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Xavender
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Posted - 2011.07.04 06:03:00 -
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last day on account last day on Eve - but an offer to make: Eve Cloned - gain non-exclusive to Eve codebase from CCP and revive pre-Incarna Eve as seperate company. Read on...
I am an IT person w/ expertise in large networked systems and enterprise database - heart of Eve technology besides the stackless client.
I would like to make CCP an offer for a non-exclusive right to stand up an Eve Cloned MMO using their existing archived codebase and database schema up through Incursion last patch.
I know I could pick up 10,000 subscribers on week 1 and grow from there.
I would also like an option to import all of the player existing database data so everyone can start from where they were a month ago - pre Incarna.
I will setup a better team to do all game and customer support - and actually provide improved support. With a game as complex as Eve I will increase the support request petition count per player to fifty instead of two.
I will not add any new features for a long time TBD. I may remove a few things like BOTs and players that do nothing but sit in trade hubs and spam. But I would let the community vote and honor the community majority position on all controversial issues.
My team will only patch and fix all (all means ALL) the existing errors and defects in CCP cloned codebase and database server codes - no problem.
Eve Cloned will be running smoothly and will easily support the 1000+ player battles, return support for legacy PC's and new PC's (russians and others on a budget and those having overheated GPU's will be happy again).
Acceptance of my offer would make Eve Cloned experience an intense fun PVP PVE experience that everyone playing the game has come to love and enjoy.
It was disapopointing to see the unique Eve experience clobbered by the poor code of Incarna and the worse decision making of some.
So there it is - I offer a royalty payment back to CCP, keep the same game rates and ISK PLEX exchange intact.
What do you think? Join in support for the New - Eve Cloned...
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Kehro Urgus
Gallente Ab Obice Saevior
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Posted - 2011.07.04 06:06:00 -
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Edited by: Kehro Urgus on 04/07/2011 06:06:38 Discussion of player run servers is not allowed.
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Xavender
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Posted - 2011.07.04 06:09:00 -
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Its my last day so who cares - ban me
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Kez Aumer
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Posted - 2011.07.04 06:12:00 -
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"Hey CCP, I totally want to be in direct competition with you, using your own code and database. Is that cool with you?"
Why would you ever post this? ---
Originally by: Dalketh By the way "clearer" isn't a word so I would avoid calling other people stupid.
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Naomi Wildfire
Amarr Spricer Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.07.04 06:13:00 -
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I dunno, i would like to see you fail at it, you are taking it too easy
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ddogg
Amarr HuzzaH
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Posted - 2011.07.04 06:13:00 -
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If you were making a serious business proposal you wouldn't be doing it on the forum.
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Xavender
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Posted - 2011.07.04 06:19:00 -
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Because I enjoyed playing Eve pre Incarna as did a lot of others. The alternative MMO's are...well..they are what they are.
I have one of the few thousand or so machines XP/ATI (I think its a lot higher based on forum response) that cannot even logon to Incarna due to SM3 error. If 10,000 players leave Eve - well an Eve Cloned is not really competing. In fact it is an opportunity for CCP to recoop some of the revenue via a royalty agreement.
Say a percent margin so offer CCP half of what they were getting from the unsubbing player base. Partial revenue is better than none. Plus they'd have a happy player base again as my company would pick up all the current discontents (like myself).
Seem reasonable?
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Xavender
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Posted - 2011.07.04 06:23:00 -
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Why not garner support here?
Lot of IT people play Eve.
An Eve Cloned would be yet another public-GNU type entity like Linux eh?
The subscription fee would mostly go into the server farm, infrastructure and support costs. Developers would be *mostly* unpaid volunteers doing it for the passion of the game.
Traditional companies don't seem to be able to manage large complex distributed IT systems.
A collection of passionate IT people (and artists) can generate better product than out-dated business models. My opinion...
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Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2011.07.04 06:25:00 -
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Originally by: Kez Aumer "Hey CCP, I totally want to be in direct competition with you, using your own code and database. Is that cool with you?"
Why would you ever post this?
Lack of medication maybe.
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Naomi Wildfire
Amarr Spricer Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.07.04 06:27:00 -
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Quote: Because I enjoyed playing Eve pre Incarna as did a lot of others.
Basically you are pathetic. Nothing really changed except the station environment and that you can buy a few overexpensive things. So, nothing on the gameplay changed but suddenly you doesnt enjoy it anymore.
Quote: If 10,000 players leave Eve - well an Eve Cloned is not really competing.
You want to cut 10k players out of CCPs paying playerbase and call it not competing?
Quote: Say a percent margin so offer CCP half of what they were getting from the unsubbing player base. Partial revenue is better than none.
But, correct me if i'm wrong, if they decline your eve clone, most of the players will remain in eve anyway. No EVE Cloned, no EVE Alternative.
Quote: Seem reasonable?
I have to ask what kind of IT person you are. Are you monitoring stuff only or do you need to use your head sometimes?
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Argos Mindbender
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Posted - 2011.07.04 06:29:00 -
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Wow...Just wow.
This will never happen, whatever possessed you to post this? |
yumike
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Posted - 2011.07.04 06:30:00 -
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Having run MMO services before, I'm gonna have to say you meant to email that to their PR department and they'd put you in contact with the right people.. However you should know that a stakeholder will never split their pie with you (That would be silly.) You would have to be offering to a different demographic, And to be blunt the 5-10% that are gone now probably wouldn't be enough to convince them.
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Xavender
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Posted - 2011.07.04 06:31:00 -
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I don't know why one would say 'nothing has changed' poste-Incarna.
How about the thousands of plays that are unable to logon now?
How about the players with high end machines crashing?
And overheated GPU's?
Is that 'nothing'?
And all of the bugs and defects resurfacing?
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Erichk Knaar
Caldari Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.07.04 06:33:00 -
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Originally by: Xavender
I am an IT person w/ expertise in large networked systems and enterprise database
Originally by: Xavender
I have one of the few thousand or so machines XP/ATI (I think its a lot higher based on forum response) that cannot even logon to Incarna due to SM3 error.
Something here is not adding up.
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Kez Aumer
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Posted - 2011.07.04 06:39:00 -
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Originally by: Xavender How about the players with high end machines crashing?
And overheated GPU's?
Those are issues CCP needs to work on.
Originally by: Xavender How about the thousands of plays that are unable to logon now?
This is a number pulled out of your behind. Even at the height of the rage storm, you could count the number of 'Shader Model 2' and 'Unable to log on'-threads without taking off your socks. ---
Originally by: Dalketh By the way "clearer" isn't a word so I would avoid calling other people stupid.
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Naomi Wildfire
Amarr Spricer Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.07.04 06:40:00 -
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Edited by: Naomi Wildfire on 04/07/2011 06:42:03
Originally by: Xavender I don't know why one would say 'nothing has changed' poste-Incarna.
How about the thousands of plays that are unable to logon now?
How about the players with high end machines crashing?
And overheated GPU's?
Is that 'nothing'?
And all of the bugs and defects resurfacing?
I dont know anyone with issues, the only issue i have with incarna is the missing ship spinning and that i need to stare at a door. My gfx remains pretty cool.
Quote: How about the thousands of plays that are unable to logon now?
Buy a new GFX, dump that ancient piece of ****. How high was the change such an ancient thing survives for that long? Even my very old NVidia GT 8800 had shader model 4.0!
My system is far from a high end machine and i run 3 accounts without any issues. so yes, gameplay wise nothing has changed,
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Xavender
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Posted - 2011.07.04 06:41:00 -
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Edited by: Xavender on 04/07/2011 06:42:54 So you think everyone in IT has the latest machines? You obviously haven't worked in any large companies. Older machines are a way of life.
Not so...and the world economy tanked so not everyone can afford it either.
But a rich mommas boy wouldn't know that since everything is provided you including the silver spoon.
For those of us without silver spoons - well - we make do and use equipment that seems perfectly good until it is really no longer useful.
I am saying that Eve was playable on 2011-06-20 and became un-playable on 2011-06-21 with Incarna release. For many this was/is true.
An Eve Cloned based on legacy version would allow the small segment of impacted playerbase to continue to enjoy an older version of Eve.
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Naomi Wildfire
Amarr Spricer Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.07.04 06:46:00 -
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Quote: So you think everyone in IT has the latest machines? You obviously haven't worked in any large companies. Older machines are a way of life. Not so...and the world economy tanked so not everyone can afford it either. But a rich mommas boy wouldn't know that since everything is provided you including the silver spoon. For those of us without silver spoons - well - we make do and use equipment that seems perfectly good until it is really no longer useful.
Shader model 2.0 cards are no longer usefull.
Btw, what a poor idiot of an IT guy are you if you talk about not being able to afford a 30$ grafics card. You dont need to be mommies boy, you dont need to be rich, you just have to work for 3-5 hours (maybe more, maybe less).
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Erichk Knaar
Caldari Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.07.04 06:51:00 -
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Originally by: Xavender Edited by: Xavender on 04/07/2011 06:42:54 So you think everyone in IT has the latest machines? You obviously haven't worked in any large companies. Older machines are a way of life.
Not so...and the world economy tanked so not everyone can afford it either.
But a rich mommas boy wouldn't know that since everything is provided you including the silver spoon.
For those of us without silver spoons - well - we make do and use equipment that seems perfectly good until it is really no longer useful.
I am saying that Eve was playable on 2011-06-20 and became un-playable on 2011-06-21 with Incarna release. For many this was/is true.
An Eve Cloned based on legacy version would allow the small segment of impacted playerbase to continue to enjoy an older version of Eve.
The first question I ask prospective employees wanting to join my team is: Tell me about your computers at home?
Needless to say, you wouldn't get a job.
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Kez Aumer
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Posted - 2011.07.04 06:55:00 -
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Originally by: Erichk Knaar Needless to say, you wouldn't get a job.
It's your fault he can't afford a graphics card. Or a silver spoon. ---
Originally by: Dalketh By the way "clearer" isn't a word so I would avoid calling other people stupid.
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Erichk Knaar
Caldari Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.07.04 06:56:00 -
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Originally by: Kez Aumer
Originally by: Erichk Knaar Needless to say, you wouldn't get a job.
It's your fault he can't afford a graphics card. Or a silver spoon.
Or a monocle, apparently.
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Lang'fin Ger
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Posted - 2011.07.04 06:59:00 -
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Thats what you get when you are mining for 5+ years
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Kirkland Langue
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Posted - 2011.07.04 07:00:00 -
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While I could easily see an IT person using an XP machine, especially at a larger company (that is, if your a low level IT person who does desktop support for a network consisting of XP machines) - you aren't likely to draw a lot of new customers if you are going to be modifying the EVE code such that it will run smoothly on such older equipment. Heck, I can't picture you even wanting to compile their server-side software on such a machine.
I'm leaving EVE, at least for the forseeable future, so I would love to see a straight-up competitor appear.. but your strategy sounds unlikely to succeed.
Good luck though.
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Xavender
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Posted - 2011.07.04 07:01:00 -
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I have this to say about that...and what kind of idiot would dump another $5 into an old machine?
And from all the forum posts a high end machine is now required to run Eve so a replacement is more like $1000 and not $30 - do the math buddy.
I was able to run four concurrent accounts on older hardware prior to Incarna. Now I cannot even logon to one account.
And from the raging forum posts - look past your navel and do some forum browsing - many people are saying the poste-Incarna release is crashing their new machines - quads with Crossfire, 8Gig ram and so on.
So I need to spend $2000 on two machines now to be able to play four accounts on Eve?
Its not in my budget and there is no point playing just one account in my opinion.
And the point is the game worked just fine prior to Incarna in terms of my enjoyment of it anyway.
But like I say - it is my last day so I may as well get something out of my account expenditure and stir the forums pot. I am sure for all those who love Incarna it will be a great experience.
My mistress has departed for a dude with a monocle and designer spaceships.
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Erichk Knaar
Caldari Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.07.04 07:03:00 -
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Originally by: Xavender
My mistress has departed for a dude with a monocle and designer spaceships.
I get this a lot.
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ThisIsntMyMain
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Posted - 2011.07.04 07:04:00 -
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Originally by: Xavender
My team will only patch and fix all (all means ALL) the existing errors and defects in CCP cloned codebase and database server codes - no problem.
Eve Cloned will be running smoothly and will easily support the 1000+ player battles, return support for legacy PC's and new PC's (russians and others on a budget and those having overheated GPU's will be happy again).
AAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
draws breath
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH
So you'll fix every single bug, invest 10's of thousands into the required server and network infrastructure, pay hundreds of support people and have flawless 1000 player PvP?
I'm in I can't possibly imagine why CCP haven't done this.
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Kez Aumer
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Posted - 2011.07.04 07:04:00 -
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Originally by: Xavender I have this to say about that...and what kind of idiot would dump another $5 into an old machine?
Originally by: Xavender Older machines are a way of life.
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Originally by: Dalketh By the way "clearer" isn't a word so I would avoid calling other people stupid.
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Naomi Wildfire
Amarr Spricer Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.07.04 07:06:00 -
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Quote: And from all the forum posts a high end machine is now required to run Eve so a replacement is more like $1000 and not $30 - do the math buddy.
Oh damn, so i need to send my GFX back because it isnt pricey enough to run my 3 clients? Your logic .. it has none!
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Bad Messenger
draketrain
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Posted - 2011.07.04 07:18:00 -
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Originally by: Naomi Wildfire
Quote: And from all the forum posts a high end machine is now required to run Eve so a replacement is more like $1000 and not $30 - do the math buddy.
Oh damn, so i need to send my GFX back because it isnt pricey enough to run my 3 clients? Your logic .. it has none!
I can run 4 clients on my 4 year old computer.
And i do not think that if your display card melts on use it is not programs fault on anyway. It is about card who try to do more it really can so card manufacturer has sold you some false promises.
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Kuronaga
Kantian Principle
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Posted - 2011.07.04 07:24:00 -
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You have a horrible business sense.
If your idea was even remotely possible, CCP would be doing it themselves, and wouldn't need a "cut" of anything you would give them.
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