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Lili Lu
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Posted - 2012.10.20 03:50:00 -
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I'm Down wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:I'm Down wrote:for those of you saying the 10% damage nerf is good, I don't think you truely understand the extent of the nerf.
Missiles are becoming highly ewar sensitive to the same extent as guns while still suffering delayed and destroyable damage.
Missiles are delayed damage.
Range nerf equates to damage nerf and defensive nerf.
All non drake/Tengu's get **** on with anything but HAMs, yet still HAMs suck on all but 2 ships that use them b/c of lack of tank/mids/speed. I'm not seeing much evidence that many are taking advantage of their destructibility, at least in PvP. Also the Ewar changes aren't coming this winter. in 0.0, it's pretty common to firewall. As for the ewar... you know it's coming... so why promote a nerf knowing that it's going to be even worse soon? Range nerf is enough... damage nerf can always come later if it's not enough. Yeah and there is more than nullsec in the game. Noone is firewalling missiles in lowsec smaller engagements that I've seen. Besides firewalls are not like an automatic missile negator anyway.
Range nerf is not enough. HMs have too much damage compared to other long range weapons. It's been shown a hundred times already probably itt. Keep whining in vain though. |
Lili Lu
546
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Posted - 2012.10.20 04:26:00 -
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OT Smithers wrote: It is possible that some Caldari players -- perhaps hundreds or even thousands -- are tired of waiting for magical "some days" and are sick of seeing the little that they do have nerfed. It is possible that Caldari players will not understand or accept that CCPs solution to broken ships like the Cerberus is to nerf it some more. It's possible that hundreds or even thousands of Caldari players were already distrustful or even angry with CCP even prior to all this. It's possible.
You don't agree with me, but I think CCP is playing with dynamite. If they keep kicking it, as they have promised to do, it might very well explode. I think CCP needs to take a step back and give some serious thought to the Caldari situation overall. They need to stop talking nerfs and start talking about fixes.
In my opinion. OT, the Caldari situation? If anyone has a "racial" beef in this game it would be Gallente centered players. Gallente's been in the toilet for a couple or more years now. But I don't see the same volume of complaining from Gallente players as that from Caldair centric players.
Frankly Caldari centric players seem to have a sense of entitlement in this game. I don't know why it attracts such people. Or maybe it makes them. Most players roll Caldari and use it quite easily for pve money making. They then seem to think they should rule pvp as well. And don't seem to notice the similar situations amarr and gallente are in as far as having many worthless ships and a few good one. Only Minmatar seems to be blessed atm.
But hopefully all those festering imbalances will be changing with this process that has essentially just begun. I don't perceive any Caldari hate with the rebalances that have already entered the game. In fact the opposite. Which ia a little concerning frankly. That this one long overdue nerf came to HMs is the first downside for Caldari ships so far.
Roll with it. This process is not over. |
OT Smithers
BLOMI
288
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Posted - 2012.10.20 05:23:00 -
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Lili Lu wrote: OT, the Caldari situation? If anyone has a "racial" beef in this game it would be Gallente centered players. Gallente's been in the toilet for a couple or more years now. But I don't see the same volume of complaining from Gallente players as that from Caldair centric players.
But you DID see it prior to the Hybrid buff.
The Gallente might have some cause for complaint, the same could be said for the Amarr (I have certainly seen quite a few comments from Amarr players on these forums).
Quote:Frankly Caldari centric players seem to have a sense of entitlement in this game. I don't know why it attracts such people. Or maybe it makes them. Most players roll Caldari and use it quite easily for pve money making. They then seem to think they should rule pvp as well. And don't seem to notice the similar situations amarr and gallente are in as far as having many worthless ships and a few good one. Only Minmatar seems to be blessed atm.
But hopefully all those festering imbalances will be changing with this process that has essentially just begun. I don't perceive any Caldari hate with the rebalances that have already entered the game. In fact the opposite. Which ia a little concerning frankly. That this one long overdue nerf came to HMs is the first downside for Caldari ships so far.
Roll with it. This process is not over.
I have a great deal of respect for you. Your comments in the other winter update threads demostrate an amazing depth of knowlege about the game -- I am a bit jealous to be honest. But respectfully, I think you are missing the boat here in this thread.
You are talking about Heavy Missiles and the Drake, and really everything you have to say about them is either subjectively or objectively correct. But the problem here is not Heavy missiles. The problem is the OTHER Caldari ships and weapons, and the way Caldari players feel they have been treated by CCP. In my opinion that's why people are upset. You or I might not agree that they have any reason for complaint. That's irrelevant. It's a real problem none the less.
CCP clearly does not get it. You can see it in this thread with the way they packaged all this.
They launched into this thread with a whole bunch of nerf talk. That was foolish, and the only reason they packaged it this way was because they simply do not understand why Caldari pilots are upset, and they apparently do not care enough to really listen and find out.
Had they instead titled this thread "Time For Some Caldari Love!" and then opened it with a long list of all the buffs to HAMs and Torps and Light Missiles, the removal of the T2 penalties, and the changes to skills and mods that would make these weapons even better....then slipped the HM nerf in at the end, this thread would be forty pages long and everyone would be talking about all the stuff they would slaughter with their new HAM Drakes and Caracals. Better still if CCP took the time to hint at all the awesome additional Caldari "love" coming next year rather than just talking gleefully about all the additional Caldari nerfs they have planned.
But that's not what happened. So we have this mess, and what Caldari players reading this thread see is not a list of buffs and a couple (perhaps necessary) nerfs, but rather CCP saying: "We are gonna f@ck you up the ass again, but this time we'll toss some money on the nightstand before we go."
THAT'S the Caldari problem that CCP needs to address.
In my opinion. |
Noemi Nagano
State War Academy Caldari State
76
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Posted - 2012.10.20 06:45:00 -
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If one just takes the numbers then a CM Raven will kill almost everything on long ranges. In game it does not.
If one just takes the numbers then a HML Drake would kill almost everything on long ranges (except the CM Raven :D). In game it does not either. Unlike the Raven it does work though in game. IMO not in a gamebreaking way, but others do disagree - hard to say who is right and who is not. Matter of fact is, this game is not Drake online, and if people would have to chose a race which they fly and have to stick with it I am pretty sure it would not be Caldari for most. Do you disagree there too?
Admitted, the HML Drake is good. And the damage at the end of HM-range is too much out of line compared to its peers. If one does not want to buff *their* ability to do more at those ranges then there comes only one thing to my mind which could solve that issue and not break balance in all other aspects , that would be giving HML some new t2 long range ammo which has far less DPS but less flight time too, and will be on target much faster. And reduce the range of standard higher damage ammo.
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
204
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Posted - 2012.10.20 08:04:00 -
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Lili Lu wrote:Also, you tell me, does that sound like Noemi?
To be honest, no.
Tyberius Franklin wrote:I'm Down wrote:for those of you saying the 10% damage nerf is good, I don't think you truely understand the extent of the nerf.
Missiles are becoming highly ewar sensitive to the same extent as guns while still suffering delayed and destroyable damage.
Missiles are delayed damage.
Range nerf equates to damage nerf and defensive nerf.
All non drake/Tengu's get **** on with anything but HAMs, yet still HAMs suck on all but 2 ships that use them b/c of lack of tank/mids/speed. I'm not seeing much evidence that many are taking advantage of their destructibility, at least in PvP. Also the Ewar changes aren't coming this winter.
And looks like CCP is nerfing TDs and trying to make Arbi/Pilgrim/Curse the only viable hull to use TDs. Those ships aren't known for their pwning abilities in fleets... |
Bouh Revetoile
Barricade.
108
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Posted - 2012.10.20 09:54:00 -
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Noemi Nagano wrote:Bouh Revetoile wrote:Noemi Nagano wrote:I stand corrected then: with l4 you will be better (by a very small margin). Doesnt change the fact its not really a buff, esp. with HAMs and explo velo nerf ...
You can also do like everyone with turret : use faction ammo instead of T2 high damage ones when you have to hit smaller stuff ; thse don't see ANY nerf, only the buffs. HAM also get a PG buff BTW. The problem is I dont need that faction ammo for just hitting smaller stuff .. with HAMs I need it to hit stuff in the same size. Duh. And even then damage application might suck grand time. You didnt answer to my questions about your missile and Caldari ship first hand experience btw. Is that the same guy who tells me I would just go from one to the next? That question is irrelevant.
And now, explosion radiius of HAM will be buffed. Isn't it exactly what HAM needed ? Duh. Oh, and web, do you know it ? Cool module in fact. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
374
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Posted - 2012.10.20 10:25:00 -
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OT Smithers wrote:If you were to compare training times of ALL the weapons in a class, You're not wrong, but I wasn't comparing training times of all the weapons in a class |
Bouh Revetoile
Barricade.
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Posted - 2012.10.20 10:32:00 -
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Noemi Nagano wrote:If one just takes the numbers then a CM Raven will kill almost everything on long ranges. In game it does not, at least thats my perception. Do you guys disagree?
Why ? Is it because it's bad ? Or is it because people never tryed it recently ?
Quote: If one just takes the numbers then a HML Drake would kill almost everything on long ranges (except the CM Raven :D). In game it does not either. Unlike the Raven it does work though in game. IMO not in a gamebreaking way, but others do disagree - hard to say who is right and who is not. Matter of fact is, this game is not Drake online, and if people would have to chose a race which they fly and have to stick with it I am pretty sure it would not be Caldari for most. Do you disagree there too?
HML Drake does kill everything up to it's size. It take a BS or a wel flown short range BC to kill a Drake.
And people do chose caldari and stick to it. That's the case for all the whiners in this thread, like if they could not learn another race.
Quote: Admitted, the HML Drake is good. And the damage at the end of HM-range may be too much out of line compared to its peers. If one does not want to buff the mlr turrets ability to do more DPS at those ranges then there comes only one thing to my mind which could solve that issue and not break balance in all other aspects (first of all the damage at all other ranges, which ends up being too low in comparison for HML if CCP just nerfs the absolute damage of existing ammo), and that would be giving HML some new t2 long range ammo which has far less DPS, longer range but less flight time too, and so will be on target much faster. And reduce the range of standard higher damage ammo, so this will not work as a long range ammunition any more.
Fozzy said you cannot go the power creep road in a sand box. You cannot buff everything each time forever. So you need the nerf hammer some times, and it's time to crush HML this time.
You are complaining about the delay, but it doesn't seem to be such a problem, seeing how used are the Drake and the Tengu *everywhere*. And you have long and short range ammo with the changes : faction ammo for long range, T2 for short range with either high damage or lower target damage application.
Quote: I think the best way would be something different though, first fix whats broken, and then check if this Drake/HML issue still exists. If it does not, then fine. If it does, also fine, because then everyone (who wants to stick with Caldari and missiles!) can just use something else with the same race and weapon tree. And thats the main point, unlike any other race Caldari dont have those options. It has been admitted before by others here, .. working torp BS? Use the Phoon. Working HAM? Go for Legion or Sacrilege (or Tengu, ok - but certainly not an option for average players to PvP only with t3s, right?) .. working Cruises? Nothing at all.
They are fixing HAM and Torp AT THE SAME TIME. But still, every HML whiner come here to cry, completely ignoring the buff all other missiles are receiving.
Quote: Eve is very complex. Ignoring softstats, ship attributes and curent metagame in this comparison will not give a good basis for balancing. Thats my opinion, and others might disagree, again. Still I am sure those things matter a lot more than most who promote the nerf as "needed" or "balanced" here admit.
Eve is complex, and yet, there is some way to understand *exactly* how these changes will affect raw damage and range.
With the new explosion radius HAM will have, you will be able to murder any tackled frigate. An AB cruiser will take 25% of torp dps, which is still correct provided it's the best counter to missiles damage. TPed cruiser in torp range will be doomed, and I'm affraid non AB frigates will die too. So what does Torp and HAM need to be working system for you ? Old HAM and Torp had difficulties to apply their damage, but with the GMP skill applyed, it's day and night between them and new ones. FYI : http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/knof/eve_missiles.swf |
Major Killz
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
101
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Posted - 2012.10.20 11:22:00 -
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I would say Amarr has WAY more issues sub-battleships. Some would say Gallente is even worse, but I don't agree with that completely.
Almost all Caldari ships are viable and almost all if not all Minmatar ships are viable comparatively. For the most part, I cant say the same about Amarr sub-battleships v0v [SMUG]-áSORRY for party rocking! v0v
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Noemi Nagano
State War Academy Caldari State
76
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Posted - 2012.10.20 12:00:00 -
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Bouh Revetoile wrote: That question is irrelevant.
In fact its not irrelevant at all, but I understand your answer - you have no first hand experience with missiles and Caldari. Thanks.
Bouh Revetoile wrote: And now, explosion radiius of HAM will be buffed. Isn't it exactly what HAM needed ? Duh. Oh, and web, do you know it ? Cool module in fact.
I know webs, I know TPs. Explosion radius will be buffed a little bit by a skill applying to it which didnt apply before. We will see how it works. My bet goes for HAM will still not be first choice or on par with first choice for close combat. At least not on Caldari hulls. We will see if I am wrong. But I think you are :)
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
204
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Posted - 2012.10.20 12:14:00 -
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Noemi Nagano wrote:I know webs, I know TPs.
And "the only problem" is that you have to lose tank to fit those? Am I right? |
Bouh Revetoile
Barricade.
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Posted - 2012.10.20 12:17:00 -
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Noemi Nagano wrote:Bouh Revetoile wrote: That question is irrelevant.
In fact its not irrelevant at all, but I understand your answer - you have no first hand experience with missiles and Caldari. Thanks. Bouh Revetoile wrote: And now, explosion radiius of HAM will be buffed. Isn't it exactly what HAM needed ? Duh. Oh, and web, do you know it ? Cool module in fact.
I know webs, I know TPs. Explosion radius will be buffed a little bit by a skill applying to it which didnt apply before. We will see how it works. My bet goes for HAM will still not be first choice or on par with first choice for close combat. At least not on Caldari hulls. We will see if I am wrong. But I think you are :) And you still don't have answered the only question that matter : what does HAM and Torp need ?
BTW, no, missile experience is irrelevant if you are smart enough to argue and discuss my arguments. That is basic rhetoric : people may be whoever they want, they may even die eventually, but the words are still there, and they are not less true because of the death of who said them. Only the words matter here, not the people writing them. I don't want to believe you but to understand you. |
Noemi Nagano
State War Academy Caldari State
76
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Posted - 2012.10.20 12:53:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Noemi Nagano wrote:I know webs, I know TPs. And "the only problem" is that you have to lose tank to fit those? Am I right?
no, you are wrong :) but your postings dont matter do me anyway, so why do I even answer. :) |
Noemi Nagano
State War Academy Caldari State
76
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Posted - 2012.10.20 12:55:00 -
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Bouh Revetoile wrote:
BTW, no, missile experience is irrelevant if you are smart enough to argue and discuss my arguments. That is basic rhetoric : people may be whoever they want, they may even die eventually, but the words are still there, and they are not less true because of the death of who said them. Only the words matter here, not the people writing them. I don't want to believe you but to understand you.
Go fly Caldari missile ships and learn first hand. If you dont want to - fine. But dont expect others then to explain everything from the very beginning. Its just boring to do so, esp. since others here have done that already. :) |
Noemi Nagano
State War Academy Caldari State
76
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Posted - 2012.10.20 13:08:00 -
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Bouh Revetoile wrote:Noemi Nagano wrote:If one just takes the numbers then a CM Raven will kill almost everything on long ranges. In game it does not, at least thats my perception. Do you guys disagree?
Why ? Is it because it's bad ? Or is it because people never tryed it recently ?
Thats exactly what I mean. Someone with this idea cant get help by words. Go out, fly it, enjoy. |
Bouh Revetoile
Barricade.
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Posted - 2012.10.20 13:08:00 -
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Noemi Nagano wrote:Go fly Caldari missile ships and learn first hand. If you dont want to - fine. But dont expect others then to explain everything from the very beginning. Its just boring to do so, esp. since others here have done that already. :) You still never had pointed what the problem of HAM and Torp was beside damage application. Maybe there is not any other problem ?
Maybe you are lazy, but maybe you don't know because you don't even understand how your weapon system work, or maybe you are wrong ? Maybe you are that stupid ? Who knows if you don't want to talk... |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
204
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Posted - 2012.10.20 13:13:00 -
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Bouh Revetoile wrote:Noemi Nagano wrote:Go fly Caldari missile ships and learn first hand. If you dont want to - fine. But dont expect others then to explain everything from the very beginning. Its just boring to do so, esp. since others here have done that already. :) You still never had pointed what the problem of HAM and Torp was beside damage application. Maybe there is not any other problem ? Maybe you are lazy, but maybe you don't know because you don't even understand how your weapon system work, or maybe you are wrong ? Maybe you are that stupid ? Who knows if you don't want to talk...
No, it's because she wants one sized missile system for everything. |
Noemi Nagano
State War Academy Caldari State
76
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Posted - 2012.10.20 13:38:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Bouh Revetoile wrote:Noemi Nagano wrote:Go fly Caldari missile ships and learn first hand. If you dont want to - fine. But dont expect others then to explain everything from the very beginning. Its just boring to do so, esp. since others here have done that already. :) You still never had pointed what the problem of HAM and Torp was beside damage application. Maybe there is not any other problem ? Maybe you are lazy, but maybe you don't know because you don't even understand how your weapon system work, or maybe you are wrong ? Maybe you are that stupid ? Who knows if you don't want to talk... No, it's because she wants one sized missile system for everything.
wrong again, and so easy to see for anyone who cares to read my postings here. |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
204
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Posted - 2012.10.20 14:01:00 -
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Noemi Nagano wrote:wrong again, and so easy to see for anyone who cares to read my postings here.
Maybe torps aren't meant for frig killing? |
Bouh Revetoile
Barricade.
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Posted - 2012.10.20 14:06:00 -
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I found it ! She want 70km ranged HAM and frig killing torpedoes ! |
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Omarosas
1st Steps Academy Fidelas Constans
0
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Posted - 2012.10.20 14:09:00 -
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Time to train up turret skills and abandon missiles...what a waste of SP |
Noemi Nagano
State War Academy Caldari State
76
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Posted - 2012.10.20 14:32:00 -
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While you two clowns (one with no clue at all and the other with no Caldari or missile experience apart from being killed by them) go on with your really valuable posting, I still hope some others get it :)
Bouh Revetoile wrote:I found it ! She want 70km ranged HAM and frig killing torpedoes !
Jorma Morkkis wrote:Noemi Nagano wrote:wrong again, and so easy to see for anyone who cares to read my postings here. Maybe torps aren't meant for frig killing?
I should have known you were trolls from the moment on when this Raven fitting was posted/Raven was considered to be an option. So yeah, have to take that one.
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Bouh Revetoile
Barricade.
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Posted - 2012.10.20 14:43:00 -
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You have no real solo kill, so why are we reading you ? |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
205
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Posted - 2012.10.20 14:49:00 -
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Noemi Nagano wrote:While you two clowns (one with no clue at all and the other with no Caldari or missile experience apart from being killed by them) go on with your really valuable posting, I still hope some others get it :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYezgyi3M80 |
Vokradacka
Hedion University Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2012.10.20 17:13:00 -
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Sry guys , but torps ill get insignificant buff .. they ill be still sux . = caldari small weapons sux , caldari large weapons sux , caldari medium weapons mediocre ( nerf HML , little buffed HAMs) ...deal with it . train winmatar as rest of us . |
Daichi Yamato
Swamp Bucket Swamp Bucket Empire
47
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Posted - 2012.10.20 17:27:00 -
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OT Smithers wrote:
It's generally more useful to try to understand WHY people disagree with you rather than assuming that they are all fools who lack your wisdom and insight.
In any case, if CCP agrees with you then no problem. Missiles will be nerfed and, in your opinion, no one will care. Caldari pilots will go on as they always do, their main (and, in some respects, only) combat ship will be that much less effective, but they won't mind because they will know that one day, some day, CCP will fix their other ships and weapons. On that magical day some years from now Caldari pilots will log in to discover that they finally have working versions of the ships and weapons the other races enjoy today, and the millions of skill points they invested will suddenly have value.
But it is possible that you are wrong.
It is possible that some Caldari players -- perhaps hundreds or even thousands -- are tired of waiting for magical "some days" and are sick of seeing the little that they do have nerfed. It is possible that Caldari players will not understand or accept that CCPs solution to broken ships like the Cerberus is to nerf it some more. It's possible that hundreds or even thousands of Caldari players were already distrustful or even angry with CCP even prior to all this. It's possible.
You don't agree with me, but I think CCP is playing with dynamite. If they keep kicking it, as they have promised to do, it might very well explode. I think CCP needs to take a step back and give some serious thought to the Caldari situation overall. They need to stop talking nerfs and start talking about fixes.
In my opinion.
this may have been a more gracious response than i deserve so a hat tipping to u o`7
caldari are used in pvp and pve. and not just drakes and tengus. Falcons, rokhs scorps etc are quite common. because of this, i think the premise that caldari are a broken race is simply wrong as long as ppl are happy to fly them in the numbers they do. not every caldari ship is being flown by a die hard caldari roleplayer. ppl choose to fly these ships because they are effective, and in some cases, the leaders of their fields. Every single race has its ships that dnt see much use, not just caldari
similarly, the near total absence of medium beams and rails would also suggest there is some kind of balance gap between them and the other weapons in their niche (it is the HML's that need changing). This nerf is attempting to address that, and future expansions will likely address the balance gaps (including the ones for the cerberus and nighthawk) between certain ships.
ppl can be (over) dramatic about these changes if they want, but i'm betting 500mil isk and a meal of hardware that they are a minority |
Cerlin
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Posted - 2012.10.20 17:50:00 -
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"Tracking mod and disruptor changes moved out of this release until the first set of changes settles a bit"
Can we please have this back in? It was finally making ewar changes legit and give missiles a way to buff themselves with tracking enhancers. As it stands a TD frig cant tackle a missile boat well, and you are keeping this trend up. Why take this out? Please add at least some form of this so TD can still be useful. Why does it feel like ECM is the only type of EWAR that actually works? Please change this back.
I do a lot of small frig/ship pvp and this change was one of the best this patch. Without this and now only a 10% nerf to HM damage you are changing very little. And for a small ship, you are making the HM hit HARDER with no way to counter (which would be the TD) change. Why are we showing so much love to the battle cruiser weapon EVERYONE uses and neglecting the frig sid? |
Noemi Nagano
State War Academy Caldari State
76
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Posted - 2012.10.20 17:56:00 -
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Cerlin wrote:Without this and now only a 10% nerf to HM damage you are changing very little. And for a small ship, you are making the HM hit HARDER
how so? Please explain how you come to this conclusion :) hint: you might have missed the changes to explosion radius of precisions ... |
Mazzerri Aurilen
Serious Internet Spaceship Holding Company IMPERIAL LEGI0N
12
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Posted - 2012.10.20 18:02:00 -
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So if I understand the modification, CCP wanted to decrease the range of HM's but in turn increased their effective range. Okay, I can work with that because it is nothing I was not use to but then bring back 60% of the damge which was going to be taken awy from Heavy Missiles? Wait, there is more!! The best counter I have heard in years (tracking disruptors on missiles) gets pushed back for a long time. Why even do all this work for such a small change. Well besides the fact you might have bad a missile boat harder to tackle then an AC boat. Disapprove |
Noemi Nagano
State War Academy Caldari State
76
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Posted - 2012.10.20 18:30:00 -
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Mazzerri Aurilen wrote:So if I understand the modification, CCP wanted to decrease the range of HM's but in turn increased their effective range. Okay, I can work with that because it is nothing I was not use to but then bring back 60% of the damge which was going to be taken awy from Heavy Missiles? Wait, there is more!! The best counter I have heard in years (tracking disruptors on missiles) gets pushed back for a long time. Why even do all this work for such a small change. Well besides the fact you might have bad a missile boat harder to tackle then an AC boat. Disapprove
I really dont get the point of your posting, what do you mean with "increased their effective range"? :) |
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