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Yuzuki Ayako
Minmatar Sebiestor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.07.21 08:05:00 -
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Edited by: Yuzuki Ayako on 21/07/2011 08:06:32 I've been flying a drake for my exploring and wormholing for quite some time and are getting quite bored to be honest. I'm looking at upgrading but i'm not sure to what.
I would prefer minmatar ships because guns are nice (although perhaps not as good as missiles against sleepers) droneboats are a big no-no. I'm not a fan of the micromanaging involved in being a drone-master. Also, most of my tanking SP is in shield tanking so armor tanking is not a good option.
Money could be an issue. I do not have very much time to spend on eve, perhaps 5-10 hours a week. And my current money supply are about 150 mil, so to get a billion to buy and fit a T3 cruiser for example might take a while.
So far the two best options i've come up with are the Sleipnir or the Loki. Are they good wormhole ships with the right setup? Do you have alternatives?
Edit: I'm doing nomadic hi-sec and low-sec exploring and wormholing. A ship that could take on C3 holes solo would be nice. So far i'm restricted to C1s and C2s. --- What's so funny bout peace, love and understanding? |
Jak Silverheart
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.21 08:33:00 -
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If 150mil is all you have to work with avoid the sleipnir or loki, I can tell you the insurance payouts for T2 ships suck. The insurance payout for my nighthawk is something like 75mil and you pay 22mil for it or something along those lines. And keep in mind the ship costs around 210-220mil on the market right now.
And since your nomadic lifestyle brings you from hisec to low sec, avoid ships that hurt (isk and T3 SP lost) when you lose them, as more than likely you won't have good intel on the area and use to the locals. So the likely hood of losing your ship goes up. So your best bet probably be what your using or another T1 ship with insurance to lessen the hit of when you lose it. As for what ship to use, I can't tell you I don't do wormholes but hopefully someone else can steer you in the right direction for that.
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Nimrod Nemesis
Amarr Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2011.07.21 10:26:00 -
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How do you only have 150m?
Seriously, you can make that in a few hours in a c1 with terrible luck. You should stop pondering a ship upgrade and start asking yourself why you're so broke.
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Comy 1
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2011.07.21 10:47:00 -
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Edited by: Comy 1 on 21/07/2011 10:48:25 The natural progression would be the Tengu. Even if I understand that you might want to fly a Sleip/Loki, the Tengu really outperform them by miles.
The Tengu will have a better tank, it will not suffer by range, you can permanently stay aligned out to celestials and best of all YOU CAN OUTRANGE ALL NEUTS while still dealing full damage.
A decent Tengu (not really the fit I personally would use but one that will work to run solo with while not being expensive compared to the "best" setups) will cost about 700-800mil. If you don't care about the harder Mag/Radar sites you will probably end up below 700.
Now I understand that this might be more isk than you have available, but even with a fit like that and being inexperienced you should break 100mil/h quite easilly in a C3. Personally I'm looking at about 220-250mil/h EACH when I run together with a friend, but then we have optimized our setups with max skills of everything relevant and 5% hardwirings.
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Yuzuki Ayako
Minmatar Sebiestor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.07.21 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: Nimrod Nemesis How do you only have 150m?
Seriously, you can make that in a few hours in a c1 with terrible luck. You should stop pondering a ship upgrade and start asking yourself why you're so broke.
I had some bad luck, lost a few ships and then got tired of the game and stopped playing. Just started again a week ago or so and i want something new, not the thing i got tired of. Right now i've spent a couple of hours in a C1 wormhole and have about 80mil worth of loot in my cargo so the money are flowing in slowly but surely.
Originally by: Comy 1 Edited by: Comy 1 on 21/07/2011 10:48:25 The natural progression would be the Tengu. Even if I understand that you might want to fly a Sleip/Loki, the Tengu really outperform them by miles.
The thing is, i'm tired of the Drake and isn't a Tengu just a Drake on steroids? Just sitting there and popping sleepers with missiles from far away is not very entertaining to me. I would gladly trade some isk/hour for some fun, otherwise i might as well go into mining. --- What's so funny bout peace, love and understanding? |
Jean Luc Bathana
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Posted - 2011.07.21 17:02:00 -
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I don't mean to hijack, but recently I have been toying with the idea of WH Exploration myself... even though I cannot YET afford a T3 Cruiser, I am training and saving for the inevitable purchase. I love the idea of a Tengu, but like you, am kinda bored with Drakes. I was considering a Legion instead. I heard some good things about this ship.
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mxzf
Minmatar Shovel Bros
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Posted - 2011.07.21 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: Yuzuki Ayako The thing is, i'm tired of the Drake and isn't a Tengu just a Drake on steroids? Just sitting there and popping sleepers with missiles from far away is not very entertaining to me. I would gladly trade some isk/hour for some fun, otherwise i might as well go into mining.
The Tengu is the natural progression from the Drake, and it's pretty much the Drake's harder-hitting, stronger-tanking, faster big brother, but they don't fly exactly the same. They both are Cruiser-ish size, shoot HMLs, and shield tank, but they aren't the exact same thing.
The Drake is typically a passive-tank brick, you just sit there and lob missiles. The Tengu is usually speed fit and uses active tanking (I've found a pair of Gistii B-Type small shield boosters is perfect for it).
There's nothing at all wrong with deciding you'd rather use a different ship, but just understand that whenever you ask "What's the best", it'll be the Tengu (for that specific activity atleast). I just wish a standard Tengu fit could field a flight of drones, that's the one thing that bothers me about it.
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Comy 1
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2011.07.21 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: Yuzuki Ayako The thing is, i'm tired of the Drake and isn't a Tengu just a Drake on steroids? Just sitting there and popping sleepers with missiles from far away is not very entertaining to me. I would gladly trade some isk/hour for some fun, otherwise i might as well go into mining.
Sorry.
For anything but doing wormholes solo (even if the turret ships might work just fine in a C1/2) you will face inconveniences. The turret ships will constantly have to play cat and mouse with the sleepers that pull range on you, in some situations you will have 2 battleships shooting you while you get 6 webs in your face. To make things worse you will suffer from cap loss far greater than a Tengu since you WILL need to run your afterburner.
If you REALLY don't want to run a Tengu I guess you can go for a Minmatar ship but be prepared to face problems in a C3. In my book just grinding isk is never fun, and I rather be a bit bored than mad about having to warp out due to a mix of webs/neuts/cap. The tengu really is overpowered with it's tank, range and dps combination.
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Nunchuck Norris
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Posted - 2011.07.21 17:22:00 -
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Edited by: Nunchuck Norris on 21/07/2011 17:23:03 the obvious upgrade would be nighthawk , hull is a bit over 200m , and you don`t need faction stuff on it .
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Yuzuki Ayako
Minmatar Sebiestor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.07.21 18:41:00 -
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Thanks for the input mxzf and Comy 1. I will look into the tengu and perhaps continue on the missile route. --- What's so funny bout peace, love and understanding? |
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bartos100
DARK ADAMA Skunk Works.
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Posted - 2011.07.21 19:56:00 -
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if you are looking for a challenge use a maller for C1 i did it a while it's not easy but it's a lot of fun :D
if you want less chance to get blown up get a harby works as well
lasers are really useful for WH as they don't take much cargohold :)
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Yuzuki Ayako
Minmatar Sebiestor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.07.21 20:42:00 -
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Are lasers really that effective? Many sleepers suck the juice out of your ship. How are you going to fuel your lasers? --- What's so funny bout peace, love and understanding? |
Quinn Diaz
DON'T DO IT DAD
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Posted - 2011.07.21 20:54:00 -
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Originally by: Yuzuki Ayako Are lasers really that effective? Many sleepers suck the juice out of your ship. How are you going to fuel your lasers?
Listening to advices from a guy that run C1 in a Maller is like asking a local drug addict about which drug you should buy to cure a dissease. Just because he use drugs doesn't mean he knows jack all about medical drugs.
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Nimrod Nemesis
Amarr Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2011.07.21 23:01:00 -
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Originally by: Yuzuki Ayako
Originally by: Nimrod Nemesis How do you only have 150m?
Seriously, you can make that in a few hours in a c1 with terrible luck. You should stop pondering a ship upgrade and start asking yourself why you're so broke.
I had some bad luck, lost a few ships and then got tired of the game and stopped playing. Just started again a week ago or so and i want something new, not the thing i got tired of. Right now i've spent a couple of hours in a C1 wormhole and have about 80mil worth of loot in my cargo so the money are flowing in slowly but surely.
Originally by: Comy 1 Edited by: Comy 1 on 21/07/2011 10:48:25 The natural progression would be the Tengu. Even if I understand that you might want to fly a Sleip/Loki, the Tengu really outperform them by miles.
The thing is, i'm tired of the Drake and isn't a Tengu just a Drake on steroids? Just sitting there and popping sleepers with missiles from far away is not very entertaining to me. I would gladly trade some isk/hour for some fun, otherwise i might as well go into mining.
The thing is, you'll be flying the tengu for years on end. Get used to it. Have other ships to fly for luls or whatever, but understand that what you are "tired of," doesn't matter if you intend to live in w-space without a ton of support.
Honestly you're not going to last another month. From the sound of your replies here you don't have the patience for w-space. Try out FW or something else where you can fly whatever you want and be poor as ****. When you rage quit from that, you don't loose nearly as much as leaving a fueled up POS in wh. Leaving you more to return to when you invariably get "bored," with your next ship in a few weeks.
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bartos100
DARK ADAMA Skunk Works.
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Posted - 2011.07.22 12:42:00 -
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in a C1 the neuting is not that bad and if you fit to be stable at loke 60-70% you should be fine
and i never said that it was going fast with my maller :)
but it worked but it's a lot harder then warping in a drake and spam some missiles at the sleepers form 100K away
so not only sp counts but real pilot skills as well
and i never ran out of ammo (t1 laser crystals FTW)
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Raydun Vac
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Posted - 2011.08.08 18:09:00 -
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After drake... Nighthawk: T2 resists, slightly more damage, cheaper than Tengu Onyx: fantastic tank, your corpmates will love you when helping to gank unsuspecting prey. Tengu: tank and spank. Decent dps with covops fit too (440dps w/HML, 30+km point, speed tank with ab) |
Korb'A
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Posted - 2011.08.09 08:01:00 -
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Hi There.
I cannot say about other ships but you can solo a C2, at least checkpoints and hangars in a T3. I have a Legion with this fit:
[Legion, [DS] bla] Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Medium Armor Repairer II Imperial Navy Armor Thermic Hardener Imperial Navy Armor EM Hardener
10MN Afterburner II Stasis Webifier II Large Capacitor Battery II
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Expanded Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I
Medium Nanobot Accelerator I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Legion Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector Legion Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Cap stable at 40%.
Total costs, around 800 mil.
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Hastrin
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Posted - 2011.08.09 11:53:00 -
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Originally by: Yuzuki Ayako Edited by: Yuzuki Ayako on 21/07/2011 08:06:32
Edit: I'm doing nomadic hi-sec and low-sec exploring and wormholing. A ship that could take on C3 holes solo would be nice. So far i'm restricted to C1s and C2s.
how about a drake? it can solo C3 anoms. radar and mag are a problem.
since you want to solo, you need missiles. The range on them makes you ignore the fact that sleepers web a lot and keep you out of range. Yes, you can do it with a sleipnir or loki, its just not as efficient as a tengu or nighthawk. Since you are poor, get a nighthawk. Tengu's are a lot more expensive, especially when loosing them. And a tengu solo in c1-3 is just waiting to die sooner or later. A nighthawk as well, but itll hurt less.
As for fun, yes, use a maller to run C1's. its good fun, pretty hard and doesnt make any isk. but then, most things in eve that are lotsa fun dont make isk. they usually just cost isk. its like real life really
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Caleidascope
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.08.09 15:50:00 -
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Originally by: Korb'A Hi There.
I cannot say about other ships but you can solo a C2, at least checkpoints and hangars in a T3. I have a Legion with this fit:
[Legion, [DS] bla] Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Medium Armor Repairer II Imperial Navy Armor Thermic Hardener Imperial Navy Armor EM Hardener
10MN Afterburner II Stasis Webifier II Large Capacitor Battery II
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Expanded Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I
Medium Nanobot Accelerator I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Legion Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector Legion Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Cap stable at 40%.
Total costs, around 800 mil.
The way I make isk in wh is to collect melted nanoribbons. To get the ribbons, you have to kill the sleepers and than salvage them. The fit above does not have salvager... It is either failfit or part of a fleet.
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xenodia
Gallente DYNAMIC INTERVENTION ORPHANS OF EVE
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Posted - 2011.08.10 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: Yuzuki Ayako Money could be an issue. I do not have very much time to spend on eve, perhaps 5-10 hours a week. And my current money supply are about 150 mil, so to get a billion to buy and fit a T3 cruiser for example might take a while.
So far the two best options i've come up with are the Sleipnir or the Loki. Are they good wormhole ships with the right setup? Do you have alternatives?
the bolded portions are kind of mutually exclusive, seeing as how a loki is a t3.
Also, 150 mil wont even buy you the hull of a Sleip or loki, let alone the fittings. If thats all the money you have to work with, then im afraid your most effective option is going to be the drake you already have.
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xenodia
Gallente DYNAMIC INTERVENTION ORPHANS OF EVE
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Posted - 2011.08.10 14:48:00 -
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Originally by: Korb'A Hi There.
I cannot say about other ships but you can solo a C2, at least checkpoints and hangars in a T3. I have a Legion with this fit:
Um... you can solo any site in a c2 with a drake, for like 10% of the cost of your legion fit. With a T3, you can solo C3s easily enough if fitted right. C4s youre going to need a partner or 2 at least if you want to be productive. This signature space for rent |
Arazel Chainfire
The Awakened Armada Apex United
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Posted - 2011.08.10 16:40:00 -
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To answer the original question, a drake is the cheapest that you can go and still run c2/c3 sites. Tengu and nighthawk also work as well. But, if you are tired of missiles, and don't want to go drones, the hurricane can manage c2 sites (but not C3... least not any fit I've found), the slepnir can manage c2 easily, c3 if you pimp it a little, and of course the loki works great as well. If you wanted to train up armor tanking though, the legion and the absolution both also work pretty good.
However, the biggest problem that you are going to have is that if you are flying solo (i mean truly solo, no alts) is that it is going to be dreadfully slow trying to do everything with 1 ship, as you need tank, dps, a probe launcher, and a salvager. If you are flying with an alt or a buddy though, you can have 1 dedicated killing ship and 1 dedicated prober/salvager... which would probably double your isk/hour right there, as well as make you alot safer if you can fit a cloak on both ships. Note, I said a cloak, not a covops cloak - its mostly to cloak up while scanning or sitting in a safespot.
-Arazel
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.08.10 17:11:00 -
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Soloing a class 3 in any ship sucks balls since the nerf. Yes you can do it. Yes it is miserably slow.
That's the bottom line in all honesty. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
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Korb'A
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Posted - 2011.08.11 07:04:00 -
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Originally by: Caleidascope
Originally by: Korb'A Hi There.
I cannot say about other ships but you can solo a C2, at least checkpoints and hangars in a T3. I have a Legion with this fit:
[Legion, [DS] bla] Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Medium Armor Repairer II Imperial Navy Armor Thermic Hardener Imperial Navy Armor EM Hardener
10MN Afterburner II Stasis Webifier II Large Capacitor Battery II
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Expanded Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I
Medium Nanobot Accelerator I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Legion Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector Legion Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Cap stable at 40%.
Total costs, around 800 mil.
The way I make isk in wh is to collect melted nanoribbons. To get the ribbons, you have to kill the sleepers and than salvage them. The fit above does not have salvager... It is either failfit or part of a fleet.
yes, you are right, it is part of a fleet, we stay in that wh. I have posted this fit but ofcourse, you can do c2 in a BC without any problem. If you change the medium armor repairer on the legion fit with a A-type you can do solo C3 also.
But, you are right, this is perhaps over expensive, still, he wanted to know what else beside drake he could use.
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