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MeowMix1
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.11.02 14:27:00 -
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Lili Lu wrote:Aw, poor meowmix. Don't worry, there are plenty of narrow sighted people itt that have been upset with the changes. But, more importantly, don't you read?
I know you are not supposed to feed the trolls but let's give Lili the benefit of the doubt one more time.
I totally agree with the original proposed Missile nerfs and other changes. I just don't think they go far enough. CCP has stated time and time again that they are opposed to power creep and want the game totally balanced. They admonish players to be bold.
All I want from CCP is to be bold! Get rid of carebears (I'm a carebear myself) and bots and make at least non-capital ships balanced. Also, I want to see CCP's profits increase from sale of PLEX.
Why are you against such simple changes that are for the good of the game?
PS I have been an active player since March 2009 and run missions in Golem, Rattlesnake and Tengu. All the changes I want are totally contrary to the way I play the game and are to my detriment. How about what you are advocating? |
I'm Down
Macabre Votum Against ALL Authorities
133
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Posted - 2012.11.02 14:35:00 -
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Takeshi Yamato wrote:I'm Down wrote:Literally, by his definition, Kinetic damage bonus is the weakest in game... so how does a Sac with a 25% RoF bonus.... the 2nd best possible damage bonus in game appear so weak within it's class using HML's.... Maybe it's because the Sacrilege has a damage bonus only to HAMs. The Nighthawk has always been gimped due to fitting issues. The Cerberus has more range than is realistically useful in 99% of situations (who needs 189km range on HMLs?) . Essentially the ship has only 3 useful bonuses. Does this answer your question how these ships are not overpowered despite HMLs being supposedly overpowered?
No, b/c you go by his definition... a ship with one uber damage bonus with an OP weapon system should matter... hence the omni ROF bonus. Saying 3 useful bonuses on the Cerb is like saying 3 useful bonuses on the Zealot.... oh wait.
In neither case does the ship even appear slightly OP. |
serras bang
Lucien Coven
41
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Posted - 2012.11.02 14:38:00 -
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Lili Lu wrote:Cazador 64 wrote:1425mm AutoCannon II1580 2Heavy Missile Launcher II1070 3200mm AutoCannon II854 4220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II801 5425mm Railgun II734 6150mm Light AutoCannon II723 71400mm Howitzer Artillery II547 8125mm Gatling AutoCannon II519 9Light Neutron Blaster II517 10Neutron Blaster Cannon II501 11Mega Pulse Laser II475 12650mm Artillery Cannon II387 13720mm Howitzer Artillery II378 14Heavy Pulse Laser II335 15Dual 180mm AutoCannon II320 16Prototype 'Arbalest' Torpedo Launcher308 17Heavy Neutron Blaster II301 18Light Ion Blaster II300 19800mm Repeating Artillery II288 20425mm Prototype Gauss Gun265 This is Right off eve kill NOV 2 2012 5:44 AM est This is clear cut proof 425mm Autocannon II are grossly Over powered and need to be nerfed right away !!. http://eve-kill.net/?a=top20 Ok, Cazador. You really need to preface your citation with the qualifier that it is less than two days worth of data for the whole month of 30 days. Since the patch isn't coming til Dec 4 or thereabouts, I highly doubt this coming month's stats will differ much from all the prior months for the last 3 years. It will be HML II and Drakes back on top by the end of the month. Need Moar Data Points As for 425mm AC II, you apparently missed the Cane nerf. We will see how they and the Drake do in December. Regardless as I, Takeshi or Jorma are saying, and the devs have hinted, a TE nerf may be coming sometime "soon" after December. This will cut into AC power and usage. The biggest point is this data (by the end of the month) will do absolutely nothing to invalidate the HM nerf. CCP cannot balance the game on one months data. You have to have been following these stats over multiple months. And in that view they have been very consistent that HML IIs have been walking all over any other weapon and certainly well over any other MEDIUM LONG RANGE WEAPON. To respond to a nerf with "oh yeah well his weapon should be nerfed even more" is really rather weak argumentation. And, again you are mixing apples and oranges also. 425mm AC are short range weapons.
yes a cane is being nerfed but only to the point of having same pg and cpu in line with other bc witch you know is the argument for the missle nerf. but anyways we will keep it to current and not start an arguement.
what the above shows is t2 hml launchers and t1 torps a hugh amount of the rest is dominated by minmatar so 2 out of 20 are missle launchers and acs do claim the top by a fair amount.
i have no doubt this will change and am not putting this up against a defence but it is down on paper as everything else is down on paper (seams the way people like it paper stats) so you know it kinda invaladates the point of hml being over powerd. especialy when you look at the gap between 1 and 2 then at gap between 2 and 3 |
Johnson Oramara
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.11.02 14:49:00 -
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Bouh Revetoile wrote:So sweat : another two days set of statistics which absolutely don't mean anything relevant.
PS : please, don't do it one more time on the second of december, it's a very bad joke.
I love it how when Lili Lu posts some statistics that has missiles/drake seemingly in top of the usage as backing their arguments, but when Cazador 64 does this it's suddenly completely irrelevant
Wonder if someone's here are flying minnies & using ac's... |
Morrigan LeSante
The Lost and Forgotten Troopers
49
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Posted - 2012.11.02 14:53:00 -
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Johnson Oramara wrote:Bouh Revetoile wrote:So sweat : another two days set of statistics which absolutely don't mean anything relevant.
PS : please, don't do it one more time on the second of december, it's a very bad joke. I love it how when Lili Lu posts some statistics that has missiles/drake seemingly in top of the usage as backing their arguments, but when Cazador 64 does this it's suddenly completely irrelevant Wonder if someone's here are flying minnies & using ac's...
More likely that a trend after 30 days means a LOT more than the 2 day one presented?
Naaaaaaaaah it's totally a conspiracy......
psssst: Same thing happened last month. |
Jame Jarl Retief
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
321
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Posted - 2012.11.02 15:05:00 -
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Sephira Galamore wrote:Colt Blackhawk wrote:Quote: 1425mm AutoCannon II1580 2Heavy Missile Launcher II1070 3200mm AutoCannon II854 4220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II801 5425mm Railgun II734 6150mm Light AutoCannon II723 71400mm Howitzer Artillery II547 8125mm Gatling AutoCannon II519 9Light Neutron Blaster II517 10Neutron Blaster Cannon II501 [...]
ACs need a nerf and Minmatar arty alpha too. Miss RAILGUNS here completely. Really asking myself how long it will take that CCP sees they need a buff? I highlighted two things for you.
That's 734 out of 7855. Or 9.3% of total. Yeah, Rails are just fine...
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Buzzy Warstl
The Strontium Asylum
186
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Posted - 2012.11.02 15:09:00 -
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It also doesn't show how many of those AC kills are supported by dual medium neuts (a specific fit targeted by the 'cane nerf).
Since this set of changes hits the Dual-neut 425 AC 'cane and the HML Drake pretty much equally, I don't think we are looking at any serious bias here. If anything it might make the Cyclone a more popular choice for PvP. |
Noemi Nagano
State War Academy Caldari State
115
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Posted - 2012.11.02 15:14:00 -
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Morrigan LeSante wrote:Johnson Oramara wrote:Bouh Revetoile wrote:So sweat : another two days set of statistics which absolutely don't mean anything relevant.
PS : please, don't do it one more time on the second of december, it's a very bad joke. I love it how when Lili Lu posts some statistics that has missiles/drake seemingly in top of the usage as backing their arguments, but when Cazador 64 does this it's suddenly completely irrelevant Wonder if someone's here are flying minnies & using ac's... More likely that a trend after 30 days means a LOT more than the 2 day one presented? Naaaaaaaaah it's totally a conspiracy...... psssst: Same thing happened last month.
While I agree the stats after 2 days are not really a hot thing the point is dear Lili missed to post the end of the month weapons list and the entire top 20 ships in last month. And not only me thinks this is not a smart way to use stats .. when its so obvious what you try to hide :D |
Johnson Oramara
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.11.02 15:16:00 -
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Morrigan LeSante wrote:Johnson Oramara wrote:Bouh Revetoile wrote:So sweat : another two days set of statistics which absolutely don't mean anything relevant.
PS : please, don't do it one more time on the second of december, it's a very bad joke. I love it how when Lili Lu posts some statistics that has missiles/drake seemingly in top of the usage as backing their arguments, but when Cazador 64 does this it's suddenly completely irrelevant Wonder if someone's here are flying minnies & using ac's... More likely that a trend after 30 days means a LOT more than the 2 day one presented? Naaaaaaaaah it's totally a conspiracy...... psssst: Same thing happened last month.
Still for some reason some people went with canes instead of drakes that have about half the ehp and sucky effective range compared to OP Drake and HM's.
Yes, i do agree HM's are currently slightly OP when you look at the stats, but take Drake & Tengu out of the game and they wouldn't be used anywhere, why? |
Bouh Revetoile
Barricade.
148
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Posted - 2012.11.02 15:23:00 -
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Johnson Oramara wrote:Bouh Revetoile wrote:So sweat : another two days set of statistics which absolutely don't mean anything relevant.
PS : please, don't do it one more time on the second of december, it's a very bad joke. I love it how when Lili Lu posts some statistics that has missiles/drake seemingly in top of the usage as backing their arguments, but when Cazador 64 does this it's suddenly completely irrelevant Wonder if someone's here are flying minnies & using ac's... I'll try to put it simply : you took TWO DAYS of statistics.
It happens that, by an extraodinary coincidence, Goons and the NC. decided to fight yesterday night. I'm sure that was only to make your stats wrong and unuasable, but here we are : they happily blow eachother up, and as there was on the the field some fleets of Rokh, Abaddon, Mael, Drakes, Zealots and a few hurricanes, here are your statistics. Of course, you know that rapier are part of a lot of BS fleets, hence some more projectiles to the set.
Here is a BR for you : http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?br=http%3A%2F%2Feve-kill.net%2F%3Fa%3Dkill_related%26kll_id%3D15046836&Nulli_Secunda=red&Northern_Coalition_=red&Intrepid_Crossing=red&RAZOR_Alliance=blue&Fidelas_Constans=blue&Fatal_Ascension=blue&Goonswarm_Federation=blue&Executive_Outcomes=blue&Mordus_Angels=blue&Get_Off_My_Lawn=blue&Circle_Of_Two=blue&SpaceMonkey_s_Alliance=blue&Gentlemen_s_Agreement=blue&Tactical_Narcotics_Team=blue&C_NVICTED=blue&The_Retirement_Club=red#assign
Oh, and did you see the ships rebalance occuring these days ? They are nerfing the hurricane, and the other ships (T1 cruisers and frigates) are gonna be on the level of the winmatar ships. Isn't it somewhat what you wanted ?
You know, you should learn to use statistics before trying to use them. It's a sharp sword. |
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MIrple
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
158
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Posted - 2012.11.02 16:10:00 -
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RankShips Kills Weapon Used 1 Hurricane 4909 425 AC or 720 2 Drake 4790 HML or HAM 3 Rokh 4734 425 R or Neutron 4 Huginn 1977 425 AC and HML 5 Naga 1843 425 R or Neutron 6 Tornado 1810 800's or 1400's 7 Sabre 1529 Small AC 8 Cynabal 1529 425 AC 9 Hound 1370 Trops 10 Thrasher 1319 Small AC or Arty 11 Oracle 1295 Large Pulse or Beams 12 Talos 1048 425 R or Neutron 13 Nyx 983 Fighter Bomber 14 Stabber FI 970 425 AC ? 15 Maelstrom 967 1400's 16 Rapier 842 425 AC and HML? 17 Zealot 830 Med Pulse or Beam 18 Tengu 819 HML or HAM 19 Jaguar 778 Small AC 20 Merlin 742 Small Rail or Blaster
I put this here to make a little more sense of the whole aguement. While after 3 days 425's are on top a few more ships use these weapons then HML but with fewer ships the HML is still second. Not making any assumptions just putting the info out there. I think after the TE changes it will make the numbers more congruent. |
ROU Psychopath
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
3
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Posted - 2012.11.02 16:12:00 -
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Now Lili, how does that egg feel?
Best regards, Noemi |
Lili Lu
575
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Posted - 2012.11.02 16:40:00 -
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ROU Psychopath wrote:Now Lili, how does that egg feel?
Best regards, Noemi It feels great Noemi. Now I have to hold my face over a frying pan and scramble that egg up. You finally did it. Do you feel better too. \o/ See, it wan't that bad.
So you get off on ganking noobs in Jita from Minmatar ships. Anyway, why haven't you been posting from ROU for the whole thread? Anyway, I'm sure you will not stop posting your displeasure with this nerf all the way to the day it hits tranquility. Here's to another 300 pages of this thread |
Lili Lu
575
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Posted - 2012.11.02 16:43:00 -
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Noemi Nagano wrote: While I agree the stats after 2 days are not really a hot thing the point is dear Lili missed to post the end of the month weapons list and the entire top 20 ships in last month. And not only me thinks this is not a smart way to use stats .. when its so obvious what you try to hide :D
See, you're learning Noemi. A day and half of stats in isolation mean next to nothing. We'll see how things are looking later in the month. And we'll have to remember the continued trend that has been displayed over many months, indeed years.
As for the lack of posting all top 20 on my previous post, Noemi, it was already presented as somehow invalidating what I said, and countered by me. -
Lili Lu wrote:Cazador 64 wrote: Why not post the entire top 20 and see most of them are Winmatarr ships ? In fact just shy of 50% make up this list. And the same thing happens with weapons systems and projectiles. At any rate the cane was just a start to the bombardment of nerfs that are coming to a projectile winmatarr ship near you. The fact is DEV made the right call with rebalancing the nerf, they listened to the people who went onto test and tried the changes for them self and made adjustments. Fozzie you made the right call I commend you for taking the time to read the forums and make the right call. Because posting the entire top twenty is effort. Anyway you keep trying to satisfy yourself that I am some Minmatar chauvanist like you are a Caldari chauvanist. You are mistaken. I don't care if there are future adjustments to Minmatar weapons. I don't self identify in this game or rl like some of you appear to do with any in-game race. I outgrew any in-game affiliation within my first year, and started crosstraining and even got a second account for the other two races of ships. As I've said multiple times in this thread I think it is the overdone TE buff that is the source of the Minmatar strengths in the current game. Maybe that will be addressed. But if and when doesn't matter for this thread in that you could be entirely correct that projectiles need a nerf and it would not invalidate any of the nerf on missiles or the coming direct nerfs to the Drake. Enjoy.
Maybe you need to read the thread more Noemi. I wasn't ducking anything. I have no skin in projectiles. I have them trained, but I also have tech II lasers, and tech II missiles of all kinds trained (no capital size for either though). I have not been arguing that there isn't something collectively advantageous and overused with some projectile guns. But the mistakes you HM apologists make is to lump all projectile guns together and also to think that somehow the collective strength of them absolves the op status of HMs. Projectiles will see some adjustments I suspect. It could be specific gun stats adjusted or more likely a rethinking of the overdone TE buff of a while back. I really don't care, sorry to deflate your hope for my as irrational anger as yours to some possible impending projectile nerf.
Anyway, because it is something I care about, statistics and analysis of them, let me link something about analyzing polling data in the presidential election in the US. http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/01/in-nevada-obama-ryan-and-signs-of-a-new-democratic-leaning-normal/#more-36829 It's somewhat similar to eve-kill killmail stats. They are in essence data that has to be analyzed, like polling data. The more data you have, the better your conclusions and predictions are. I would love it if Eve-kill would give us more raw information, more complete information, and more ability to break down the information for analysis. Maybe in the future it will. Until then we have to deal with it as it is. And the simple point is that one day's data in isolation tells you very little.
edit - and won't a projectile nerf hurt ROU? Do we have a butthurt ROU to look forward to when the projectile nerf that he called for in fact comes as well? Maybe you will by that time understand that games change in response to overuse of overly advantaged items or paths. HMs were too far out in front for usage and parameters on damage and range compared to other medium long range weapons. The nerf was bound to happen. But other missiles are getting buffs. Change in action. |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
217
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Posted - 2012.11.02 16:56:00 -
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Lili Lu wrote:edit - and won't a projectile nerf hurt ROU? Do we have a butthurt ROU to look forward to when the projectile nerf that he called for in fact comes as well? Maybe you will by that time understand that games change in response to overuse of overly advantaged items or paths.
Not just projectiles. I can see a Sleipnir nerf too when they get to that far with rebalancing. But that's far in the future so let's not get to that yet. |
Lili Lu
575
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Posted - 2012.11.02 17:02:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Lili Lu wrote:edit - and won't a projectile nerf hurt ROU? Do we have a butthurt ROU to look forward to when the projectile nerf that he called for in fact comes as well? Maybe you will by that time understand that games change in response to overuse of overly advantaged items or paths. Not just projectiles. I can see a Sleipnir nerf too when they get to that far with rebalancing. But that's far in the future so let's not get to that yet.
Possibly. Although I suspect with combat command ships there will likley be more buffing of the underperforming ships. There is a general acknowledgment that sp and isk investment being rather high for these ships that they should perform like a Sleip and not like the others.
With current rebalancing we are seeing buffs and not just nerfs. This class of ships seems more akin to the recent frig and cruiser situations, and less like the current tier 2 and 3 BC situations, imo. |
Noemi Nagano
State War Academy Caldari State
115
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Posted - 2012.11.02 17:37:00 -
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Lili Lu wrote:Lili Lu wrote:Cazador 64 wrote: Why not post the entire top 20 and see most of them are Winmatarr ships ? In fact just shy of 50% make up this list. And the same thing happens with weapons systems and projectiles. At any rate the cane was just a start to the bombardment of nerfs that are coming to a projectile winmatarr ship near you. The fact is DEV made the right call with rebalancing the nerf, they listened to the people who went onto test and tried the changes for them self and made adjustments. Fozzie you made the right call I commend you for taking the time to read the forums and make the right call. Because posting the entire top twenty is effort. Anyway you keep trying to satisfy yourself that I am some Minmatar chauvanist like you are a Caldari chauvanist. You are mistaken. I don't care if there are future adjustments to Minmatar weapons. I don't self identify in this game or rl like some of you appear to do with any in-game race. I outgrew any in-game affiliation within my first year, and started crosstraining and even got a second account for the other two races of ships. As I've said multiple times in this thread I think it is the overdone TE buff that is the source of the Minmatar strengths in the current game. Maybe that will be addressed. But if and when doesn't matter for this thread in that you could be entirely correct that projectiles need a nerf and it would not invalidate any of the nerf on missiles or the coming direct nerfs to the Drake. Enjoy. Maybe you need to read the thread more Noemi.
Maybe *you* need to read what you quote here and who you want to adress .. but maybe its also just that egg in your face. |
Lili Lu
575
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Posted - 2012.11.02 18:15:00 -
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Noemi Nagano wrote: Maybe *you* need to read what you quote here and who you want to adress .. but maybe its also just that egg in your face. Noemi. I know who I was quoting. I linked that quote to show you someone else had already posted the same retort and that it was no big deal. Anyway, I'm glad you're so glad about finally putting the egg I invited you to put on my face. I cooked up some lunch and am enjoying some chai spiced tea now.
Honestly, I don't know why people use npc corp alts to post on the forums. People should lend more weight to their arguments by posting with a character that has some pvp history if what you are posting about involves pvp. If one is posting in the industry sub forum of whatever it doesn't matter. Or if one has a comedy alt for GD flaming that's fine too. But in a thread such as this, concerning the alterations to ships and weapons used in (or at least primarilly balanced around) pvp, then post with a character that has some pvp history.
Thanks for doing it Noemi. Feel free to keep posting with ROU, even though Noemi is more pleasant to look at. |
Noemi Nagano
State War Academy Caldari State
115
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Posted - 2012.11.02 18:17:00 -
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Lili Lu wrote:Thanks for doing it Noemi. Feel free to keep posting with ROU, even though Noemi is more pleasant to look at.
I always had the impression you were more into girls, yeah .. ;)
So, all of you enjoy the testserver, and hopefully this game will be a better one after the patch for all races :) .
Best regards.
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Malango
Astro Defence Industry
9
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Posted - 2012.11.02 22:48:00 -
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CCP are F***ing over PVE'ing carebear lazytown watchers in every way they can. that way if they drive out all the lazytown watchers it just leaves the PVP'ers who will buy plex off CCP to fund their fun, because they're to awesome to waste time with PVE when they're part of a big fancy alliance.
they've ruined drones for pve and missiles. SO for gallante and caldari pilots that leave railguns which suck more than any weapon in game!
I'm a drone pilot and with the new update coming i'll struggle to mission to fund my pvp. I'm trying my best to train large blasters now, as all that's left to fly for me fly as I refuse to use rails is the kronos or vindi being gallante, as i need the web bonus to kill the frigs as my drones will be useless.
I already run 2 alts and pay with RL cash as my isk goes on ships and pvp and pve.
If CCP make pve to hard for me I'll leave. I enjoy low sec pvp but if i can't pve there's no point.
But at least eve will be free of lazytown watchers and eve will just be blobs vs blobs in null, wooo....... |
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Spc One
The Chodak Void Alliance
118
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Posted - 2012.11.02 22:53:00 -
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291 pages ! and 5809 posts
CCP must be doing something VERY wrong to balancing weapons and missiles.
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
359
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Posted - 2012.11.02 22:57:00 -
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Spc One wrote:291 pages ! and 5809 posts
CCP must be doing something VERY wrong to balancing weapons and missiles.
Another interpretation:
CCP must be doing something very right if so many were so completely reliant on HML's. |
Malango
Astro Defence Industry
9
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Posted - 2012.11.02 23:02:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Spc One wrote:291 pages ! and 5809 posts
CCP must be doing something VERY wrong to balancing weapons and missiles.
Another interpretation: CCP must be doing something very right if so many were so completely reliant on HML's.
I'm being F'd in the A, and i have one mil sp in missiles! lol |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
359
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Posted - 2012.11.02 23:09:00 -
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Malango wrote:I'm being F'd in the A, and i have one mil sp in missiles! lol Then the HML change won't have too great an impact on your overall performance. |
Faora Zod
Don't mess with this DoJo
4
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Posted - 2012.11.02 23:48:00 -
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Malango wrote:CCP are F***ing over PVE'ing carebear lazytown watchers in every way they can. that way if they drive out all the lazytown watchers it just leaves the PVP'ers who will buy plex off CCP to fund their fun, because they're to awesome to waste time with PVE when they're part of a big fancy alliance.
they've ruined drones for pve and missiles. SO for gallante and caldari pilots that leave railguns which suck more than any weapon in game!
I'm a drone pilot and with the new update coming i'll struggle to mission to fund my pvp. I'm trying my best to train large blasters now, as all that's left to fly for me fly as I refuse to use rails is the kronos or vindi being gallante, as i need the web bonus to kill the frigs as my drones will be useless.
I already run 2 alts and pay with RL cash as my isk goes on ships and pvp and pve.
If CCP make pve to hard for me I'll leave. I enjoy low sec pvp but if i can't pve there's no point.
But at least eve will be free of lazytown watchers and eve will just be blobs vs blobs in null, wooo.......
I agree with you completely, one way or the other CCP is going to get people to buy GTCs it is funny how everyone bitched and moaned over the NEXstore and Pay to Win options but not pointing out how EVE is already pay to win with the GTCs and plexes, I can either pay 15 dollars a month or buy a GTC for 35, split into two months and sell one of them? Yeah pretty sure that puts a dollar value on isk makng it to where you can spend RL money to get isk. |
Malango
Astro Defence Industry
9
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Posted - 2012.11.03 00:03:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Malango wrote:I'm being F'd in the A, and i have one mil sp in missiles! lol Then the HML change won't have too great an impact on your overall performance.
Nope being all out drones I'm buggered also as the rats will target and kill my drones.
drone pilots have it worse than HML pilots! much worse. |
Lili Lu
575
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Posted - 2012.11.03 00:08:00 -
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Spc One wrote:291 pages ! and 5809 posts
CCP must be doing something VERY wrong to balancing weapons and missiles.
Yes because all 5809 posts were negative . . .
Don't ever change HM addicts. This is the end, your only friend, the end. |
Cazador 64
Nightmare Logistics
126
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Posted - 2012.11.03 00:31:00 -
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Lili Lu wrote:Spc One wrote:291 pages ! and 5809 posts
CCP must be doing something VERY wrong to balancing weapons and missiles.
Yes because all 5809 posts were negative . . . Don't ever change HM addicts. This is the end, your only friend, the end.
This simply isn't true you must make up at least 25% of these post with your trash, dogging on HML because they are the only real competition to your projectiles. And yet again you add nothing to the argument you are just here to rag on people and pick fun. And in my book that is what a troll is.
Spc One wrote:291 pages ! and 5809 posts
CCP must be doing something VERY wrong to balancing weapons and missiles.
If you can manage to sort through the garbage post ignore everything Lili Lu you will see the valid arguments that have been made, and in my opinion these 5809 post are the reason the HML are not taking as big of a hit as initially proposed. We are lucky enough to have the DEVs take the time to really sort through these post and make valid determinations and adjustments as needed. |
serras bang
Lucien Coven
41
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Posted - 2012.11.03 02:18:00 -
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Malango wrote:CCP are F***ing over PVE'ing carebear lazytown watchers in every way they can. that way if they drive out all the lazytown watchers it just leaves the PVP'ers who will buy plex off CCP to fund their fun, because they're to awesome to waste time with PVE when they're part of a big fancy alliance.
they've ruined drones for pve and missiles. SO for gallante and caldari pilots that leave railguns which suck more than any weapon in game!
I'm a drone pilot and with the new update coming i'll struggle to mission to fund my pvp. I'm trying my best to train large blasters now, as all that's left to fly for me fly as I refuse to use rails is the kronos or vindi being gallante, as i need the web bonus to kill the frigs as my drones will be useless.
I already run 2 alts and pay with RL cash as my isk goes on ships and pvp and pve.
If CCP make pve to hard for me I'll leave. I enjoy low sec pvp but if i can't pve there's no point.
But at least eve will be free of lazytown watchers and eve will just be blobs vs blobs in null, wooo.......
erm chill mate funding an acount aint that hard i payed for a years worth of plex in about 3 months and plexed that 3 months also mission aint all that hard and continue not to be unless some unknown ramp up in diffuculty is comeing |
Lili Lu
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Cazador 64 wrote: This simply isn't true you must make up at least 25% of these post with your trash, dogging on HML because they are the only real competition to your projectiles. And yet again you add nothing to the argument you are just here to rag on people and pick fun. And in my book that is what a troll is.
If you can manage to sort through the garbage post ignore everything Lili Lu you will see the valid arguments that have been made, and in my opinion these 5809 post are the reason the HML are not taking as big of a hit as initially proposed. We are lucky enough to have the DEVs take the time to really sort through these post and make valid determinations and adjustments as needed.
Good god, how many times have I tried to tell you I don't identify as a projectile only user like you identify as a HM only user.
Glad though that you are so mad at my posting, and that you still don't know what a troll is. The truth hurts. And definitions for words I guess are a challenge to you. Sarcasm /= troll Some of you are such easy targets for sarcasm because you identify yourself with a fictional race in a video game.
And as for the subsequent watering down of the nerf adjustments, nbd. I'm hardly butthurt about them. You however still seem butthurt about the whole thing. My 11 mil sp in missiles are still happy with along with the 14 mil in gunnery. Someday you will chill out and have a larger perspective on the game also. |
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