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Melchiades Seti
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Posted - 2011.07.24 20:30:00 -
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I chanced to "show info" on a star one day. The game, so rich in detail, had many facts about the sun, including its age. It said 67 billion years. Odd, since the guy who plays me (and holds a certain physical resemblance to me) lives in a universe estimated to be only about 15-16 billion years old. I looked at some more stars. Some were over 350 billion years old! This means I live in a time hundreds of billions of years later than the person who plays me. Why haven't I evolved past the need for toes? I should be many, many times farther evolved than he is beyond an amoeba. Something on which to think in my travels amongst the stars.
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2011.07.24 20:39:00 -
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You would know the answer to your question if you just paid a slight bit of attention to your robe-clad neighbours. -
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.07.24 20:43:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 24/07/2011 20:44:19
Canonically, EVE is only around 10k years in the future Then again, the showinfo is bonkers.
P.S. The "EVE wormhole" could have been a transdimensional wormhole into a much, MUCH older universe _
Make ISK||Build||React||1k papercuts
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dexington
Caldari Baconoration
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Posted - 2011.07.24 20:59:00 -
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you know we are created in the image of god, maybe feet with toes is the highest form of evolution :)
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Meryl SinGarda
Caldari Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
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Posted - 2011.07.24 21:11:00 -
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I see this a lot, people constantly confusing Universe and Galaxy.
What our characters live within is the New Eden or "EVE" galaxy.
That galaxy exists in THE Universe.
And if the Universe or "a" Universe is infinite, then I would begin to wonder just how old it really is, or if it can even be measured with time.
But, judging from your post, I would think that you meant galaxy, like a lot of the other people that I see confusing these two words.
Speaking of galaxies, I would crawl through a million wartargets, pirates, Sansha slaves and electromagnetic clouds to be able to fly into the Milky Way Galaxy. Fly safe, Die hard |
dexington
Caldari Baconoration
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Posted - 2011.07.24 21:24:00 -
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Edited by: dexington on 24/07/2011 21:27:27
Originally by: Meryl SinGarda And if the Universe or "a" Universe is infinite, then I would begin to wonder just how old it really is, or if it can even be measured with time.
Age of the universe
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Meryl SinGarda
Caldari Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
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Posted - 2011.07.24 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: dexington
Originally by: Meryl SinGarda And if the Universe or "a" Universe is infinite, then I would begin to wonder just how old it really is, or if it can even be measured with time.
Age of the universe
Bad request.
And all of these things are theories. Scientists are saying now that they're not even sure if the "Big Bang" is the right answer.
Take your wikipedia and shove it. Fly safe, Die hard |
Victoria Arnolles
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Posted - 2011.07.24 21:26:00 -
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Originally by: Meryl SinGarda I see this a lot, people constantly confusing Universe and Galaxy.
What our characters live within is the New Eden or "EVE" galaxy.
That galaxy exists in THE Universe.
And if the Universe or "a" Universe is infinite, then I would begin to wonder just how old it really is, or if it can even be measured with time.
The universe we live in is slightly less than 14 billion years old. You can go on all day about other universes or what existed before this universe happened, fact is that the EVE galaxy must be in the same universe as us, since we went there, found exactly the same type of stuff there and could live there. That means stars in the EVE galaxy, just like all other stars in all other galaxies in our universe cannot be older than 14 billion years (even less than that, since first generation stars wouldn't last that long).
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Meryl SinGarda
Caldari Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
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Posted - 2011.07.24 21:27:00 -
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Originally by: Victoria Arnolles
Originally by: Meryl SinGarda I see this a lot, people constantly confusing Universe and Galaxy.
What our characters live within is the New Eden or "EVE" galaxy.
That galaxy exists in THE Universe.
And if the Universe or "a" Universe is infinite, then I would begin to wonder just how old it really is, or if it can even be measured with time.
The universe we live in is slightly less than 14 billion years old. You can go on all day about other universes or what existed before this universe happened, fact is that the EVE galaxy must be in the same universe as us, since we went there, found exactly the same type of stuff there and could live there. That means stars in the EVE galaxy, just like all other stars in all other galaxies in our universe cannot be older than 14 billion years (even less than that, since first generation stars wouldn't last that long).
You use "is" and "cannot" as if these are all solid facts. Fly safe, Die hard |
Victoria Arnolles
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Posted - 2011.07.24 21:30:00 -
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Edited by: Victoria Arnolles on 24/07/2011 21:35:35
Originally by: Meryl SinGarda And all of these things are theories. Scientists are saying now that they're not even sure if the "Big Bang" is the right answer.
Depends on what question your asking. If it is "where did the part of the universe we can see come from" all evidence points at a tiny point almost 14 billion years ago.
Where did that point come from? Dunno. Was that point all that existed? Dunno. Did we come from that point? Absolutely.
Originally by: Meryl SinGarda You use "is" and "cannot" as if these are all solid facts.
They're as solid facts as you'll ever encounter in science.
Originally by: Meryl SinGarda I have learned never to just accept something without asking more questions.
*******s. A vast majority of scientists (in fields relevant to this topic) supports the facts I just mentioned. These facts are based on observation and theories based on these facts work beautifully, so there's no reason to question the facts. There are no questions you (or I) could ask which they haven't thought of yet.
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Meryl SinGarda
Caldari Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
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Posted - 2011.07.24 21:35:00 -
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Edited by: Meryl SinGarda on 24/07/2011 21:36:37
Originally by: Victoria Arnolles
They're as solid facts as you'll ever encounter in science.
At least right now they are, in the year 2011.
Originally by: Victoria Arnolles
Bullocks. A vast majority of scientists (in fields relevant to this topic) supports the facts I just mentioned. These facts are based on observation and theories based on these facts work beautifully, so there's no reason to question the facts. There are no questions you (or I) could ask which they haven't thought of yet.
Also, if you're not asking questions, then you obviously aren't thinking, are you? Sorry, but I guess I'm one of the few that don't just accept things because a bunch of guys in white coats told me to, or because a guy in a black coat stood atop an altar and read from a book. Fly safe, Die hard |
dexington
Caldari Baconoration
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Posted - 2011.07.24 21:42:00 -
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Originally by: Meryl SinGarda Also, if you're not asking questions, then you obviously aren't thinking, are you? Sorry, but I guess I'm one of the few that don't just accept things because a bunch of guys in white coats told me to, or because a guy in a black coat stood atop an altar and read from a book.
You are also one of the people who believe the universe is infinite... you need to go to the library and read a book, you got a lot of catching up to do.
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Meryl SinGarda
Caldari Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
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Posted - 2011.07.24 21:45:00 -
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Edited by: Meryl SinGarda on 24/07/2011 21:47:18
Originally by: dexington
Originally by: Meryl SinGarda Also, if you're not asking questions, then you obviously aren't thinking, are you? Sorry, but I guess I'm one of the few that don't just accept things because a bunch of guys in white coats told me to, or because a guy in a black coat stood atop an altar and read from a book.
You are also one of the people who believe the universe is infinite... you need to go to the library and read a book, you got a lot of catching up to do.
I believe that you've got some reading comprehension to cover. Please, scroll up.
Also, sorry Melchiades Seti. I didn't mean for this to turn into what it is now. Lesson learned, you challenge the beliefs and theories of any person and they'll go all stubborn and blinders on you. Fly safe, Die hard |
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2011.07.24 21:46:00 -
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Edited by: Misanth on 24/07/2011 21:47:26
Originally by: Meryl SinGarda Edited by: Meryl SinGarda on 24/07/2011 21:36:37
Originally by: Victoria Arnolles
They're as solid facts as you'll ever encounter in science.
At least right now they are, in the year 2011.
Originally by: Victoria Arnolles
Bullocks. A vast majority of scientists (in fields relevant to this topic) supports the facts I just mentioned. These facts are based on observation and theories based on these facts work beautifully, so there's no reason to question the facts. There are no questions you (or I) could ask which they haven't thought of yet.
Also, if you're not asking questions, then you obviously aren't thinking, are you? Sorry, but I guess I'm one of the few that don't just accept things because a bunch of guys in white coats told me to, or because a guy in a black coat stood atop an altar and read from a book.
You should've hooked on my RP response instead of keeping this serious argument..
..but since it's an entertaining topic; let's bring maths and probability in this too, shall we? The odd chance of life springing up out of nowhere, in the Earth-scenario taught by evolutionists, is less likely (pure maths) than aliens or a God or hell even an EVE-gate is.
Big Bang just makes it a whole lot more advanced. And while most alot of theories can't be proven, technicly, like the structure of atom cores etc, we can still see parts of it in microscope - and predict it's structure based on behaviour, by proven facts in other cases. That is quite different from the Big Bang, or hell even life spawning out of volcanoes and frogfishes. There's no facts, and logic speaks for it, it's just a theory as much as anything else. And more appealing to believe in, than aliens or a deity.
So, let's get back to the EVE RP. Being Amarrian the answer to your question is quite simple. Deity ftw, alot more appealing than believing in a low-chance random event, or some random galaxy-travellers.
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Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2011.07.24 21:47:00 -
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Originally by: Meryl SinGarda Sorry, but I guess I'm one of the few that don't just accept things because a bunch of guys in white coats told me to, or because a guy in a black coat stood atop an altar and read from a book.
****ing magnets, how do they work?
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2011.07.24 21:48:00 -
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Originally by: Melchiades Seti I chanced to "show info" on a star one day. The game, so rich in detail, had many facts about the sun, including its age. It said 67 billion years. Odd, since the guy who plays me (and holds a certain physical resemblance to me) lives in a universe estimated to be only about 15-16 billion years old. I looked at some more stars. Some were over 350 billion years old! This means I live in a time hundreds of billions of years later than the person who plays me. Why haven't I evolved past the need for toes? I should be many, many times farther evolved than he is beyond an amoeba. Something on which to think in my travels amongst the stars.
Why wouldnt you have toes?
Youre of the same genetic stock that populates the planets(Dust). And Toes are really handy for moving around over diverse terrain.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Victoria Arnolles
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Posted - 2011.07.24 21:49:00 -
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Originally by: dexington You are also one of the people who believe the universe is infinite... you need to go to the library and read a book, you got a lot of catching up to do.
She's probably too busy asking questions instead of reading the answers to those questions in books.
A recent one which I quite liked was Stephen Hawking's The Grand Design, it's mainstream and accesible. For a more technical perspective, I can recommend Abraham Loeb's How Did the First Stars and Galaxies Form and for a quite speculative approach Marcus Chown's The Never-Ending Days of Being Dead.
If anyone else has any suggested reading on the subject, I'd love to hear about it :)
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Meryl SinGarda
Caldari Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
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Posted - 2011.07.24 21:49:00 -
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Edited by: Meryl SinGarda on 24/07/2011 21:50:28
Originally by: Omara Otawan
Originally by: Meryl SinGarda Sorry, but I guess I'm one of the few that don't just accept things because a bunch of guys in white coats told me to, or because a guy in a black coat stood atop an altar and read from a book.
****ing magnets, how do they work?
Magnets and something we can only see through a telescope are two entirely different things. Take your old meme and please go back to World of Warcraft or 4chan, whichever came first.
And with that, I leave this argument. The stubbornness of the people arguing here, in this thread, is exactly why it's taking so long to evolve. Fly safe, Die hard |
dexington
Caldari Baconoration
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Posted - 2011.07.24 21:53:00 -
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Edited by: dexington on 24/07/2011 21:53:36
Originally by: Meryl SinGarda
Originally by: dexington You are also one of the people who believe the universe is infinite... you need to go to the library and read a book, you got a lot of catching up to do.
I believe that you've got some reading comprehension to cover. Please, scroll up.
Originally by: Meryl SinGarda And if the Universe or "a" Universe is infinite, then I would begin to wonder just how old it really is, or if it can even be measured with time.
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Meryl SinGarda
Caldari Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
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Posted - 2011.07.24 21:54:00 -
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Edited by: Meryl SinGarda on 24/07/2011 21:57:46
Originally by: dexington
Originally by: Meryl SinGarda
Originally by: dexington You are also one of the people who believe the universe is infinite... you need to go to the library and read a book, you got a lot of catching up to do.
I believe that you've got some reading comprehension to cover. Please, scroll up.
Originally by: Meryl SinGarda And if the Universe or "a" Universe is infinite, then I would begin to wonder just how old it really is, or if it can even be measured with time.
Did you miss the part where I said "if."
For crying out loud EVE players.
And because you're next rebuttal will be just as shallow-minded, I believe that everything exists in theories. You can sit there with your tea and monocle and thump books all day long - and I'm not saying I disagree with everything - but, again, if you simply except everything, you're as bad as the rest of them. (p.s. I read, among other things involving words)
/end Fly safe, Die hard |
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dexington
Caldari Baconoration
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Posted - 2011.07.24 21:56:00 -
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And what point would there be in assuming the universe is infinite, when we know it's not...
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Vain Eldritch
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.07.24 21:57:00 -
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Because my dear, without your toes you'd fall over.
Evolution has the habbit to only remove useless genetic traits (like the desire to join a conservative political party) or self-destructive genetic traits (like the desire join a conser... you get the idea). ______________________________
Vanitas vanitatum omnia vanitas.
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Augustus Giovanni
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Posted - 2011.07.24 21:58:00 -
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What environmental pressure would select against toes in EVE?
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.07.24 22:05:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 24/07/2011 20:44:19
Canonically, EVE is only around 10k years in the future Then again, the showinfo is bonkers.
P.S. The "EVE wormhole" could have been a transdimensional wormhole into a much, MUCH older universe
Given that a number of physical laws* have radically changed in the EVE universe, this is as good an explanation as any.
*All of Newtons Laws of Motion spring to mind immediately
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Ingkala
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Posted - 2011.07.24 22:14:00 -
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Originally by: Melchiades Seti Odd, since the guy who plays me (and holds a certain physical resemblance to me) lives in a universe estimated to be only about 15-16 billion years old.
The universe is estimated to be about 13.7 billion years old.
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Melchiades Seti
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Posted - 2011.07.24 22:31:00 -
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Actually I've enjoyed reading the entire thread. :)
Maybe toes will be more finger-like. Imagine the possibilities.
Whichever, I hope whatever replaces them can't get gout! That doesn't belong in any galaxy or universe.
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Meryl SinGarda
Caldari Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
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Posted - 2011.07.24 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: Melchiades Seti Actually I've enjoyed reading the entire thread. :)
Maybe toes will be more finger-like. Imagine the possibilities.
Whichever, I hope whatever replaces them can't get gout! That doesn't belong in any galaxy or universe.
Floating brains, that's it :P Fly safe, Die hard |
dexington
Caldari Baconoration
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Posted - 2011.07.24 22:39:00 -
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Originally by: Melchiades Seti Maybe toes will be more finger-like. Imagine the possibilities.
would be fun if we evolved back into monkeys, that would just prove it was bad idea to leave the trees in the first place :)
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2011.07.24 22:42:00 -
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Originally by: dexington
Originally by: Melchiades Seti Maybe toes will be more finger-like. Imagine the possibilities.
would be fun if we evolved back into monkeys, that would just prove it was bad idea to leave the trees in the first place :)
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Tippia
Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.07.24 22:45:00 -
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Because otherwise you'd fall over. ùùù ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö ù ÇÇP |
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