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Albetta
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Posted - 2011.07.06 18:09:00 -
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So I was listening to the radio today about the ethics of using Predator/ Reaper drones in a warzone, and they started talking about how very soon we are going to see domestic use of unmanned aircraft. Interestingly enough, FedEX is thinking about using cargo drones to ship packages. That got me thinking:
What if we had these in EVE?
Large drones, about the size of a frigate, that where just cargo holds with an engine and a nav system. You could program them like you do your autopilot: Tell them which systems to avoid, which systems to go through, which stations to dock up in, and which items to take where/get from. Then you send them out and chill while they make the journey themselves. They would navigate their course just like your ship's autopilot does, landing fifteen clicks off a gate then slowboating their way to it.
This might open up a whole new type of piracy. It would still be a crime to attack them in highsec space, but in areas 0.3 and lower the authorities wouldn't bat an eye. The drones wouldn't have any guns, but they could have slots that could recieve frigate fittings for speed/ armour.
Of course, thier holds wouldn't be big enough to fit huge loads in, just small items, maybe even packaged frigates. Big haulers wouldn't have any competition in them, but they would make gathering fittings you've bought a whole lot easier.
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shadowace00007
Amarr Beyond The Gates
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Posted - 2011.07.06 19:20:00 -
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I don't see how this would work. and I don't see this as a good idea. -1 from me buddy. ----------- Born Amarr, Raised Minmatar.
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Albetta
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Posted - 2011.07.06 20:47:00 -
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Originally by: shadowace00007 I don't see how this would work. and I don't see this as a good idea. -1 from me buddy.
Give me a specific example, I'll be pleased to answer any doubts you may have in-depth
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Oregin
Red Sky Morning BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.07.07 02:17:00 -
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If you don't like playing this game, why do you do?
But no, seriously:
1) couriering is a micro-profession in EVE for one, you'd put people out of business. 2) it ruins local system economies - if it doesn't matter what system you buy things from then suddenly all systems will be competing on one price per item. As it stands currently you can sell something away from trade hubs as long as its cheaper, this would disappear. 3) it encourages sheer laziness.
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Savage Breed
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Posted - 2011.07.07 04:08:00 -
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Actually, this is a brilliant idea.
Yes, there are people who make a living in eve as haulers ... but I'm not one of them. Haulers fly transports and freighters and make their money on hauling big contracts between trade hubs. It's all about volume and scale, two things that my hauling needs lack. They will never take my contract to haul my two interceptors or a paltry 1000m3 of ammo out to some back water low sec entry point.
So instead I have to do the hauling myself ... in fact half to a quarter of my game time is spent hauling crap or ferrying ships from one point to another. And I hate it, I hate logistics. It cuts into game time and therefore makes EVE less enjoyable.
Therefore it would be very advantageous to implement a courier drone. Not as a small frigate size, but as a proper hauler. Say a T2 derivative of of the racial industrials, or a stand alone ORE ship. Capacity should be something worth while, but not so big as to make regular industrials and transports obsolete. Say 5000m3 plus 1000m3/lv of an 'Automated Industrial' skill, big enough to carry a cruiser around at lv5. The ship would have no slots for modules or rigs and would be very slow, having both a low top speed and autopiloting everywhere.
How would it be controlled? Easy; just create a courier contract for which there will be an extra option 'assign to your courier drone'. Players should only get one drone/character. If you want to issue orders directly to a drone, right clicking would have an extra option of 'open drone control panel'. When in space, the courier would bear the owners name (Savage Breed's Courier) and standings ... so be careful.
Would this put haulers out of business? Certainly not .. as they would have access to these drones as well, so now they can have two ships running in eve while they are afk. =)
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Fullmetal Jackass
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Posted - 2011.07.07 04:13:00 -
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I hear a lot of "whaaaaah, I can't be assed out to move anything on my own, so make it legal to hauler bot".
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Yanshee
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Posted - 2011.07.07 04:18:00 -
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Originally by: Oregin 2) it ruins local system economies
Effectively makes each region have a generic price for each item. Kills off a lot of what makes the EVE market so engaging.
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Albetta
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Posted - 2011.07.07 04:43:00 -
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Originally by: Oregin If you don't like playing this game, why do you do?
But no, seriously:
1) couriering is a micro-profession in EVE for one, you'd put people out of business. 2) it ruins local system economies - if it doesn't matter what system you buy things from then suddenly all systems will be competing on one price per item. As it stands currently you can sell something away from trade hubs as long as its cheaper, this would disappear. 3) it encourages sheer laziness.
1) But the drones would have small cargo holds that wouldn't give any serious haulers competition. Big freight is where the money is at. 2) This won't make people haul more, just use the drone to do it for items not worth jumping forty trips round trip. 3) EVE needs less busy-work. Most people just AFK autopilot anyways, this just streamlines the process into something that isn't a total pain in the ass.
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Oregin
Red Sky Morning BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.07.07 04:57:00 -
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Edited by: Oregin on 07/07/2011 04:57:50 I think you misunderstand point 2...
It's not really to do with hauling at all. It's simply a matter of everything that everybody buys will be from the cheapest place regardless of where it is because they don't have to move for it.
This means all across a region the market prices will level out as everyone starts competing ONLY on price as opposed to price and, the important factor, convenience.
If you make it equally convenient to buy from Jita as opposed to buying from the back of beyond in that region then the people who were making their profit through small mark ups in mission stations etc. have lost out.
It effectively kills the system by system market PVP off and ruins this incredible virtual economy that we have... all because you don't want to have to go and fetch something.
The convenience you're looking for is already available in the game, it just costs you.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2011.07.07 05:47:00 -
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Originally by: Albetta 1) But the drones would have small cargo holds that wouldn't give any serious haulers competition. Big freight is where the money is at.
Using a huge cargo hold to carry a number of courier packages is where the money is at.
Quote: 2) This won't make people haul more, just use the drone to do it for items not worth jumping forty trips round trip.
It will make people haul less, including the courier pilots.
Quote: 3) EVE needs less busy-work. Most people just AFK autopilot anyways, this just streamlines the process into something that isn't a total pain in the ass.
Pain in the arse for you maybe. The people picking up courier jobs will often pick up a small courier package to fill in the spare space. Just because you can't be bothered to put together a courier contract doesn't mean CCP has to cater to your needs.
Either put together a courier contract, or do without that shiny thing from 40 jumps away.
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shadowace00007
Amarr Beyond The Gates
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Posted - 2011.07.07 13:06:00 -
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Originally by: Albetta
Originally by: shadowace00007 I don't see how this would work. and I don't see this as a good idea. -1 from me buddy.
Give me a specific example, I'll be pleased to answer any doubts you may have in-depth
Specific example on how it would not work. No drone, fighter, or bomber can be controlled over a system currently. So in essence not only are you adding a new drone, Interface, and system to control them. You would have to add a way to control a drone threw systems and in the case a system is put onto a reinforce server, cross the servers but still be connected to you.
Example on why its a bad idea. (Why do I even have to say this) No one would hull anymore. You would kill profit for people who hull for a living. Let alone a crash in the hulling contracts. I am not even going to talk about how PVP would hurt from this because if you cant see that then you should not be posting ideas. ----------- Born Amarr, Raised Minmatar.
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