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OT Smithers
BLOMI
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Posted - 2012.10.16 15:28:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Opertone wrote: I am afraid that messing with my torpedoes will make my Golem very sad. Now buff my damage output on torpedoes and I can forget about your horrible missile debuf idea.
This proposed change is a very significant buff to torpedoes.
Even with these changes there is still no reason to fly a Caldari Torpedo BS. And Cruise Missiles remain a joke.
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Warde Guildencrantz
TunDraGon
147
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Posted - 2012.10.16 15:33:00 -
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OT Smithers wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Opertone wrote: I am afraid that messing with my torpedoes will make my Golem very sad. Now buff my damage output on torpedoes and I can forget about your horrible missile debuf idea.
This proposed change is a very significant buff to torpedoes. Even with these changes there is still no reason to fly a Caldari Torpedo BS. And Cruise Missiles remain a joke.
i was under the impression that fozzie was talking about torpedoes as a weapon, not cruise missiles, and not caldari BSes which have not gone through a balancing pass as of yet.
Cruise missiles will undoubtedly be looked at soon, as well as making the raven more PvP worthy rather than just a straight PvE runner. |
Sofia Wolf
Ubuntu Inc. Varangon Tagma
66
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Posted - 2012.10.16 16:17:00 -
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Fozzie do you plan to reduce power requirements for armour plates? With new reduced cane power grid IGÇÖm having trouble seeing how armor cane will remain viable. Armor tanking is already less favourite choice on canes compared to shield tanking, and given that shield tanks are less power hungry then armor tanks this disparity will grow even bigger. |
Gypsio III
Chemikals Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
398
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Posted - 2012.10.16 16:35:00 -
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OT Smithers wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Opertone wrote: I am afraid that messing with my torpedoes will make my Golem very sad. Now buff my damage output on torpedoes and I can forget about your horrible missile debuf idea.
This proposed change is a very significant buff to torpedoes. Even with these changes there is still no reason to fly a Caldari Torpedo BS. And Cruise Missiles remain a joke.
That's because it's well understood that the problems with current torp Raven are located within both torps and the Raven hull itself, so you can hardly expect changes which don't address the Raven to solve the problem. Likewise with Cruise. So we'll just have to wait until tiericide gets to BS. Although Cruise is a really complicated problem...
Still, the torp GMP change is a very hefty boost - people have talked about cutting torp explosion radius down to 400 m before, but here CCP charge straight in with a cut to 337.5 m! That means full torp damage to a webbed Drake, no loss of damage to the hard signature cap. More of a problem is the entire utility of BS in small-gang combat where mobility is life, but, again, that's a BS problem, not a missile one, so don't look for a solely missile solution.
I do not believe that the GMP boost to rockets is justified, particularly in conjunction with Jav rockets becoming useful. |
Harvey James
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
71
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Posted - 2012.10.16 16:46:00 -
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well rockets already have a sig rad of 20 for T1 which is lower than drones!!! and T2 rage 34 javelin is even less they do need to change that for sure |
OT Smithers
BLOMI
251
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Posted - 2012.10.16 16:54:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:
We base our balancing decisions on the good of the game....
I will be brief.
This issue is a whole lot bigger than the Drake. The perception CCP has given many Caldari players is that it is always Hot-Drop O'Clock when it comes to sticking it to them. Again, itGÇÖs not about the Drake, itGÇÖs about the entire picture.
You need to actually FIX some of the many broken Caldari ships.
They need to be good enough that people from other races wish, if only briely, that they had trained to fly them. Right now thatGÇÖs not the case. Ever. Even with this winter update. The opposite is always true. No one who can fly the Vagabond wishes they could trade it for the Cerberus. No one is looking at the new Rupture or Vexor and wishing they could fly the new joke Moa instead. No one wants to swap their battleship, any battleship, for a Raven. No one is bummed because they are stuck flying the crappy Thrasher. No one has ever said, GÇ£Man that Nighthawk sure is a sweet ship compared to this piece of junk Sleipner.GÇ¥ Hell, the new Minmatar EWAR cruiser will be a better missile boat than the Caldari missile boat. How silly is that? The problem isnGÇÖt the new Bellicose, itGÇÖs the way you build Caldari ships. ItGÇÖs CCPGÇÖs Caldari standard which seems to be:
Aspire to mediocrityGǪthen fail to hit the mark.
ThatGÇÖs what you guys have got to change. The Drake might be overpowered, but worrying about that is like trying to figure out how much to leave for a tip when you left your empty wallet at home. |
Qaidan Alenko
State War Academy Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2012.10.16 17:07:00 -
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TheLast Poofighter wrote: ==Snip == It seems like there really could be all kinds of creative solutions and the route taken was rather bland and boring. Defender pulses, defender arrays, robo-nano-dragons, cloaked defender missiles - really, you have a whole universe of creative options here. ==Snip == I read this part and a Anti-Missile Defense style Sentry Drone went zipping through my head... |
Harvey James
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
71
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Posted - 2012.10.16 17:08:00 -
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Yes i would like to see the caracal getting a stronger bonus say 7.5% to ROF and the bellicose losing a medium drone to balance them a bit more after-all surely the caracal should do more dps than a ewar cruiser and being an attack cruiser surely it should be lighter and faster too the bellicose is lighter and quicker than most of the cruisers how does that make sense? |
Noemi Nagano
State War Academy Caldari State
72
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Posted - 2012.10.16 17:13:00 -
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Bouh Revetoile wrote: <- snip -> tons of clueless stuff deleted) <- snip ->
Now Noemi, stop writing until it is for posting your killboard please, and with *relevant* pvp, and go for some lvl4 missions with your drake ? Or just stop talking about my gallente "skills".
I posted one of my alts KB. If you cant read I wont help. And I dont do l4s in a Drake. If I do them (which I sometimes do) then I take either my Mare or my Mach. Guess why :)
Your Gallente "skills" (its good you set it in quotation marks :D ) clearly excelled when you fitted those 2 ships. Even better they were when you failed to see a big difference of Harbinger and Drake - their drone bay. And bandwith. Although I thought you should be familiar with drones, as a Gallente pilot ... |
Noemi Nagano
State War Academy Caldari State
72
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Posted - 2012.10.16 17:21:00 -
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OT Smithers wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Opertone wrote: I am afraid that messing with my torpedoes will make my Golem very sad. Now buff my damage output on torpedoes and I can forget about your horrible missile debuf idea.
This proposed change is a very significant buff to torpedoes. Even with these changes there is still no reason to fly a Caldari Torpedo BS. And Cruise Missiles remain a joke.
Quoted again. For truth again.
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Noemi Nagano
State War Academy Caldari State
72
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Posted - 2012.10.16 17:28:00 -
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OT Smithers wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:
We base our balancing decisions on the good of the game....
I will be brief. This issue is a whole lot bigger than the Drake. The perception CCP has given many Caldari players is that it is always Hot-Drop O'Clock when it comes to sticking it to them. Again, itGÇÖs not about the Drake, itGÇÖs about the entire picture. You need to actually FIX some of the many broken Caldari ships. They need to be good enough that people from other races wish, if only briely, that they had trained to fly them. Right now thatGÇÖs not the case. Ever. Even with this winter update. The opposite is always true. No one who can fly the Vagabond wishes they could trade it for the Cerberus. No one is looking at the new Rupture or Vexor and wishing they could fly the new joke Moa instead. No one wants to swap their battleship, any battleship, for a Raven. No one is bummed because they are stuck flying the crappy Thrasher. No one has ever said, GÇ£Man that Nighthawk sure is a sweet ship compared to this piece of junk Sleipner.GÇ¥ Hell, the new Minmatar EWAR cruiser will be a better missile boat than the Caldari missile boat. How silly is that? The problem isnGÇÖt the new Bellicose, itGÇÖs the way you build Caldari ships. ItGÇÖs CCPGÇÖs Caldari standard which seems to be: Aspire to mediocrityGǪthen fail to hit the mark. ThatGÇÖs what you guys have got to change. The Drake might be overpowered, but worrying about that is like trying to figure out how much to leave for a tip when you left your empty wallet at home.
Fozzie, really: listen to this guy. Thats whats the feeling for most people who like to fly Caldari. I know there are some who are different. But really most *I* know feel exactly like that. Doesnt mean all of them will stick to Caldari, some just adapt and crosstrain... But its just pointless to treat an entire race like that. And when was the last time someone chose to crosstrain to Caldari? Ever? (if it was not just the ship skills for Gurista or Sansha ships ...) |
Irregessa
Obfuscation and Reflections
6
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Posted - 2012.10.16 17:31:00 -
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Onictus wrote:Borascus wrote: If you need 3 or more drakes to take it down missiles are too weak.
I'll throw you a question then. Why exactly do you think the other three races use battleships over level 3? I'll give you three guesses.
That is 2 guesses too many. |
Mr Floydy
The Xenodus Initiative. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
38
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Posted - 2012.10.16 17:32:00 -
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OT Smithers wrote:You need to actually FIX some of the many broken Caldari ships.
They need to be good enough that people from other races wish, if only briely, that they had trained to fly them. Right now thatGÇÖs not the case. Ever. Even with this winter update. The opposite is always true. No one who can fly the Vagabond wishes they could trade it for the Cerberus. ***etc***
You'll find that there are many people who sit and think "why the hell did I train for this recon, I should have got a Falcon." Lots of people (atleast... PvErs) will sit there and think "why on earth did I train for this Legion/Prot/Loki I should have got a Tengu" and I'm sure plenty of people will sit there thinking "why bother with other BCs when you can use a drake that can do similar dps at 5x the range whilst tanking better and not even needing to be actively piloted."
Don't get me wrong, I'm well aware that Caldari have some terrible ships (I'm struggling to find a pvp option I like for my alt, so she's cross trained amarr for a HAM Legion) but they definitely have some plus sides. All the races have some ships that just can't serve a utility. Look at the current Amarr T1 cruiser range and the Prophecy. Aside from the Arbitrator they're all completely and utterly pointless. (and currently looking to be much better when the expansion lands!)
The changes Fozzie is making here with missiles and through the frig/destroyer/cruiser lines will work towards fixing some of the flaws that exist at the moment, as the balancing changes work through Battlecruisers and Battleships I'm sure things will even out through all ship types. I sure hope so as I'd love to be able to go fly a Nighthawk on my alt as it looks sweet :D |
Aldeb Haraz
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
9
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Posted - 2012.10.16 17:34:00 -
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OT Smithers wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:
We base our balancing decisions on the good of the game....
They need to be good enough that people from other races wish, if only briely, that they had trained to fly them. Right now thatGÇÖs not the case. Ever. Even with this winter update. The opposite is always true. .
Right, all those Caldari ships are trash. Starting at the bottom:
Griffin Merlin Hawk Harpy Kitsune Flycatcher CN Hookbill Blackbird Falcon Rook Basilisk Onyx Tengu Ferox Drake Vulture Rokh Widow Nightmare Rattlesnake Chimera
These ships make up a large portion of the Caldari lineup and are all extremely relevant in PVP. They are all viable, and usually the best ship in their class. The myth that has been perpetuated that Caldari is trash in PVP and is only successful because of HML ships is factually wrong and should be put to rest.
Come winter, we also see the rest of the cruisers brought up: the Osprey becomes a strong support ship, the Caracal very effective at applying DPS at medium range, the Moa a decent shield brawler, and even forgotten ships like NH and Cerb can now make decent HAM fits. |
Irregessa
Obfuscation and Reflections
6
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Posted - 2012.10.16 17:39:00 -
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Mr Floydy wrote:
The changes Fozzie is making here with missiles and through the frig/destroyer/cruiser lines will work towards fixing some of the flaws that exist at the moment, as the balancing changes work through Battlecruisers and Battleships I'm sure things will even out through all ship types. I sure hope so as I'd love to be able to go fly a Nighthawk on my alt as it looks sweet :D
The way I look at it is that the ships that are broken now will be even more broken after the missile change, until they are rebalanced to make them useable again. It isn't like many people are using them now, so there isn't a lot of difference between 'broken' and 'even more broken'.
Having said that, the caracal should theoretically rebalanced as it is presented in this forum, right? |
Mr Floydy
The Xenodus Initiative. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
38
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Posted - 2012.10.16 17:39:00 -
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Chimera? notsureifserious
Only any good if you pimp fit it and are in a Pulsar wormhole. |
TheLast Poofighter
Squirrel Horde Habitat Against Humanity
3
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Posted - 2012.10.16 17:44:00 -
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Onictus wrote:TheLast Poofighter wrote:I am not sure I understand the reasoning behind making the missile platform behave like a turret platform. My understanding is that there are two separate skill trees as they are intended to behave and perform differently - I think most of the changes proposed would be widely accepted if the secondary skills of missiles were reimbursed and merge gunnery and missile skill trees to a "turrets" skill tree. As it would stand now this just seems like a huge hit to newer players who may have not cross trained for both disciplines (guns and missiles that is) and to one specific race that really isn't geared for pvp anyway. Why? Missiles are applicable to all four races, as are the turret support skills. New players that AREN'T Caldari have to deal with this anyway. I'm an Angle pilot given the choice, I much prefer gallente and matar. However, I can also fly all four races BS and down with T2 weapons. The newer "caldari" players get to share the experince of newer Amarr, Gallente and Matari players and crosstrain. TheLast Poofighter wrote: Also I don't understand the reasoning of "defender missiles take up too much cpu so to fix a problem we are going to make everything behave the same." While I know that isn't a direct quote, it was kinda how it came across. Is it that difficult to fix a great idea that works very well for npc battle ships in level 4? It seems like there really could be all kinds of creative solutions and the route taken was rather bland and boring. Defender pulses, defender arrays, robo-nano-dragons, cloaked defender missiles - really, you have a whole universe of creative options here. I have always appreciated the complex Paper, Rock, Scissors nature of Eve but this change just kinda seems like we all get a rock. My rant is finished I am going to watch a Charlie Brown Halloween and wait for the extended DT to finish.
Their issue with defenders is hardware resources. For the rest of us smartbombs do fine. TheLast Poofighter wrote: PS - My daughter who has Down Syndrome is an avid player of Eve. I thought it would be a good idea for her to take up mining to prepare her for potential disappointments - however, she took more to POS management. She like to set up complex designs and shapes for hours on end. Her POS is large Amarr tower which she like to call "the Broken Potato Peeler." Would it be possible for the anchoring/un-anchoring and onlining/offlining times to get buffed?
You have no idea how most of us wish that lol
I think I stated why but here is another reason - because missle apocs, maels, hyperions and megathrons are just silly
Agreed - defenders use too many resources but a smart bomb does not why not fix this rather than homogenize? But this point confuses me further. So there are already mechanics in place that counter the "the amazingly high" dps of these long range weapons? Like the Firewall and alpha mael fleet? Are these hardware resource hogs? Again this sounds like lazy way out - maybe nerf the amount time dev's spend on the forums and buff the time they spend on developing.
And to address your final point - yes, somehow I knew my daughter with Downs could appeal to -A-. |
TheLast Poofighter
Squirrel Horde Habitat Against Humanity
3
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Posted - 2012.10.16 17:47:00 -
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Qaidan Alenko wrote:TheLast Poofighter wrote: ==Snip == It seems like there really could be all kinds of creative solutions and the route taken was rather bland and boring. Defender pulses, defender arrays, robo-nano-dragons, cloaked defender missiles - really, you have a whole universe of creative options here. ==Snip == I read this part and a Anti-Missile Defense style Sentry Drone went zipping through my head...
You sir should get paid for that idea - much more interesting than a nerf. Yet alas, I can sympathize with CCP Fozzie. I am sure it is very difficult to live up to such debacles as Incarna. |
Mr Floydy
The Xenodus Initiative. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
38
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Posted - 2012.10.16 17:47:00 -
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Irregessa wrote:The way I look at it is that the ships that are broken now will be even more broken after the missile change, until they are rebalanced to make them useable again. It isn't like many people are using them now, so there isn't a lot of difference between 'broken' and 'even more broken'.
Having said that, the caracal should theoretically rebalanced as it is presented in this forum, right?
I've not really looked at the suggested new Caracal stats in any detail, but I'd imagine the way it has been balanced takes into account the missile changes. If anyone thinks it doesn't - go post in detail why so Fozzie can see it!
Without sitting there with a calculator and working out the dps figures with the changes to missiles I don't think things look too bad for them. Yes HML are getting a much needed nerf, but you lose the really lame missile penalties, HAM become more easy to fit and I believe also higher peak dps with rage missiles (applying the damage is seperate) Caldari ships with their decent quantity of mid slots will need to adapt and fit more in the way of tackle (atleast a web/painter) to start making the most of the new missile systems and before long I'm sure everyone will be quite happy with their 700dps HAM drakes that still have 80k ehp :p
The thing as I see it, is that Caldari ships are now going to have to fit more than just a point in order to apply some dps, just like anyone with any form of turret does currently. You'll just no longer be able to sit at 70km going "haha heavy missiles lol" |
Daichi Yamato
Swamp Bucket Swamp Bucket Empire
36
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Posted - 2012.10.16 18:20:00 -
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Noemi Nagano wrote:
Fozzie, really: listen to this guy. Thats whats the feeling for most people who like to fly Caldari. I know there are some who are different. But really most *I* know feel exactly like that. Doesnt mean all of them will stick to Caldari, some just adapt and crosstrain... But its just pointless to treat an entire race like that. And when was the last time someone chose to crosstrain to Caldari? Ever? (if it was not just the ship skills for Gurista or Sansha ships ...)
still spouting bs
ppl cross train to caldari for merlins, drakes, tengus, rokhs, scorps, crows, falcons, basilisks, nagas.
ppl cross train to minmatar for less |
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Noemi Nagano
State War Academy Caldari State
72
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Posted - 2012.10.16 19:20:00 -
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Daichi Yamato wrote:Noemi Nagano wrote:
Fozzie, really: listen to this guy. Thats whats the feeling for most people who like to fly Caldari. I know there are some who are different. But really most *I* know feel exactly like that. Doesnt mean all of them will stick to Caldari, some just adapt and crosstrain... But its just pointless to treat an entire race like that. And when was the last time someone chose to crosstrain to Caldari? Ever? (if it was not just the ship skills for Gurista or Sansha ships ...)
still spouting bs ppl cross train to caldari for merlins, drakes, tengus, rokhs, scorps, crows, falcons, basilisks, nagas. ppl cross train to minmatar for less
Some of them - accepted. Caldari logis and Caldari ECM are decent. Caldari frigs are ok too. Naga and Rokh seem to be pretty popular, but never thought one would actually crosstrain for them. And dont forget ... they are gunnery ships, and whats the main point about this all? Caldari Missile PvP. So .. |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
831
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Posted - 2012.10.16 19:29:00 -
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Mr Floydy wrote:Chimera? notsureifserious
Only any good if you pimp fit it and are in a Pulsar wormhole.
Awesome to move your ships to the front with a nice Ship hangar bay. Nice corp hangar and decent cargo bay to add more stuff to front market and make some iskies.
Think about it like a rorkal but different. brb |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
201
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Posted - 2012.10.16 19:31:00 -
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Noemi Nagano wrote:Daichi Yamato wrote:Noemi Nagano wrote:
Fozzie, really: listen to this guy. Thats whats the feeling for most people who like to fly Caldari. I know there are some who are different. But really most *I* know feel exactly like that. Doesnt mean all of them will stick to Caldari, some just adapt and crosstrain... But its just pointless to treat an entire race like that. And when was the last time someone chose to crosstrain to Caldari? Ever? (if it was not just the ship skills for Gurista or Sansha ships ...)
still spouting bs ppl cross train to caldari for merlins, drakes, tengus, rokhs, scorps, crows, falcons, basilisks, nagas. ppl cross train to minmatar for less Some of them - accepted. Caldari logis and Caldari ECM are decent. Caldari frigs are ok too. Naga and Rokh seem to be pretty popular, but never thought one would actually crosstrain for them. And dont forget ... they are gunnery ships, and whats the main point about this all? Caldari Missile PvP. So ..
Jaguar, Wolf, Hurricane and Nado. 4 reasons for me to fly Minmatar. The race you call "OP" and "race with superior damage projection". |
Daichi Yamato
Swamp Bucket Swamp Bucket Empire
36
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Posted - 2012.10.16 19:38:00 -
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Noemi Nagano wrote:Daichi Yamato wrote:Noemi Nagano wrote:
Fozzie, really: listen to this guy. Thats whats the feeling for most people who like to fly Caldari. I know there are some who are different. But really most *I* know feel exactly like that. Doesnt mean all of them will stick to Caldari, some just adapt and crosstrain... But its just pointless to treat an entire race like that. And when was the last time someone chose to crosstrain to Caldari? Ever? (if it was not just the ship skills for Gurista or Sansha ships ...)
still spouting bs ppl cross train to caldari for merlins, drakes, tengus, rokhs, scorps, crows, falcons, basilisks, nagas. ppl cross train to minmatar for less Some of them - accepted. Caldari logis and Caldari ECM are decent. Caldari frigs are ok too. Naga and Rokh seem to be pretty popular, but never thought one would actually crosstrain for them. And dont forget ... they are gunnery ships, and whats the main point about this all? Caldari Missile PvP. So ..
it wasnt a completely comprehensive list: hawk and condor should be there too. im just doing this from the top of my head.
there are 3 turret ships there, 1 logi, 2 ecm and now 5 missile ships.
is it also worth mentioning there are no medium turret ships there? and 2 medium launcher ships? since this is about HML's versus medium LR turrets so... |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
234
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Posted - 2012.10.16 20:21:00 -
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Irregessa wrote:Onictus wrote:Borascus wrote: If you need 3 or more drakes to take it down missiles are too weak.
I'll throw you a question then. Why exactly do you think the other three races use battleships over level 3? I'll give you three guesses. That is 2 guesses too many, though the reason is that the drake has a tremendous tank compared to the other t1 BC.
Guess again, myrm and cyclone easily match a Drake's tank. |
Gypsio III
Chemikals Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
398
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Posted - 2012.10.16 20:38:00 -
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Caldari problems:
Phoenix. Largely pointless. Needs a reason to be flown in a world of blap dreads, armour capitals and lol-OP Moros. Chimera. Largely pointless. Needs a reason to be flown in a world of Archon and armour capitals.
Cruise. Poor DPS, poorish application of DPS, too slow. Offers no meaningful DPS advantage in a world where ranges beyond 150 km are of little use. Totally pointless.
Raven. Too flimsy, maybe another medslot? There is a wider problem with the lack of utility of BS in small-gang environments though. Not easy to fix.
Vulture. Lacks HP relative to the Damnation, partially obsoleted by link T3s, relatively limited call for shield ganglinks because of the importance of armour in heavy gangs and mobility in smaller gangs.
ECM. Broadly balanced but an utterly terrible mechanic. Needs a thorough rework Cerberus and Eagle. Obsoleted by other ships, no idea what to do here. Nighthawk. Awful PG. Largely pointless - partially because of Drake, partially because Field CS have no actual role.
Many of these ships suffer from the silly imbalances between armour and shield in different types of fleet - tricky to fix. The HACs need a role. All CS need a rework. Cruise and ECM need a thorough rework. |
Lili Lu
536
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Posted - 2012.10.16 20:52:00 -
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OT Smithers wrote:I will be brief.
This issue is a whole lot bigger than the Drake. The perception CCP has given many Caldari players is that it is always Hot-Drop O'Clock when it comes to sticking it to them. Again, itGÇÖs not about the Drake, itGÇÖs about the entire picture.
You need to actually FIX some of the many broken Caldari ships.
They need to be good enough that people from other races wish, if only briely, that they had trained to fly them. Right now thatGÇÖs not the case. Ever. Even with this winter update. The opposite is always true. No one who can fly the Vagabond wishes they could trade it for the Cerberus. No one is looking at the new Rupture or Vexor and wishing they could fly the new joke Moa instead. No one wants to swap their battleship, any battleship, for a Raven. No one is bummed because they are stuck flying the crappy Thrasher. No one has ever said, GÇ£Man that Nighthawk sure is a sweet ship compared to this piece of junk Sleipner.GÇ¥ Hell, the new Minmatar EWAR cruiser will be a better missile boat than the Caldari missile boat. How silly is that? The problem isnGÇÖt the new Bellicose, itGÇÖs the way you build Caldari ships. ItGÇÖs CCPGÇÖs Caldari standard which seems to be:
Aspire to mediocrityGǪthen fail to hit the mark.
ThatGÇÖs what you guys have got to change. The Drake might be overpowered, but worrying about that is like trying to figure out how much to leave for a tip when you left your empty wallet at home. What a load of whine. Ok let's examine Caldari options from the ships most used for kills in the game, from the eve-kill top 20. http://eve-kill.net/?a=top20
Minmatar 10 + half /20 Caldari has 5/20 Amarr has 3/20 Gallente has 1 + half/20
Caldari is hardly without options from that list. And that is just this month's stats. In previous months Merlins and Condors were in there.
Amarr has Zealots, Abaddons, and Oracles. The smaller two of the three ships have not been consistently in there (at least not in the positions they currently sit thanks to the new plates).
And then there's Gallente. Quite a lot of months there had been no representation other than the angel ships (half gallente but using projectile weapon skills).
So if anyone could post the whine you did it would be Gallente centric players. Funny though, they approach nowhere near the level of whine and sense of entitlement on the forums as Caldari centric players have. And ever since I've been playing this game Caldari have had a lock on pve. A lock which got even worse with the introduction of wormhole pve content that heavily favored Caldari ships.
Your complaint is not supported. |
Borascus
Red Core Paradigm Shift Alliance
70
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Posted - 2012.10.16 21:01:00 -
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Onictus wrote:Borascus wrote: If you need 3 or more drakes to take it down missiles are too weak.
I'll throw you a question then. Why exactly do you think the other three races use battleships over level 3? I'll give you three guesses.
I did this mission with tech 2 on a Hyperion.
The spawn in the mission has a large tank and I'm basing the test on 3 players for that COSMOS mission which is higher than any of the other missions; which can be solo'd.
It's a "missile rebalance" statistically speaking, testing heavy missiles there is a very good way to see if players will get a fair experience.
Reasons: The COSMOS Mission is a *0 standing to acquire mission*, meaning day one players could stumble upon it. They would then complete the first mission, and find out they can't complete the second mission *after accepting the mission*.
It would be a penalty. Finding one player to help in the early days of an EVE career is easy, finding two (that will work together) straight off the bat isn't.
When I ran it, the reward was a shield implant that had a buy order of 100mil (it can be any of several shield implants ranging from 1mil-100mil).
Its a fair test.
Although, using buffed torpedoes on a raven would probably be an easier solution. |
Noemi Nagano
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.10.16 21:22:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Jaguar, Wolf, Hurricane and Nado. 4 reasons for me to fly Minmatar. The race you call "OP" and "race with superior damage projection".
Where is the link for your combat alt? Go play EFT again Jorma.
Mael, Cyclone, Pest, Phoon, Vaga, Rifter, Rupture .. they are all viable. I dont say they are all OP. But its OP to have so many ships which are working, and look at how Rupture will get buffed.
Of those 5 missile ships I see only 2 medium hulls, and no large. Frigs are already balanced, no one questioned that. We are concerned about how it will end above frig size. |
Lili Lu
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Posted - 2012.10.16 21:34:00 -
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Noemi Nagano wrote: Where is the link for your combat alt? Go play EFT again Jorma. Maybe he'll link someone like you did but not post with that character. Still waiting for you to post with a character that has some pvp record. Linking is not enough. And, no, I'll still call you on your bullshit arguments even if you do. |
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