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sevrisyn
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Posted - 2011.07.03 17:25:00 -
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why did they make this ship such a pain to fit i can just about get a large booster to perma run with 3 ccc and 5 of my lows taken just to keep this up were as most otehr sheild tanking bs it takes an xl to kill the cap that much i cant even think of running an xl on a rohk. and so far having one of them has been key to doing a lv4 but i like the hybrid platform.
this ship need a better capacitor imo to put it inline with others
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Carmen Martino
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Posted - 2011.07.03 17:28:00 -
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Buffer tank it and bring a logi alt.
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sevrisyn
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Posted - 2011.07.03 17:54:00 -
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yep cause im sure every body has a second account with a logi alt
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stoicfaux
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.07.03 18:14:00 -
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Replace all those cap modules and cap rigs with a Cap Booster.
----- Request for Eve Development Roadmap. Let CSM know that we want one.
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sevrisyn
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Posted - 2011.07.03 18:23:00 -
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dosent work i just run out of cap dam fast i have no idea how people use cap boosters cause the batterys are huge
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OllieNorth
Gallente R-K Industries
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Posted - 2011.07.03 18:35:00 -
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Permatank = fail tank, look for damage to reduce incoming and a pulsed tank. Cap Boosters are, I agree, key.
That or fly something that's not the Rokh.
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sevrisyn
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Posted - 2011.07.03 18:44:00 -
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i would but there isnt any other alternatives to the rokh its the only sheild tanking rail boat battleship unless there is another that i dont know of.
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Eliza Capri
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Posted - 2011.07.03 21:55:00 -
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My L4 Rokh perma runs a XL booster. But I use 350mm railguns. Alternatively, you could get creative with your Rokh and use autocannons.
[Rokh, WTF IS DIS????] Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Capacitor Flux Coil II
Gist C-Type X-Large Shield Booster Shield Boost Amplifier II Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Cap Recharger II 100MN Afterburner II
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Hammerhead II x5
This has awesome tank, way better dps than rails, way better tracking than rails, decent range, and goes nearly 300m/s or over with a cheap implant. It's cap stable with the afterburner turned off. The Rokh is such a fine ship.
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Jean hunt
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Posted - 2011.07.04 00:26:00 -
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get tengu problem solved
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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2011.07.04 01:20:00 -
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Originally by: sevrisyn i would but there isnt any other alternatives to the rokh its the only sheild tanking rail boat battleship unless there is another that i dont know of.
Hyperion can do it. Vindicator can do it. Kronos can probably do it. Navy Dominix can definitely do it and is probably the preferred shield/rail boat if you're truly stuck in that model.
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Headerman
Minmatar Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.07.04 05:29:00 -
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Get a new account, Amarr, skill up to use an Auguror and 1 or 2 Large energy transfers. Done.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.04 15:48:00 -
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Originally by: sevrisyn perma run...
Seriously? Thats the problem anyway. Try a Gist C booster if you can afford it. If not just manage the energy better. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
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K'iran
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Posted - 2011.07.04 16:09:00 -
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Rokh works just fine, it's never going to be a massive DPS beast but neither is a Raven. Have a look at this, it's not cap stable nor does it permarun as you don't need either. Simple fit, works fine.
[Rokh, lvl 4 guristas] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II
100MN Afterburner II X-Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I Shield Boost Amplifier II Heat Dissipation Field II Ballistic Deflection Field II Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L 350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L 350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L 350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L 350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L 350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L 350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L 350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Hybrid Discharge Elutriation I Large Hybrid Discharge Elutriation I
Hobgoblin II x5 Warrior II x5
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madsamo
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Posted - 2011.07.05 11:11:00 -
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Originally by: Jean hunt get tengu problem solved
this
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Thenoran
Caldari Tranquility Industries
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Posted - 2011.07.05 11:56:00 -
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Rokh is too heavily gimped in powergrid, velocity, lock speed and capacitor to be a really good mission rail boat. The range bonus is nice but you're lacking in damage so much it'll be a pain to kill anything.
As mentioned, a Hyperion, Megathron or Domi can suit your needs quite well. For shield tanking, you can fit a very decent shield tank on a Domi and still have 6 rails firing away. ------------------------ Low-sec is like sailing along the coast of Somalia...
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General Trajan
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.07.05 12:12:00 -
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Originally by: sevrisyn why did they make this ship such a pain to fit........
this, like many other ships in-game is what people should have been raging and unsubbing over long ago.
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Tehesca Pegoat
Escape Goat Industries
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Posted - 2011.07.05 12:22:00 -
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What, Caldari have more than one battleship?
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Fedimart
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Posted - 2011.07.05 13:25:00 -
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Most ships in Eve do some things well and others not as good. The Rokh does the role of a PVP sniper well. It can be made into a mission boat but IMO it's not really best used for this purpose. If you want to do Level 4 missions in a Caldari battleship you should look at the Raven. You will be able to choose your damage type and complete the missions faster. However you need to learn how to pulse your shield booster. If you don't want to deal with this you should look at a passive tank Drake. With decent skills you can tank level 4's with no problem and once you have t2 missiles your DPS will be quite high!
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.05 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: Fedimart Most ships in Eve do some things well and others not as good. The Rokh does the role of a PVP sniper well. It can be made into a mission boat but IMO it's not really best used for this purpose. If you want to do Level 4 missions in a Caldari battleship you should look at the Raven. You will be able to choose your damage type and complete the missions faster. However you need to learn how to pulse your shield booster. If you don't want to deal with this you should look at a passive tank Drake. With decent skills you can tank level 4's with no problem and once you have t2 missiles your DPS will be quite high!
BULL****. Raven sucks at missions, CNR is *decent* with high SP. A Rokh with as many SP as a well fit well flown CNR will do missions just fine. It wont do them as fast as a pirate or navy BS, BECAUSE ITS NOT ONE.
If you unsubbed eve because you feel the Rokh is sub par, good riddance. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
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Saile Litestrider
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Posted - 2011.07.05 15:53:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher Jones BULL****. Raven sucks at missions, CNR is *decent* with high SP. A Rokh with as many SP as a well fit well flown CNR will do missions just fine. It wont do them as fast as a pirate or navy BS, BECAUSE ITS NOT ONE.
If you unsubbed eve because you feel the Rokh is sub par, good riddance.
I agree with your opinions on the Caldari BS lineup, but I do take issue with your main point. Sure, the Rokh doesn't perform like 500m-1b hull battleships, nor should it, but its performance is still strikingly lacking. The apoc, abaddon, dominix, and I believe the minmatar BSes can all perform nearly to the level of the various faction ships, provided you sink some money into them and have good skills. To get the Rokh to perform even half as well you have to sink over a billion into faction and complex mods for it, and at that point, why not grab a vindicator or nightmare? It's really impossible to truly justify using a Rokh for missions apart from just liking it.
And then there's the fact that the PvP sniper is more or less obsolete at this point. I think the Rokh really needs an overhaul and a new role.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.05 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: Saile Litestrider
Originally by: Cipher Jones BULL****. Raven sucks at missions, CNR is *decent* with high SP. A Rokh with as many SP as a well fit well flown CNR will do missions just fine. It wont do them as fast as a pirate or navy BS, BECAUSE ITS NOT ONE.
If you unsubbed eve because you feel the Rokh is sub par, good riddance.
I agree with your opinions on the Caldari BS lineup, but I do take issue with your main point. Sure, the Rokh doesn't perform like 500m-1b hull battleships, nor should it, but its performance is still strikingly lacking. The apoc, abaddon, dominix, and I believe the minmatar BSes can all perform nearly to the level of the various faction ships, provided you sink some money into them and have good skills. To get the Rokh to perform even half as well you have to sink over a billion into faction and complex mods for it, and at that point, why not grab a vindicator or nightmare? It's really impossible to truly justify using a Rokh for missions apart from just liking it.
And then there's the fact that the PvP sniper is more or less obsolete at this point. I think the Rokh really needs an overhaul and a new role.
What are you using for your comparison "half as well"? That's obviously a fabricated statistic. A good XL SB costs more than any BS hull in the game, literally.
When you are comparing ships you have to compare them realistically.
A Dominix with good skills and expensive mods will perform almost as well as a t2 fitted Navy Dominix. It will not perform almost as well as a navy dominix with the same expensive mods and same skills.
You can NEVER make a Maelstrom "almost as good as a Machariel". You CAN make a Rokh that completes missions as quickly as a Maelstrom or Dominix.
. Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
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madsamo
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Posted - 2011.07.05 19:02:00 -
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The Rokh is the sexiest battleship in the game IMO (apart from the Nightmare) but its a terrible mission runner. OK maybe it isn't terrible but you will get through missions faster and WILL make more money with a raven and even faster with a tengu.
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Telon Ur
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Posted - 2011.07.05 19:42:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher Jones
When you are comparing ships you have to compare them realistically.
Even comparing it to the other third tier battle ships it's the runt of the litter. It's got the same cap and speed issued of the abaddon, but none of the face-melting damage. It's got the fitting issues of the hype, but still can't muster as much damage or tracking (not that the hype is any good compared to a dominix, but that's for another thread). The maelstrom is a bit like what the rokh should be, utilizing a short-range weapon system and having a solid tank to back it up. Unfortunately it cannot do this with hybrids as even the bonused blasters lack the range, and if you rig for more range you have to suck boosters just to fire up the guns. A half-decent rokh fit requires the same amount of pimp you usually find on a faction bs or marauder toy.
And for the record, the dominix is only better due to the stupid rig calibration allowance imbalance. Why a navy domininx shouldn't get enough for two sentry augs is beyond me, but that's the primary driver behind it being showed up by it's non-faction relative. Also, the maelstrom is every bit as good for missions as a machariel in most respects, speed being the most obvious outlier. Considering the price diffirence, id' say that "almost as good," is an apt descriptor.
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Hadrian Zorn
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Posted - 2011.07.05 19:51:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher Jones
You CAN make a Rokh that completes missions as quickly as a Maelstrom or Dominix.
No you can't. With an equally expansive fitting Mael or Domi will always perform way better. Bloodraider or Amarr rats will convince you to selfdestruct this sh!tpile.
Cap, tracking, gun dps, dronebay, fitting, scanres, high mass. Everything on this ship is just fail. Oh great, you get 112 km lockrange. Now that makes up for all the shortcomings.
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sevrisyn
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Posted - 2011.07.05 20:27:00 -
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well i give up on the rokh as mush as this ship feels nice im gona have to get a boring missile ship untill i get my armour skill up
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Telon Ur
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Posted - 2011.07.05 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: sevrisyn well i give up on the rokh as mush as this ship feels nice im gona have to get a boring missile ship untill i get my armour skill up
Shoe-horning a shield tank onto gallente ships would be less time consuming, unless your drone skills are non-existent.
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Eliza Capri
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Posted - 2011.07.05 20:30:00 -
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Originally by: Hadrian Zorn
Originally by: Cipher Jones
You CAN make a Rokh that completes missions as quickly as a Maelstrom or Dominix.
No you can't. With an equally expansive fitting Mael or Domi will always perform way better. Bloodraider or Amarr rats will convince you to selfdestruct this sh!tpile.
Cap, tracking, gun dps, dronebay, fitting, scanres, high mass. Everything on this ship is just fail. Oh great, you get 112 km lockrange. Now that makes up for all the shortcomings.
You can make a Rokh have similar results as the Maelstrom if you base your built around autocannons. Please refer to the fit I posted earlier. Of course, that exact same fit on a Maelstrom will have about 200 dps more, same tank, slightly more speed and room for more drones. Still, if you want to do missions in a Rokh per se, you can and still have good dps/tank.
I think it is unfair to compare any ship to the Dominix as the Domi tends to melt face in both pve and pvp. You can simply do so much with it in terms of fit variety. It has only one single weakness and that is that its dps depends on drones, which isn't even a real weakness on a well fitted Domi. Personally I hate doing L4s in a Domi and I would not recommend it to newer pilots as the Domi only starts to shine once your drone/support skills are high.
I made my first billion running L4s in a Rokh. There were those missions where I was spewing profanity when too much stuff came too close and I had to rely on my Vespas to slowly, slowly chew through those elite frigs/cruisers. But then again there where those missions where everything died before it even got within 60 km of me.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.05 20:40:00 -
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Originally by: Hadrian Zorn
Originally by: Cipher Jones
You CAN make a Rokh that completes missions as quickly as a Maelstrom or Dominix.
No you can't. With an equally expansive fitting Mael or Domi will always perform way better. Bloodraider or Amarr rats will convince you to selfdestruct this sh!tpile.
Cap, tracking, gun dps, dronebay, fitting, scanres, high mass. Everything on this ship is just fail. Oh great, you get 112 km lockrange. Now that makes up for all the shortcomings.
I stand corrected. I can, you cannot. Thank you. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
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NoNah
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Posted - 2011.07.05 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher Jones
Originally by: Hadrian Zorn
Originally by: Cipher Jones
You CAN make a Rokh that completes missions as quickly as a Maelstrom or Dominix.
No you can't. With an equally expansive fitting Mael or Domi will always perform way better. Bloodraider or Amarr rats will convince you to selfdestruct this sh!tpile.
Cap, tracking, gun dps, dronebay, fitting, scanres, high mass. Everything on this ship is just fail. Oh great, you get 112 km lockrange. Now that makes up for all the shortcomings.
I stand corrected. I can, you cannot. Thank you.
You're technically right, but it'd be easier to see it if you said "I can make a maelstrom or dominix fitting as poor as my rokh fitting". Parrots, commence!
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Telon Ur
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Posted - 2011.07.05 20:59:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher Jones
Originally by: Hadrian Zorn
Originally by: Cipher Jones
You CAN make a Rokh that completes missions as quickly as a Maelstrom or Dominix.
No you can't. With an equally expansive fitting Mael or Domi will always perform way better. Bloodraider or Amarr rats will convince you to selfdestruct this sh!tpile.
Cap, tracking, gun dps, dronebay, fitting, scanres, high mass. Everything on this ship is just fail. Oh great, you get 112 km lockrange. Now that makes up for all the shortcomings.
I stand corrected. I can, you cannot. Thank you.
Post it or gtfo.
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