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Posted - 2011.08.08 22:40:00 -
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i kinda liked the pic of the rioter walking across the street with the can of 'special brew' in his hand
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Blacksquirrel
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Posted - 2011.08.08 22:47:00 -
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Edited by: Blacksquirrel on 08/08/2011 22:49:44 What I read was.
Police were following suspect. For some reason stop him ahead instead of continuing to tail him. 4 shots are heard by witnesses Cop is injured (Dont say how) Police radio has a bullet in it. Suspect was shot. Heard from BBC that h had a gun...then heard "were not sure" Internal police show up at crime scene faster than usual. Cop told not to say anything under some sort of house arrest/leave. Family protests peacefully outside station.
Crowd forms and starts rioting near station. Crowd cant destroy all that much at station so **** with other peoples **** instead of continuing at the cops.
Seems similar to the college rate hike stuff... Meaning people were cool until others that weren't students showed up to destroy **** and dont care about the actual matter at hand.
Cnn just reported riots over shooting... BBC went into a bit more detail about the shooting and how the riots began.
Quote: They could always **** off back where they came from and see how much better life is there?
Biting (or in this case, burning) the hand that feeds them.
The Syrian police have the right attitude to rioters.
Damn can't believe I read that... So people should be squashed with tanks by their own government for wanting to elect their own government, and be allowed to leave their own country legally instead of having to sneak out? Or say be allowed to have a free press in terms of publication or freedom to read what they want?
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Tai Meijer
Caldari Malkutha
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Posted - 2011.08.08 22:56:00 -
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Typical filth behavior, sure the rioters are a bunch of naughty little feckers, but that's what the filth are counting on, it all starting when they gunned someone down (after lying about him firing at him) and understandably people got angry.
But i can't shake the feeling that this is all orchestrated, not to go all tin foil on people, but the filth have been whining about cuts to their pension, all of a sudden they 'can't manage' and 'it would be hard to control the streets' if they had their pensions cut, the funny thing is, they have handled things for a long time, and the cuts havn't even really started to kick in for them.
All this is, is the filth starting a fight by gunning down an innocent man, and then backing of when people get angry and saying to the goverment 'look what happens! And you want to cut our numbers?' scum, sack them and replace them, their are many who would do their job for the pay.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2011.08.08 23:07:00 -
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Originally by: Tai Meijer Anti police tin foil rant.
Possibly the most clueless person on these forums.
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Iggy Stooge
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2011.08.08 23:07:00 -
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Originally by: Blacksquirrel Edited by: Blacksquirrel on 08/08/2011 22:49:44 What I read was.
Police were following suspect. For some reason stop him ahead instead of continuing to tail him. 4 shots are heard by witnesses Cop is injured (Dont say how) Police radio has a bullet in it. ---- The bullet came from a police issue gun Suspect was shot. Heard from BBC that h had a gun...then heard "were not sure"---- gun recovered from scene was not a police issue gun, Is believed to have been found wrapped in a sock. Internal police show up at crime scene faster than usual. Cop told not to say anything under some sort of house arrest/leave. Family protests peacefully outside station. ---- 16 year old girl goes up to police line asking for answers about shooting, is shield charged to the ground and beaten with batons. Crowd reacts.
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jason hill
Caldari Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.08.08 23:09:00 -
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lol skoools out for summer ! im ****ing my pants laughing at the way the chavs are acting ... i should make a pretty penny outta this minor little ruckus ... asnd no ..im not a copper
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baltec1
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Posted - 2011.08.08 23:24:00 -
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Originally by: Iggy Stooge
What I read was.
Police were following suspect. For some reason stop him ahead instead of continuing to tail him. 4 shots are heard by witnesses Cop is injured (Dont say how) Police radio has a bullet in it. ---- The bullet came from a police issue gun
Rumor started by a paper, IPCC have yet to give any info on this
Suspect was shot. Heard from BBC that h had a gun...then heard "were not sure"---- gun recovered from scene was not a police issue gun, Is believed to have been found wrapped in a sock.
None police issue handgun confimed as found but rumor of it being in a sock is yet another rumor
Internal police show up at crime scene faster than usual.
IPCC always arrived very quickly after a shooting
Cop told not to say anything under some sort of house arrest/leave. Family protests peacefully outside station. ---- 16 year old girl goes up to police line asking for answers about shooting, is shield charged to the ground and beaten with batons. Crowd reacts.
16 year old was NOT hit by a shield, it is yet another rumor
Fixed.
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Karloth Valois
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.08.08 23:29:00 -
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Given I live about 10 mins from one of the fire's they have been showing on the news, I'm guessing its all starting to carm down, havent heard a siren rush past in about half an hour. Thats the longest gap between them all night.
And just to prove not everyone in the area is a fire starting chav, there are already plans by groups of people to go into town tomorrow help civil services clean up.
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Tai Meijer
Caldari Malkutha
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Posted - 2011.08.08 23:32:00 -
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Edited by: Tai Meijer on 08/08/2011 23:39:36
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Tai Meijer Anti police tin foil rant.
Possibly the most clueless person on these forums.
Get a clue will you? Police have already said that the bullet came from one of their guns. Now go take your head for a dump.
Fact is, after stockwell, no one is going to trust the filth any more, and rightly so. Let's hope they get the hiding they deserve. "UPDATE 22.30 HRS
IÆm starting to become very concerned that we may have been æStockwelledÆ by the original statement by the IPCC who said they believed that police may have been fired upon first.
It wouldnÆt take this long to disclose that an empty case belonging to the non-police handgun was found thus proving a shot was fired at police.
MET ACPO will already know what happened." From gadget, oh dear...
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baltec1
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Posted - 2011.08.08 23:39:00 -
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Originally by: Tai Meijer
Get a clue will you? Police have already said that the bullet came from one of their guns. Now go take your head for a dump.
Fact is, after stockwell, no one is going to trust the filth any more, and rightly so. Let's hope they get the hiding they deserve.
I would like to see where you got this info as none of the media sources I have looked at are carrying this and the IPCC told the BBC this morning that no info on the shooting had been given.
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Taedrin
Gallente Zero Percent Tax Haven
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Posted - 2011.08.08 23:40:00 -
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Edited by: Taedrin on 08/08/2011 23:40:38 Hellsing Ultimate 8 was released around a week ago. Coincidence? I think not!
This is CLEARLY the work of evil **** vampire zombies.
FAKE EDIT: Oh, **** is going to be censored, isn't it?
EDIT: Yup. ----------
Originally by: Dr Fighter "how do you know when youve had a repro accident"
Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
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Bart Starr
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Posted - 2011.08.08 23:41:00 -
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Personally? The best solution to idiot rioters (London and elsewhere) is to have an armed population of store owners.
During the 1993 LA Riots, the Koreans sat on top of their stores with AK-47s and AR-15s, with plenty of large capacity magazines. Self defense was especially important, because many of them actually LIVED in their stores.
African-American rioters show up. Warning shots fired, and the rioters said, "Aw, **** man....lets burn down some other place."
It is a good example of why it is important that large capacity magazines are legal. A typical AK-47 banana clip holds 30 rounds - enough for several warning shots, plus the ability to quickly reload and put down an entire angry mob - should they continue their attack.
I somehow think the London rioters wouldn't be so bold and destructive in their violent activity, if the property owners were allowed to defend themselves with deadly force. And if a few of them end up shot, well, hey, maybe they shouldn't have been rioting. *shrug*
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Tai Meijer
Caldari Malkutha
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Posted - 2011.08.08 23:42:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Tai Meijer
Get a clue will you? Police have already said that the bullet came from one of their guns. Now go take your head for a dump.
Fact is, after stockwell, no one is going to trust the filth any more, and rightly so. Let's hope they get the hiding they deserve.
I would like to see where you got this info as none of the media sources I have looked at are carrying this and the IPCC told the BBC this morning that no info on the shooting had been given.
From a police inspector blog.
"UPDATE 22.30 HRS
IÆm starting to become very concerned that we may have been æStockwelledÆ by the original statement by the IPCC who said they believed that police may have been fired upon first.
It wouldnÆt take this long to disclose that an empty case belonging to the non-police handgun was found thus proving a shot was fired at police.
MET ACPO will already know what happened." IPCC initially said he fired, then they retracted that comment"
My bold, stop talking dross now ok?
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Astenion
Gallente Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2011.08.08 23:50:00 -
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Originally by: Bart Starr And while I'm not a 'Tea Party' member, I agree with their goals.
There is no membership to the Tea Party. If you agree with them, then you are part of it...and part of the problem.
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Blacksquirrel
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Posted - 2011.08.08 23:52:00 -
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Originally by: Bart Starr Personally? The best solution to idiot rioters (London and elsewhere) is to have an armed population of store owners.
During the 1993 LA Riots, the Koreans sat on top of their stores with AK-47s and AR-15s, with plenty of large capacity magazines. Self defense was especially important, because many of them actually LIVED in their stores.
African-American rioters show up. Warning shots fired, and the rioters said, "Aw, **** man....lets burn down some other place."
It is a good example of why it is important that large capacity magazines are legal. A typical AK-47 banana clip holds 30 rounds - enough for several warning shots, plus the ability to quickly reload and put down an entire angry mob - should they continue their attack.
I somehow think the London rioters wouldn't be so bold and destructive in their violent activity, if the property owners were allowed to defend themselves with deadly force. And if a few of them end up shot, well, hey, maybe they shouldn't have been rioting. *shrug*
I always love the scenarios uber gun nuts come up with. And hell I like shooting and even own a gun. By that logic we should all be allowed to own 240G's in case the crowd is over 200, and the high capacity mags just wont cut it. If those fail perhaps a cannon with grapeshot. Napoleon did best know how to deal with a mob.
Or what if im a logger and my chain saw ran out of gas glad I have my mini gun to continue chipping down trees... We need to Russians to be powerful again to justify why everyone needs a mini armory in their house. All the other reason seem silly by comparison.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2011.08.08 23:58:00 -
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Why I am reminded of that scene from "V for Vendetta"?
You know, the one where the "cop" shoots the kid.
How is this going to end?
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Marwood Ford
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Posted - 2011.08.09 00:03:00 -
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Originally by: Bart Starr Personally? The best solution to idiot rioters (London and elsewhere) is to have an armed population of store owners.
Partial list of those killed in the LA riots from the New York Times, 4/5/92 (total death toll, 51):
http://www.nytimes.com/1992/05/04/us/riots-in-los-angeles-the-toll-some-of-50-killed-in-los-angeles-violence.html
But hey, you can't make an omlette...
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2011.08.09 00:07:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Astenion
Originally by: Bart Starr And while I'm not a 'Tea Party' member, I agree with their goals.
There is no membership to the Tea Party. If you agree with them, then you are part of it...and part of the problem.
Which tea party?
**** Armeys coopted tea party? Bought and paid for by the GOP, as was the intention. Ol' ****s gotta have something to do I guess.
You see, when a movement gets hijacked, and I see people railing against the hijacked version as to give it more weight, I think it's either a case of ignorance, or another example of a "script reader". I expect radio station personel and media sock puppets (pundits) to be script readers because that's what they are paid for.
Everybody else is just half-paying attention. Do you keep the news on the TV in the background and actually pay attention to it? Is it the FOX/CNN/MSNBC matrix? Bought and paid for.
I bring this up because there is an effort underway to control the arguments so that there are only two mindsets, one being a pro-socialist obamanoid mindset, and the other being a fascistic fake patriot statist mindset. Either way, those hwo see the false paradigms and the fake two-party system will be the first to go into the camps no matter which fake side wins.
In other words, you are displaying a kind of hateful blank-comment ignorance that, historically, ends in death camps.
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Blacksquirrel
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Posted - 2011.08.09 00:09:00 -
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http://gizmodo.com/5828830/6-tools-to-help-you-survive-a-riot-mob/gallery/1?preview=0
This is relevant.
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Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
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Posted - 2011.08.09 00:10:00 -
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Thread title needs changing to "UK is burning", rioting in Birmingham and Liverpool now.
Also I am personally looking forward to David Cameron trying to justify the budget cuts the police have suffered.
Its obvious they cant cope, sure the police are resisting in some areas but in others its a rout, 20 coppers running from gangs of several hundred.
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Nex apparatu5
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Posted - 2011.08.09 00:22:00 -
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Originally by: Astenion
Originally by: Bart Starr And while I'm not a 'Tea Party' member, I agree with their goals.
There is no membership to the Tea Party. If you agree with them, then you are part of it...and part of the problem.
Ahh, stereotyping at it's finest.
If you're a Republican or don't like Obama, you're a bible-thumping Faux News watching Teabagger.
God Bless America
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Bart Starr
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Posted - 2011.08.09 01:32:00 -
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Originally by: Astenion
Originally by: Bart Starr And while I'm not a 'Tea Party' member, I agree with their goals.
There is no membership to the Tea Party. If you agree with them, then you are part of it...and part of the problem.
Yes, its essentially a grassroots movement, so I suppose in the strictest sense, there is no 'membership'. I just never have gone to any actual 'Tea Parties', mainly because I am working too many hours in the summer, and living abroad in the winter.
Tea Party events still look like fun, as far as protests go. Silly colonial costumes, "Don't tread on me" flags, anti-Obama signs, and oh, yeah - complete absence of police, rioting, and burning cars.
The classy, nonviolent nature of the Tea Party really makes leftwing protesters look like the mindless thugs they are.
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Kraven Stark
Caldari Atavism Industries
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Posted - 2011.08.09 01:49:00 -
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Edited by: Kraven Stark on 09/08/2011 01:53:15 Edited by: Kraven Stark on 09/08/2011 01:52:43
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Tai Meijer
Get a clue will you? Police have already said that the bullet came from one of their guns. Now go take your head for a dump.
Fact is, after stockwell, no one is going to trust the filth any more, and rightly so. Let's hope they get the hiding they deserve.
I would like to see where you got this info as none of the media sources I have looked at are carrying this and the IPCC told the BBC this morning that no info on the shooting had been given.
There was mention of there being some question about the bullet in the CNN article.
Originally by: Bart Starr
Originally by: Astenion
Originally by: Bart Starr And while I'm not a 'Tea Party' member, I agree with their goals.
There is no membership to the Tea Party. If you agree with them, then you are part of it...and part of the problem.
Yes, its essentially a grassroots movement, so I suppose in the strictest sense, there is no 'membership'. I just never have gone to any actual 'Tea Parties', mainly because I am working too many hours in the summer, and living abroad in the winter.
Tea Party events still look like fun, as far as protests go. Silly colonial costumes, "Don't tread on me" flags, anti-Obama signs, and oh, yeah - complete absence of police, rioting, and burning cars.
The classy, nonviolent nature of the Tea Party really makes leftwing protesters look like the mindless thugs they are.
You must be talking about that rioting Fox News showed during the Anti-Union Debates. The one where Fox News was found out to have stock video of rioting groups to make it look like the protesters at the actual debate were out of control.
Also, you may want to educate yourself on why the Tea Party exists, who is pulling the strings and how people like you are being used by non-grassroots interest to get their way in DC. http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/08/30/100830fa_fact_mayer
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Bart Starr
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Posted - 2011.08.09 02:01:00 -
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Originally by: Blacksquirrel
I always love the scenarios uber gun nuts come up with. And hell I like shooting and even own a gun. By that logic we should all be allowed to own 240G's in case the crowd is over 200, and the high capacity mags just wont cut it. If those fail perhaps a cannon with grapeshot. Napoleon did best know how to deal with a mob.
Or what if im a logger and my chain saw ran out of gas glad I have my mini gun to continue chipping down trees... We need to Russians to be powerful again to justify why everyone needs a mini armory in their house. All the other reason seem silly by comparison.
Hey, fool. This isn't a 'scenario' that I made up. It happened.
I've finally had a chance read some of the coverage of the UK rioting. I don't know, I suppose some people see thugs smashing hardworking people's livelihoods and think they are just 'misguided youth' raging against the system.
Me, it just makes me angry.
I tend to imagine those rioters lying on the ground, ****ting their pants and crying, in a pool of blood and broken glass - after they were fatally gutshot by an angry, well-armed store owner. The thought actually cheers me up. Protesting the government is one thing, but the second you start attacking your fellow (productive) citizens, and you DESERVE a violent and painful end.
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Vogue
Short Bus Pole Dancers
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Posted - 2011.08.09 02:16:00 -
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People who make posts in these forums live thousands of miles apart but have much in common through their interest in EVE. But yet we can live in a big city and have very little relationship to poor citizens a few miles away. If I was brought up in a poor area I could have very likely taken to and be stuck in bad ways given my unabridged indifferent nature when I was young. Given that what I find amazing is the stories of people who have risen to great success from blighted poor backgrounds.
The hard general truth is that social mobility has not got better since 1910. And now its actually getting worse with the advent of the hyper rich and disenfranchised poor who lack the education and social skills to fit into service sector economies. We can give the poor government benefits to give them a quality of life far beyond of what they would have had in the first half of the 20th century. However their relative dysfunction will not change.
The UK government will say a lot of tough things but probably not clamp down really hard and let the riots run their course.
As Thatcher said there is no such thing as society.
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Kraven Stark
Caldari Atavism Industries
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Posted - 2011.08.09 02:20:00 -
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Originally by: Bart Starr
Hey, fool. This isn't a 'scenario' that I made up. It happened.
Wait, you are trying to compare today's Tea Party protests of today to the L.A. Riots that had nothing to do with either political party, and then say it was a Liberal riot? And I'm the fool?
You read, " The liberals sought to unite with other minorities in Los Angeles to fight against racial oppression and scapegoating.", and have no idea of the context. They are talking about liberal and conservative thinking in a general sense, not Donkeys and Elephants. Not only that but they are specifically talking about the Korean American community, not some fringe political group like the Tea Party.
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CLONE 9
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2011.08.09 06:41:00 -
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Originally by: Jhagiti Tyran Thread title needs changing to "UK is burning", rioting in Birmingham and Liverpool now.
Also I am personally looking forward to David Cameron trying to justify the budget cuts the police have suffered.
Its obvious they cant cope, sure the police are resisting in some areas but in others its a rout, 20 coppers running from gangs of several hundred.
Even the opposition minister for Justice has said that the Govt cuts have nothing to with the Police ability to react to this situation.
This is a criminality by greedy small minded people plain and simple. It has nothing to do with disaffected youth. 9. |
Holy One
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2011.08.09 07:10:00 -
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I like how all the different media have their own bias on it.
BBC. "David Milliband enjoying holiday! Nothing happening back home. Here's a photo of a white rioter just in case you thought it was a failure of multiculturalism or something!" Guardian. "The prolatariat is in revolt against their capitalist Tory overlords! The Republic is being born!" Daily Mail. "Immigrants finally show their true colours ..! Send them home! Bring back spotted **** and blazers!" etc.
I'm pretty sorry to admit I have no idea why organized street gangs are looting and burning for lols. I can't imagine it is just because they've twigged they can simply get away with it.
The UK hasn't had any 'law and order' for years now. Most of London is pretty lawless and 'justice' is a bit of a nebulous concept thanks to the human rights and liberal left wing bias in the press.
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Tai Meijer
Caldari Malkutha
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Posted - 2011.08.09 07:50:00 -
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Edited by: Tai Meijer on 09/08/2011 07:56:00
Originally by: Holy One I like how all the different media have their own bias on it.
BBC. "David Milliband enjoying holiday! Nothing happening back home. Here's a photo of a white rioter just in case you thought it was a failure of multiculturalism or something!" Guardian. "The prolatariat is in revolt against their capitalist Tory overlords! The Republic is being born!" Daily Mail. "Immigrants finally show their true colours ..! Send them home! Bring back spotted **** and blazers!" etc.
I'm pretty sorry to admit I have no idea why organized street gangs are looting and burning for lols. I can't imagine it is just because they've twigged they can simply get away with it.
The UK hasn't had any 'law and order' for years now. Most of London is pretty lawless and 'justice' is a bit of a nebulous concept thanks to the human rights and liberal left wing bias in the press.
Looks like the guys on the street have finally realised they don't need to pretend to care about the cctv anymore.
Have you seen the daily mail site? They arn't missing this one...
Still, it's better then this piece of stellar reporting...
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Louis deGuerre
Gallente Malevolence. Imperial 0rder
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Posted - 2011.08.09 07:54:00 -
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I gotta laugh at US citizens hijacking this thread. Seriously, you guys not got enough threads going ?
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baltec1
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Posted - 2011.08.09 08:45:00 -
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Originally by: Kraven Stark Edited by: Kraven Stark on 09/08/2011 01:53:15 Edited by: Kraven Stark on 09/08/2011 01:52:43
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Tai Meijer
Get a clue will you? Police have already said that the bullet came from one of their guns. Now go take your head for a dump.
Fact is, after stockwell, no one is going to trust the filth any more, and rightly so. Let's hope they get the hiding they deserve.
I would like to see where you got this info as none of the media sources I have looked at are carrying this and the IPCC told the BBC this morning that no info on the shooting had been given.
There was mention of there being some question about the bullet in the CNN article.
Found it mentioned in the star last night but its just rumor at this point. No official report yet just maby it was this or perhaps that happened.
Needless to say the police lost control last night and this no longer has anything to do with that shooting. Bastards are just out to steal and torch anything they can.
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Ultim8Evil
Ministry Of Eternal Disorder
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Posted - 2011.08.09 08:57:00 -
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I'm surprised to see that rioting has started in Liverpool now.
If my memory serves me correctly, the last time they all huddled together and started pushing and shoving, it didn't work out too well for them? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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baltec1
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Posted - 2011.08.09 09:14:00 -
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Originally by: Ultim8Evil I'm surprised to see that rioting has started in Liverpool now.
If my memory serves me correctly, the last time they all huddled together and started pushing and shoving, it didn't work out too well for them?
Its a chav hot spot. I wouldn't be superised to see Newcastle go up in flames tonight tbh.
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Eolithic WithaTwist
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2011.08.09 09:25:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Kraven Stark
Originally by: Bart Starr No, in the US we are too busy watching our idiot 'Prez' blame everyone but himself for the downgrade/crashing economy.
Obama is politically dead meat. Hopefully there is still something left when he is 'retired'.
One Big Ass Mistake, America
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Nerath Naaris
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Posted - 2011.08.09 10:29:00 -
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So, some three months from now, will they stand outside the gates of Parliament, and together shall give them a fifth of November that shall never, ever be forgot?
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Marwood Ford
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Posted - 2011.08.09 10:40:00 -
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Originally by: Bart Starr Hey, fool. This isn't a 'scenario' that I made up. It happened.
I've finally had a chance read some of the coverage of the UK rioting. I don't know, I suppose some people see thugs smashing hardworking people's livelihoods and think they are just 'misguided youth' raging against the system.
Me, it just makes me angry.
I tend to imagine those rioters lying on the ground, ****ting their pants and crying, in a pool of blood and broken glass - after they were fatally gutshot by an angry, well-armed store owner. The thought actually cheers me up. Protesting the government is one thing, but the second you start attacking your fellow (productive) citizens, and you DESERVE a violent and painful end.
Bart, while there is an argument to be made for liberalising gun control, the LA Riots is a terrible illustration. The Korean shop owners weren't simply protecting their businesses, they were protecting their lives from armed looters who fired on them. 50-55 people were killed, some of them entirely innocent men and women shot by rioters, and it took the National Guard and US Marines to restore order. Your little Charles Bronson scenario might cheer you up, but it's not the full story.
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Shock Blade
Corporation546846101
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Posted - 2011.08.09 11:09:00 -
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To anyone that thinks there anything but mindless thugs, just check out any of the hundred videos on-line...
https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=10150333636850851&comments
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.08.09 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: Shock Blade To anyone that thinks there anything but mindless thugs, just check out any of the hundred videos on-line...
https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=10150333636850851&comments
So helping the kid up and then taking all the **** out of his backpack makes them somehow better than mindless thugs? - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring |
Marwood Ford
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Posted - 2011.08.09 11:50:00 -
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Shock Blade is saying that they are mindless thugs.
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Florio
Miniature Giant Space Hamsters
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Posted - 2011.08.09 11:54:00 -
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Edited by: Florio on 09/08/2011 11:56:23 Evidently there are more riots in different areas planned for the next couple of days. Residents of potentially affected areas are, I think, being warned.
All the footage and pictures I've seen show whites as well as blacks, so it doesn't seem to be about race.
This isn't about someone being shot or about a revolt. Anyone in London has experienced these subclass of people (I wouldn't say they are chavs btw, they're a much bigger underclass than that burberry-toting lot). They'll gang up and push you on the street in daylight, mug you if you're alone at night, rush into a convenience store and steal cheap crap before charging out again, brandish a knife or handgun if you stand up to them. They're scum, albeit ones that are ultimately victims of their own culture.
I left London some time ago because it was turning into the **** hole you see now. A whole group of youngsters have basically grown up without proper parenting (the source of the problem imho), and in communities ravaged by drugs and poverty. You can see it in schools in London, where even 7 yr olds are completely unmanageable.
We need some way to get children to have better parents. This is easily said, but means a whole load of political correctness barriers need to come down to be constructively discussed. For instance, why does the UK have significant teen pregnancies? The overwhelmingly greatest source is from afro caribbean heritage teenage girls, whose partners invariably become absent. That isn't even the tip of the iceberg, but imho anyone like Darkus Howe who tries to blame anyone but the thugs themselves and their communities can sod off.
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Zhula Guixgrixks
Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations
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Posted - 2011.08.09 13:31:00 -
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"...here's a sad truth, expressed by a Londoner when asked by a television reporter: Is rioting the correct way to express your discontent?
"Yes," said the young man. "You wouldn't be talking to me now if we didn't riot, would you?"
The TV reporter from Britain's ITV had no response. So the young man pressed his advantage. "Two months ago we marched to Scotland Yard, more than 2,000 of us, all blacks, and it was peaceful and calm and you know what? Not a word in the press. Last night a bit of rioting and looting and look around you..."
MSNBC article
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Citizen20100211442
Minmatar Carebear Evolution
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Posted - 2011.08.09 13:42:00 -
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Quote: All the footage and pictures I've seen show whites as well as blacks, so it doesn't seem to be about race.
I am sure you mean this -
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Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
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Posted - 2011.08.09 13:44:00 -
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This article is probably the best explanation of why this is happening. (very different from justification and in this case there is none to be had)
i Article
A good insight into how and why we have a complete sub culture in Britain that don't give a ****, have no respect for authority and see it as quite normal and even "fun" to go out and do what they have been doing.
And to any who believe they are just criminals and the social situation has nothing to do with it just think of about this, how many upper middle class youths (regardless of ethnicity) are out involved in these riots? its all "chavs" and "hoodies" (and their parents to, who where also "chavs and hoodies" ten years ago)
Even when the riots stop the problems wont go away, they will still be there on the fringes of society, out causing crime and damaging property and lives just on a less obvious scale. Maybe something good might come from these riots and changes will be made to try and fix the problems.
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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2011.08.09 13:47:00 -
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Strange, whenever I see pictures or videos of those rioters, they always have a black skin or are of Arab origin. Why do the media conceal, that these are ethic riots and not just some kids that gone wild ? I know there are efforts to stay "politically correct", but this totally disfigures the reasons and motivations of the rioters. People should be allowed to know, what it's going on and the backgrounds of it. Does this in the end have something to do with the Ramadan ? I heard people are more likely to become aggressive, when they are hungry (has something to do with low blood sugar).
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Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
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Posted - 2011.08.09 14:09:00 -
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Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Strange, whenever I see pictures or videos of those rioters, they always have a black skin or are of Arab origin. Why do the media conceal, that these are ethic riots and not just some kids that gone wild ? I know there are efforts to stay "politically correct", but this totally disfigures the reasons and motivations of the rioters. People should be allowed to know, what it's going on and the backgrounds of it. Does this in the end have something to do with the Ramadan ? I heard people are more likely to become aggressive, when they are hungry (has something to do with low blood sugar).
There are all kinds of racial groups involved, there are Asians, Middle eastern, Black, white (from all over Europe) and mixed race with a bit from everywhere. The media isn't making such an issue about that because race isn't really the issue at all.
Its a class issue.
its involving all the people from the broken British sub culture, the chavs, the yobs and all the other people who have nothing invested in society.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.08.09 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: Citizen20100211442
Quote: All the footage and pictures I've seen show whites as well as blacks, so it doesn't seem to be about race.
I am sure you mean this - http://s3.postimage.org/cjehgblys/theftclothes.jpg
wtf? - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring |
Citizen20100211442
Minmatar Carebear Evolution
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Posted - 2011.08.09 14:31:00 -
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Quote: Its a class issue.
Not really. After floods in New Orleans, even cops robbed stores (and they was black). It's a matter of IQ, and average IQ's between races are different. Take a look at japans , who has average IQ of 105 , and you see no loots and pillages at all, during Fukushima's accident.
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Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
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Posted - 2011.08.09 14:39:00 -
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Originally by: Citizen20100211442
Quote: Its a class issue.
Not really. After floods in New Orleans, even cops robbed stores (and they was black). It's a matter of IQ, and average IQ's between races are different. Take a look at japans , who has average IQ of 105 , and you see no loots and pillages at all, during Fukushima's accident.
Theres a massive difference in looting during a natural disaster and looting because a critical mass of people who no longer give a **** forming.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2011.08.09 14:41:00 -
[84]
I am starting to smell a rat and reach for the tin foil over this.
There are always dirtbags who want to riot, loot stuff, wreck things, etc. Seriously, you blokes wreck towns over soccer games. Why would there be anything new here?
But why now? Why so easily?
Curfews are also being discussed as authorities prepare to transform Britain into a locked down police state.
Quote: These youths should not be seen as the vanguard of some kind of genuine revolution against an abusive system. If that were the case they would be rioting outside of Downing Street, the Houses of Parliament and Buckingham Palace. Instead they are burning down private homes and businesses while looting high-end electrical goods and clothing.
Funny thing is, Britain already seemed like a locked down police state. Britain has always been the laboratory for police statism. In the US we watch what you get away with (or what your government gets away with) and then plan on preventing our government from following it. Usually they try.
So is this the new angle? Cops step back, let chavs or whatever you call them - I think this is the British version of "thug" - run amok, then it's martial law time. I wonder if that would work in the US? New Orleans was an experiement. Heck we have cops going to prison for gunning people down for crossing a bridge.
Whatever happens, expect your lives to get worse. One thing I always known is that the world is full of knuckleheads who want to do all kinds of rotten things, but they don't until government lets them, and for reasons only a government can benefit from. Usually the "anarchists" tend to have the same build and the same clothes. We call it false flag.
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Citizen20100211442
Minmatar Carebear Evolution
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Posted - 2011.08.09 14:41:00 -
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Edited by: Citizen20100211442 on 09/08/2011 14:42:48
Quote: Theres a massive difference in looting during a natural disaster and looting because a critical mass of people who no longer give a **** forming.
Those "races defenders" are great masters to find various excuses
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2011.08.09 16:12:00 -
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How come the government buildings are not burning?
My take:
"Protected (minorities) groups" allowed to run amok. Scared (white) people clamor for more police state.
The best tyranny is the one you get tricked into begging for.
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Karloth Valois
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.08.09 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: Jhagiti Tyran Edited by: Jhagiti Tyran on 09/08/2011 14:27:02
Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Strange, whenever I see pictures or videos of those rioters, they always have a black skin or are of Arab origin. Why do the media conceal, that these are ethic riots and not just some kids that gone wild ? I know there are efforts to stay "politically correct", but this totally disfigures the reasons and motivations of the rioters. People should be allowed to know, what it's going on and the backgrounds of it. Does this in the end have something to do with the Ramadan ? I heard people are more likely to become aggressive, when they are hungry (has something to do with low blood sugar).
There are all kinds of racial groups involved, there are Asians, Middle eastern, Black, white (from all over Europe) and mixed race with a bit from everywhere. The media isn't making such an issue about that because race isn't really the issue at all.
Its a class issue.
its involving all the people from the broken British sub culture, the chavs, the yobs and all the other people who have nothing invested in society.
Check the white man robbing this injured guy on the street, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14456065 its a good microcosm of the different racial groups involved in the riots.
Nothing to do with class either any more. There was a list of people on news today that have already been in front of courts, all differant races, regigions and ages, and some have good high paid jobs, well educated and some not even living in the area, they have traveled to cause havoc. and that was just a few that already been in court. Some had spotless records before this.
Its now just a excuse to burn **** and loot. Started as a protest against police in north london, now just people doing it because they can. No racial class or religious bounderies for being a ****
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.08.09 16:44:00 -
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I'm almost tempted to go out and get some guns personally, seems like the world is going further and further to **** exponentially every year...I wouldn't doubt that there may be a real possibility of the collapse of western civilization hanging on the horizon.
...although didn't this **** happen over in the UK a lot in the 1970s too? - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring |
Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2011.08.09 16:51:00 -
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England is a postindustrial wasteland as is, see it as the riots burning buildings to open up for new ones that doesn't depress the hell out of you on sight.
As for the people out rioting, I think that says a lot about the current state of affairs and public eduction in England.
Credit to the police for not opening up on the rioters already in unilateral moves but abiding by policy and awaiting instructions, there's that discipline that made the world England. That said I do believe rubber bullets should be deployed, if they haven't already.
If it was the US they'd been gunned down already, if it was Syria they'd been gunned down and we might not even have heard it, if... who are we kidding, every time it happens in China they're gunned down and we hear nothing of it.
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Posted - 2011.08.09 16:54:00 -
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Edited by: v0cal minority on 09/08/2011 16:54:46
Originally by: Bart Starr
Why are the 'chavs' revolting? Because the government started giving them lots of free money. I'm not talking about Republican 'tax cuts', where people keep more of what they earn. I'm talking about unearned income and benefits.
'Chavs' get accustomed to the free handouts, and when they become so expensive they must be withdrawn, they start breaking things, stealing ****, and worse, injuring or killing people.
Obama is trying to take us down that path, get 50%+ plus of the population dependent on government handouts so they will continue to vote (and riot) for more handouts - but fortunately, taxpaying Americans have woken up and said 'No more'.
And while I'm not a 'Tea Party' member, I agree with their goals.
Please stop pontificating on matters you clearly know sod all about. If this is because we give benefits to the unemployed (which have not been withdrawn BTW) please explain why countries like Sweden, where benefits are far more extensive than here in the UK, have not had any issues like this ?
Not everything in the world is related to you the US
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Gallente Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Originally by: Wendat Huron
Credit to the police for not opening up on the rioters already in unilateral moves but abiding by policy and awaiting instructions, there's that discipline that made the world England. That said I do believe rubber bullets should be deployed, if they haven't already.
I cannot figure out how in a country where the police can knock heads and even kill protestors during a G summit, where there are cameras everywhere, are now all of a sudden showing restraint.
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Stellar Solutions
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Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Originally by: Wendat Huron
Credit to the police for not opening up on the rioters already in unilateral moves but abiding by policy and awaiting instructions, there's that discipline that made the world England. That said I do believe rubber bullets should be deployed, if they haven't already.
I cannot figure out how in a country where the police can knock heads and even kill protestors during a G summit, where there are cameras everywhere, are now all of a sudden showing restraint.
Different leadership?
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Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Originally by: Wendat Huron
Credit to the police for not opening up on the rioters already in unilateral moves but abiding by policy and awaiting instructions, there's that discipline that made the world England. That said I do believe rubber bullets should be deployed, if they haven't already.
I cannot figure out how in a country where the police can knock heads and even kill protestors during a G summit, where there are cameras everywhere, are now all of a sudden showing restraint.
Last time that went over poorly perhaps they learned? Although I did just read they got permission to use rubber bullets for later tonight. Which makes lol as why they weren't using them earlier? Especially as they already used dogs. In terms of pain and potential damage inflicted they're about the same.
I also like the comments about if this were the in the USA the cops would have already mowed them down with machine guns, or loosed the marines with close air support. Granted in the 60's the cops went overboard but the cops went overboard plenty of times in the UK and Northern Ireland as well.
I also like that there are google maps up of riot locations. It benefits both the looters and people wishing to avoid such areas. Tis a brave new world for random wanton destruction.
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Sgt Blade
Caldari Save Yourself Inc.
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Posted - 2011.08.09 17:55:00 -
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WTH I go on holiday for 2 months and now that I'm back we have idiots rioting, looting and generally being an arse towards the general public should have stayed in China for another month, at least they know how to stop riots/protests properly
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Ayieka
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.08.09 18:04:00 -
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imma give it 5 days till we in the US start rioting just because it looked fun.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2011.08.09 18:25:00 -
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jason hill
Caldari Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.08.09 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: Wendat Huron
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Originally by: Wendat Huron
Credit to the police for not opening up on the rioters already in unilateral moves but abiding by policy and awaiting instructions, there's that discipline that made the world England. That said I do believe rubber bullets should be deployed, if they haven't already.
I cannot figure out how in a country where the police can knock heads and even kill protestors during a G summit, where there are cameras everywhere, are now all of a sudden showing restraint.
ok ...this is how it is .... the government are on holiday the cops cannot do any without direct government approval. the cops have just had thier budget slashed .the kids think that they can do what the hell they want because of the financial constraints imposed upon the cops. the cops see this as a golden oppurtunity to force the point to not cut thier budget ...so they just let the kids run amok to force the point that cutting police numbers and budgets is wrong . tonight its been announced the the cops have been given free reign to go in mob handed .so if i were i would go out to grab some free trainers
Different leadership?
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Bart Starr
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Posted - 2011.08.09 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: Marwood Ford
Bart, while there is an argument to be made for liberalising gun control, the LA Riots is a terrible illustration. The Korean shop owners weren't simply protecting their businesses, they were protecting their lives from armed looters who fired on them. 50-55 people were killed, some of them entirely innocent men and women shot by rioters, and it took the National Guard and US Marines to restore order. Your little Charles Bronson scenario might cheer you up, but it's not the full story.
I am not advocating the police open fire on the looters.
However, at an elemental level a store owner should be allowed, or even encouraged to use deadly force to prevent an invasion of his home or business. Its called the Castle Doctrine, rooted in English Common law.
In the US it goes further, with many (mostly red) states passing 'Stand your Ground' legislation - meaning you can legally meet force with force, not just in your home/vehicle/business - but ANY place you are legally allowed to be.
Meaning: if a thug threatens you (or a companion) on a public sidewalk with a potentially deadly weapon, you are within your rights to shoot them dead with NO legal repercussions. Case closed.
Personally, I think Britain needs to relax idiotic restrictions on LEGAL firearm ownership, and this is a prime example of WHY. Hell, plenty of Brit criminals already have them. Law abiding citizens should be allowed to defend their persons and livelihoods from human scum that just want to loot and destroy.
I am not intimately familiar with UK Law, but I have a feeling if some poor corner-grocery clerk shot an intruding thug, he'd be in more trouble than ANY of the members of the mob. That needs to change pronto, because the police clearly are not willing or able to protect the public. Armed shopkeepers and a few dead looters would go along way to discourage further riots.
Self-defense is a right, not a privilege.
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Originally by: Ayieka imma give it 5 days till we in the US start rioting just because it looked fun.
Never happen, people in this country are too busy texting and finding out who is sleeping with who to care. - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring |
Albetta
Gallente Construction Cabal Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: Ayieka imma give it 5 days till we in the US start rioting just because it looked fun.
Never happen, people in this country are too busy texting and finding out who is sleeping with who to care.
Bread and circuses. Keep your people fat and happy and they won't care if they are your slaves.
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Edited by: Nerath Naaris on 09/08/2011 19:34:19 And here is the official theme song! Enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOe9PJrbo0s
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Bane Necran
Minmatar
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Originally by: Nerath Naaris Edited by: Nerath Naaris on 09/08/2011 19:34:19 And here is the official theme song! Enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOe9PJrbo0s
This is much better.
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2011.08.09 19:42:00 -
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Looting fever is spreading.
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jason hill
Caldari Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
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tbh this wouldnt of happend if it wasnt for the ECHR .the kids think they are untouchable . but the cops wont take any prisoners tonight ...i hope . I cant see this happening after tonight ...and i cant see this law being on the statue books for much longer which will be for the good of us all uk residents
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Originally by: jason hill tbh this wouldnt of happend if it wasnt for the ECHR .the kids think they are untouchable . but the cops wont take any prisoners tonight ...i hope . I cant see this happening after tonight ...and i cant see this law being on the statue books for much longer which will be for the good of us all uk residents
At least think up your own trolls.
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Originally by: Mag's Looting fever is spreading.
I love that video...that bird does that like every day too. - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring |
jason hill
Caldari Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
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Edited by: jason hill on 09/08/2011 19:48:57 im not a troll m8 ... i work for this mob atm Linkage
edit it wasnt me that spent ú28 in a pair of wimmins knickers
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Originally by: Bart Starr However, at an elemental level a store owner should be allowed, or even encouraged to use deadly force to prevent an invasion of his home or business. Its called the Castle Doctrine, rooted in English Common law.
Chap, the "Castle Doctrine" that you talk about is in the US not the UK! It derives from English common law, it isnt in Engish Law!
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Personally, I think Britain needs to relax idiotic restrictions on LEGAL firearm ownership, and this is a prime example of WHY. Hell, plenty of Brit criminals already have them. Law abiding citizens should be allowed to defend their persons and livelihoods from human scum that just want to loot and destroy.
A stupid idea, if we are armed, the police are armed, then guess what.... Yep, you got it the looters are armed to! Its bad enough they are destroying what they are fighting for! Without shooting each other as well!
The government knew this was coming they have been warned by the old bill, but didnt care! If they wanna burn something they should hit parliament!
Oh well, here comes another restless night for us
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Karloth Valois
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.08.09 20:59:00 -
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Seriously stop saying a solution is to relax gun laws, because as the guy above mentioned the rioters will have guns too, so then you just have more problems for both sides. Also this started becauseof a shooting, why do we want more?
No offence to Americans in here, but its hard to take Gun Control advice from a country with one of the highest levels of gun crime in the world, and one of the highest murder rates
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Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
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Posted - 2011.08.09 21:04:00 -
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Originally by: Bart Starr but I have a feeling if some poor corner-grocery clerk shot an intruding thug, he'd be in more trouble than ANY of the members of the mob.
And what if a member of the public staggered into an empty looted shop to hide from the mob and ended up being killed? Americans always talk the good talk about how everyone can be bad ass gunslingers defending themselves at the ok corral and completely forget that most people in these situations are scared and untrained.
The police shooting that sparked the initial riots have shown that even highly trained firearms officers can get confused in the heat of the moment because they where convinced they where fired upon.
The LA riots are the perfect example of why Britain's firearms laws do in fact work, we have had savage riots as often as the US but the death toll is always very, very low if anyone actually dies at all, usually there are 1-2 deaths max. If people where running around with guns we would have had blood baths like in the US.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.08.09 21:06:00 -
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Originally by: Karloth Valois Seriously stop saying a solution is to relax gun laws, because as the guy above mentioned the rioters will have guns too, so then you just have more problems for both sides. Also this started becauseof a shooting, why do we want more?
No offence to Americans in here, but its hard to take Gun Control advice from a country with one of the highest levels of gun crime in the world, and one of the highest murder rates
Gun crime is significantly lower in places where the gun laws are lax generally. Probably why there aren't as many riots either...just sayin... - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring |
Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.08.09 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: Jhagiti Tyran
Originally by: Bart Starr but I have a feeling if some poor corner-grocery clerk shot an intruding thug, he'd be in more trouble than ANY of the members of the mob.
And what if a member of the public staggered into an empty looted shop to hide from the mob and ended up being killed? Americans always talk the good talk about how everyone can be bad ass gunslingers defending themselves at the ok corral and completely forget that most people in these situations are scared and untrained.
The police shooting that sparked the initial riots have shown that even highly trained firearms officers can get confused in the heat of the moment because they where convinced they where fired upon.
The LA riots are the perfect example of why Britain's firearms laws do in fact work, we have had savage riots as often as the US but the death toll is always very, very low if anyone actually dies at all, usually there are 1-2 deaths max. If people where running around with guns we would have had blood baths like in the US.
LA riots happened 20 years ago, and well, there have been 13 riots in the US since, and most of them happened on college campuses/areas, and were pretty much drunkeness gone out of control. There have been maybe 1 or two that weren't related to stupid college kids getting drunk for the most part. Fatalities from most riots haven't been because of our gun laws either...
...you guys on the other hand seem to be putting on some form of rioting every few months lately... - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring |
Sasio Shihari
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Posted - 2011.08.09 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: v0cal minority Edited by: v0cal minority on 09/08/2011 16:54:46
Originally by: Bart Starr
Why are the 'chavs' revolting? Because the government started giving them lots of free money. I'm not talking about Republican 'tax cuts', where people keep more of what they earn. I'm talking about unearned income and benefits.
'Chavs' get accustomed to the free handouts, and when they become so expensive they must be withdrawn, they start breaking things, stealing ****, and worse, injuring or killing people.
Obama is trying to take us down that path, get 50%+ plus of the population dependent on government handouts so they will continue to vote (and riot) for more handouts - but fortunately, taxpaying Americans have woken up and said 'No more'.
And while I'm not a 'Tea Party' member, I agree with their goals.
Please stop pontificating on matters you clearly know sod all about. If this is because we give benefits to the unemployed (which have not been withdrawn BTW) please explain why countries like Sweden, where benefits are far more extensive than here in the UK, have not had any issues like this ?
Not everything in the world is related to you the US
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Selinate
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.08.09 21:37:00 -
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Originally by: Barakkus LA riots happened 20 years ago, and well, there have been 13 riots in the US since, and most of them happened on college campuses/areas, and were pretty much drunkeness gone out of control. There have been maybe 1 or two that weren't related to stupid college kids getting drunk for the most part. Fatalities from most riots haven't been because of our gun laws either...
...you guys on the other hand seem to be putting on some form of rioting every few months lately...
Hmmm? If I remember correctly, there has been more than one riot in L.A...
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Selinate
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.08.09 21:45:00 -
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Edited by: Selinate on 09/08/2011 21:45:38
Originally by: Bart Starr
Why are the 'chavs' revolting? Because the government started giving them lots of free money. I'm not talking about Republican 'tax cuts', where people keep more of what they earn. I'm talking about unearned income and benefits.
'Chavs' get accustomed to the free handouts, and when they become so expensive they must be withdrawn, they start breaking things, stealing ****, and worse, injuring or killing people.
Obama is trying to take us down that path, get 50%+ plus of the population dependent on government handouts so they will continue to vote (and riot) for more handouts - but fortunately, taxpaying Americans have woken up and said 'No more'.
And while I'm not a 'Tea Party' member, I agree with their goals.
*COUGH* are you retar*ed?
God, no wonder our country has such huge problems, with idiots like you who are able to vote, everyone gets to suffer for it.
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Bart Starr
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Posted - 2011.08.09 21:53:00 -
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Sounds like some people are sad that people in the US aren't rioting as well.
Don't think it would go well in the parts of the US I am familiar with (Alaska and South Carolina). Very high rates of private gun ownership + plenty rednecks who would only be too happy to 'volunteer' = a lot of dead rioters. On CNN they'd cry, and dial up the NAACP, the New York Times would demand gun control. The rest of us would laugh, change the channel and watch the action on Fox News.
Considering that criminals in Britain are already armed, I don't see a huge problem with law-abiding British citizens arming themselves as well. A loaded shotgun is an incredible deterrent to breaking and entering.
"But, but, but, what if the rioters start carrying guns??"
A) Some of them already are. B) If looters decide to escalate beyond cricket bats and molotov cocktails, the military is brought in and a curfew is imposed. My guess is that this cowardly bunch of rioters would disappear very quickly in the face of armed resistance.
I hardly see how things could get much worse - arson and aggravated assault are deadly serious crimes that warrant an armed response.
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Myfanwy Heimdal
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.08.09 21:57:00 -
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Not Very Bright Department:
An 18-year-old man has been arrested by Tayside Police in connection with Facebook entries encouraging others to gather in Dundee city centre with weapons to riot. The teenager is due to appear at Dundee Sheriff Court on Wednesday morning.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.08.09 22:00:00 -
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Originally by: Selinate
Hmmm? If I remember correctly, there has been more than one riot in L.A...
One I think: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_riots#1990s_-_2000
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Selinate
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.08.09 22:00:00 -
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Originally by: Bart Starr
Sounds like some people are sad that people in the US aren't rioting as well.
Don't think it would go well in the parts of the US I am familiar with (Alaska and South Carolina). Very high rates of private gun ownership + plenty rednecks who would only be too happy to 'volunteer' = a lot of dead rioters. On CNN they'd cry, and dial up the NAACP, the New York Times would demand gun control. The rest of us would laugh, change the channel and watch the action on Fox News.
Here it comes. The idiotic right wing nut who thinks "IF THIS DURN STUFFN'Z HAPPENINS IN MY STATES, WE'D KILL 'EM GOOD".
Go sit in a corner like you normally would when someone threatens you, stupid bumpkin. Go slap your wife and kid around some more.
The truth: You'd just weep and cry like a baby if the area you live had ongoing riots. You'd probably get yourself killed because, like most stupid rednecks of your kind, your bark is much MUCH worse than your bite (primarily for how stupid and grating to the ears it is).
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Selinate
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.08.09 22:03:00 -
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Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: Selinate
Hmmm? If I remember correctly, there has been more than one riot in L.A...
One I think: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_riots#1990s_-_2000
So far, the UK is up on the US in number of riots, especially recently.
Well, there was one for Rodney King in the 90's...
Yeah, I was thinking about one much further back in the 60's... nvm.
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Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.08.09 22:05:00 -
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oh yes this is a matter of race.
we human race are just that violent, so riots happen. we're just that petty. ---
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Myfanwy Heimdal
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.08.09 22:05:00 -
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Edited by: Myfanwy Heimdal on 09/08/2011 22:05:54
Originally by: Tai Meijer
Get a clue will you? Police have already said that the bullet came from one of their guns. Now go take your head for a dump.
Fact is, after stockwell, no one is going to trust the filth any more, and rightly so. Let's hope they get the hiding they deserve. "UPDATE 22.30 HRS
IÆm starting to become very concerned that we may have been æStockwelledÆ by the original statement by the IPCC who said they believed that police may have been fired upon first.
It wouldnÆt take this long to disclose that an empty case belonging to the non-police handgun was found thus proving a shot was fired at police.
MET ACPO will already know what happened." From gadget, oh dear...
There's a few questions which this raises. First of all, who shot the copper, the SO19 officer? And, furthermore, did Duggan actually have a gun on him in the car?
I had to laugh this morning when I heard Terasa May on the television say that the police in this country police "by consent" of the local people. Clearly then, she doesn't remember the Miners' Strike at the back end of the seventies.
I was planning on becoming a copper until I saw what was happening in the colliery towns up the road from me. Oddly enough I don't trust them much now.
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Jag Hiroshii
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.08.09 22:15:00 -
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Originally by: Myfanwy Heimdal Edited by: Myfanwy Heimdal on 09/08/2011 22:05:54
Originally by: Tai Meijer
Get a clue will you? Police have already said that the bullet came from one of their guns. Now go take your head for a dump.
Fact is, after stockwell, no one is going to trust the filth any more, and rightly so. Let's hope they get the hiding they deserve. "UPDATE 22.30 HRS
IÆm starting to become very concerned that we may have been æStockwelledÆ by the original statement by the IPCC who said they believed that police may have been fired upon first.
It wouldnÆt take this long to disclose that an empty case belonging to the non-police handgun was found thus proving a shot was fired at police.
MET ACPO will already know what happened." From gadget, oh dear...
There's a few questions which this raises. First of all, who shot the copper, the SO19 officer? And, furthermore, did Duggan actually have a gun on him in the car?
I had to laugh this morning when I heard Terasa May on the television say that the police in this country police "by consent" of the local people. Clearly then, she doesn't remember the Miners' Strike at the back end of the seventies.
I was planning on becoming a copper until I saw what was happening in the colliery towns up the road from me. Oddly enough I don't trust them much now.
Oh right. Policing hasn't changed in the last 25 years then?
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Myfanwy Heimdal
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.08.09 22:18:00 -
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Still an instrument of the Home Office. And still too many people fitted up, guv.
You're right; we haven't really moved on from the days of the Miners' Strike. Though, to be fair the coppers then didn't shoot Brazilian electricians nor assault by-passing news vendors for the fun of it.
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Bart Starr
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@Selinate You realize the people volunteer to patrol the Mexican borders these days, right? If your homes and businesses were being torched by looters, I guarantee there would be people in places like Fairbanks or Wasilla would be setting up impromptu checkpoints out on the street. Sandbags are cheap, you know.
Since you choose to make this personal, I'll admit straight up that I'd never want to be in a riot. And in all seriousness, nobody wants to be put into a position like that. After all, I choose not to live in a city, precisely because of the scum that reside in ghettos. Been there done that. (Cleveland, 1995. The rampant crime I witnessed there in one year is one of the reasons I am a hard advocate of concealed carry and paid for a lifetime membership in the NRA.)
That said, when not working on federal installations, I carry concealed. And if someone is stupid enough to attempt to break into my RV while I or my GF are sleeping, I can confidently say it will be the last mistake they ever make.
Last, its pretty clear to me that Obama's rhetoric is designed to encourage riots like the ones we are watching in London. Those rioters are not attacking the government. They are attacking small business owners. Every speech he makes references 'corporate jet owners' and 'millionaires' and 'billionaires', and encouraging anger towards them for supposedly 'not paying their fair share'. Obama's endless drumbeat of rhetoric is the kind that leads straight to class warfare and violence. He needs to be replaced in 2012 - if not sooner.
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Iggy Stooge
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2011.08.09 22:35:00 -
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Originally by: Myfanwy Heimdal Edited by: Myfanwy Heimdal on 09/08/2011 22:05:54
Originally by: Tai Meijer
Get a clue will you? Police have already said that the bullet came from one of their guns. Now go take your head for a dump.
Fact is, after stockwell, no one is going to trust the filth any more, and rightly so. Let's hope they get the hiding they deserve. "UPDATE 22.30 HRS
IÆm starting to become very concerned that we may have been æStockwelledÆ by the original statement by the IPCC who said they believed that police may have been fired upon first.
It wouldnÆt take this long to disclose that an empty case belonging to the non-police handgun was found thus proving a shot was fired at police.
MET ACPO will already know what happened." From gadget, oh dear...
There's a few questions which this raises. First of all, who shot the copper, the SO19 officer? And, furthermore, did Duggan actually have a gun on him in the car?
Duggan was shot twice, once fatally in the chest, and a wound in the arm. The bullet that struck the policeman was one of the two bullets fired at Duggan, and it lodged in the policemans radio. Contrary to first statements released by the police, Duggan did not fire any shots, and was not shot inresponse to any shots fired by him or anyone else. A gun was recovered from the scene, which was a replica gun modified to fire live rounds. As yet unconfirmed, (but all the above details were of course known but unconfirmed until today), is that the gun was found wrapped in a sock.
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Selinate
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.08.09 22:45:00 -
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Edited by: Selinate on 09/08/2011 22:45:08
Originally by: Bart Starr @Selinate You realize the people volunteer to patrol the Mexican borders these days, right? If your homes and businesses were being torched by looters, I guarantee there would be people in places like Fairbanks or Wasilla would be setting up impromptu checkpoints out on the street. Sandbags are cheap, you know.
Since you choose to make this personal, I'll admit straight up that I'd never want to be in a riot. And in all seriousness, nobody wants to be put into a position like that. After all, I choose not to live in a city, precisely because of the scum that reside in ghettos. Been there done that. (Cleveland, 1995. The rampant crime I witnessed there in one year is one of the reasons I am a hard advocate of concealed carry and paid for a lifetime membership in the NRA.)
That said, when not working on federal installations, I carry concealed. And if someone is stupid enough to attempt to break into my RV while I or my GF are sleeping, I can confidently say it will be the last mistake they ever make.
Last, its pretty clear to me that Obama's rhetoric is designed to encourage riots like the ones we are watching in London. Those rioters are not attacking the government. They are attacking small business owners. Every speech he makes references 'corporate jet owners' and 'millionaires' and 'billionaires', and encouraging anger towards them for supposedly 'not paying their fair share'. Obama's endless drumbeat of rhetoric is the kind that leads straight to class warfare and violence. He needs to be replaced in 2012 - if not sooner.
Keep going. It only makes you look more and more like an ignorant idiot.
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Bart Starr
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Posted - 2011.08.09 22:54:00 -
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Originally by: Selinate
Keep going. It only makes you look more and more like an ignorant idiot.
Whatever, homo. If all you can do is hurl insults, GTFO.
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Originally by: Iggy Stooge
Duggan was shot twice, once fatally in the chest, and a wound in the arm. The bullet that struck the policeman was one of the two bullets fired at Duggan, and it lodged in the policemans radio. Contrary to first statements released by the police, Duggan did not fire any shots, and was not shot inresponse to any shots fired by him or anyone else. A gun was recovered from the scene, which was a replica gun modified to fire live rounds. As yet unconfirmed, (but all the above details were of course known but unconfirmed until today), is that the gun was found wrapped in a sock.
It wasn't a replica gun, seems to have been a bbm browning self loading pistol. No mention of a sock so far. Turns out they guy was an open gang memebr and was belived to have been getting ready to take someone out for the murder of a cousin killed in some sort of gang killing.
So much for the good family man
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Bart Starr
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Posted - 2011.08.09 23:10:00 -
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On a side note, according to Amazon's sales figures there is sudden surge of interest in American Baseball in the UK.
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jason hill
Caldari Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.08.09 23:11:00 -
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this is for iggy ... when someone is arrested for a perticular offence within the uk there is a "mark" written against thier name . eg ... habitual drink driver .... wife beater thats prone to use bottles against his spouse .known drug dealer known to carry a weapon . in the case of duggan he was known to carry a firearm . now this is irrespective of weather it was a replica firearm or not in the uk its a minimum 5yr sentence for carrying a replica ...more so if its real .. duggan was assumed to be selling drugs and carrying a firearm when the cops pulled his taxi over .
estabelished fact as it stands atm he was carrying a firearm not established fact atm is weather it was real or not . this as it currently stands in uk law is ...he`s known to be carrying ... therefore lets not take any chances if you were in the polices position i would like to know what you would do ....cos i damn shure know what i would do ....
it the old american adage ..... you dont bring a knife to a gun fight ... anyways fuk him ...he was a drug dealing gangsta no real loss to society
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Bane Necran
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.08.09 23:26:00 -
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Yeah, i'm sure we can trust the police themselves to give a fair analysis of everything. I'm certain they'd be quite anxious to incriminate themselves and make things worse if they were at fault.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.08.09 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: Selinate
Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: Selinate
Hmmm? If I remember correctly, there has been more than one riot in L.A...
One I think: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_riots#1990s_-_2000
So far, the UK is up on the US in number of riots, especially recently.
Well, there was one for Rodney King in the 90's...
Yeah, I was thinking about one much further back in the 60's... nvm.
Yeah I was counting after that one b/c someone mentioned that one earlier and I was responding to that particular comment.
Most of the rioting in England proper and the US is over sports though, go figure ...Ireland on the other hand, well it's Ireland and they have a whole mess of issues going back 800 years or so. - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring |
baltec1
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Posted - 2011.08.09 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: Bane Necran Yeah, i'm sure we can trust the police themselves to give a fair analysis of everything. I'm certain they'd be quite anxious to incriminate themselves and make things worse if they were at fault.
IPCC is not part of the police.
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Alu Utukku
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Posted - 2011.08.09 23:31:00 -
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the cause no longer matters beyond the match to a large pile of kindling. it takes sometime to dry out this much kindling...
favorite quote :
But as one man told NBC News about an economic protest two months ago, "There was not a word in the press about our protests. Last night (Saturday) a bit of rioting and looting and now look around you."
http://www.cnbc.com/id/44073673
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2011.08.09 23:33:00 -
[136]
Originally by: Selinate
Originally by: Bart Starr
Sounds like some people are sad that people in the US aren't rioting as well.
Don't think it would go well in the parts of the US I am familiar with (Alaska and South Carolina). Very high rates of private gun ownership + plenty rednecks who would only be too happy to 'volunteer' = a lot of dead rioters. On CNN they'd cry, and dial up the NAACP, the New York Times would demand gun control. The rest of us would laugh, change the channel and watch the action on Fox News.
Here it comes. The idiotic right wing nut who thinks "IF THIS DURN STUFFN'Z HAPPENINS IN MY STATES, WE'D KILL 'EM GOOD".
Go sit in a corner like you normally would when someone threatens you, stupid bumpkin. Go slap your wife and kid around some more.
The truth: You'd just weep and cry like a baby if the area you live had ongoing riots. You'd probably get yourself killed because, like most stupid rednecks of your kind, your bark is much MUCH worse than your bite (primarily for how stupid and grating to the ears it is).
You either be trollin' or some latte-slurping urbanite who already cries in the corner when someone not wearing pastels and looking feminine walks past your apartment.
FYI: those of us in the country are not prepared to protect and/or feed you if the economic conditions prove a dire future. Be advised that I know liberals and old hippies who are more armed than I am and live further away from the cities than I would ever want to be. Even some of them call for armed revolt though I have to remind them that in a democracy, there's no point in spilling blood when the same morons (probably people like you) will vote in a new government that is much like the old one.
Now as for the "stupid red necks" - I have met numerous hillbillies on my travels and in the "world of guns" training over 1000 people in the use of small arms and I have to say that all of them are not at all interested in anything that goes on in any cities. So when you are being bent over your Ikea furniture or your Prius by some 300 lb buck sans loob and the cops are too busy doing their own looting (like in New Orleans), nobody's coming around the corner with a stoner or a remmy to save your sorry ass. When your boyfriend is hauling his stained shorts out to the sticks for some more action, he's going to get it: lever action, pump action, automatic, or maybe some full auto too.
But tt won't be anything like the only kind of action you are capable of giving him.
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Stitcher
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.08.09 23:42:00 -
[137]
Originally by: Bane Necran Yeah, i'm sure we can trust the police themselves to give a fair analysis of everything. I'm certain they'd be quite anxious to incriminate themselves and make things worse if they were at fault.
it's called the Independent Police Complaints Comission for a reason. They aren't police themselves, they're the people who police the police.
Qui custodiet ipso custodes? In this country, it's the IPCC. -
- Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain.
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Tai Meijer
Caldari Malkutha
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Posted - 2011.08.10 00:17:00 -
[138]
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Originally by: Wendat Huron
Credit to the police for not opening up on the rioters already in unilateral moves but abiding by policy and awaiting instructions, there's that discipline that made the world England. That said I do believe rubber bullets should be deployed, if they haven't already.
I cannot figure out how in a country where the police can knock heads and even kill protestors during a G summit, where there are cameras everywhere, are now all of a sudden showing restraint.
Exactly, Give this man a banana! The guy initially shot, did NOT shoot back, Evidence So all the right wingers supporting the filth for 'defending' themselves are wrong, but the damage has already been done, and as you said, i expect the UK public to want more 'security' for themselves.
I'll tell you what the riots are really about, it's extortion pure and simple. New labour hired a ton of 'chief' officers who were politically in the labour camp. The tories got into power and saw that this was beyond a joke, it was costing waaaaay too much, (filth get to retire at 50 on full pension, rest of the uk works to 65) so the tories went about cutting it and giving power back to the people, this is why the police are told to 'hold the line' or pull back when the rioters get lairy. "Oh what a shame" they say "If only we had more funding and our morale wasn't so bad because of the pension thing" "If only we had more power" etc etc..
Theresa may (torie) refuses to deploy the water cannon, because shes not going to give them what they want, shes trying to get the filth to do their job, instead of extorting the public.
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Tai Meijer
Caldari Malkutha
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Posted - 2011.08.10 00:23:00 -
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Originally by: Myfanwy Heimdal Edited by: Myfanwy Heimdal on 09/08/2011 22:05:54
Originally by: Tai Meijer
Get a clue will you? Police have already said that the bullet came from one of their guns. Now go take your head for a dump.
Fact is, after stockwell, no one is going to trust the filth any more, and rightly so. Let's hope they get the hiding they deserve. "UPDATE 22.30 HRS
IÆm starting to become very concerned that we may have been æStockwelledÆ by the original statement by the IPCC who said they believed that police may have been fired upon first.
It wouldnÆt take this long to disclose that an empty case belonging to the non-police handgun was found thus proving a shot was fired at police.
MET ACPO will already know what happened." From gadget, oh dear...
There's a few questions which this raises. First of all, who shot the copper, the SO19 officer? And, furthermore, did Duggan actually have a gun on him in the car?
I had to laugh this morning when I heard Terasa May on the television say that the police in this country police "by consent" of the local people. Clearly then, she doesn't remember the Miners' Strike at the back end of the seventies.
I was planning on becoming a copper until I saw what was happening in the colliery towns up the road from me. Oddly enough I don't trust them much now.
Who knows who 'shot back' at duggan, it could be a training thing and they 'found' a bullet that got stuck their in practise, by the time the truth came out, the public who already frothing at the mouth supporting the filth. As for the policing by consent, i kinda agree with that, i think the gist is she is trying to hold back the powers of the filth because she doesn't want this to become a police state. The miners strike however, i think was bigger then just a left v right thing, maggie used the filth to crush the unions because many of the unions were USSR sponsored.
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Bart Starr
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Posted - 2011.08.10 00:27:00 -
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Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
You either be trollin' or some latte-slurping urbanite who already cries in the corner when someone not wearing pastels and looking feminine walks past your apartment.
FYI: those of us in the country are not prepared to protect and/or feed you if the economic conditions prove a dire future. Be advised that I know liberals and old hippies who are more armed than I am and live further away from the cities than I would ever want to be. Even some of them call for armed revolt though I have to remind them that in a democracy, there's no point in spilling blood when the same morons (probably people like you) will vote in a new government that is much like the old one.
Now as for the "stupid red necks" - I have met numerous hillbillies on my travels and in the "world of guns" training over 1000 people in the use of small arms and I have to say that all of them are not at all interested in anything that goes on in any cities. So when you are being bent over your Ikea furniture or your Prius by some 300 lb buck sans loob and the cops are too busy doing their own looting (like in New Orleans), nobody's coming around the corner with a stoner or a remmy to save your sorry ass. When your boyfriend is hauling his stained shorts out to the sticks for some more action, he's going to get it: lever action, pump action, automatic, or maybe some full auto too.
But tt won't be anything like the only kind of action you are capable of giving him.
Hahaha! This made my day. Makes this long-ass paving shift go just a bit quicker. Kudos.
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Cpt Placeholder
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Posted - 2011.08.10 00:33:00 -
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Originally by: Stitcher Qui custodiet ipso custodes? In this country, it's the IPCC.
Since you did such a good job answering the question, ask it again.
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jason hill
Caldari Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.08.10 00:54:00 -
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the kids rioting in the streets have got nothing to do with the rodney king incident .in the uk the police mostly police with consent please do not compare london with LA
the kids for some reason seem to think that they are disenfranchiced (spelling its late) with the rest of society which is simply not true .for christ sakes i personally know plumbers roofers and chippies crying out for young kids so that they can train then up ...but the current mentality of the kids today leaves them ..bemused
and we wonder here in the uk why we are falling behind ? i wonder ..is it the benefits system and the total lack of a stable familiy ?
enquiring mind would like to ask
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Marwood Ford
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Posted - 2011.08.10 01:01:00 -
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Originally by: Bart Starr [Clarification of US law removed for space]
Personally, I think Britain needs to relax idiotic restrictions on LEGAL firearm ownership, and this is a prime example of WHY. Hell, plenty of Brit criminals already have them. Law abiding citizens should be allowed to defend their persons and livelihoods from human scum that just want to loot and destroy.
I am not intimately familiar with UK Law, but I have a feeling if some poor corner-grocery clerk shot an intruding thug, he'd be in more trouble than ANY of the members of the mob. That needs to change pronto, because the police clearly are not willing or able to protect the public. Armed shopkeepers and a few dead looters would go along way to discourage further riots.
Self-defense is a right, not a privilege.
Bart, your argument appears to be that liberalised gun laws would improve the situation in London, but your basis for this is a fictional, idealised situation that you've made up. You bizarrely cite the LA Riots as an example of why firearms shouldn't be controlled, completely ignoring the body count of that tragedy. I'd be fine with armed shopkeepers and a few dead looters, but you don't seem to be able to consider the possibility of armed looters and a few dead shopkeepers. The good guys don't always win, and your black and white viewpoint simply polarises opinion. Having heard your side of the debate, I'm more inclined to support gun control than I was previously.
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Tai Meijer
Caldari Malkutha
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Posted - 2011.08.10 01:03:00 -
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Edited by: Tai Meijer on 10/08/2011 01:02:55
Originally by: Marwood Ford
Originally by: Bart Starr [Clarification of US law removed for space]
Personally, I think Britain needs to relax idiotic restrictions on LEGAL firearm ownership, and this is a prime example of WHY. Hell, plenty of Brit criminals already have them. Law abiding citizens should be allowed to defend their persons and livelihoods from human scum that just want to loot and destroy.
I am not intimately familiar with UK Law, but I have a feeling if some poor corner-grocery clerk shot an intruding thug, he'd be in more trouble than ANY of the members of the mob. That needs to change pronto, because the police clearly are not willing or able to protect the public. Armed shopkeepers and a few dead looters would go along way to discourage further riots.
Self-defense is a right, not a privilege.
Bart, your argument appears to be that liberalised gun laws would improve the situation in London, but your basis for this is a fictional, idealised situation that you've made up. You bizarrely cite the LA Riots as an example of why firearms shouldn't be controlled, completely ignoring the body count of that tragedy. I'd be fine with armed shopkeepers and a few dead looters, but you don't seem to be able to consider the possibility of armed looters and a few dead shopkeepers. The good guys don't always win, and your black and white viewpoint simply polarises opinion. Having heard your side of the debate, I'm more inclined to support gun control than I was previously.
The bad guys already have guns.
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Popa Cyno
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Posted - 2011.08.10 01:13:00 -
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And that about wraps it up for western civilization. It won't be missed.
Up next, no rioting in East, South-East and South Asia today, might change tomorrow.
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Marwood Ford
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Posted - 2011.08.10 01:22:00 -
[146]
Originally by: Tai Meijer The bad guys already have guns.
Brilliant rejoinder, Tai. Thanks for your input.
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Bart Starr
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Posted - 2011.08.10 01:24:00 -
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Its really pretty simple.
Most of these looter scumbags aren't really interested in confrontation. They want to destroy thing and terrorize people that aren't going to fight back. Scuffling with the police doesn't even really count because they know that London riot police are prohibited from using deadly force except in extreme circumstances.
They want to smash into shops, steal alcohol and cigarettes, beat, injure and humiliate the defenseless, and set fires (which have a very real possibility of killing people, and endangers firefighters.)
They KNOW the chance of something bad happening to them is almost nil.
Now, add firearms to the mix - now the thugs face a very real chance of getting their lungs blown out of their back by a short range shotgun blast.....
Well, stupid as they are, its not likely there would be very many UK looters willing to risk a bloody death, just for some free booze.
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Tai Meijer
Caldari Malkutha
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Posted - 2011.08.10 01:27:00 -
[148]
Originally by: Marwood Ford
Originally by: Tai Meijer The bad guys already have guns.
Brilliant rejoinder, Tai. Thanks for your input.
Anytime
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Kijo Rikki
Caldari Point of No Return Waterboard
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Posted - 2011.08.10 01:54:00 -
[149]
Quote:
The bad guys already have guns.
Quote:
Guns stolen from homes: Almost 600,000 guns are stolen each year from private homes, according to poll data on gun-owning households.
http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/html/local/lost-stolen.shtml lol
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Tai Meijer
Caldari Malkutha
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Posted - 2011.08.10 02:04:00 -
[150]
Edited by: Tai Meijer on 10/08/2011 02:03:47
Originally by: Kijo Rikki
Quote:
The bad guys already have guns.
Quote:
Guns stolen from homes: Almost 600,000 guns are stolen each year from private homes, according to poll data on gun-owning households.
http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/html/local/lost-stolen.shtml lol
lol, And? in the UK we still have criminals with guns, maybe they got them from private...oh wait...
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Kijo Rikki
Caldari Point of No Return Waterboard
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Posted - 2011.08.10 02:11:00 -
[151]
Edited by: Kijo Rikki on 10/08/2011 02:11:38
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lol, And?
Just pointing out that gun ownership makes it easier for the bad guys to get guns and simultaneously points out a fallacy that guns somehow prevent crime...nothing like having your own gun stolen from you to point that out.
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Blacksquirrel
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Posted - 2011.08.10 02:13:00 -
[152]
So a handful of people with nothing better to do in England besides destroy other peoples **** == the Apocalypse of western civilization? If a riot is the end of the world we've had that happen a few hundred thousand times in human history. I'm sure once all the Play station 3's are looted things will settle down again.
It's a riot people not a revolt or even a revolution. No one cried Armageddon when the entire middle east was up in arms/ (part of it still is) starting last January.
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Tai Meijer
Caldari Malkutha
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Posted - 2011.08.10 02:18:00 -
[153]
Originally by: Kijo Rikki Edited by: Kijo Rikki on 10/08/2011 02:11:38
Quote:
lol, And?
Just pointing out that gun ownership makes it easier for the bad guys to get guns and simultaneously points out a fallacy that guns somehow prevent crime...nothing like having your own gun stolen from you to point that out.
They prevent repeat offenders, that's a fact btw. In any case our murder rate is not so high because of the skill of our surgeons, Gun ownership also makes it easier to defend your home, see the case of tony martin. So, i'll ask you again, how do you explain the UK criminals having guns, if they can't steal from private homes to get them?
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Kijo Rikki
Caldari Point of No Return Waterboard
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Posted - 2011.08.10 02:20:00 -
[154]
Originally by: Tai Meijer
Originally by: Kijo Rikki Edited by: Kijo Rikki on 10/08/2011 02:11:38
Quote:
lol, And?
Just pointing out that gun ownership makes it easier for the bad guys to get guns and simultaneously points out a fallacy that guns somehow prevent crime...nothing like having your own gun stolen from you to point that out.
They prevent repeat offenders, that's a fact btw. In any case our murder rate is not so high because of the skill of our surgeons, Gun ownership also makes it easier to defend your home, see the case of tony martin. So, i'll ask you again, how do you explain the UK criminals having guns, if they can't steal from private homes to get them?
A. Not if you miss.
B. I suppose I'll answer your question with two questions: How many UK criminals do you suppose have guns, and how many do you think American criminals have? I'm willing to bet we have you beat.
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Tai Meijer
Caldari Malkutha
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Posted - 2011.08.10 02:24:00 -
[155]
Originally by: Kijo Rikki
Originally by: Tai Meijer
Originally by: Kijo Rikki Edited by: Kijo Rikki on 10/08/2011 02:11:38
Quote:
lol, And?
Just pointing out that gun ownership makes it easier for the bad guys to get guns and simultaneously points out a fallacy that guns somehow prevent crime...nothing like having your own gun stolen from you to point that out.
They prevent repeat offenders, that's a fact btw. In any case our murder rate is not so high because of the skill of our surgeons, Gun ownership also makes it easier to defend your home, see the case of tony martin. So, i'll ask you again, how do you explain the UK criminals having guns, if they can't steal from private homes to get them?
A. Not if you miss.
B. I suppose I'll answer your question with two questions: How many UK criminals do you suppose have guns, and how many do you think American criminals have? I'm willing to bet we have you beat.
A. Now you are trying to muddy the water, don't try to pull a fox news on me, dead criminal will never offend again. Fact.
B. Population of the UK = roughly 65mil. Population of the states = 300mil. whoda thunk it.
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Popa Cyno
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Posted - 2011.08.10 02:26:00 -
[156]
Originally by: Blacksquirrel
It's a riot people not a revolt or even a revolution. No one cried Armageddon when the entire middle east was up in arms/ (part of it still is) starting last January.
Former-President Mubarak would beg to differ. Gaddafi might still be in denial, a very heavily armed denial.
Really, if taken in a vacuum, this is not much more worse than the LA riots of the 1990's
But recall that Europe is failing under debt, ditto with the US. 3 nations in the middle east have already gone into open revolt under similar circumstances. China and India have been growing steadily and don't show any signs of stopping because of this nonsense.
So yeah, brush up on your Mandarin and Hindi, though English will probably work for the next few decades. Cause western civilization is going down the crapper, and you know what, I'm fine with that. The new civilizations already took quite alot from western culture, the transition won't be that jarring.
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Kijo Rikki
Caldari Point of No Return Waterboard
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Posted - 2011.08.10 02:29:00 -
[157]
Edited by: Kijo Rikki on 10/08/2011 02:29:16
Quote:
Tai Meijer
He aint dead if you miss. Fact. PS, willing to bet your average frightened homeonwer in the middle of an invasion at night will do just that.
Also, go ahead and use percentages of the population, then. We will still smoke you, guns are just too easy to acquire here. You have to smuggle yours into the country, so...I'll go do the research, but I already know the answer.
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Tai Meijer
Caldari Malkutha
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Posted - 2011.08.10 02:34:00 -
[158]
Edited by: Tai Meijer on 10/08/2011 02:39:59
Originally by: Kijo Rikki
He aint dead if you miss. Fact. PS, willing to bet your average frightened homeonwer in the middle of an invasion at night will do just that.
Tony martin didn't miss. Fact.
Originally by: Kijo Rikki Also, go ahead and use percentages of the population, then. We will still smoke you, guns are just too easy to acquire here. You have to smuggle yours into the country, so...I'll go do the research, but I already know the answer.
So what if guns are easy to obtain? They will be even easier for the criminals because they don't have to jump through hoops like we in the UK have to.
The fact is you can't come up with a defence, a police force is largely redundant in the UK, and the US even, because the areas are so vast that you have to police, they can't be expected to be everywhere at the same time, all the time, having gun ownership and the license to defend your property evens the odds a little until they get there. The criminals will already have weapons, and what you propose is more state control, search for weapons etc, search the criminals by all means, they will still get them. Dead criminals commit no crimes, it used to be that an englishmans home is his castle, not so any more, mainly because the filth, and the crims, HATE anyone else having guns.
and so what if guns are easy to obtain? They will be even easier for the criminals because they don't have to jump through hoops like we in the UK have to.
Also, explain switzerland who let their citizens have guns.
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Kijo Rikki
Caldari Point of No Return Waterboard
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Posted - 2011.08.10 02:44:00 -
[159]
Originally by: Tai Meijer Edited by: Tai Meijer on 10/08/2011 02:39:59
Originally by: Kijo Rikki
He aint dead if you miss. Fact. PS, willing to bet your average frightened homeonwer in the middle of an invasion at night will do just that.
Tony martin didn't miss. Fact.
Originally by: Kijo Rikki Also, go ahead and use percentages of the population, then. We will still smoke you, guns are just too easy to acquire here. You have to smuggle yours into the country, so...I'll go do the research, but I already know the answer.
So what if guns are easy to obtain? They will be even easier for the criminals because they don't have to jump through hoops like we in the UK have to.
The fact is you can't come up with a defence, a police force is largely redundant in the UK, and the US even, because the areas are so vast that you have to police, they can't be expected to be everywhere at the same time, all the time, having gun ownership and the license to defend your property evens the odds a little until they get there. The criminals will already have weapons, and what you propose is more state control, search for weapons etc, search the criminals by all means, they will still get them. Dead criminals commit no crimes, it used to be that an englishmans home is his castle, not so any more, mainly because the filth, and the crims, HATE anyone else having guns.
and so what if guns are easy to obtain? They will be even easier for the criminals because they don't have to jump through hoops like we in the UK have to.
Also, explain switzerland who let their citizens have guns.
Yes, having to have them smuggled into the country is a bigger hoop than smashing your window and taking it from your house. Doesn't Switzerland represent the epitome of neutrality?
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Tai Meijer
Caldari Malkutha
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Posted - 2011.08.10 02:49:00 -
[160]
Originally by: Kijo Rikki
Yes, having to have them smuggled into the country is a bigger hoop than smashing your window and taking it from your house.
You are missing the point. Criminals will get guns no matter what. The law only effects the law abiding. What you propose is more state control, more state control that will hinder the law abiding, and help the criminals defeat the law abiding.
Originally by: Kijo Rikki Doesn't Switzerland represent the epitome of neutrality?
They have lower gun crime then the states, per 100,000 according to your wiki leak, therefore the problem isn't the guns is it?
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Kijo Rikki
Caldari Point of No Return Waterboard
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Posted - 2011.08.10 02:55:00 -
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They have lower crime, period. If you note the column just to the left, which is % of homicides with firearms, you'll notice they are at 37% compared to the states 46%.
BTW I'm not proposing anything, just pointing out the UK as it currently stands is in much better shape than the States. I'm sure guns don't kill people, its the people. But you just might have to sit down and consider the fact that a gun is a powerful tool that makes carrying out a murder extremely easy and can in fact, encourage many people to do something they would otherwise not consider.
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Tai Meijer
Caldari Malkutha
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Posted - 2011.08.10 03:01:00 -
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Originally by: Kijo Rikki They have lower crime, period. If you note the column just to the left, which is % of homicides with firearms, you'll notice they are at 37% compared to the states 46%.
BTW I'm not proposing anything, just pointing out the UK as it currently stands is in much better shape than the States. I'm sure guns don't kill people, its the people. But you just might have to sit down and consider the fact that a gun is a powerful tool that makes carrying out a murder extremely easy and can in fact, encourage many people to do something they would otherwise not consider.
Of course they have lower crime, the problem is not the weapons but the people. Gun makes it easier to kill, but it also makes it alot easier to defend. If the problem is with the people, why try to ban the weapon? Country that want the citizens disarmed are ripe for total control.
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Lithalnas
Amarr Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2011.08.10 03:02:00 -
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So how is London this morning? How much of the city is affected by this silliness?
This thread going in the direction of gun control is really depressing because the antigun people will never have their mind changed, and as for the pro gun people, imagine someone is telling you that you cannot have in possession something you already own and you feel that the object is what empowers you to have your human rights, that is how they feel. -------------
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Kijo Rikki
Caldari Point of No Return Waterboard
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Edited by: Kijo Rikki on 10/08/2011 03:07:20
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Of course they have lower crime, the problem is not the weapons but the people. Gun makes it easier to kill, but it also makes it alot easier to defend. If the problem is with the people, why try to ban the weapon? Country that want the citizens disarmed are ripe for total control.
I generally would agree with that sentiment, but I've had two thoughts in my head about that.
A) The U.S. is probably due for a revolution of some form, but the very thought of its citizens rising up and forming militia's to combat today's government/military is laughable in my mind. 1984 has literally happened already, and most people don't even know it (I wonder how many people even know what I'm talking about?) The amount of surveillance, intelligence/counterintelligence and the power of our military and the weapons availavle to it makes an outright revolt impossible, in my opinion.
B) Witnessing the protests in the middle east, most countries that conjure up images of oppressive regimes in my mind, are falling like dominoes to massive protests without its citizens using weapons.
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Tai Meijer
Caldari Malkutha
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Posted - 2011.08.10 03:09:00 -
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Originally by: Lithalnas So how is London this morning? How much of the city is affected by this silliness?
Alot, from reading police blogs the higher ups are 'holding back' giving orders to stand by, this is pure blackmail and an attempt to extort the goverment. The police higher ups are annoyed that they will be getting sacked because they are not needed (and should never have been needed) ACPO is too political, and needed to be culled, so this is them 'fighting back'. Giveing the mob the ability to run rampant. they could squash this is seconds if they wanted too. It's blackmail, and many of the public are buying it, and that's a shame.
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Nimrod Nemesis
Amarr Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2011.08.10 03:12:00 -
[166]
I have to fly into Gatwick next week.
heh
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Kraven Stark
Caldari Atavism Industries
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Posted - 2011.08.10 03:20:00 -
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Originally by: Bart Starr Last, its pretty clear to me that Obama's rhetoric is designed to encourage riots like the ones we are watching in London. Those rioters are not attacking the government. They are attacking small business owners. Every speech he makes references 'corporate jet owners' and 'millionaires' and 'billionaires', and encouraging anger towards them for supposedly 'not paying their fair share'. Obama's endless drumbeat of rhetoric is the kind that leads straight to class warfare and violence. He needs to be replaced in 2012 - if not sooner.
Wow, still hanging on to this eh? The way you are summarizing Obama's words, it is painfully obvious that you have not actually listened to what he has said and are instead listening to 3rd party sources that are little more that BS spigots.
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Bart Starr
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Posted - 2011.08.10 03:22:00 -
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Edited by: Bart Starr on 10/08/2011 03:27:30
Originally by: Kijo Rikki
B) Witnessing the protests in the middle east, most countries that conjure up images of oppressive regimes in my mind, are falling like dominoes to massive protests without its citizens using weapons.
Hmmm... Nope, no weapons here.
None here either.
Countries where the population is disarmed are far easier for tyrannical governments to slaughter.
Not sure if these count as weapons. Inventive though.
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Kijo Rikki
Caldari Point of No Return Waterboard
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Posted - 2011.08.10 03:27:00 -
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Way to ignore Egypt and Tunisia
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Bart Starr
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Posted - 2011.08.10 03:36:00 -
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Originally by: Kijo Rikki Way to ignore Egypt and Tunisia
Unimportant. Your statement was clearly false. Sorry.
It WILL be interesting to see what ends up happening in Syria.
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Blacksquirrel
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Posted - 2011.08.10 03:38:00 -
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Originally by: Kijo Rikki Way to ignore Egypt and Tunisia
Popular uprisings had the military backing them, and the populations of both are well educated. In part due to mandatory draft (In Egypt) Their officers were also quite liberal, and well educated.
However im rather sure the Syrians were wishing they had more access to firearms.
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Kijo Rikki
Caldari Point of No Return Waterboard
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Posted - 2011.08.10 03:41:00 -
[172]
Edited by: Kijo Rikki on 10/08/2011 03:49:38 Edited by: Kijo Rikki on 10/08/2011 03:43:20
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Witnessing the protests in the middle east, most countries that conjure up images of oppressive regimes in my mind, are falling like dominoes to massive protests without its citizens using weapons.
My exact words. Read them carefully.
Just FYI, Libya is a civil war, not a protest.
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It WILL be interesting to see what ends up happening in Syria.
That will be the true test, as its a relatively peaceful protest versus a defiant and oppressive government. I am interested to see if the people's will stays intact long enough for the government to crack.
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However im rather sure the Syrians were wishing they had more access to firearms.
I'm sure they might but I'm not so sure that would work in their favor. Having armed civilians would work in the governments defense of moving down entire crowds, in my opinion.
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Lithalnas
Amarr Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2011.08.10 03:46:00 -
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Originally by: Bart Starr Not sure if these count as weapons. Inventive though.
Kind of looks like borderlands, million bazillian guns! -------------
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Vogue
Short Bus Pole Dancers
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Posted - 2011.08.10 03:51:00 -
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Edited by: Vogue on 10/08/2011 03:53:19 British people can be very resilient. And to many outsiders it can be so much so that we appear as arrogant. We muddle through a lot of stuff and endure with a sometimes masochistic melancholy and an irreverent wit. The riots are bad but I think they will pass and life will go on with the flaws the country has. But though there are social ills in Britain like any other country we do have a sense of moderation that keeps us plodding on. And also a sense of moderation that is outraged by abuse of power. So while we have a clunky approach to things we can be starkly honest about some other things. And maybe from this is the reason the police are not coming down on the rioters with hammers and tongs is that we share a degree of failure about the situation.
The yanks are best at success. And us British are best at muddling through the murky middle.
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Jones Bones
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2011.08.10 03:51:00 -
[175]
Just so you Euros know...not every American is as ignorant and violent as Bart Starr.
UK has lower crime rates. UK has lower incarceration rates. UK has lower rate of gun ownership.
But go ahead and tell a group of people living across an ocean how they should live their lives. You are an ignorant, untraveled, uneducated individual. May the gods have mercy on your soul.
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Jones Bones
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2011.08.10 03:54:00 -
[176]
Originally by: Bart Starr Edited by: Bart Starr on 10/08/2011 03:27:30
Originally by: Kijo Rikki
B) Witnessing the protests in the middle east, most countries that conjure up images of oppressive regimes in my mind, are falling like dominoes to massive protests without its citizens using weapons.
Hmmm... Nope, no weapons here.
None here either.
Countries where the population is disarmed are far easier for tyrannical governments to slaughter.
Not sure if these count as weapons. Inventive though.
Oh look guys, another dumbass set of statements by Bart.
Yo dumbass, that is military hardware. Guess what? Even your white trash self does not have access to that level of weaponry. The Libyan uprising started with bodies meeting the bullets of the regime. It wasn't until their human wave attacks liberated GOVERNMENT armories that they were able to arm themselves. The vast majority of their arms come from GOVERNMENT troops that defected or were liberated from GOVERNMENT armories.
The stupid, it burns.
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Lithalnas
Amarr Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2011.08.10 04:09:00 -
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Jones Bones, no need to get that hostile, its opinions on an internet forum, you do not need to insult your fellow pod pilot like that. -------------
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Bart Starr
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Posted - 2011.08.10 04:28:00 -
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Originally by: Jones Bones Just so you Euros know...not every American is as ignorant and violent as Bart Starr.
UK has lower crime rates. UK has lower incarceration rates. UK has lower rate of gun ownership.
But go ahead and tell a group of people living across an ocean how they should live their lives. You are an ignorant, untraveled, uneducated individual. May the gods have mercy on your soul.
Ignorant? I wouldn't say that, somehow I manage to avoid typing in ALL CAPS. I just have a well-developed sense of justice. And I don't mean bullcrap race-hustler 'social justice' either.
Untraveled? I live in Finland most of the year, moron. Just within the last six months, I've driven to (and lived in) Serbia, Germany and Scotland. European gas is $9+ a gallon, and my European ride is my bigass 35 year old V-8 Chevy. But I can afford it. Why? Because I am educated and don't need to steal from others to have nice things. Nice things like old trucks. And firearms.
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Jag Hiroshii
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.08.10 05:45:00 -
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Originally by: jason hill the kids rioting in the streets have got nothing to do with the rodney king incident .in the uk the police mostly police with consent please do not compare london with LA
the kids for some reason seem to think that they are disenfranchiced (spelling its late) with the rest of society which is simply not true .for christ sakes i personally know plumbers roofers and chippies crying out for young kids so that they can train then up ...but the current mentality of the kids today leaves them ..bemused
and we wonder here in the uk why we are falling behind ? i wonder ..is it the benefits system and the total lack of a stable familiy ?
enquiring mind would like to ask
That.
Personally, I think there is an underclass that are too lazy to compete with everyone else in society for jobs and status (and respect) so they invent their own way. One where the nature of the activity excludes the majority of the potential competition on a moral basis. In this reduced community, they can 'be someone' much quicker.
Naturally, this clashes with the real world from time to time.
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Myfanwy Heimdal
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.08.10 08:27:00 -
[180]
Off topic > Nice picture, Vogue.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2011.08.10 08:41:00 -
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There has been two shootings in the whole of the riots, one of them was the police shooting a gangster. More people were killed by a car ramming into them last night so it looks to me like guns are not as simple to get get as some here would think.
I was going to take a trip to manchester to visit a few museums but I dont think I want my car getting turned into a roman candle
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.08.10 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Kijo Rikki Edited by: Kijo Rikki on 10/08/2011 02:11:38
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lol, And?
Just pointing out that gun ownership makes it easier for the bad guys to get guns and simultaneously points out a fallacy that guns somehow prevent crime...nothing like having your own gun stolen from you to point that out.
It doesn't actually, look at Canada and their gun laws and the amount of weaponry getting into the wrong hands.
The only problem with US gun laws is the fact that gun shows are very unregulated. If those loopholes were closed you'd see less guns reaching those who shouldn't have one. - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring |
Kijo Rikki
Caldari Point of No Return Waterboard
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Posted - 2011.08.10 12:51:00 -
[183]
Morning, Barakkus,
I was about to rebut on the link I posted, where 600k were stolen from households and only 70k were reported missing or stolen from reputable dealers. Then I realized that was 70k on roughly 10% audited.
In any case, on that same link I wound up on 'Trace the Guns', an interactive map that shows a states gun laws, the amount of crime guns imported and exported through that state and the time to crime stats. Rather interesting, though I wouldn't know entirely what to make of it.
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2011.08.10 13:31:00 -
[184]
Interesting how CNN makes no mention of the 3 dead in the riots so far, is it wild guessing it's because they're asian and most likely muslim?
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2011.08.10 14:52:00 -
[185]
Originally by: Jones Bones Just so you Euros know...not every American is as ignorant and violent as Bart Starr.
UK has lower crime rates. UK has lower incarceration rates. UK has lower rate of gun ownership.
But go ahead and tell a group of people living across an ocean how they should live their lives. You are an ignorant, untraveled, uneducated individual. May the gods have mercy on your soul.
We already educated you people on how you can't tell us to live ours. The year was 1776.
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Bane Necran
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.08.10 15:03:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1 IPCC is not part of the police.
But where will they be getting their information? From the deceased via seance, or the police?
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Blacksquirrel
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Posted - 2011.08.10 15:16:00 -
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Having watched a bit of footage, and looked at pics from the riots.... Is it some kind of law in the UK that everyone own a black or grey hoodie?
Forget the color of the people thats the one thing I noticed everyone and their uncle is wearing a hoodie.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2011.08.10 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: Bane Necran
Originally by: baltec1 IPCC is not part of the police.
But where will they be getting their information? From the deceased via seance, or the police?
You know when someone commits a crime and the police needs to find evidence to see who did what to who to prove who did the crime? Yea its kinda like that only the IPCC is ivestigating the police rather than a criminal.
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Bane Necran
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.08.10 15:42:00 -
[189]
Edited by: Bane Necran on 10/08/2011 15:43:32
Originally by: baltec1 You know when someone commits a crime and the police needs to find evidence to see who did what to who to prove who did the crime? Yea its kinda like that only the IPCC is ivestigating the police rather than a criminal.
In theory it should work that way. I'm not as optimistic it will, but i do hope you're right.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2011.08.10 15:45:00 -
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Edited by: baltec1 on 10/08/2011 15:45:52
Originally by: Bane Necran
Originally by: baltec1 You know when someone commits a crime and the police needs to find evidence to see who did what to who to prove who did the crime? Yea its kinda like that only the IPCC is ivestigating the police rather than a criminal.
I'm not as optimistic, but i do hope you're right.
They nailed a copper who ****d some women up here a while ago. The IPCC is rather good at getting to the bottom of what happened.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2011.08.10 15:47:00 -
[191]
Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer on 10/08/2011 15:50:25
Originally by: Kijo Rikki Morning, Barakkus,
I was about to rebut on the link I posted, where 600k were stolen from households and only 70k were reported missing or stolen from reputable dealers. Then I realized that was 70k on roughly 10% audited.
In any case, on that same link I wound up on 'Trace the Guns', an interactive map that shows a states gun laws, the amount of crime guns imported and exported through that state and the time to crime stats. Rather interesting, though I wouldn't know entirely what to make of it.
Lots of guns in the hands of criminals actually come from the government
"Fast and Furious" was intended to be a false flag operation against the 2nd Amendment. Their mistake was to make noise about guns being purchased in the US and snuck into Mexico, BEFORE actually facilitating that themselves. The BATFE is caught red-handed on this one. Even the gun stores tried to warn the BATFE and were told to sell the guns anyway.
But that's what was "walked" over the border. Here's a collection of links involving 30000 guns that the US government "facilitated" into the hands of drug cartels. Cartel guns have a tendency to end up BACK in the US too, and the usual blood dance from the media ensues when some politically incorrect gun (all black, detachable magazine, etc) is found at a crime scene.
Now as for the "gun show loophole", here's a case of a known illegal alien with a legal Texas ID buying a gun illegally and the seller ends up in prison while the alien is still in the US. (this should be a clue as to how closing the so-called loophole will really work: with unintended consequences).
In the end, we have guns because we are freemen bearing arms - and this is older than the Constitution. Real freedom is NOT asking for permission or gaining the approval of others, or even needing an excuse. People ask me why I have a gun, I say, because I have the right to. Anyone thinking otherwise is welcome to turn democracy into a weapon against liberty and vote in disarmament, and thus make welcome the opportunity to carry out the instructions in the preamble of the Declaration of Independence (the one about "throwing off" bad government).
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2011.08.10 15:50:00 -
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Originally by: Blacksquirrel Having watched a bit of footage, and looked at pics from the riots.... Is it some kind of law in the UK that everyone own a black or grey hoodie?
Forget the color of the people thats the one thing I noticed everyone and their uncle is wearing a hoodie.
It's the country of Robin Hood, how can you be a robbing hood without said hood?
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Bane Necran
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.08.10 15:59:00 -
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Edited by: Bane Necran on 10/08/2011 16:03:23
Originally by: baltec1 They nailed a copper who ****d some women up here a while ago. The IPCC is rather good at getting to the bottom of what happened.
With **** cases you've got DNA evidence and a living victim who can identify features of a persons body not normally seen. But in a situation like this all you've got are witnesses, if there even are witnesses aside from police, and they first have to decide to testify against the police, something which could make life difficult for them down the road, and after that it's a matter of them being believed. "Just look at them, they're clearly poor, and black, too! I suggest their biased testimony be stricken from the record, your honour. We can only trust the word of our noble officers who've humbly given their lives to selfless service of the populace, and should not allow them to be defamed like this by common criminals."
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2011.08.10 16:29:00 -
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Hey I just realized something.
What was going on in Britain that was making big news BEFORE these riots?
I said already that there is always a ready supply of knuckleheads ready to riot for any reason, any time. But why now?
What was making the headlines in Britain before this stuff started?
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Nimrod Nemesis
Amarr Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2011.08.10 16:32:00 -
[195]
I honestly feel safer because Herzog is here with his gun posts.
It's an exellent distraction from the facts about what is going on.
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Tai Meijer
Caldari Malkutha
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Posted - 2011.08.10 16:32:00 -
[196]
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer Hey I just realized something.
What was going on in Britain that was making big news BEFORE these riots?
I said already that there is always a ready supply of knuckleheads ready to riot for any reason, any time. But why now?
What was making the headlines in Britain before this stuff started?
FTSE dropping, economy going down the pan etc..
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Shirley Serious
Amarr The Khanid Sisters of Athra
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Posted - 2011.08.10 16:39:00 -
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Here's a thing that happened over 100 years ago http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tottenham_Outrage
Where several (almost entirely) unarmed citizens helped chase down 2 armed robbers.
Handgun ownership without a similar sense of duty wouldn't change the current situation in London much.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2011.08.10 16:49:00 -
[198]
More questions:
- what would have happened if anyone, instead of atacking private property, attempted to burn down parliament? Where the police "standing down and observing" there?
- What would the police do to you if you went running up to these "youths" and attempted to unmask them?
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.08.10 16:50:00 -
[199]
Originally by: Nimrod Nemesis I honestly feel safer because Herzog is here with his gun posts.
It's an exellent distraction from the facts about what is going on.
Shh, we're ignoring him for good reason. - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring |
Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2011.08.10 17:01:00 -
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RAW23
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Posted - 2011.08.10 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
In the end, we have guns because we are freemen bearing arms - and this is older than the Constitution. Real freedom is NOT asking for permission or gaining the approval of others, or even needing an excuse. People ask me why I have a gun, I say, because I have the right to. Anyone thinking otherwise is welcome to turn democracy into a weapon against liberty and vote in disarmament, and thus make welcome the opportunity to carry out the instructions in the preamble of the Declaration of Independence (the one about "throwing off" bad government).
There is so much stuff I find deplorable about attitudes that tend to manifest on the American right but I could forgive them almost anything for their genuine attachment to this ethos.
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Bane Necran
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.08.10 17:04:00 -
[202]
Edited by: Bane Necran on 10/08/2011 17:04:37
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer Hey I just realized something.
What was going on in Britain that was making big news BEFORE these riots?
I said already that there is always a ready supply of knuckleheads ready to riot for any reason, any time. But why now?
What was making the headlines in Britain before this stuff started?
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer More questions:
- what would have happened if anyone, instead of atacking private property, attempted to burn down parliament? Where the police "standing down and observing" there?
- What would the police do to you if you went running up to these "youths" and attempted to unmask them?
I think you're suggesting agent provocateurs? It's certainly possible, with police being caught red handed doing it before. I personally don't think so in this case, though. Economic instability is nothing new, and it still makes top news next to the riots. If they were planning on distracting people they're a little late, and doing it wrong.
I think TPTB in Britain were completely blindsided by this.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2011.08.10 17:43:00 -
[203]
Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: Nimrod Nemesis I honestly feel safer because Herzog is here with his gun posts.
It's an exellent distraction from the facts about what is going on.
Shh, we're ignoring him for good reason.
Hey I can see that!
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Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.08.10 17:45:00 -
[204]
I still feel mankind, as a whole, should suffer some sort of cataclysm (meteors coming crashing into us, somebody shooting nukes, bananaphones being released, etc..) so that it could get a culling.
and I do mean a nasty one, back to 1/10th of what we are now. ---
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Bane Necran
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.08.10 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak I still feel mankind, as a whole, should suffer some sort of cataclysm (meteors coming crashing into us, somebody shooting nukes, bananaphones being released, etc..) so that it could get a culling.
and I do mean a nasty one, back to 1/10th of what we are now.
It's just the greedy psychopathic corporate bastards who need a culling. Your average person just wants to live a comfortable life among friends and family. The Earth can sustain many more people as long as corporate greed isn't raping and polluting the planet.
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Wild Rho
Amarr Silent Core
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Posted - 2011.08.10 18:02:00 -
[206]
Originally by: Grimpak I still feel mankind, as a whole, should suffer some sort of cataclysm (meteors coming crashing into us, somebody shooting nukes, bananaphones being released, etc..) so that it could get a culling.
and I do mean a nasty one, back to 1/10th of what we are now.
I'm sure your friends and family appreciate you wishing it'd be a good thing if they died.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2011.08.10 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: Bane Necran
Originally by: Grimpak I still feel mankind, as a whole, should suffer some sort of cataclysm (meteors coming crashing into us, somebody shooting nukes, bananaphones being released, etc..) so that it could get a culling.
and I do mean a nasty one, back to 1/10th of what we are now.
It's just the greedy psychopathic corporate bastards who need a culling. Your average person just wants to live a comfortable life among friends and family. The Earth can sustain many more people as long as corporate greed isn't raping and polluting the planet.
Might as well just end us all now
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Bart Starr
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Posted - 2011.08.10 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer Hey I just realized something.
What was going on in Britain that was making big news BEFORE these riots?
I said already that there is always a ready supply of knuckleheads ready to riot for any reason, any time. But why now?
What was making the headlines in Britain before this stuff started?
Oh. my. god. They are rioting over Amy Whinehouse?????? 'The man' killed her as well???
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Bart Starr
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Posted - 2011.08.10 18:56:00 -
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I wouldn't doubt that police forces, especially in corrupt cities are capable of really rotten stuff. Like threatening to 'blow peoples brains out' simply for having a concealed permit.
In the battle between rioters and police, I will take the side of the police. However I have a healthy suspicion of them as well, especially in countries like the UK where they are doing their best to regulate every aspect of life. They even have 'KNIFE' control in england. (no knives over a certain length unless you are a chef) for chrissakes.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2011.08.10 18:58:00 -
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Originally by: Bart Starr
Oh. my. god. They are rioting over Amy Whinehouse?????? 'The man' killed her as well???
Depends. Is it possible to roll one up in paper and smoke him? Or perhaps she tried to directly inject him into a vein.
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Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.08.10 19:30:00 -
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Edited by: Grimpak on 10/08/2011 19:31:58
Originally by: Wild Rho
Originally by: Grimpak I still feel mankind, as a whole, should suffer some sort of cataclysm (meteors coming crashing into us, somebody shooting nukes, bananaphones being released, etc..) so that it could get a culling.
and I do mean a nasty one, back to 1/10th of what we are now.
I'm sure your friends and family appreciate you wishing it'd be a good thing if they died.
hey, if you got to be fair, you got to be fair to everybody.
if I died in said cataclysm, so be it. that would mean that I wasn't worthy.
do I wish it for my family and friends? no, but I don't control who lives or who dies. ---
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Myfanwy Heimdal
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Posted - 2011.08.10 19:30:00 -
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Originally by: Bart Starr I wouldn't doubt that police forces, especially in corrupt cities are capable of really rotten stuff. Like threatening to 'blow peoples brains out' simply for having a concealed permit.
In the battle between rioters and police, I will take the side of the police. However I have a healthy suspicion of them as well, especially in countries like the UK where they are doing their best to regulate every aspect of life. They even have 'KNIFE' control in england. (no knives over a certain length unless you are a chef) for chrissakes.
I think that your view of the United Kingdom is rather strange. Or do you really mean England and just England and not the other countries?
As for the knives being banned; it's not as simple and straightforward as you make it out to be. Is there a need for a youth in a hoodie to be carrying a ten inch knife on the Clapham omnibus but for someone out living in the sticks there may be a damned fine reason to have a knife. In fact, I tend to have a knife in my Barbour at all times.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.08.10 20:53:00 -
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On a side note, I'm reconsidering owning a Blackberry at the moment: http://www.cnn.com/2011/TECH/web/08/09/london.rioting/index.html?hpt=te_r1
If they're willing to just disclose any and all text messages that "may be related" and I just happen to be somewhere something like this happens, I don't think I'd appreciate police showing up on my doorstep because I text a friend of mine about a video game and say, "zomg i gotz all teh phat lewtz!" - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring |
Wild Rho
Amarr Silent Core
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Posted - 2011.08.10 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak Edited by: Grimpak on 10/08/2011 19:31:58
Originally by: Wild Rho
Originally by: Grimpak I still feel mankind, as a whole, should suffer some sort of cataclysm (meteors coming crashing into us, somebody shooting nukes, bananaphones being released, etc..) so that it could get a culling.
and I do mean a nasty one, back to 1/10th of what we are now.
I'm sure your friends and family appreciate you wishing it'd be a good thing if they died.
hey, if you got to be fair, you got to be fair to everybody.
if I died in said cataclysm, so be it. that would mean that I wasn't worthy.
do I wish it for my family and friends? no, but I don't control who lives or who dies.
Yet by your own words you still think it'd be a positive thing. I dare you to say that to their faces.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.08.10 22:09:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak I still feel mankind, as a whole, should suffer some sort of cataclysm (meteors coming crashing into us, somebody shooting nukes, bananaphones being released, etc..) so that it could get a culling.
and I do mean a nasty one, back to 1/10th of what we are now.
No one in their right mind would want to live through that though. - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring |
Lady Skank
Ban Evasion inc
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Originally by: Barakkus On a side note, I'm reconsidering owning a Blackberry at the moment: http://www.cnn.com/2011/TECH/web/08/09/london.rioting/index.html?hpt=te_r1
If they're willing to just disclose any and all text messages that "may be related" and I just happen to be somewhere something like this happens, I don't think I'd appreciate police showing up on my doorstep because I text a friend of mine about a video game and say, "zomg i gotz all teh phat lewtz!"
That's not unique to RIM, the police can request details from any mobile service provider, social networking site and any public phone box records. Depending on how thorough the police want to be they could even be data mining almost every text message or phone calls made in the riot areas and cross referencing location information on where certain phones have been.
If you want to avoid authorities snooping through your stuff you need to dump your phones and PCs altogether.
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Vogue
Short Bus Pole Dancers
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Posted - 2011.08.11 01:02:00 -
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I suppose Cameron is advising people to move along, home. It takes a Brit to know a Brit. C'est la vie.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2011.08.11 06:19:00 -
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Seems to be over. Now come the dawn raids
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Jago Kain
Amarr Ramm's RDI Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2011.08.11 06:21:00 -
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Originally by: Ultim8Evil I'm surprised to see that rioting has started in Liverpool now.
If my memory serves me correctly, the last time they all huddled together and started pushing and shoving, it didn't work out too well for them?
The true death toll at this event is horribly undereported and is much higher than 96.
I'd say it would have to be upwards of 5000 as every time the subject of Hillsborough rears it's head anywhere locally (I live in Murkeyside) you get 15 folk all claiming to have lost family or friends there.
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Jago Kain
Amarr Ramm's RDI Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2011.08.11 06:43:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Bane Necran Yeah, i'm sure we can trust the police themselves to give a fair analysis of everything. I'm certain they'd be quite anxious to incriminate themselves and make things worse if they were at fault.
IPCC is not part of the police.
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Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.08.11 07:40:00 -
[221]
Originally by: Wild Rho
Originally by: Grimpak Edited by: Grimpak on 10/08/2011 19:31:58
Originally by: Wild Rho
Originally by: Grimpak I still feel mankind, as a whole, should suffer some sort of cataclysm (meteors coming crashing into us, somebody shooting nukes, bananaphones being released, etc..) so that it could get a culling.
and I do mean a nasty one, back to 1/10th of what we are now.
I'm sure your friends and family appreciate you wishing it'd be a good thing if they died.
hey, if you got to be fair, you got to be fair to everybody.
if I died in said cataclysm, so be it. that would mean that I wasn't worthy.
do I wish it for my family and friends? no, but I don't control who lives or who dies.
Yet by your own words you still think it'd be a positive thing. I dare you to say that to their faces.
in the long run? who knows. at the very least it would wash out a good ammount of filth that we have among us, so yes it would be an improvement. we're too big for our own good. ---
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Tai Meijer
Caldari Malkutha
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Posted - 2011.08.11 13:59:00 -
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I told you! I told you they would use these riots for their advantage!!!
Daily mail
This part...
"Police have been given the right to unmask thugs bringing choas to Britain's streets and measures could be taken to clamp down on social media, David Cameron announced today.
The Prime Minister, in an emergency statement to the Commons on the violence, suggested sites such as Twitter could be closed down during periods of disorder to avoid co-ordinated unrest."
That's what iran does. Welcome to the UK.
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Wilhelm Riley
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Posted - 2011.08.11 14:05:00 -
[223]
Originally by: Tai Meijer I told you! I told you they would use these riots for their advantage!!!
Daily mail
This part...
"Police have been given the right to unmask thugs bringing choas to Britain's streets and measures could be taken to clamp down on social media, David Cameron announced today.
The Prime Minister, in an emergency statement to the Commons on the violence, suggested sites such as Twitter could be closed down during periods of disorder to avoid co-ordinated unrest."
That's what iran does. Welcome to the UK.
Why would they care about Twitter when they're willing burning down the only place they can get their dole money?
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Tai Meijer
Caldari Malkutha
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Posted - 2011.08.11 14:06:00 -
[224]
Originally by: Wilhelm Riley
Originally by: Tai Meijer I told you! I told you they would use these riots for their advantage!!!
Daily mail
This part...
"Police have been given the right to unmask thugs bringing choas to Britain's streets and measures could be taken to clamp down on social media, David Cameron announced today.
The Prime Minister, in an emergency statement to the Commons on the violence, suggested sites such as Twitter could be closed down during periods of disorder to avoid co-ordinated unrest."
That's what iran does. Welcome to the UK.
Why would they care about Twitter when they're willing burning down the only place they can get their dole money?
Jobcentres wern't touched, only JD sports and all those other pikey outfits.
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Othran
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.08.11 14:14:00 -
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Edited by: Othran on 11/08/2011 14:14:45 I think its worth reposting this here and I think we'd all be better people if we could be more like Tariq Jahan.
They are the words of a father whose son was murdered in Birmingham (there are videos all over the place of the man). He's appealing for calm a few hours after three people in a car drove over his son and others who were protecting their business :
"I donÆt blame the police, I donÆt blame the government. IÆm a Muslim: I believe in divine fate and destiny. It was his fate, his destiny, and now heÆs gone, and may Allah forgive him and bless him. Step forward if you want to lose your sons. Otherwise calm down and go home û please."
I don't believe in imaginary friends (gods) but how this man watched his son get murdered, performed CPR on him (your own child, its unimaginable horror to a parent) and still have the generosity of spirit to say what he said is almost enough to make you wonder.
What a man.
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Citizen20100211442
Minmatar Carebear Evolution
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Posted - 2011.08.11 14:34:00 -
[226]
20 years more, and every big European city will look like Detroit
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2011.08.11 14:42:00 -
[227]
What none dare say
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Zhula Guixgrixks
Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations
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Posted - 2011.08.11 15:20:00 -
[228]
Clive Bloom interviewed by SPIEGEL (GT!)
Bloom: There's always a trigger. Previously, this was really harassment by the police, who was 30 years ago, much more racist than today. Today, the police conduct is only one justification. These kids see the stores with things that they want. It is a huge robbery. Except that not a single person will be deducted, but even a whole business. Then you earn by selling the goods. There is street capitalism - the young people imitate it, do what the bankers at the other end of the spectrum.
whole interview
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Holy One
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2011.08.11 15:36:00 -
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Jago Kain
Amarr Ramm's RDI Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2011.08.11 16:29:00 -
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Originally by: Wilhelm Riley
Why would they care about Twitter when they're willing burning down the only place they can get their dole money?
Don't be daft. All us rioting dole-scum get our bludge paid directly into bank accounts these days... no post-office neccessary.
Anybody want to buy a 52" plasma screen in a slightly singed box?
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2011.08.11 16:38:00 -
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Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer on 11/08/2011 16:39:15 Don't worry, blokes, it appears that Amazon has your back.
No worry, make your own - lots of useful links there. Just don't repeat the Brown Bess on the world - that rifle cost you guys 13 colonies.
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Nimrod Nemesis
Amarr Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2011.08.11 16:48:00 -
[232]
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer on 11/08/2011 16:39:15 No worry, make your own - lots of useful links there.
What the ****?
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2011.08.11 17:32:00 -
[233]
Now if all those Twitters in Britain said anything about real important "targets", would the response have been anything like this?
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baltec1
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Posted - 2011.08.11 17:41:00 -
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Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer on 11/08/2011 16:39:15 Don't worry, blokes, it appears that Amazon has your back.
Bugger me thats some strong right wing American biased reporting going on there. Also some rather big lies too. At no point did the police stand down, they were simply massivly over-extended and unable to move in to arrest people becacue it took everything they had just to hold the lines.
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Tai Meijer
Caldari Malkutha
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Posted - 2011.08.11 18:00:00 -
[235]
Edited by: Tai Meijer on 11/08/2011 18:01:25
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer on 11/08/2011 16:39:15 Don't worry, blokes, it appears that Amazon has your back.
Bugger me thats some strong right wing American biased reporting going on there. Also some rather big lies too. At no point did the police stand down, they were simply massivly over-extended and unable to move in to arrest people becacue it took everything they had just to hold the lines.
Rubbish, numerous police blogs from serving coppers have said they were ordered to 'hold the line'.
Watch this for actual proof. From people in the neighbourhoods.
They were 'holding the line' when people were only feet away smashing stuff up. So don't spout such bull please.
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Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
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Posted - 2011.08.12 00:29:00 -
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Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer on 11/08/2011 16:39:15 Don't worry, blokes, it appears that Amazon has your back.
No worry, make your own - lots of useful links there. Just don't repeat the Brown Bess on the world - that rifle cost you guys 13 colonies.
Amazon removed the items because of corporate image, they don't want to be seen arming either rioters or vigilantes. Amazon regularly pulls different goods down to maintain its image so its nothing new.
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Alu Utukku
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Posted - 2011.08.12 01:26:00 -
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Originally by: Zhula Guixgrixks Clive Bloom interviewed by SPIEGEL (GT!)
Bloom: There's always a trigger. Previously, this was really harassment by the police, who was 30 years ago, much more racist than today. Today, the police conduct is only one justification. These kids see the stores with things that they want. It is a huge robbery. Except that not a single person will be deducted, but even a whole business. Then you earn by selling the goods. There is street capitalism - the young people imitate it, do what the bankers at the other end of the spectrum.
whole interview
Somebody gets it.
why work for a living if it's going to be stolen out from under you in a fixed game? it may be a touch oversimplified, but how many bankers were hauled off to jail for theft or fraud? how many were even named or prosecuted? how many were even investigated? zero zip nada and this is status quo.
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The Pillar
Cornerstone Unlimited
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Posted - 2011.08.12 12:50:00 -
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Originally by: Citizen20100211442 20 years more, and every big European city will look like Detroit
Showing some fine knowledge of Europe/Uk there matey
(PS yes I know UK is supposedly in europe, just most europeans consider the UK a satelite of the US. )
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Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2011.08.12 13:30:00 -
[239]
Originally by: Jago Kain
Originally by: Ultim8Evil I'm surprised to see that rioting has started in Liverpool now.
If my memory serves me correctly, the last time they all huddled together and started pushing and shoving, it didn't work out too well for them?
The true death toll at this event is horribly undereported and is much higher than 96.
I'd say it would have to be upwards of 5000 as every time the subject of Hillsborough rears it's head anywhere locally (I live in Murkeyside) you get 15 folk all claiming to have lost family or friends there.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2011.08.12 16:35:00 -
[240]
I... don't..... understand.....
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baltec1
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Posted - 2011.08.12 16:42:00 -
[241]
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
I... don't..... understand.....
You can never change a chav, no matter how much help you give them.
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mira kantos
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Posted - 2011.08.17 11:29:00 -
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i dont understand why ppl were complaining about this guys death in the first place. all i see in the press is ppl going , oh his such a good boy , he never did any wrong thos poilice are meanies. BULL. he was a gunrunner plain and simple. he had a loaded gun in a sock with the safty off, to the uneducated this means he was ready to use it.
you keep the gun in the sock to prevent shell casings from escaping and absorbs large amounts of poweder burns. this man had a gun he was ready to use and he got shot for it. I DO NOT FEEL SRY! as for those rioters they need a damn good dose of rock hard disiplne with a side order of training in a work style. bring back bootcamps run by ex army /police that we fired cause the policitions dont wont to lose there high payed benifits.
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Takseen
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Posted - 2011.08.18 09:34:00 -
[243]
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
What none dare say
Interesting article, but it fails to explain a number of things. It keeps bringing up the fact that some race riots happened shortly after the Civil Rights Act went into effect, but doesn't explain why. Perhaps there is something the author Dare Not Say? It also mentions "no fathers at home" as a contributory factor for people rioting in England, without any explanation of why he thinks this is so. He also blames state run education, perhaps he just means poor quality education? I'm not too familiar with the system in Britain. The jealousy and envy caused by income inequality is a very good point though. And since I do support merit-based income inequality, all I can suggest is ensuring that everyone has the opportunity to reach their income potential. Also I agree that there are perverse incentives not to work and form a two parent family created by the social welfare system.
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Tai Meijer
Caldari Malkutha
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Posted - 2011.08.18 12:33:00 -
[244]
Originally by: baltec1
Yes because they didnt have the manpower to go out and arrest them. A handfull of police cannot take on a mob of 100+ and they couldnt afford to take men off the front lines to take arsewipes to the cells.
Nope not true, there were many who because they were not arrested, were able to hit elsewhere, in any case filth didn't even try to PREVENT crime that was happening right infront of them, either to protect property or person, again, they were told to 'hold the line and stand still' even when they outnumbered the mob.
Sorry, but there are just too many reports from people who actually lived where the rioting was occuring, saying the filth just stood there and did nothing, and yes, they had the numbers to do that. --------------------------------------------------
Originally by: VKhaun Vex I'm going to go ahead and say I have no answer. No example at all. I was just making it up.
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Alu Utukku
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Posted - 2011.08.18 20:28:00 -
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Edited by: Alu Utukku on 18/08/2011 20:29:14 An interesting bit of over reaction by police during the initial protest seems to have had significant repercussions on the riots:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/aug/08/tottenham-riot-twitter
"Once again social media reporting overtook the news as residents of Tottenham took to the streets alongside journalists to document the damage. An alternative narrative emerged on Twitter and Facebook as rioting spread, and it proved starkly different to what official representatives were saying on our television screens.
One strong rumour that gained ground is that of a 16-year-old girl being beaten by police soon after the peaceful protest ended at Tottenham police station. An eyewitness told BBC News that "a young female had approached the police standing line and she was set upon by police and their batons". Videos uploaded on YouTube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcwUyZ68C0k from in and around the area further reinforce this rumour, documenting people caught up in the fray, shouting in disgust. The incident has been dismissed as unsubstantiated and consequently downplayed in media coverage. However, video footage û though unclear û has been uploaded, making such claims credible."
Duggan's death sparked a protest; police response sparked a riot. never hit something with total overkill when the response will be exponentially worse.
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Zhula Guixgrixks
Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations
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Posted - 2011.08.22 20:01:00 -
[246]
Broken Britain
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2011.08.23 00:47:00 -
[247]
Is London still burning?
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Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
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Posted - 2011.08.23 16:09:00 -
[248]
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Is London still burning?
No not now, its just smouldering again with its usual levels of crime and violence. Although it might be interesting to see the longer term statistics and see if there is any drop in crime levels, many of the usual law breakers might have been remanded in custody awaiting trial or received custodial sentences for their parts in the riot. If enough of them are behind bars the crime levels might drop.
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Karloth Valois
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.08.23 22:19:00 -
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Edited by: Karloth Valois on 23/08/2011 22:20:50
Originally by: Jhagiti Tyran If enough of them are behind bars the crime levels might drop.
Thats what the younger generation are for, out there are a group of 9 year olds just waiting to take their place
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