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StarGlider7
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.07.16 21:33:00 -
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Edited by: StarGlider7 on 16/07/2011 21:35:33 Feck me...another crash...another load of rage incoming...
This has been going on for some weeks now...seriously CCP, are you THAT incompetent???
Now i'm a patient guy...but you are taking the ****!
Incarna Sucks.... I do NOT want to fund your ****ty WOD or Dust...The latest patch is frankly an embarassment.
FIX the bloody game that I and many others fund!
The silent MAJORITY who have so far been quiet and patient...are starting to get fed up with this bollox.
Else prepare to lose more revenue.
(Posted with main out of frustration)
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Chomondeley
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Posted - 2011.07.16 21:37:00 -
[2]
+1
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Extraho Rector
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Posted - 2011.07.16 21:38:00 -
[3]
+1
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Beltze Sorgin
Minmatar L V B Industries
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Posted - 2011.07.16 21:38:00 -
[4]
You got my vote +1 "All the strangers on trains look like they're going away again, on holiday (why didn't I?)."
Tales of EVE Terror - http://beltzesorgin.blog.com/ |
My Postman
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Posted - 2011.07.16 21:41:00 -
[5]
Anyway, getting frustrated of multiple extendend Dt, crashes as well. Maybe pause my sub for a month or two. .
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Cpt Arareb
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.07.16 21:42:00 -
[6]
+1 BOTS ARE RUINING THIS GAME |
Jonathan Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.16 21:43:00 -
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It's actually cunningly brilliant. Fail on as many different levels as possible at the same time so that your customers are all complaining about different things and then claim that because your customers can't agree what the problem is that you won't be able to fix it.
Well played, CCP. Well played.
"I represent those who voted for me, not 'everyone'. Don't give me your entitled voter schtick ..." ~CSM Chair Mittens |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Gallente Bison Industrial Inc
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Posted - 2011.07.16 21:44:00 -
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Yup
Unreasonable and incompetent.
On the busiest days too.
They must want to kill the game I guess.
SMOKE and MIRRORS was the CCP/CSM Summit.
Nothing's been done.
A cancelled patch.
Lousier service.
UNBELIEVABLE <facepalm>
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"God is nothing but the power of the Universe, as a whole, to organize itself." - Lee Smolin Three Roads to Quantum Gravity |
Pei Huang
Gallente Engaged In Frivolous Revolution
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Posted - 2011.07.16 21:45:00 -
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Quote: This has been going on for some weeks now...seriously CCP, are you THAT incompetent???
seriously talking to CCP like its an person don't help
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johnson fargo
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Posted - 2011.07.16 21:45:00 -
[10]
+1
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Razzzic
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Posted - 2011.07.16 21:46:00 -
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On a serious note I purchased the game 3 weeks ago and it crashes at least once a day it seems, (that's not including the reboot, specially lately) previous to that I think its crashed about 5 times in the 3 weeks before the last few days which its crashed about twice a day , hope CCP are giving a refund for this month cause this is total bull****.
+1
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Shemmy
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.07.16 21:47:00 -
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Originally by: Jonathan Ferguson It's actually cunningly brilliant. Fail on as many different levels as possible at the same time so that your customers are all complaining about different things and then claim that because your customers can't agree what the problem is that you won't be able to fix it.
Well played, CCP. Well played.
This, pretty much. There are so many things to be unimpressed about recently, most of us really don't know where to start. CCP gave people focus with the MT rage, but laying that to rest has kind of beaten back the flames, rather than fully extinguishing them.
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Dr Prometheus
Caldari Gears of Construction
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Posted - 2011.07.16 21:49:00 -
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CCP, just make a news item, and tell exact whats happening and where the problem is. I dont care if it takes 24 hours to fix the thing, as long as it will be stable again. I rather have a 24 DT to fix the beast then it goes up and down like a an Gallentean Hooker on Quaffe having sex with 6 people. - Dude where is my Charon? - |
Cym0ril Melnibone
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Posted - 2011.07.16 22:06:00 -
[14]
+1
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StarGlider7
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.07.16 22:17:00 -
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Edited by: StarGlider7 on 16/07/2011 22:18:54 Never mind your "Eve is real" content, because at the moment, most folk are stating that "Eve is real ****"
CCP = Care in the Community Peeps
CSM = Carefully Supply Monacles
DUST = Distraught Users Supply Tears
WoD = Waste of Developers
INCARNA = woeful patch, utter garbage, fix your game, CPU, Lag, Caps, Mittens Sucks,FW, Low sec, Null sec, Wormholes, MT, Nex, T3, T20!
(Dyslexia FTW!)
Time To wake up CCP and listen to that silent MAJORITY!
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isk4trade
Caldari Cogitation Mining and Industrial Trading
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Posted - 2011.07.16 22:19:00 -
[16]
hee hee
I present the future !!! ________________________________________________
I neither have nor will ever sell or buy ISK for real world money. My name merely implies that I TRADE (NOT SELL) ISK for goods and services. |
Chris Fierce
Caldari NoD Imperium
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Posted - 2011.07.16 22:20:00 -
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If i was a new subscriber id be asking myself "why did i bother to join this anus dribble of a game"
There is only so long that one can hang on and hope that the game will be like it was a few years ago. However, my optimism is waning pretty fast. ---------------------------
I gashmoygadied her gaflavity with my googus. |
Sarah Scarlett Mackenzie
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Posted - 2011.07.16 22:21:00 -
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And it goes down again.
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Aralissia
Amarr Lollyp0ps
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Posted - 2011.07.16 22:21:00 -
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I have the impression that the database was a lot more stable before the introduction of AUR.
Can someone at CCP please roll-back to pre-AUR state?
(I promise I won't even complain about the loss of SP's if you do roll back to pre-AUR)
all yarr pops are belong to us |
StarGlider7
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.07.16 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: Aralissia
(I promise I won't even complain about the loss of SP's if you do roll back to pre-AUR)
I think thats acceptable tbh!
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Jonathan Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.16 22:26:00 -
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I think we all need to take a deep breath and reflect on Hilmar's words of wisdom:
"First of we have Incarna, an amazing technological and artistic achievement. A vision from years ago realized to a point that no one could have imaged but a few months ago. It rolls out without a hitch, is in some cases faster than what we had before, this is the pinnacle of professional achievement. For all the noise in the channel we should all stand proud, years from now this is what people will remember.
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After 40 hours we have already sold 52 monocles, generating more revenue than any of the other items in the store.
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Currently we are seeing _very predictable feedback_ on what we are doing. Having the perspective of having done this for a decade, I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say. Innovation takes time to set in and the predictable reaction is always to resist change."
"I represent those who voted for me, not 'everyone'. Don't give me your entitled voter schtick ..." ~CSM Chair Mittens |
Kerrisone
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Posted - 2011.07.16 22:27:00 -
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CCP plan of cascading failures is best plant to get rid of everyone that's fed up with their crap, from MT, to leaked documents, to no content Incarna, to increased system req for naught, to press interviews that still show CCP don't give a damn, to unscheduled offworld activation of the Tuxford button, etc.
Originally by: Ghoest Ill watch what you do not what you say.
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Orlacc
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Posted - 2011.07.16 22:28:00 -
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....and maybe be a bit more clear on why the crashes are occurring. Maybe someone out here may have a solution or suggestion.
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Zidious
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.16 22:30:00 -
[24]
+1
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Koba Kyogen
The Concordiat Concordiat Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.16 22:31:00 -
[25]
+1
Originally by: CCP Sharkbait we are screwed. delaying startup again.[ |
Daniel Avenger
Caldari THE IRIS Pandorum Invictus
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Posted - 2011.07.16 22:32:00 -
[26]
+1
Its probably the new database server they're using....
Whats wrong with the old one?
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Inipinipocoloco
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Posted - 2011.07.16 22:33:00 -
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+1
ccp u want eve to die and go jobless ? then go on you are close to achieve it
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HellGate fr
Yarrbear Inc.
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Posted - 2011.07.16 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: StarGlider7
Originally by: Aralissia
(I promise I won't even complain about the loss of SP's if you do roll back to pre-AUR)
I think thats acceptable tbh!
This yes
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Bl0W M3
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Posted - 2011.07.16 22:34:00 -
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its only a minor ppl, calm down.. smoke a J and be happy, its coming back
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deshan
Gallente EntroPrelatial Vanguard EntroPraetorian Aegis
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Posted - 2011.07.16 22:34:00 -
[30]
+1
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Don Solette
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Posted - 2011.07.16 22:34:00 -
[31]
unexplained downtime is BS and is unacceptable
+1
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Haischumein Crendraven
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Posted - 2011.07.16 22:34:00 -
[32]
+1 to Original Poster.
CCP -- Please, if you want to implement Micro-purchases, make it reasonable.
Additionally, please make the game work CONSISTENTLY. You already have a system implemented whereby you take down the game for an hour a day (at least), and while I consider that perfectly reasonable and intelligent -- this is getting insane.
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Enik3
The Forsaken.
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Posted - 2011.07.16 22:35:00 -
[33]
Hey it's only the 30th or so crash in the past couple of weeks!
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Bl0W M3
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Posted - 2011.07.16 22:36:00 -
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Originally by: Enik3 Hey it's only the 30th or so crash in the past couple of weeks!
see... thats the spirit
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Sijfon
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Posted - 2011.07.16 22:37:00 -
[35]
+ fkin 1 .. crashes since incarna, now this mail issue, I want some reimbursement for this
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Korsai
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Posted - 2011.07.16 22:40:00 -
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+1
I for one have said virtually nothing. I'm getting very upset. This is something you'd expect on launch days, not a game that's been out for years. Very amateur, very careless.
If this continues I will not reup for another year.
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Dilaro thagriin
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Posted - 2011.07.16 22:43:00 -
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SIGH.. another day, another intolerant rant.
guys, seriously, it is not like CCP hate the game. far from it, they love the game as much as us, and from the look of a lot of threads like this, a lot more than some of us.
these issues are obviously unforseen. it happens, especially with online games.
nothing can be tested fully before release, people on a live server will always do wierd things that those testing it never thought of. even the player testers.
in this case, something that wasn't fully utilised by the test community is obviously causing DB issues, and CCP are doing their best to fix it.
if you have such an issue, and have not already done so, go onto SiSi during the mass tests, and at other times and help them test these things.
simply put 50,000 people can and will do a lot more (different) things, than 500.
- Dilaro.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Gallente Bison Industrial Inc
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Posted - 2011.07.16 22:45:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Dilaro thagriin SIGH.. another day, another intolerant rant.
guys, seriously, it is not like CCP hate the game. far from it, they love the game as much as us, and from the look of a lot of threads like this, a lot more than some of us.
these issues are obviously unforseen. it happens, especially with online games......................................................................
- Dilaro.
You missed the point: THE GAME IS UNPLAYABLE ! **************************
"God is nothing but the power of the Universe, as a whole, to organize itself." - Lee Smolin Three Roads to Quantum Gravity |
Roggle
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Posted - 2011.07.16 22:45:00 -
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Like many of the other posters in this thread, I have not been amongst the most vocal since Incarna. I have sat and watched and hoped that you'd somehow get things fixed, CCP.
But here's the thing. In the REAL world... people who delivered a service like this would be fired. They'd lose their jobs. I am, like many others, sick of the service going up and down and everything that was good about Eve being sacrificed on the altar of Incarna. Who the hell cares about AUR and CQ in any case?
Please, please, PLEASE get this fixed. It's ridiculous.
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Taharqua10
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Posted - 2011.07.16 22:48:00 -
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Originally by: Dilaro thagriin SIGH.. another day, another intolerant rant.
guys, seriously, it is not like CCP hate the game. far from it, they love the game as much as us, and from the look of a lot of threads like this, a lot more than some of us.
these issues are obviously unforseen. it happens, especially with online games.
nothing can be tested fully before release, people on a live server will always do wierd things that those testing it never thought of. even the player testers.
in this case, something that wasn't fully utilised by the test community is obviously causing DB issues, and CCP are doing their best to fix it.
if you have such an issue, and have not already done so, go onto SiSi during the mass tests, and at other times and help them test these things.
simply put 50,000 people can and will do a lot more (different) things, than 500.
- Dilaro.
I went on SISI- that's an even bigger heap of sh$* than the live server. Half of the modules never worked or were visible on fitted ships & you needed a carrier in game to refit the ship to get the modules visible or working. This is totally unacceptable cr%p & we are spoon fed this garbage on a day to day basis. Just wakeup & stop brown nosing this heap of embarrassing incompetence.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Gallente Bison Industrial Inc
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Posted - 2011.07.16 22:51:00 -
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Originally by: Taharqua10 I went on SISI- that's an even bigger heap of sh$* than the live server. Half of the modules never worked or were visible on fitted ships & you needed a carrier in game to refit the ship to get the modules visible or working. This is totally unacceptable cr%p & we are spoon fed this garbage on a day to day basis. Just wakeup & stop brown nosing this heap of embarrassing incompetence.
SAME HERE. Just an unreal joke. ATM the Holo-Menu's don't work, etc. and they WERE working. It IS a JOKE.
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"God is nothing but the power of the Universe, as a whole, to organize itself." - Lee Smolin Three Roads to Quantum Gravity |
Enkill Eridos
Draconian Enforcers Available To Hire
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Posted - 2011.07.16 22:52:00 -
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-1 They are working on fixing these problems, it's not like the server states where in the code there is a problem. For those of you that do not know anything about programming quick course. You write code, then compile it when it is compiled into an .exe all that code is in machine code. The client code is usually less complex than the server code. in short When the server program has an error the error cannot do anything more than tell them the general part of the code that has a bug. But that part could have multiple dependencies so changing one thing means they have to make sure they must change a lot of those dependencies. Even then fixing the bug could also cause more bugs. It would be one thing if someone had a web cam in the ccp office and everyone was calmly picking their nose like they were bored. But I doubt that is happening right now, probably right now project managers are whipping those poor programmers getting them to work faster because of the loud minority that are *****ing that they have to take the server down to fix it. This is all a process, and it almost is never a short process..so relax..pack a bowl, drink a beer, or go play Duke Nukem Forever for a couple of hours. Remember everytime you complain another programmer gets beaten with a cat o' nine tails. Which suprisingly makes things worse.
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Thargan Thegol
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.07.16 22:53:00 -
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+1
Wow ccp, it seems you don't make yourself friends like this.
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Narathena
Minmatar Eir's Industy
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Posted - 2011.07.16 22:57:00 -
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+1
CCP
Take down server,
Fix and explain this,
Bring up server.
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Taharqua10
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Posted - 2011.07.16 23:00:00 -
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Originally by: Enkill Eridos -1 They are working on fixing these problems, it's not like the server states where in the code there is a problem. For those of you that do not know anything about programming quick course. You write code, then compile it when it is compiled into an .exe all that code is in machine code. The client code is usually less complex than the server code. in short When the server program has an error the error cannot do anything more than tell them the general part of the code that has a bug. But that part could have multiple dependencies so changing one thing means they have to make sure they must change a lot of those dependencies. Even then fixing the bug could also cause more bugs. It would be one thing if someone had a web cam in the ccp office and everyone was calmly picking their nose like they were bored. But I doubt that is happening right now, probably right now project managers are whipping those poor programmers getting them to work faster because of the loud minority that are *****ing that they have to take the server down to fix it. This is all a process, and it almost is never a short process..so relax..pack a bowl, drink a beer, or go play Duke Nukem Forever for a couple of hours. Remember everytime you complain another programmer gets beaten with a cat o' nine tails. Which suprisingly makes things worse.
I don't doubt any of this. I'm not a programmer but I work in the IT Support industry. What I do know is that you need well written code which is documented.
I have great doubts whether the fundamentals for this are in place & have often wondered if anybody who knew anything about the original code has now left the building and thus nearly every update is doomed to failure.
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Enkill Eridos
Draconian Enforcers Available To Hire
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Posted - 2011.07.16 23:02:00 -
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Originally by: Roggle Like many of the other posters in this thread, I have not been amongst the most vocal since Incarna. I have sat and watched and hoped that you'd somehow get things fixed, CCP.
But here's the thing. In the REAL world... people who delivered a service like this would be fired. They'd lose their jobs. I am, like many others, sick of the service going up and down and everything that was good about Eve being sacrificed on the altar of Incarna. Who the hell cares about AUR and CQ in any case?
Please, please, PLEASE get this fixed. It's ridiculous.
Roggle..in the real world of network administration programming if something like this happened no one would get fired. In the real world programmers would be told to fix it, and keep fixing it. Because this happens when in all aspects of programming, and programming an app or server software is a service based industry. One that causes many people to work at all hours when a problem comes up, and problems come up with computer programs more than you think. It's not because the programmers are incompetent, this is something that happens more than you think in the real world. Especially when it comes to computer software and hardware. With computers Murphy's Law is constantly in effect and nothing ever goes right.
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Haruki Tekitsu
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Posted - 2011.07.16 23:03:00 -
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Originally by: Narathena +1
CCP
Take down server,
Fix and explain this,
Bring up server.
+1 Then give us some refund or a sweetener
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Kandreath
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Posted - 2011.07.16 23:09:00 -
[48]
-1
Seriously...I'm really sick and tired of hearing players have a big old baby cry about this stuff and pretend that CCP aren't trying to fix this stuff.
I am confident the managers are whipping the programmers with a riding crop to fix this.
I do find the current instability annoying and I too register my annoyance at loosing some playing time.
..however guess what...If you'd stop to think about it for a second you should realise it's fricking Saturday there. They have people working the the *weekend* to try and fix up whatever is wrong! -(at least the latest emergency reboot).
Second, quality is a thankless job. If you get 99,999 things right, no one will say a thing about it. What they will whine and complain about is the 1 item that slipped through the nets.
- If you are *not* a professional programmer in RL then my opinion is that you really don't know what your talking about. Simply register your annoyance at the service which is down. - Don't go on a Whine-athon and pretend you could do better.
- If you are a professional programmer then think about glass houses...ok.
- Third have you noticed the lack of news and dev blogs lately? Sure this is annoying and I'd like to know more about what is vexing the system, however I'd rather they were fixing the problems with all available resources rather than blogging about what's wrong. - I look forward to the dev blog which explains it after it's fixed.
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Tom Gerard
Caldari Deadspace Depot
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Posted - 2011.07.16 23:12:00 -
[49]
+1
CCP, I love EVE but you are pulling a Casey Anthony.
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Hiroshi Nagasaki
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Posted - 2011.07.16 23:12:00 -
[50]
-1
WTB new community
yes there are crashes.... and u can flame/spam so long you want... this won't force CCP to work faster on the problems.. they are trying to fix the crashes and they will do it...
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Roggle
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Posted - 2011.07.16 23:20:00 -
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Enkill and others.... I'm sorry guys.... I'm not a programmer by trade, but I am a manager of development teams because I'm a director of IT. So please don't tell me that I don't know what I'm talking about. Small bugs in code I can live with... but these are serious outages. In the real world, providers of Software as a Service products would offer an SLA - and outages of this severity and duration would undoubtedly be in breach of them.
I'm going to shut up now because I happen to agree that rants don't generally help. But it's important that people at CCP do understand that this is not an acceptable piece of software development. Eve was good... now it's not.
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Korsai
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Posted - 2011.07.16 23:22:00 -
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Originally by: Hiroshi Nagasaki -1
WTB new community
yes there are crashes.... and u can flame/spam so long you want... this won't force CCP to work faster on the problems.. they are trying to fix the crashes and they will do it...
Used to feel like you did. I wish I had your faith still. Bugs are inevitable. I can at least agree with that.
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Shemmy
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.07.16 23:30:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Hiroshi Nagasaki -1
WTB new community
yes there are crashes.... and u can flame/spam so long you want... this won't force CCP to work faster on the problems.. they are trying to fix the crashes and they will do it...
Oh, no doubt. But you have to admit that 4 crashes in 48 hours is a bit ****, really, isn't it?
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Lyrrashae
Minmatar Crushed Ambitions
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Posted - 2011.07.16 23:38:00 -
[54]
+1
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Cunane Jeran
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.07.16 23:38:00 -
[55]
-1 find me another single shard game, with a ton of linked up servers that doesn't crash, or hell show me a server that doesn't **** itself now and again
Technology isn't perfect.
Stop whining there is more to do than just eve.
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Capt Sly
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Posted - 2011.07.16 23:41:00 -
[56]
+1 to OP
and
+1 to Rollback
Screw Incarna.
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Lyrrashae
Minmatar Crushed Ambitions
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Posted - 2011.07.16 23:47:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Aralissia I have the impression that the database was a lot more stable before the introduction of AUR.
Can someone at CCP please roll-back to pre-AUR state?
(I promise I won't even complain about the loss of SP's if you do roll back to pre-AUR)
I'd make sadface over the lost days in training CovOps 5 (gotta get that SB torp-alpha ) and more recently, Cynosaural Field Theory 5, but it'd be worth it in the long run, and thus quite a reasonable trade-off.
+1
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Dante Marcellus
Minmatar Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
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Posted - 2011.07.16 23:48:00 -
[58]
Your god is a fallacy.
/thread. And if you're reading this, you've fallen into a signature trap. You owe me 1m ISK. |
xxxTRUSTxxx
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Posted - 2011.07.16 23:50:00 -
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whine whine whine, **** happens, now go play with ya balls for an hour or 2 ffs. crying like a bunch of 4 year olds for an icecream doesn't help. a pain in the arse that we've had more crashes then normal yea, but the end of the virtual universe,, NOOOOOOOOOOOOO ! chill out ffs.
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Deryk Kyeld
Veteran Defense Initiative
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Posted - 2011.07.16 23:53:00 -
[60]
Originally by: EVE EULA NO WARRANTIES The Software, System, Game and all Game Content, and all other services and material provided in connection therewith, are provided "AS IS," with all faults, and without warranty of any kind. You assume all risk of use and all risk associated with accessing the System and playing the Game. CCP disclaims all warranties, whether express or implied, including without limitation the warranties of merchantability, fitness for particular purpose and non-infringement. There is no warranty against interference with your enjoyment of the Game. CCP does not warrant that the operation of the System or your access to the System, or that your use of the Software, will be uninterrupted or error-free, nor that the System or Software will be compatible with your hardware and software. While CCP attempts to have the System available at most times, CCP does not guarantee that the System will always be available, or that the System will not become unavailable during Game play. The System may become unavailable for a number of reasons, including without limitation during the performance of maintenance to the System, for the implementation of new software, for emergency situations and due to equipment or telecommunications failures.
TL:DR quit your *****in'
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P42ALPHA
Gallente nul-li-fy Usurper.
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Posted - 2011.07.16 23:58:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Kandreath -1
Seriously...I'm really sick and tired of hearing players have a big old baby cry about this stuff and pretend that CCP aren't trying to fix this stuff.
I am confident the managers are whipping the programmers with a riding crop to fix this.
I do find the current instability annoying and I too register my annoyance at loosing some playing time.
..however guess what...If you'd stop to think about it for a second you should realise it's fricking Saturday there. They have people working the the *weekend* to try and fix up whatever is wrong! -(at least the latest emergency reboot).
Second, quality is a thankless job. If you get 99,999 things right, no one will say a thing about it. What they will whine and complain about is the 1 item that slipped through the nets.
- If you are *not* a professional programmer in RL then my opinion is that you really don't know what your talking about. Simply register your annoyance at the service which is down. - Don't go on a Whine-athon and pretend you could do better.
- If you are a professional programmer then think about glass houses...ok.
- Third have you noticed the lack of news and dev blogs lately? Sure this is annoying and I'd like to know more about what is vexing the system, however I'd rather they were fixing the problems with all available resources rather than blogging about what's wrong. - I look forward to the dev blog which explains it after it's fixed.
Dev alt alert.
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tika te
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Posted - 2011.07.17 00:04:00 -
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i only have one question regarding eve atm.
@CCP: how many of your approx. 500 employes are actually working on EVE atm and how many on dust/wod??
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Drillmaster Rho
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Posted - 2011.07.17 00:16:00 -
[63]
CCP continues to reap the consequences of the greed and customer disrespect it has been sowing. |
OHU812
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Posted - 2011.07.17 00:18:00 -
[64]
Edited by: OHU812 on 17/07/2011 00:28:34
Originally by: P42ALPHA
Originally by: Kandreath -1
Seriously...I'm really sick and tired of hearing players have a big old baby cry about this stuff and pretend that CCP aren't trying to fix this stuff.
I am confident the managers are whipping the programmers with a riding crop to fix this.
I do find the current instability annoying and I too register my annoyance at loosing some playing time.
..however guess what...If you'd stop to think about it for a second you should realise it's fricking Saturday there. They have people working the the *weekend* to try and fix up whatever is wrong! -(at least the latest emergency reboot).
Second, quality is a thankless job. If you get 99,999 things right, no one will say a thing about it. What they will whine and complain about is the 1 item that slipped through the nets.
- If you are *not* a professional programmer in RL then my opinion is that you really don't know what your talking about. Simply register your annoyance at the service which is down. - Don't go on a Whine-athon and pretend you could do better.
- If you are a professional programmer then think about glass houses...ok.
- Third have you noticed the lack of news and dev blogs lately? Sure this is annoying and I'd like to know more about what is vexing the system, however I'd rather they were fixing the problems with all available resources rather than blogging about what's wrong. - I look forward to the dev blog which explains it after it's fixed.
Dev alt alert.
If ccp would get 60% of their content right the rage might not be as bad.
Because I'm not a programmer means I'm not able to make observations as to WHY CCP can't keep their game running? Surely I must have a right to say something about the service or lack there of.
With all available resources? I doubt CCP has used ALL available resources in anything in relation with EVE in over 3 years. They've been too busy working other projects.
Honestly though, I appreciate the cool story!
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Red Maiden
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2011.07.17 00:22:00 -
[65]
lol, what a bunch of raging crybabies. I love the forum tears, such great entertainment.
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Zarus Alexander
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Posted - 2011.07.17 00:57:00 -
[66]
Biomass yourself.
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Trig Onami
Caldari Onami Corporation
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Posted - 2011.07.17 01:33:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Drillmaster Rho CCP continues to reap the consequences of the greed and customer disrespect it has been sowing.
+1 EVE. The most ambitious project on earth. |
Lu'Marat
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Posted - 2011.07.17 02:12:00 -
[68]
Alright, let me go back and rephrase what I meant to write so I'm not just yelling at you.
1) CCP has a lot on their hands right now. Plenty of bugs, people complaining left and right, bad press, money problems, plans gone south.
2) I'm not surprised if they're rushing things, and rushing things breaks stuff.
3) Do you really think it'll get better if you tell CCP to rush some more?
4) Chill, read a book, play another game, go outside, wash your car. EVE will be fine and so will you, unless you burst a blood vessel over this.
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Czechlion1977
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Posted - 2011.07.17 03:03:00 -
[69]
+1 to original post...and you know what? +1 from my alt I don't even bother to log in anymore,just waiting for subscription to expire,
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Brit Green
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Posted - 2011.07.17 03:10:00 -
[70]
Half the people posting here would have no clue about server problems if there wasn't a thread started. The only logging in they do is to play forum warrior. Getting upset about a game they never log into is such a joke.
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Trig Onami
Caldari Onami Corporation
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Posted - 2011.07.17 03:12:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Brit Green Half the people posting here would have no clue about server problems if there wasn't a thread started. The only logging in they do is to play forum warrior. Getting upset about a game they never log into is such a joke.
True that.
BTW nice work on your character. Can't wait to stalk you in a station :P EVE. The most ambitious project on earth. |
Rascael
Mindstar Technology
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Posted - 2011.07.17 03:17:00 -
[72]
To all the disgruntled subscribers... do yourself a favour. Biomass.
The amount you whine and complain. You don't like the game, don't like the company publishing it, and vehemently disagree with the direction the game is going...
A heart attack is just not worth it...
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Morgs44
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams The KWFL Republic
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Posted - 2011.07.17 03:58:00 -
[73]
Edited by: Morgs44 on 17/07/2011 03:58:44 I loved this game, back in the old days when it use to be about internet spaceship. Sad how they are just turning it into WOW in space.
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SuZiE DeMaRcHi
Caldari Working For The Enemy Federation
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Posted - 2011.07.17 04:03:00 -
[74]
Originally by: StarGlider7 Edited by: StarGlider7 on 16/07/2011 21:35:33 Feck me...another crash...another load of rage incoming...
This has been going on for some weeks now...seriously CCP, are you THAT incompetent???
Now i'm a patient guy...but you are taking the ****!
Incarna Sucks.... I do NOT want to fund your ****ty WOD or Dust...The latest patch is frankly an embarassment.
FIX the bloody game that I and many others fund!
The silent MAJORITY who have so far been quiet and patient...are starting to get fed up with this bollox.
Else prepare to lose more revenue.
(Posted with main out of frustration)
+1 You got my vote too buddy ^.^
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WiLlMaCk
Caldari Gunpoint Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.07.17 04:04:00 -
[75]
Originally by: SuZiE DeMaRcHi
Originally by: StarGlider7 Edited by: StarGlider7 on 16/07/2011 21:35:33 Feck me...another crash...another load of rage incoming...
This has been going on for some weeks now...seriously CCP, are you THAT incompetent???
Now i'm a patient guy...but you are taking the ****!
Incarna Sucks.... I do NOT want to fund your ****ty WOD or Dust...The latest patch is frankly an embarassment.
FIX the bloody game that I and many others fund!
The silent MAJORITY who have so far been quiet and patient...are starting to get fed up with this bollox.
Else prepare to lose more revenue.
(Posted with main out of frustration)
+1 You got my vote too buddy ^.^
+1 And you got my vote as well m8
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Shadow XII
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Posted - 2011.07.17 04:04:00 -
[76]
I don't play because my UI is ****ed - windows disappear without warning for up to several minutes - CQ hogs my systems resources badly and takes thousands of years to load after docking...
Log on > change skill > log off. Good thing I pay to play with PLEX or I wouldn't waste my money on this ****.
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WiLlMaCk
Caldari Gunpoint Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.07.17 04:07:00 -
[77]
Edited by: WiLlMaCk on 17/07/2011 04:07:39
Originally by: Rascael To all the disgruntled subscribers... do yourself a favour. Biomass.
The amount you whine and complain. You don't like the game, don't like the company publishing it, and vehemently disagree with the direction the game is going...
A heart attack is just not worth it...
You sir are a d!ck imo if peeps want to have there word heard then good for them
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2011.07.17 04:07:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Morgs44
Sad how they are just turning it into WOW in space.
Yup. Frustrating that they are breaking up the server into at least 5 shards and moving to instanced missions.
Oh, hold on a sec...
They're not. It's just another moron post from the brainless mass of hater sycophants.
Begone fool.
Mr Epeen
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Elisa Vilerum
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Posted - 2011.07.17 05:24:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Mr Epeen
Originally by: Morgs44
Sad how they are just turning it into WOW in space.
Yup. Frustrating that they are breaking up the server into at least 5 shards and moving to instanced missions.
Oh, hold on a sec...
They're not. It's just another moron post from the brainless mass of hater sycophants.
Begone fool.
Mr Epeen
hi can be that^(rude things) or he can be concerned player that is following what is going on in last 2-3 years with culmination of failcarna?
as well you can be(rude things)like fanboy that spend too much time in someone else ass and should go out to clean his face of crap and breath some clean air for a change in arse fumes are not good for your health.
or you are just stupid?
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Uuali
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Posted - 2011.07.17 05:56:00 -
[80]
Silent majority? Damn the statue shooting didn't look too silent.
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CLONE 9
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2011.07.17 06:52:00 -
[81]
Originally by: StarGlider7 [ CCP = Care in the Community Peeps
CSM = Carefully Supply Monacles
DUST = Distraught Users Supply Tears
WoD = Waste of Developers
SPIN = ****, Perpetuum Is Novel
DOOR = Dropped Obvious Often Revenue
INCARNA = woeful patch, utter garbage, fix your game, CPU, Lag, Caps, Mittens Sucks,FW, Low sec, Null sec, Wormholes, MT, Nex, T3, T20!
StarGlider7 = Cry Baby 9. |
Elina Tan
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Posted - 2011.07.17 07:14:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Kandreath -1
Seriously...I'm really sick and tired of hearing players have a big old baby cry about this stuff and pretend that CCP aren't trying to fix this stuff.
I am confident the managers are whipping the programmers with a riding crop to fix this.
I do find the current instability annoying and I too register my annoyance at loosing some playing time.
..however guess what...If you'd stop to think about it for a second you should realise it's fricking Saturday there. They have people working the the *weekend* to try and fix up whatever is wrong! -(at least the latest emergency reboot).
Second, quality is a thankless job. If you get 99,999 things right, no one will say a thing about it. What they will whine and complain about is the 1 item that slipped through the nets.
- If you are *not* a professional programmer in RL then my opinion is that you really don't know what your talking about. Simply register your annoyance at the service which is down. - Don't go on a Whine-athon and pretend you could do better.
- If you are a professional programmer then think about glass houses...ok.
- Third have you noticed the lack of news and dev blogs lately? Sure this is annoying and I'd like to know more about what is vexing the system, however I'd rather they were fixing the problems with all available resources rather than blogging about what's wrong. - I look forward to the dev blog which explains it after it's fixed.
Dear dev alt,
Normally I'd agree with you: just fix the damn thing and get it over with. In this case, however, there is a legitimate concern that the ca. 2 crashes a day, for the last 6 days, are somehow Incarna related. More specifically, there is great worry in me -- and I'm sure in others as well -- that the Incarna situation is spinning out of control: from overheating client GFX cards to now, apparently, server side issues with this latest 'expansion' (I'd rather call it an 'implosion', really, but I digress) that they can no longer contain -- like a fire that has overtaken them.
While I'm actually quite fond of Incarna -- or, rather, with the idea thereof -- still, I think we need (and probably deserve) a devblog on this. Because if the above is true, I'd like to be informed; and if it's false, I'd like to know that too.
-- "If your monocle causes you to stumble, pluck it out and throw it from you!" (Elina 18:9) |
Prince Spiderman
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Posted - 2011.07.17 07:19:00 -
[83]
I wasn't there. I was there in RL. How many server crashes did we have the last 6 years? OP is mad.
-1
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Misunderstood Genius
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Posted - 2011.07.17 07:24:00 -
[84]
Originally by: CLONE 9
Originally by: StarGlider7 [ CCP = Care in the Community Peeps
CSM = Carefully Supply Monacles
DUST = Distraught Users Supply Tears
WoD = Waste of Developers
SPIN = ****, Perpetuum Is Novel
DOOR = Dropped Obvious Often Revenue
INCARNA = woeful patch, utter garbage, fix your game, CPU, Lag, Caps, Mittens Sucks,FW, Low sec, Null sec, Wormholes, MT, Nex, T3, T20!
StarGlider7 = Cry Baby
Psychologist's recommendation of the day: terminating accounts will fix the OP's post.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2011.07.17 07:27:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Elisa Vilerum
hi can be that^(rude things) or he can be concerned player that is following what is going on in last 2-3 years with culmination of failcarna?
as well you can be(rude things)like fanboy that spend too much time in someone else ass and should go out to clean his face of crap and breath some clean air for a change in arse fumes are not good for your health.
Er...what?
I don't even...
Originally by: Elisa Vilerum
or you are just stupid?
Such cruel irony.
Mr Epeen
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Gurgeh Murat
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.17 07:38:00 -
[86]
My paid game time and subsequent ability to post enables me to say.
CCP, your service is substandard at best. You are charging me for a service i am unable to access.
Your TOS/EULA covers you nicely. Still stinks.
Imagine walking into a restaurant. Theres a notice comprised of small print on the way in. You actually take the time to read it (after the southpark apple episode who wouldnt). You dismiss it as a worst case scenario. Your steak arrives raw with a giant turd steaming on top. The waiter points you to the Notice on the way in that indemnifies them against raw steak/turd scenarios. Would this nonetheless cover your response?
Sort your **** out, your ****ing people off. Most importantly your ****ing off the people who dont post, because this crap affects everyone
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Drykor
Minmatar Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2011.07.17 07:57:00 -
[87]
I don't really agree with all the rage at this point, but it would be nice if they could release a statement about what is happening at the moment. All this downtime sure is scaring off new players. --- Drykor - AHARM |
Linoa Hiroshi
Amarr The CounterSpace Society
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Posted - 2011.07.17 08:03:00 -
[88]
+1 The new way CCP want to follow is dangerous and it's against his old and serious community. I'm thinking too, that "I'm get fed up too with this bollox". Please, don't think about opening eve community but to fix the necessary things to maintain your dear community. And please, don't make =v= a "free to play" like game. The CounterSpace Society |
Deviana Sevidon
Gallente Panta-Rhei Butterfly Effect Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.17 08:54:00 -
[89]
Edited by: Deviana Sevidon on 17/07/2011 08:54:14 -10
Sure crashes and server instability is annoying, but while there were better times, there were also times when things were MUCH WORSE.
Quit your whining or ragequit and biomass yourself.
Quote: Disclaimer: All mentioned above contains my opinion and is therefore an absolute truth (for me anyway, my universe, muhahaha.....ok, done
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Nova Kira
Ashes Against The Grain
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Posted - 2011.07.17 11:06:00 -
[90]
2 emergency restarts in a day is nothing. go outside and roll a ball around.
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A Little Girl
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Posted - 2011.07.17 11:13:00 -
[91]
Someone tried to put a monocle where it doesn't belong...
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Dark Reignz
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Posted - 2011.07.17 11:14:00 -
[92]
Confirming server crashed again today 1m 50s before downtime
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Musashi IV
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Posted - 2011.07.17 11:23:00 -
[93]
Not only are the last three expansions worthless but they ruined my $500 graphics card!!!
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J Kunjeh
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.07.17 11:25:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Musashi IV Not only are the last three expansions worthless but they ruined my $500 graphics card!!!
I think you got trolled when you bought that thing. I have 2 $150 cards and they rock Incarna without hardly breaking a sweat. Maybe your case was full of lint balls and had zero airflow? ~Gnosis~ |
Tanaka Sekigahara
United Space Marine Corp
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Posted - 2011.07.17 11:57:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Rascael To all the disgruntled subscribers... do yourself a favour. Biomass.
The amount you whine and complain. You don't like the game, don't like the company publishing it, and vehemently disagree with the direction the game is going...
A heart attack is just not worth it...
Just wanted to say, I hope your mother gets cancer. War is Hell- William Tecumseh Sherman |
Gurgeh Murat
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.17 16:01:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Tanaka Sekigahara
Just wanted to say, I hope your mother gets cancer.
What!
Thats beyond the pale, You utter, utter ****. Theres disagreement, theres trolling, theres flamewars.
And then theres you. Words cant adequately express my disgust. Be ashamed, be very ashamed.
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Important Person
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Posted - 2011.07.17 16:04:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Tanaka Sekigahara
Just wanted to say, I hope your mother gets cancer.
And this is why CCP watch what you do and ignore what you say.
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Cadela Fria
Amarr x13 Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.07.17 16:12:00 -
[98]
Originally by: StarGlider7 Edited by: StarGlider7 on 16/07/2011 21:35:33 Feck me...another crash...another load of rage incoming...
This has been going on for some weeks now...seriously CCP, are you THAT incompetent???
Now i'm a patient guy...but you are taking the ****!
Incarna Sucks.... I do NOT want to fund your ****ty WOD or Dust...The latest patch is frankly an embarassment.
FIX the bloody game that I and many others fund!
The silent MAJORITY who have so far been quiet and patient...are starting to get fed up with this bollox.
Else prepare to lose more revenue.
(Posted with main out of frustration)
Even if Incarna wasn't there, you'd still be funding WoD and Dust. Even if the patch before that wasn't there, you'd still be funding those 2 games, and the same if you remove the patch before that, and that, and so on. Get it? Every game company that has an MMO and has made (or is making) more than 1 game, the subscribers of the MMO will be funding those new games. Every company that has ever made a game, uses the money it has made from the first game, to make another one so to hopefully make even more money.
What I'm getting at is this: "I don't want to fund <insert game here" is a meaningless statement, you have no choice like the rest of the world participating in the gaming industry.
And finally "The silent MAJORITY" ? Speak for yourself, you clearly aren't part of the silent majority, nor are you an elected speaker for them.
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Creeping Tiger
Caldari Talocan Strategic Expansion Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.07.17 16:43:00 -
[99]
Quote:
Just wanted to say, I hope your mother gets cancer.
That's just plain wrong on a whole number of levels. You sir, are an a$$hat.
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Nova Kira
Ashes Against The Grain
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Posted - 2011.07.17 16:48:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Cadela Fria
Originally by: StarGlider7 Edited by: StarGlider7 on 16/07/2011 21:35:33 Feck me...another crash...another load of rage incoming...
This has been going on for some weeks now...seriously CCP, are you THAT incompetent???
Now i'm a patient guy...but you are taking the ****!
Incarna Sucks.... I do NOT want to fund your ****ty WOD or Dust...The latest patch is frankly an embarassment.
FIX the bloody game that I and many others fund!
The silent MAJORITY who have so far been quiet and patient...are starting to get fed up with this bollox.
Else prepare to lose more revenue.
(Posted with main out of frustration)
Even if Incarna wasn't there, you'd still be funding WoD and Dust. Even if the patch before that wasn't there, you'd still be funding those 2 games, and the same if you remove the patch before that, and that, and so on. Get it? Every game company that has an MMO and has made (or is making) more than 1 game, the subscribers of the MMO will be funding those new games. Every company that has ever made a game, uses the money it has made from the first game, to make another one so to hopefully make even more money.
What I'm getting at is this: "I don't want to fund <insert game here" is a meaningless statement, you have no choice like the rest of the world participating in the gaming industry.
And finally "The silent MAJORITY" ? Speak for yourself, you clearly aren't part of the silent majority, nor are you an elected speaker for them.
^This^
I know that once you believe yourself to be empowered enough to assume you represent all dissenters it can be quite an adrenaline rush, but please, take your head out of the clouds.
The weeks after Incarna have been rather bumpy, nobody is denying that. This is not an isolated case either: every MMO suffers from unsuspected instability and glitches during launch of a major patch/expansion for a multitude of reasons, many of which are impossible to anticipate.
Think of it like a car. We all know that we have to take our car in for regular oil changes, which is like downtime, but can you tell me the exact date and time that your spark plug is going to go bad? How about when your radiator starts to leak or any other engine malfunction that could happen? It's inconvenient, damn inconvenient, but it happens. Stuff breaks. The difference between you and me is that I accept this fact of MMO gaming while you still have the mentality of: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/01/04/ap/strange/main6052920.shtml
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Hunkzilla
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Posted - 2011.07.17 17:15:00 -
[101]
Originally by: StarGlider7 Edited by: StarGlider7 on 16/07/2011 21:35:33 Feck me...another crash...another load of rage incoming...
This has been going on for some weeks now...seriously CCP, are you THAT incompetent???
Now i'm a patient guy...but you are taking the ****!
Incarna Sucks.... I do NOT want to fund your ****ty WOD or Dust...The latest patch is frankly an embarassment.
FIX the bloody game that I and many others fund!
The silent MAJORITY who have so far been quiet and patient...are starting to get fed up with this bollox.
Else prepare to lose more revenue.
(Posted with main out of frustration)
Why don't you explain what the issues are that your having with the game?
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Dirty Addict
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Posted - 2011.07.17 17:24:00 -
[102]
Originally by: tika te i only have one question regarding eve atm.
@CCP: how many of your approx. 500 employes are actually working on EVE atm and how many on dust/wod??
dust, will fun wod, cant wait to see it..
Tika, how many work for blizzard? How many work on wow?
Diablo 3 FTW!!
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StarGlider7
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.07.17 18:04:00 -
[103]
I see the fanbois have been wheeled out and mobilised
Lets take your analogy of the car to start with. If I take my car into a garage to be fixed, I expect to pay to have it back working/fixed. Not to have the mechanic say, Hey..I put in a smaller engine, and sub standard clutch,brakes etc.
Secondly.."What I'm getting at is this: "I don't want to fund <insert game here" is a meaningless statement, you have no choice like the rest of the world participating in the gaming industry.".... OFC I have a choice!... I could always choose not to pay! I totally understand how they would use this money to develop other games, but when it's clearly at the detriment of the original game I subscribe too, then yes, I still have my choice through my wallet.
I will however, take your comment about representing the silent Majority on the chin..you can have that one. your correct, I don't represent them - but I have a sneaky feeling i'm far from alone with my sentiments.
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Ildur Amaenar
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Posted - 2011.07.17 18:17:00 -
[104]
+1
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Cadela Fria
Amarr x13 Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.07.17 19:38:00 -
[105]
Originally by: StarGlider7 I see the fanbois have been wheeled out and mobilised
Lets take your analogy of the car to start with. If I take my car into a garage to be fixed, I expect to pay to have it back working/fixed. Not to have the mechanic say, Hey..I put in a smaller engine, and sub standard clutch,brakes etc.
Secondly.."What I'm getting at is this: "I don't want to fund <insert game here" is a meaningless statement, you have no choice like the rest of the world participating in the gaming industry.".... OFC I have a choice!... I could always choose not to pay! I totally understand how they would use this money to develop other games, but when it's clearly at the detriment of the original game I subscribe too, then yes, I still have my choice through my wallet.
I will however, take your comment about representing the silent Majority on the chin..you can have that one. your correct, I don't represent them - but I have a sneaky feeling i'm far from alone with my sentiments.
I rather do not appreciate being referred to as a "fanboi", since I'm not one. Like many others I protested recently at the Aurum thing and many other things through EVE's history since 2004 when I first started. The reason I don't like it? Well I think it is entirely unfair that I cannot oppose your view without achieving such a pointlessly emotional label.
My arguments are founded on experience, and while yes you do have a choice in not playing the game, you won't with any argument convince a game company that they have to stop developing new products, it simply won't happen. That was what I was addressing, not your likelihood of continuing to play - Which is entirely up to you and something I care very little about (read: not at all).
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Max Keitt Keitt
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Posted - 2011.07.17 21:25:00 -
[106]
Op is funny.
He acts as if CCP can "fix the game" but just are too lazy or something.
Eve is possibly the most sophisticated MMO on the planet. I'm impressed it runs as well as it does.
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Tom Gerard
Caldari Deadspace Depot
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Posted - 2011.07.17 22:11:00 -
[107]
Soon CCP will see this, Iceland is the beta tester for American mornings.
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TravisWB
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Posted - 2011.07.18 04:27:00 -
[108]
INCARNA IS A FAIL!!
Take it BACK CCP!
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Maeve Nightside
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Posted - 2011.07.18 04:49:00 -
[109]
lol. My solution has been not to log in at all; that way I never have to deal with server crashes. Just saying. I can observe the forums pleased with my decision to unsub (main runs out in sept) and see if CCP decides to invest in developing their game content/quality.
As a side note, have been playing that other game (the one where bots/mech live) and have not experienced a server-side crash. One client-side crash in the last week (D/C while teleporting).
You guys have fun supporting poor customer service now....seems like money well spent.
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Ltd SpacePig
FISKL GUARDS RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2011.07.18 05:59:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Maeve Nightside lol. As a side note, have been playing that other game (the one where bots/mech live) and have not experienced a server-side crash. One client-side crash in the last week (D/C while teleporting).
Thats because it has A LOT less players and looks like ****.. you can't even compare EVE with that game, and yes..I have tested.. what a waste of time it was.
All major upgrades of EVE has been followed by a month or so of unstable server. This is probably one of the biggest changes in years and I'm not surprised at all that the servers / client are abit unstable. As another poster in this thread wrote.. all MMOs of this size has the same problem and EVE is the most advanced of them all.. so give it some time.
CCP are right in not listening to a lot of whats being wrote on this forum lately.. its all bull****. They know that most of EVE player base loves this game and will stay loyal to it and will give it time and understand what they are trying to build in the long run. They know that we know that they are doing their best to give us what we want. People never like changes.. but changes are needed..and in time people understand that the changes was needed.
Sometime you need to look at the goal we are heading for.. and there will be some bumps on the road.. but in time we will look back at this period and we will think.. what would we do without those changes.. like..what would this game be without the premium graphics we have today.. or the wormholes etc at the time of this changes people where also screaming their heads off...but today we wouldn't want to be without those changes.
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