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Ashera Yune
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.09.15 10:43:00 -
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Let say that CCP decided that PLEX was a hassle for them to deal with since owing unused game time made the vulture investors unhappy.
Let say all PLEX was wiped out and the owners would be given game time in replace.
In order to play again, you will like everyone else pay a subscription fee, just like WOW.
Would you still be playing? Would you have as many accounts as you currently have? "Yesterday we obeyed kings and bent our necks before emperors. But today we kneel only to truth."
-áKahlil Gibran |
Sarah Schneider
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
1522
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Posted - 2012.09.15 10:57:00 -
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Nope, I would probably stop. "I think weGÇÖre just getting closer and closer to a place where the people we lose are people that itGÇÖs okay to lose." -Kristoffer Touborg, Eve lead designer |
Sugar Kyle
The humbleless Crew Capital Punishment.
96
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Posted - 2012.09.15 11:00:00 -
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I pay my accounts by the year. Tilde soaked words from something kinda like a pirate. |
Demolishar
United Aggression
359
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Posted - 2012.09.15 11:01:00 -
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Gone in a flash. Hell, I'd be paying thousands of pounds a year with the amount of PLEX I go through. |
Evil Incarn8
The Fiction Factory Eternal Evocations
16
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Posted - 2012.09.15 11:02:00 -
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I would rejoice.
PLEX is a blight that brought many detrimental changes to EvE, its removal would be the first step to returning EvE to its former glory.
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TriadSte
IronPig Sev3rance
106
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Posted - 2012.09.15 11:03:00 -
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I would not pay by subscription, PLEX only for me. CCP are still paid with PLEX so there is no good reason to abolish it. They would lose ALOT of revenue from stopping it so yeah not happening. |
Jonah Gravenstein
1221
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Posted - 2012.09.15 11:13:00 -
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I sub via PLEX, I have done so since I was made redundant, I have more essential things to pay for with real cash like food and a roof over my head. CCP can't patch stupid. |
Pak Narhoo
Knights of Kador
688
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Posted - 2012.09.15 11:33:00 -
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Op forgot you can still buy GTC's. Maybe with PLEX removed they'll go back to their old price level.
ahh.. one can dream. Hi, I'm CCP Arrow, I screwed up the.. ummm... |
Zack Korth
34th F.I.S.T.
0
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Posted - 2012.09.15 11:38:00 -
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Yeah I'd still play, it would make risking an expensive ship more exciting if you had to earn all the ISKies that went into it the hard way. *rage quit would be a real possibility* |
Drew Solaert
Wildcard Inc.
215
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Posted - 2012.09.15 11:40:00 -
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I'd probably drop from 3 accounts down to 2. I lied :o
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Riot Girl
Perkone Caldari State
102
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Posted - 2012.09.15 11:47:00 -
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Sugar Kyle wrote:I pay my accounts by the year. The reason this game is so popular with older people is because they have jobs and families. Plex allows them to keep up with the unemployed players and keep their children in education at the same time.
Evil Incarn8 wrote:I would rejoice.
PLEX is a blight that brought many detrimental changes to EvE, its removal would be the first step to returning EvE to its former glory.
A glory shared by you and 8 other people. |
Jamie Banks
Wasted and Still Mining Lunar Industries Partnership
17
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Posted - 2012.09.15 11:52:00 -
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I would drop down to 1 character.
And I would play the game for the games sake instead of playing the game to pay my subscription to play the game.
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Riot Girl
Perkone Caldari State
102
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Posted - 2012.09.15 11:53:00 -
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Yes, now you will be able to mine for enjoyment rather than to pay for your plex. |
Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
173
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Posted - 2012.09.15 11:54:00 -
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Ashera Yune wrote:Let say that CCP decided that PLEX was a hassle for them to deal with since owing unused game time made the vulture investors unhappy.
Yeah those investors would get real mad about being paid up front for a service they might never have to provide. |
Russell Casey
Deep Void Industrial Group Damned Nation
191
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Posted - 2012.09.15 12:03:00 -
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Haven't plexed in years----I'm already working to meet bills and rent IRL why make my hobbies that way too? Also, if you can't afford the equivalent to two big mac meals a month you've got seriously financial problems and should be taking care of them instead of playing a video game (feed your kids goddamnit!). |
Souisa
WESCORP 2.0
8
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Posted - 2012.09.15 12:12:00 -
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PLEX is awesome. It has numerous benefits, i still prefer to subscribe with IRL money tho |
Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
158
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Posted - 2012.09.15 12:15:00 -
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Sugar Kyle wrote:I pay my accounts by the year. Sugar you're so cute... |
Solstice Project
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1754
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Posted - 2012.09.15 12:23:00 -
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I pay my sub every month, because i'm proud. I have it, so why not pay it. Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Vojk
I've Seen Every Episode of Babylon 5
3
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Posted - 2012.09.15 12:28:00 -
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I pay, purely because I can mess around and do what I like without having the worry of making sure there's enough isk in my wallet each month.
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Demolishar
United Aggression
360
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Posted - 2012.09.15 12:41:00 -
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I actually make more per hour in EVE than I could by working IRL and buying PLEX... EVE would be my biggest yearly expense if I paid with real cash - more than running my car |
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Brooks Puuntai
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
741
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Posted - 2012.09.15 12:50:00 -
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I wouldn't mind. If you can't afford $15 a month then there are more important things you should be worrying about then a game. Multi accounts would suffer, but then again alts do have a negative impact as well. |
FU10011101
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.09.15 13:03:00 -
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would be gone as soon current gametime would run out from accounts. |
Elvis Fett
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
57
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Posted - 2012.09.15 13:07:00 -
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I would quit EVE for sure. Not because there are no more PLEX, but because there are no more people playing the game. Get rid of PLEX and watch at least half the players go with it. |
Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
922
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Posted - 2012.09.15 13:12:00 -
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Considering that I don't really actively play, I'd be wondering why bother.
Once in a while I might subscribe for a month to take care of my investments. Nyan |
Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
159
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Posted - 2012.09.15 14:33:00 -
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Elvis Fett wrote:I would quit EVE for sure. Not because there are no more PLEX, but because there are no more people playing the game. Get rid of PLEX and watch at least half the players go with it. I'd say good riddance. If people can't see the play value in a lousy 15 buck a month it's sad... |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
989
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Posted - 2012.09.15 14:43:00 -
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I would not quit, but would drop one account. Id also start looking around more for other recreational activities, and if I found one, then I would quit.
Lets also look at the other side:
If CCP dropped the PLEX, would you add accounts? Do you know anyone who would get a sub, or re-sub, if the PLEX was dropped? http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
579
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Posted - 2012.09.15 15:00:00 -
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Sugar Kyle wrote:I pay my accounts by the year.
Same here for my two accounts.
It means that any isk I make ingame, I can afford to lose ingame. You want fries with that? |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
134
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Posted - 2012.09.15 15:11:00 -
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Doc Severide wrote:Elvis Fett wrote:I would quit EVE for sure. Not because there are no more PLEX, but because there are no more people playing the game. Get rid of PLEX and watch at least half the players go with it. I'd say good riddance. If people can't see the play value in a lousy 15 buck a month it's sad...
Good thing npc alt ~opinions~ don't matter . Goonwaffe is now recruiting feel free to message me in game for information about joining! |
Hectanooga
Aliastra Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.09.15 15:17:00 -
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Sugar Kyle wrote:I pay my accounts by the year.
Same here, but I buy PLEX every once in a while with ISK if I'm in the mood.
If PLEX were removed I would still subscribe. |
Paul Oliver
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2475
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Posted - 2012.09.15 15:22:00 -
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I'm no economics expert but I suspect Pilot License Extensions (PLEX) play some kind of role within the game's overall economy, player memberships aside I wonder what the absense of PLEX would do to the in game market and people's ability to afford shiny expensive stuff by cashing in PLEX for isk.
With that said I like to play games the old fashioned way where you actually make your income in game instead of just buying in so the end of PLEX wouldn't really affect my choice to continue playing. "Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigues of supporting it." - Thomas Paine |
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Dairy Product
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2012.09.15 15:46:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Yes, now you will be able to mine for enjoyment rather than to pay for your plex. I chuckled. |
Tanaka Aiko
ICE is Coming to EVE Goonswarm Federation
110
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Posted - 2012.09.15 15:50:00 -
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I would stop. |
Tysinger
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
19
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Posted - 2012.09.15 15:56:00 -
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Gone in a flash along with my many alt accounts. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
559
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Posted - 2012.09.15 16:03:00 -
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Why would they do this? All it would do is lose them a lot of money. |
Narcotic Nick
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.09.15 16:09:00 -
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I wouldn't be able to play at all to be quiet honest. I'm kind of poor and without a job and geting by is hard enough I like the fact that people can play by PLEX it allows people who don't have much money to keep playing. |
Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
161
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Posted - 2012.09.15 16:45:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Doc Severide wrote:Elvis Fett wrote:I would quit EVE for sure. Not because there are no more PLEX, but because there are no more people playing the game. Get rid of PLEX and watch at least half the players go with it. I'd say good riddance. If people can't see the play value in a lousy 15 buck a month it's sad... Good thing npc alt ~opinions~ don't matter . The likes I get say otherwise. Besides that's old and tired fool..parroted by old and tired fools....
I got 9 toons and they all think the same thing. The world is full of "I can't afford it but I damn well got the RIGHT to have it anyway" people.
If your too bloody cheap to pay for the game when you can then you don't really want to play...and good riddance when you leave... |
Malka Badi'a
Suffoco Noctis
16
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Posted - 2012.09.16 02:03:00 -
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Doc Severide wrote:I pay 5 accounts once a year. Cash only. I believe CCP should actually get paid for their hard work...
Alright, fish ****. Let's get something straight.
Buying a PLEX:$19.00 per month, or the special of $209.94 for 12 plexes. Subscribing:$14.95 per month, or $131.40 for 12 months.
The people who buy the PLEX from CCP give them $78.54 more per year than you ever will, which means that the people who buy those PLEX are making sure CCP get paid more for their hard work than your illogical butterlips ever could.
Citations:
- https://secure.eveonline.com/UpdateSubscriptionInterval.aspx
- https://secure.eveonline.com/PLEX/ (special running right now per month, still more expensive than a subscription)
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Michael Orlais
Cornucopia Ltd.
3
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Posted - 2012.09.16 02:17:00 -
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Malka Badi'a wrote:Doc Severide wrote:I pay 5 accounts once a year. Cash only. I believe CCP should actually get paid for their hard work... Alright, fish ****. Let's get something straight. Buying a PLEX:$19.00 per month, or the special of $209.94 for 12 plexes. Subscribing:$14.95 per month, or $131.40 for 12 months. The people who buy the PLEX from CCP give them $78.54 more per year than you ever will, which means that the people who buy those PLEX are making sure CCP get paid more for their hard work than your illogical butterlips ever could. Citations:
- https://secure.eveonline.com/UpdateSubscriptionInterval.aspx
- https://secure.eveonline.com/PLEX/ (special running right now per month, still more expensive than a subscription)
I'm in love. |
Ryhss
Android Gang Stealth Syndicate
10
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Posted - 2012.09.16 02:21:00 -
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I wouldn't play if PLEX was removed. |
Paul Oliver
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2517
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Posted - 2012.09.16 02:26:00 -
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Ryhss wrote:I wouldn't play if PLEX was removed. Why because you might have to work for your isk instead of buying it? "Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigues of supporting it." - Thomas Paine |
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unloadedx16
Platanos for Everybody
0
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Posted - 2012.09.16 02:27:00 -
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Since I don't make at 300mill isk/hr using plex makes me feel like I'm working in eve for less than minimum wage. |
Selinate
991
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Posted - 2012.09.16 02:29:00 -
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I'd still play. I pay monthly and have never dealt in plex other than margin trading, so I wouldn't really care.
If the servers became virtually empty, the game would just be more fun to me if there were 20k to 30k players left in Eve. |
Ryhss
Android Gang Stealth Syndicate
10
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Posted - 2012.09.16 02:30:00 -
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Paul Oliver wrote:Ryhss wrote:I wouldn't play if PLEX was removed. Why because you might have to work for your isk instead of buying it? No, because with PLEX I play for free. |
Nexus Day
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
44
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Posted - 2012.09.16 02:45:00 -
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One question, did EvE generate more or less subs with the introduction of Plex?
Some people want a game back that if it hadn't changed wouldn't exist. |
Selinate
992
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Posted - 2012.09.16 02:54:00 -
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Nexus Day wrote:One question, did EvE generate more or less subs with the introduction of Plex?
Some people want a game back that if it hadn't changed wouldn't exist.
Really this is an impossible question to answer.
Plex's serve two purposes to CCP and one to the game directly that I can think of.
A) Plex's provide a legal way to trade real currency for currency in game in order to prevent RMT illegally which causes account hacks, banning from the game, more rapid inflation since there will be more bots to produce isk for the RMT provider, etc. Ergo, it provides longevity to the game itself, and makes it slightly more popular.
B) It provides a nice little extra income for CCP. When plex are destroyed, the game time is destroyed along with it. In other words they make free money when this happens. |
Paul Oliver
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2517
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Posted - 2012.09.16 02:56:00 -
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Selinate wrote:If the servers became virtually empty, the game would just be more fun to me if there were 20k to 30k players left in Eve. What a thought, their would be no more mega alliances, no more power blocs, nobody would even bother with highsec because the concept of risk would become redundant, just vast expanses of empty systems for the few that are left to farm and build off of to their heart's content with no blobs and small gang pvp that would probably be similar to the stories we read about from the early years of EVE.
God I hope I'm still here then.... "Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigues of supporting it." - Thomas Paine |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1713
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Posted - 2012.09.16 04:01:00 -
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I pay by the year. I suck at Eve too much to make any meaningful isk out of it.
No, I'm not quitting and no,you can't have my stuff. |
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
735
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Posted - 2012.09.16 04:48:00 -
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the amount of eve accounts would drop pretty damn fast but I pay yearly. |
Mars Theran
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
284
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Posted - 2012.09.16 06:18:00 -
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Malka Badi'a wrote:Doc Severide wrote:I pay 5 accounts once a year. Cash only. I believe CCP should actually get paid for their hard work... Alright, fish ****. Let's get something straight. Buying a PLEX:$19.00 per month, or the standard special of $209.94 for 12 plexes. Subscribing:$14.95 per month, or the standard special of $131.40 for 12 months. The people who buy the PLEX from CCP give them $78.54 more per year than you ever will, which means that the people who buy those PLEX are making sure CCP get paid more for their hard work than your illogical butterlips ever could. Citations:
- https://secure.eveonline.com/UpdateSubscriptionInterval.aspx
- https://secure.eveonline.com/PLEX/ (limited special running right now, still more expensive than a subscription)
..and yet they complain when PLEX prices go up on the in-game market and ruin the economy? Filthy beggars! ..besides, it's still the people who are paying that end up paying, and that includes the difference. So you still give them nothing, aside from forum rants about your personal sense of entitlement.
...
wait.. no.. okay, we are going to do this another way, as that is far to confrontational and possibly unfair.
So, yeah the guy paying sub is paying sub, and less if he is doing it all in one go a year. The guy, (or girl), who is paying sub and buying PLEX to assist in-game activities along without needing to grind as much is paying a little more for the in-game activities than the guy who subs and grinds.
Then there is the guy that grinds, or rather, the one that buys PLEX to sub in game without really needed to put in that much effort in most cases to get the ISK, because they either scam it, pod it, or have access to all the natural resources of the game without much effort. Some of them actually work for it.
So we have:
The guy/girl paying a sub plays, grinds a bit, and pays.
The guy paying a sub and buying PLEX plays, pays, and pays more. He's the one that gets hit with all the additional cost of PLEX.
The guy PLEXing doesn't pay, but he grinds to one degree or another.
In the end, we have a game balance achieved between all three, that ultimately gives CCP the money it needs to continue and maintain d'eve'lopment. This also allows the EVE Shard to maintain players in higher numbers than it might otherwise, while providing us with a rich detailed environment--we may not always like--of players to share the experience with.
..what?
What I am not sure whether to laugh at, dismiss, or feel bad about, is the poor guy grinding for PLEX to play the game, while smoking pot and not having the time of day to get a job or go out and make an effort. Is the grind really worth it? Maybe you should stop grinding for PLEX and go find a job, (not always as easy as it sounds I admit), while quitting your drug habits, (that surely make it harder to afford to get by for you), and come back when you are sober and a little more capable of taking care of your real self ffs.
..not that I'm unaware of how hard it can be to achieve all that sometimes, depending one where you are in the world and how bad the economy is. Ultimately however, the choice is yours and it is always a lot easier to achieve things when you are in a respectable fashion and taking care of yourself, and taking care of things. People see the difference and are much more likely to respect you for it and more willing to help make a difference for you. I have deleted and cleared my signature 7 times and it still won't go away. |
Webvan
State War Academy Caldari State
65
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Posted - 2012.09.16 06:29:00 -
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Ashera Yune wrote:
Let say all PLEX was wiped out and the owners would be given game time in replace.
In order to play again, you will like everyone else pay a subscription fee, just like WOW.
Well what if wOw started selling their own version of pLEX? Maybe they would get back the 3 million subs they lost over the past year? *wink* *wink*
to answer your question, I pay by the year, so *shrugs*. My job isn't EVE. |
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Zanarkand
Enterprise Estonia Northern Coalition.
12
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Posted - 2012.09.16 06:36:00 -
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100% quit. |
Lilianna Star
Perkone Caldari State
121
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Posted - 2012.09.16 07:10:00 -
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I'd probably discontinue all but two of my characters. But that's about it. I'd still play. |
Soundwave Plays Diablo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
128
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Posted - 2012.09.16 07:18:00 -
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Evil Incarn8 wrote:I would rejoice.
PLEX is a blight that brought many detrimental changes to EvE, its removal would be the first step to returning EvE to its former glory.
Lol, the game would die within months. |
Paul Oliver
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2528
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Posted - 2012.09.16 07:32:00 -
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Nah I don't think the game would die, if anything the lack of people might encourage a return to the game's roots and what made it a success in the first place. "Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigues of supporting it." - Thomas Paine |
Malka Badi'a
Suffoco Noctis
16
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Posted - 2012.09.16 07:44:00 -
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Mars Theran wrote:-Uninformed opinion masked as a novel-
The cute thing here is that you assume that 500m ISK is a lot for most ISK-grinders to reach each month.
That's 16.6m ISK per day. Mission runners sneeze that in an hour, excluding LP and salvage. Wormhole pilots get that just for remembering their EVE password.
If 16.6m ISK per day is a difficult process for you to sustain, on top of cooking, cleaning, and having a job/family then perhaps you should reevaluate your choice to play a video game with your ******* forehead. |
Jack Miton
Bite Me inc Elysian Empire
579
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Posted - 2012.09.16 09:30:00 -
[56] - Quote
Sugar Kyle wrote:I pay my accounts by the year.
this |
Marcus Harikari
Guitar Players of EVE
82
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Posted - 2012.09.16 12:32:00 -
[57] - Quote
I would still play only if my drake got 10 missile hardpoints and shield recharge rate was 1.5x current. Otherwise, I'd move on to WoW. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4698
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Posted - 2012.09.16 12:40:00 -
[58] - Quote
Doc Severide wrote:Sugar Kyle wrote:I pay my accounts by the year. Sugar you're so cute... I pay 5 accounts once a year. Cash only. I believe CCP should actually get paid for their hard work...
do you think that nobody pays for the gametime you get from PLEX or something?
lol please leave |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
18
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Posted - 2012.09.16 13:18:00 -
[59] - Quote
Quote:Well what if wOw started selling their own version of pLEX? Maybe they would get back the 3 million subs they lost over the past year? *wink* *wink*
I haven't played wOw and i will not do it. I bought this game for real money, but since the first 2 months i pay in PLEX, because I could. It's my play style and a bit of luck here and there with loot. With today prices of PLEX i would do it probably in 3 or 4 months. |
Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
184
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Posted - 2012.09.16 13:41:00 -
[60] - Quote
Doc Severide wrote:Sugar Kyle wrote:I pay my accounts by the year. Sugar you're so cute... I pay 5 accounts once a year. Cash only. I believe CCP should actually get paid for their hard work...
So you provide them much (much) less money than someone who pays for 5 accounts by plex?
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Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Dark Therapy
1040
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Posted - 2012.09.16 14:26:00 -
[61] - Quote
I would quit Eve if I had to pay RL cash monthly.
Also, anyone who thinks CCP lose income due to plex is an imbecile of the highest order. Also (2) anyone who thinks that plex made a difference to Eve is equally an imbecile since you have always been able to buy GTCs for isk. I remember when I could buy 90 days gtc for 380 million isk.
So. There you have it, all the facts you will ever need about plex, now put this to sleep for good. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
leoplusma
Delfus Inc. HumAnnoyeD
1
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Posted - 2012.09.16 14:53:00 -
[62] - Quote
plex or not, eve with no weed? wtf r u talkin about - lolol
...but its sad to realise how some people think the whole world is like their backyard, judging by their own living, the lifes of others.
"go find a job", "dont play the game if u cant afford it", "stop smokin ****"
jezaz, WTF w u ppl?
as for the question, i would still play the months i could afford it. right now i either pay sub or use plex depending if i can spent those 15 euros. and yes, i do work, in 2 jobs and i am not able every month to spend those euros. i have only 1 account, ofc.
and btw, if ccp was losing money from plex, then the plex would never had invented in the first place.
fly safe
leo
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Kult Altol
Republican Industries Epsilon Fleet
85
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Posted - 2012.09.16 15:11:00 -
[63] - Quote
I'd keep playing. I like supporting a company I like. A narrow mind is a focused mind. |
Dasola
Rookie Empire Citizens Rookie Empire
57
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Posted - 2012.09.16 16:34:00 -
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well lets not forget why ccp introduced ingame plex, to fight RMT. If they remove it RMT+¬rs are going to rejoice since theyre customer base starts growing again.
Fact is, some people just have ability to generate more isk then they know what to do with. No, im not one of those people, i suck at isk accumulation... And since plex is item that generates real world income to ccp when sold first time, theres really no reason to remove it.
Those that can play by isk, good for them. That isk is what keeps economy going. Similar to highsec pos charters sort of... [Insert something funny or smart here] |
Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
87
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Posted - 2012.09.16 16:36:00 -
[65] - Quote
i would plex is good but not that good.
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Jerick Ludhowe
Toxic Waste Industries
156
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Posted - 2012.09.16 16:37:00 -
[66] - Quote
getting rid of plex and giving us a true sandbox again? Yea.. I'd most certainly still play |
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
93
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Posted - 2012.09.16 16:42:00 -
[67] - Quote
Ashera Yune wrote:Let say that CCP decided that PLEX was a hassle for them to deal with since owing unused game time made the vulture investors unhappy.
Let say all PLEX was wiped out and the owners would be given game time in replace.
In order to play again, you will like everyone else pay a subscription fee, just like WOW.
Would you still be playing? Would you have as many accounts as you currently have?
Yes, I would have as many accounts. I actually pay money for them. Using PLEX to support an account in my mind is counter productive. So you are going to subscribe to a game just so you can spend time in game grinding isk to pay for the game? Pick the annual payment, save money on the yearly fee, and just go do what suits you...
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Shizuken
Venerated Stars
93
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Posted - 2012.09.16 16:46:00 -
[68] - Quote
Jerick Ludhowe wrote:getting rid of plex and giving us a true sandbox again? Yea.. I'd most certainly still play
I keep seeing this claim made but I never see a substantive explanation as to how PLEX ruined the game. |
Jerick Ludhowe
Toxic Waste Industries
156
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Posted - 2012.09.16 16:50:00 -
[69] - Quote
Shizuken wrote:
I keep seeing this claim made but I never see a substantive explanation as to how PLEX ruined the game.
I never said anything about "ruining"... keep the straw mans coming though.
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Roderick Grey
Assisted Genocide Black Legion.
64
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Posted - 2012.09.16 16:53:00 -
[70] - Quote
I've done and still do both depending on my current assets in and out of game. But if they removed plex then I'd expect that they hired alot more staff with the extra income and bring EvE up to a standard where it deserves that kind of subscription. Otherwise I'll just play Eve the way it's meant to be played, via the meta game. |
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Shizuken
Venerated Stars
93
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Posted - 2012.09.16 17:02:00 -
[71] - Quote
Jerick Ludhowe wrote:Shizuken wrote:
I keep seeing this claim made but I never see a substantive explanation as to how PLEX ruined the game.
I never said anything about "ruining"... keep the straw mans coming though.
Ok, I admit I paraphrazed your statement. But please, go ahead and explain what you meant then. How did the PLEX make eve not a true sandbox, and how would its removal make eve a "true" sandbox again? |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
772
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Posted - 2012.09.16 17:19:00 -
[72] - Quote
I have a job. |
John Ratcliffe
Sausy Sausages
10
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Posted - 2012.09.16 17:22:00 -
[73] - Quote
Malka Badi'a wrote:Doc Severide wrote:I pay 5 accounts once a year. Cash only. I believe CCP should actually get paid for their hard work... Alright, fish ****. Let's get something straight. Buying a PLEX:$19.00 per month, or the standard special of $209.94 for 12 plexes. Subscribing:$14.95 per month, or the standard special of $131.40 for 12 months. The people who buy the PLEX from CCP give them $78.54 more per year than you ever will, which means that the people who buy those PLEX are making sure CCP get paid more for their hard work than your illogical butterlips ever could. Citations:
- https://secure.eveonline.com/UpdateSubscriptionInterval.aspx
- https://secure.eveonline.com/PLEX/ (limited special running right now, still more expensive than a subscription)
Except if you have any sense you'd never buy PLEX from CCP at all, but buy PLEX or ISK from an online supplier for pretty much half price. The men waved their hats, the ladies their umbrellas. One felt they would have liked to touch the steel muscles of the most courageous champions since antiquity. Who will carry off the first prize, entering the pantheon where only supermen may go? |
Webvan
State War Academy Caldari State
68
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Posted - 2012.09.16 17:48:00 -
[74] - Quote
But no, not over the removal of PLEX. But if we had a return of prohibition in my nation, I'd possibly quit. |
Kult Altol
Republican Industries Epsilon Fleet
87
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Posted - 2012.09.16 18:37:00 -
[75] - Quote
Shizuken wrote:Ashera Yune wrote:Let say that CCP decided that PLEX was a hassle for them to deal with since owing unused game time made the vulture investors unhappy.
Let say all PLEX was wiped out and the owners would be given game time in replace.
In order to play again, you will like everyone else pay a subscription fee, just like WOW.
Would you still be playing? Would you have as many accounts as you currently have? Yes, I would have as many accounts. I actually pay money for them. Using PLEX to support an account in my mind is counter productive. So you are going to subscribe to a game just so you can spend time in game grinding isk to pay for the game? Pick the annual payment, save money on the yearly fee, and just go do what suits you...
I agree if your whole purpose is to grind enough isk to plex your account your playing the game for a reason, I don't see enjoyable. And I'm sure you super elite eveleetists cant plex and still enjoy the game. But, most of us peons can't do that.
A narrow mind is a focused mind. |
Ryhss
Android Gang Stealth Syndicate
10
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Posted - 2012.09.16 18:45:00 -
[76] - Quote
Chribba couldn't pay for his 14 alts if there were no PLEX.... |
Minotaur0
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.09.16 18:46:00 -
[77] - Quote
I would quit for sure. |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations Paper Tiger Coalition
358
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Posted - 2012.09.16 18:56:00 -
[78] - Quote
I'll have to admit i'd be gone in a blink
Shizuken wrote:[quote=Ashera Yune] Using PLEX to support an account in my mind is counter productive. So you are going to subscribe to a game just so you can spend time in game grinding isk to pay for the game? Pick the annual payment, save money on the yearly fee, and just go do what suits you...
Depends on wich way and how fast you can ''grind'' that isk . In my case and i think i speak for most traders or like me ex-traders making a plex a month is not more then a days work at most.And we all know the incursion/faction/xomplex runners will take no more then a few days at most .. |
Soundwave Plays Diablo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
129
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Posted - 2012.09.16 19:08:00 -
[79] - Quote
Jerick Ludhowe wrote:getting rid of plex and giving us a true sandbox again? Yea.. I'd most certainly still play
You'd pay on a hacked server because tranquility would go down when CCP couldn't pay the bill.
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Webvan
State War Academy Caldari State
69
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Posted - 2012.09.16 19:50:00 -
[80] - Quote
Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:Jerick Ludhowe wrote:getting rid of plex and giving us a true sandbox again? Yea.. I'd most certainly still play You'd pay on a hacked server because tranquility would go down when CCP couldn't pay the bill. There would be layoffs, possibly, but EVE has existed with far less active accounts than it does today. Not saying I agree with any such removal of PLEX, it's a silly thought. Though ideas of shutting down over PLEX removal is just as erroneous.
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Rellik B00n
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
157
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Posted - 2012.09.16 19:58:00 -
[81] - Quote
ill take either, if they give me gametime i still get 5 years subbed.
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Archa4 Badasaz
Viziam Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2012.09.16 21:09:00 -
[82] - Quote
Started with a 14 day trial and Never actually paid, scraped isk's for plex in the beggining, but now paid 6 months in advance: all with plex. And if this option would be gone, I would as well... |
Paul Oliver
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2784
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Posted - 2012.09.17 01:39:00 -
[83] - Quote
Archa4 Badasaz wrote:Started with a 14 day trial and Never actually paid, scraped isk's for plex in the beggining, but now paid 6 months in advance: all with plex. And if this option would be gone, I would as well... And that would be a damn shame....
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigues of supporting it." - Thomas Paine |
Soundwave Plays Diablo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
130
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Posted - 2012.09.17 04:49:00 -
[84] - Quote
Webvan wrote:Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:Jerick Ludhowe wrote:getting rid of plex and giving us a true sandbox again? Yea.. I'd most certainly still play You'd pay on a hacked server because tranquility would go down when CCP couldn't pay the bill. There would be layoffs, possibly, but EVE has existed with far less active accounts than it does today. Not saying I agree with any such removal of PLEX, it's a silly thought. Though ideas of shutting down over PLEX removal is just as erroneous.
There's no question about it really. The server existed with far less players on it before, but that was on a smaller server, and pre loan. Post loan they openly admitted that the Incarna exodus almost broke them. A PLEX exodus would trump the Incarna rage by several magnitudes. |
Webvan
State War Academy Caldari State
69
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Posted - 2012.09.17 06:56:00 -
[85] - Quote
Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:Webvan wrote:Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:Jerick Ludhowe wrote:getting rid of plex and giving us a true sandbox again? Yea.. I'd most certainly still play You'd pay on a hacked server because tranquility would go down when CCP couldn't pay the bill. There would be layoffs, possibly, but EVE has existed with far less active accounts than it does today. Not saying I agree with any such removal of PLEX, it's a silly thought. Though ideas of shutting down over PLEX removal is just as erroneous. There's no question about it really. The server existed with far less players on it before, but that was on a smaller server, and pre loan. Post loan they openly admitted that the Incarna exodus almost broke them. A PLEX exodus would trump the Incarna rage by several magnitudes. The loan is on DUST, PLEX or less accounts in EVE would not effect that. Been a long time since server upgrades, shouldn't still be in the red there. This is all preposterous, really. Sky falling? |
Just Lilly
33
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Posted - 2012.09.17 08:51:00 -
[86] - Quote
Ofc I'd pay
My cookie jar could probably keep 5 acc's active, it's where all the pocket change ends up May 15 2012 |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
4846
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Posted - 2012.09.17 09:08:00 -
[87] - Quote
One thing is clear, I would not have the number of accounts I do - and removing PLEX, yeah that's something CCP would do if they want to go bankrupt or if they are going F2P.
/c
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Adoro
Reikoku The Retirement Club
6
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Posted - 2012.09.17 09:14:00 -
[88] - Quote
Jamie Banks wrote:I would drop down to 1 character.
And I would play the game for the games sake instead of playing the game to pay my subscription to play the game.
This. I pay EVE with cash exactly for this reason. Also I'm not a poor student sod IRL so why spend time on making EVE money whilst I can make a lot more money in real life 10 times faster and just pay?
Time = Money
1 hour rl works equals atleast one month of EVE sub. I find it hard to make 500mil (1 plex) in the same time
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R0me0 Charl1e
Easy A Industries
40
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Posted - 2012.09.17 11:44:00 -
[89] - Quote
If CCP did remove PLEX (which they would never do), I would go back to subscription. I currently buy two PLEX a month, one for the account and one to sell to pad my wallet. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1482
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Posted - 2012.09.17 11:53:00 -
[90] - Quote
Webvan wrote:The loan is on DUST, PLEX or less accounts in EVE would not effect that. Been a long time since server upgrades, shouldn't still be in the red there. This is all preposterous, really. Sky falling? Yes, having less cash inflow when you have to pay interest is just fine as long as the interest is for the other thing... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
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Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
166
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Posted - 2012.09.17 13:02:00 -
[91] - Quote
Malka Badi'a wrote:Doc Severide wrote:I pay 5 accounts once a year. Cash only. I believe CCP should actually get paid for their hard work... Alright, fish ****. Let's get something straight. Buying a PLEX:$19.00 per month, or the standard special of $209.94 for 12 plexes. Subscribing:$14.95 per month, or the standard special of $131.40 for 12 months. The people who buy the PLEX from CCP give them $78.54 more per year than you ever will, which means that the people who buy those PLEX are making sure CCP get paid more for their hard work than your illogical butterlips ever could. Citations:
- https://secure.eveonline.com/UpdateSubscriptionInterval.aspx
- https://secure.eveonline.com/PLEX/ (limited special running right now, still more expensive than a subscription)
Geez...You on the rag Mary???
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RomeStar
Astra Research
46
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Posted - 2012.09.17 13:10:00 -
[92] - Quote
When CCP stops selling plex that is a sign that EVE is being closed.
The question remains what sort of timeframe will ccp give the player base inorder for them to use up what plex they have.
You will see a mass selloff of plex both in-game and in RL and at cheap prices. I personally dont plex my account because I dont have too but I do know some players personally who have enough plex to pay for multiple accounts for years. It was espically funny when that studio 38 declared banruptcy and I decided to don my tinfoil hat and told him that could happen to CCP without warning. He sold off a good chunk of his plex just incase it did so he wasnt left holding the bag.
TLDR- CCP ends Plex = End of game Signatured removed, CCP Phantom |
Idris Helion
University of Caille Gallente Federation
73
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Posted - 2012.09.17 13:28:00 -
[93] - Quote
I think PLEX has been a good thing, both for CCP and for the players. As can be seen from many replies up-thread, it's a way for less wealthy players to stay in the game and a way for wealthier but time-constrained players to achieve their goals in-game.
I sub by the year because using PLEX to pay for game time doesn't make financial sense. At the rate PLEX is selling for now, using PLEX for game-time means paying about a 25% premium over paying a yearly sub (in USD, anyway). Poorer players have more time than money, so the time-cost is not as high to them as it is to players with jobs and families in RL. It's actually a pretty neat idea, and I salute CCP for this novel solution to the RMT problem.
PLEX does have some problems though. As a tradeable in-game good, it's prone to speculation and hoarding. If a player pays for his/her sub with PLEX, it tends to introduce a level of grind into the game that is not fun -- 500M ISK may not be a lot to some, but it's a substantial chunk of money to a lower-level toon, or to someone who's running three or four accounts. It can lead to a vicious spiral: grinding ISK to buy PLEX to play EVE to grind ISK to buy PLEX to.... EVE is meant to be entertainment, not a full-time (and unpaid) job.
PLEX is an interesting way to provide a "free to play" model without actually making the game FTP. It's been pretty successful so far, so I doubt CCP is going to end the program any time soon.
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Yishna Strone
Realm Kore Developments Interstellar Trade Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.09.17 13:44:00 -
[94] - Quote
I like this game. I pay for my accounts every 6 months. Removing plex would make no difference to me. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
568
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Posted - 2012.09.17 14:36:00 -
[95] - Quote
Nonsense.
CCP will never remove PLEX.
PLEX should never be removed. |
MadMuppet
Universal Freelance CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
552
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Posted - 2012.09.17 14:40:00 -
[96] - Quote
For me, PLEX was removed from the game when it broke 350 million isk a unit. There is nothing wrong with the mechanic of it, it is basically a work contract with another player, but people are convinced it is a massively unfair cheating mechanism. If I tried to make a type of coffee that made all of you happy, and you rated it, the group score for it would be about 60 out of 100. Break into 3 or 4 coffee clusters, and made coffee just for each cluster, the scores would go from 60 to 78. The difference between coffee at 60 and coffee at 78 is a difference between coffee that makes you wince or makes you happy. |
HellFish Holding
Hell-Fish inc
2
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Posted - 2012.09.17 15:17:00 -
[97] - Quote
Chicken drumsticks. |
Wacktopia
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
260
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Posted - 2012.09.17 16:07:00 -
[98] - Quote
Yeah sure I'd carry on playing. I'd miss PLEX but it's not the game.
I never understood why most players with an average job would not just pay to play the game unless they are in a position to earn ISK effortlessly enough to just not case about spending it on PLEX.
I've heard people say things like "I could easily afford to pay but I just like grinding to play for free" before and it's never really hit home. I guess there is some sense of acheivement or bragging rights to say you "play for free".
The fact that is sometimes overlooked in this area of discussion is that every PLEX was bought by a player. So regardless of whether you play by paying CCP directly or by grinding for a plex, someone somewhere paid CCP for that game time.
Would CCP get rid of PLEX? No chance - they are actually making more money on PLEX than on direct payment. Check your Account Management page; PLEX prices are higher than directly paid for game time.
PLEX is here to stay and making CCP a lot of money. The bottom line is that now I have one of those annoying signatures. |
Denidil
Evocations of Shadow Eternal Evocations
518
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Posted - 2012.09.17 16:10:00 -
[99] - Quote
Doc Severide wrote:Sugar Kyle wrote:I pay my accounts by the year. Sugar you're so cute... I pay 5 accounts once a year. Cash only. I believe CCP should actually get paid for their hard work...
CCP gets paid via PLEX
wtf is it with people and not understanding that PLEX or sub is still money in CCP's pocket?
DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND HOW PLEX WORKS?
Player 1 buys X-day GTC <--- CCP GETS MONEY Player 1 converts X-day GTC into (x/30) PLEXes Player 1 Posts (x/30) PLEXes on the market
Other players buy PLEX Other players use PLEX
in fact CCP gets MORE MONEY from plex than it does from subs. my three accounts are all yearly paid - and they give you about a 40% discount for doing that. Tedium and difficulty are not the same thing, if you don't realize this then STFU about game design. |
Denidil
Evocations of Shadow Eternal Evocations
518
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Posted - 2012.09.17 16:16:00 -
[100] - Quote
Ryhss wrote:Paul Oliver wrote:Ryhss wrote:I wouldn't play if PLEX was removed. Why because you might have to work for your isk instead of buying it? No, because with PLEX I play for free.
no you don't. how long does it take you to earn the 400m-500m for a plex?
Tedium and difficulty are not the same thing, if you don't realize this then STFU about game design. |
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highonpop
Eve Liberation Force Fatal Ascension
304
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Posted - 2012.09.17 16:17:00 -
[101] - Quote
I would still be here. I rarely use plex. I have 2 accounts that I pay for month-to-month on my CC. Have been doing this for years.
I don't care to pay several months in advance, I dont care to use in game ISK to pay for PLEX for game time. The only time I generally purchase PLEX is if I HAVE to get something big that I dont have the ISK for and can not wait to get it. Then, I will buy just 1 or 2 PLEX and sell them in Jita from my highsec alt.
People who rely on purchasing and selling plex as their means of ISK income suck at EVE and probably don't enjoy it very much. I see no problems with people who are really good at making ISK in game to PLEX their accounts, I just don't do it. I'm not that dedicated to ratting. I know guys that use a tengu with carrier support (fighter drones) that rat for hours on end and make several billion a week. Just no my cup-o-tea.
http://www.soundboard.com/sb/Very%20best%20of%20Makalu%20Zarya
R.I.P Vile Rat http://evemaps.dotlan.net/live/Outpost/Rename/2012-09-12 |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
261
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Posted - 2012.09.17 16:41:00 -
[102] - Quote
Sugar Kyle wrote:I pay my accounts by the year. Same here.
Also, yet another peron who doesn't know how plex works. CCP is paid when you buy the plex, not when it's used.
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SealteamXI
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.09.17 16:52:00 -
[103] - Quote
Isn't PLEX actually cheaper than sub when you buy GTC and convert them? |
Barakach
R-ISK Shadow Operations.
78
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Posted - 2012.09.17 17:15:00 -
[104] - Quote
Plex only worse as a vessel to allow people to swap in-game time for out-of-game time.
I've been making about 250m isk/day for the past few months. I could afford about 15 plex/month on that average. There is no way I could afford $300 in plex/month.
In the end, the system balances itself. Plex is a zero-sum game. All it really does is shuffle ISK around. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
4622
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Posted - 2012.09.17 17:19:00 -
[105] - Quote
Ashera Yune wrote:Let say that CCP decided that PLEX was a hassle for them to deal with since owing unused game time made the vulture investors unhappy.
Let say all PLEX was wiped out and the owners would be given game time in replace.
In order to play again, you will like everyone else pay a subscription fee, just like WOW.
Would you still be playing? Would you have as many accounts as you currently have?
IIRC, approximately 1/3 of EVE acccounts use PLEX for gametime.
I'm gonna go ahead and say that the Vulture Capitalists think PLEX are a bloody marvellous idea.
As do I. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
4622
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Posted - 2012.09.17 17:19:00 -
[106] - Quote
SealteamXI wrote:Isn't PLEX actually cheaper than sub when you buy GTC and convert them?
No, they're more expensive. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Nub Sauce
State War Academy Caldari State
54
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Posted - 2012.09.17 17:53:00 -
[107] - Quote
I'd still be playing and it wouldn't bother me at all. I'm against RMT, actually.
I make enough money in about an hour to sub all of my accounts for a month. There's no way I'd grind for isk to pay for plex.
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Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
582
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Posted - 2012.09.17 18:06:00 -
[108] - Quote
None of us actually know how many would continue to play.
Sometimes, the obvious just needs to said. You want fries with that? |
Natasha Taggart
2
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Posted - 2012.09.17 18:10:00 -
[109] - Quote
if this game is soooooooo expensive youll emoragequit over paying for it, then get on sucker, leave the universe to me!!! Leave me your stuff please, I need more "stuff"! |
Plaude Pollard
Crimson Cartel
76
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Posted - 2012.09.17 18:13:00 -
[110] - Quote
I would certainly stay. I've never had a single PLEX run through my inventory, mostly because I have better things to waste my ISK on. New to EVE? Want to learn? The Crimson Cartel will train you in the fields of your choice. Mainly active in EU afternoons and evenings. Contact me for more info. |
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Hauling Hal
The Black Ops Black Core Alliance
90
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Posted - 2012.09.17 18:46:00 -
[111] - Quote
If you understood the purpose of PLEX, you wouldn't have asked such a stupid question. PLEX is an extremely clever idea by CCP. |
Cat Troll
Systems Federation Coalition of Galactic Unity
3
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Posted - 2012.09.17 18:55:00 -
[112] - Quote
PLEX balances itself out and other people already explained it. But my personal experience with it is this: I tried this game for the first time, but had too much on my hands in real life to use up the 14 trial days. I tried again, but RL blocked me again. The third time, I asked a friend that I know he playes EVE to give me a 21 day trial. This time I had no problem and I liked this game, so I subscribed to it. The first thing I noticed is this: My friend is way the hell ahead of me in terms of ISK, he was flying a Drake while I could barely affored a frigate. But I wanted to be more helpful in PvE, so I started skilling for using Destroyers. Soon enough, I flown the Destroyers and loved it. But I wanted MOAR, I wanted cruisers. I tried to start skilling for them and oh, ISK is needed for skillbooks. I didn't want to grind for it, so I just bought a PLEX, bought the books and trained, and bought me a cruiser. And just like that, I got me some firepower that otherwise I would need to grind for. And now I could do Level 4's with my friend without having the fear of "oh, new ships came in that aren't agroed on the Drake" and then die because they sneezed on my frigate.
TL;DR PLEX is a good way to catch up with your friends. |
Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
582
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Posted - 2012.09.17 19:08:00 -
[113] - Quote
Cat Troll wrote:PLEX balances itself out and other people already explained it. But my personal experience with it is this: I tried this game for the first time, but had too much on my hands in real life to use up the 14 trial days. I tried again, but RL blocked me again. The third time, I asked a friend that I know he playes EVE to give me a 21 day trial. This time I had no problem and I liked this game, so I subscribed to it. The first thing I noticed is this: My friend is way the hell ahead of me in terms of ISK, he was flying a Drake while I could barely affored a frigate. But I wanted to be more helpful in PvE, so I started skilling for using Destroyers. Soon enough, I flown the Destroyers and loved it. But I wanted MOAR, I wanted cruisers. I tried to start skilling for them and oh, ISK is needed for skillbooks. I didn't want to grind for it, so I just bought a PLEX, bought the books and trained, and bought me a cruiser. And just like that, I got me some firepower that otherwise I would need to grind for. And now I could do Level 4's with my friend without having the fear of "oh, new ships came in that aren't agroed on the Drake" and then die because they sneezed on my frigate.
TL;DR PLEX is a good way to catch up with your friends.
Although I have no really strong views on PLEX, the above statement seems to me to be the downside of PLEX.
why play Eve when you can just buy Eve? You want fries with that? |
Cat Troll
Systems Federation Coalition of Galactic Unity
3
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Posted - 2012.09.17 19:13:00 -
[114] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Cat Troll wrote:PLEX balances itself out and other people already explained it. But my personal experience with it is this: I tried this game for the first time, but had too much on my hands in real life to use up the 14 trial days. I tried again, but RL blocked me again. The third time, I asked a friend that I know he playes EVE to give me a 21 day trial. This time I had no problem and I liked this game, so I subscribed to it. The first thing I noticed is this: My friend is way the hell ahead of me in terms of ISK, he was flying a Drake while I could barely affored a frigate. But I wanted to be more helpful in PvE, so I started skilling for using Destroyers. Soon enough, I flown the Destroyers and loved it. But I wanted MOAR, I wanted cruisers. I tried to start skilling for them and oh, ISK is needed for skillbooks. I didn't want to grind for it, so I just bought a PLEX, bought the books and trained, and bought me a cruiser. And just like that, I got me some firepower that otherwise I would need to grind for. And now I could do Level 4's with my friend without having the fear of "oh, new ships came in that aren't agroed on the Drake" and then die because they sneezed on my frigate.
TL;DR PLEX is a good way to catch up with your friends. Although I have no really strong views on PLEX, the above statement seems to me to be the downside of PLEX. why play Eve when you can just buy Eve? You seem to not understand my point.
A. it helps newbie players to keep up with the veterans
B. it helps people with not enough time on their hands
It can be taken either way, but as long as the ISK isn't poping out of nowhere but someone is actually paying for it, its ok IMHO. I'm now enjoying much more the game, much sooner than if I had to grind for the money. |
Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
582
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Posted - 2012.09.17 19:38:00 -
[115] - Quote
I respect and understand you point of view.
But for me, buying PLEX to avoid what you call 'grinding' I call 'buying' Eve rather than playing/grinding Eve to get enough isk to buy ships etc.
Yes, I do see the need for PLEX.
It is great (apart from the financial benefits to CCP) for those players who may have limited play time and only want tp pvp etc.
Still, each to their own I suppose. You want fries with that? |
Cat Troll
Systems Federation Coalition of Galactic Unity
3
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Posted - 2012.09.17 19:41:00 -
[116] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:I respect and understand you point of view.
But for me, buying PLEX to avoid what you call 'grinding' I call 'buying' Eve rather than playing/grinding Eve to get enough isk to buy ships etc.
Yes, I do see the need for PLEX.
It is great (apart from the financial benefits to CCP) for those players who may have limited play time and only want tp pvp etc.
Still, each to their own I suppose. And that's how arguing on the internet should be done. At this point one of us would be trolling and name calling to try and convince the other side that their opinion is true. Lolwut: "Yes, you kids don't know how lucky you have it. These days noobs get given free tackle ships for PvP but back in the old days the only tackle ships we were given were our pods. We had to use them to bump their rookie ships out of alignment to stop them warping off." |
Webvan
State War Academy Caldari State
69
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Posted - 2012.09.17 19:45:00 -
[117] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Webvan wrote:The loan is on DUST, PLEX or less accounts in EVE would not effect that. Been a long time since server upgrades, shouldn't still be in the red there. This is all preposterous, really. Sky falling? Yes, having less cash inflow when you have to pay interest is just fine as long as the interest is for the other thing... It was for the launch of DUST. I don't think they even really needed the loan. It used to be that many loans were backed with full collateral or full coverage for the loan in the bank, as opposed to what led to the housing crash in the US. This is good for building a better credit rating for the future, making CCP a better risk for future investors. When they start to focus in on WoD, fully funded, it'll be at less risk to the survival of the company.
But this whole thread is just another take on "EVE is dieingGäó" heh |
ugh zug
52
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Posted - 2012.09.17 21:06:00 -
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Evil Incarn8 wrote:I would rejoice.
PLEX is a blight that brought many detrimental changes to EvE, its removal would be the first step to returning EvE to its former glory.
this, but it will never happen. ccp makes too much money off its' in house pay to win scheme. Want me to shut up?-á Send me ISK and i'll stop giving suggestions to CCP that make sense. Remove content from my post, 15 bil. Remove my content from a thread I have started 30bil. |
Peter Tjordenskiold
20
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Posted - 2012.09.17 21:40:00 -
[119] - Quote
Buying plex is a sort of pay to win. Some pilots never learned to make ISK ingame. I don't care whether they make ISK with grinding, scamming, trading or mining. Making ISK should be an essential part of the game |
Arbiter Reformed
Analog Folk
52
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Posted - 2012.09.17 22:42:00 -
[120] - Quote
had a mate who plexed 17 accounts a year lulz |
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Mars Theran
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
286
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Posted - 2012.09.18 00:07:00 -
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Malka Badi'a wrote:Mars Theran wrote:-Uninformed opinion masked as a novel- The cute thing here is that you assume that 500m ISK is a lot for most ISK-grinders to reach each month. That's 16.6m ISK per day. Mission runners sneeze that in an hour, excluding LP and salvage. Wormhole pilots get that just for remembering their EVE password. If 16.6m ISK per day is a difficult process for you to sustain, on top of cooking, cleaning, and having a job/family then perhaps you should reevaluate your choice to play a video game with your ******* forehead.
You should reread my 3rd paragraph.
I know how easy it can be to make ISK in EVE, having achieved 100-150 million an hour at one point when I wanted it. Granted it had its limitations as you couldn't continuously make that amount, but when you could you did, and it was well worth it. Not much more than a few hours a week or more, but still there and possible for those doing it.
Probably more now, given some recent changes in the in-game economy. I have deleted and cleared my signature 7 times and it still won't go away. |
Bart Starr
Aggressive Structural Steel Expediting Services
16
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Posted - 2012.09.18 01:23:00 -
[122] - Quote
Why should I give CCP my hard-earned money, when I can get some other poor sap to do it for me? Passive ISK income FTW.
3x Accounts PLEXed, haven't given CCP a dime since early 2008.
TY, Plex sellers. |
Alexzandvar Douglass
NUTS AND BOLTS MANUFACTURING En Garde
91
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Posted - 2012.09.18 01:25:00 -
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Since I'm 16, I don't have a job, yet the money from my internships has more than payed for all my many game subscriptions for many months and years to come.
I pay yearly for EVE for two accounts, and plan on expanded out with PLEXs
I pay yearly for 1 WoW account
I pay yearly for 1 Runescape account
I have a massive game library in Steam and Origin.
PLEX's are just CCPs way of keeping the bittervets ''Somewhat" subscribed, not to mention let other players like me expand to have many accounts.
All though much has to be said if the bittervets are the problem with EvE or not, considering it might be nice to have some progress with out the constant grumpy old grandpa fan base yelling about "back in my day" every 2 minutes. |
Zeran Kariashi
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.09.18 05:45:00 -
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Probably leave. The main reason I don't mind the ridiculously long training times where your character doesn't progress at all for 2 months is because it isn't costing me any actual money to do so. When I'm paying a subscription with real money I feel almost obligated to try and play as much as possible to get my money's worth, and unfortunately my character isn't the most exciting one to play, so I tend to get bored shortly after hitting my quotas and then seeing that huge month+ training queue has barely been dented. |
Pierced Brosmen
Obstergo Exhale.
105
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Posted - 2012.09.18 07:52:00 -
[125] - Quote
Sugar Kyle wrote:I pay my accounts by the year. So do I. I played before there was PLEX and I'd continue to play if the PLEX went away. |
Cat Troll
Systems Federation Coalition of Galactic Unity
3
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Posted - 2012.09.18 10:42:00 -
[126] - Quote
Peter Tjordenskiold wrote:Buying plex is a sort of pay to win. Some pilots never learned to make ISK ingame. I don't care whether they make ISK with grinding, scamming, trading or mining. Making ISK should be an essential part of the game Not really, you don't get anything you can't get without paying. An example for pay to win: Golden ammo in world of tanks. Lolwut: "Yes, you kids don't know how lucky you have it. These days noobs get given free tackle ships for PvP but back in the old days the only tackle ships we were given were our pods. We had to use them to bump their rookie ships out of alignment to stop them warping off." |
Sanderton
2plus2isfive BricK sQuAD.
0
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Posted - 2012.09.18 11:03:00 -
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Marcus Harikari wrote:I would still play only if my drake got 10 missile hardpoints and shield recharge rate was 1.5x current. Otherwise, I'd move on to WoW.
You consider WoW a viable alternative for EVE? You sir suck ^^
*To the point>
Removing PLEXes would surely have some ups and downs. At least I'd be rich in-game not having to plex 3 accounts but then again I could only afford to pay for 1 IRL. A lot of alts would disappear for sure. < Not necessarily a bad thing.
PLEX or not nothing can keep me away from EVE (for now :> ). |
TharOkha
0asis Group
49
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Posted - 2012.09.18 11:11:00 -
[128] - Quote
I would probably cancel/deactivate my alt, but i will play with my main even if PLEX will be removed. GÇ£If reality can destroy the dream, why shouldn't the dream destroy reality?GÇ¥ |
Colonel Xaven
Decadence. RAZOR Alliance
156
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Posted - 2012.09.18 11:32:00 -
[129] - Quote
Sanderton wrote: A lot of alts would disappear for sure. < Not necessarily a bad thing.
This.
I think all in all PLEX is an okay-ish deal between ISK-workers and RL workers, but besides that I think it's still far too cheap. |
Idris Helion
University of Caille Gallente Federation
73
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Posted - 2012.09.18 14:29:00 -
[130] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Although I have no really strong views on PLEX, the above statement seems to me to be the downside of PLEX.
why play Eve when you can just buy Eve?
I disagree with this mainly because winning in EVE doesn't mean having the most expensive stuff; it's having the best skills.
Yes, you can buy a skilled-up toon, but if you want to skill up a toon you already have, the only way to do that is time.
EVE is the only MMO I can think of where RMT doesn't really impact the core gameplay mechanic all that much -- you can have the best gear the game has to offer and still suck if your skills aren't up to snuff. And it's not just skill points, either: as many players have stated, EVE is won or lost in the fitting window, and in the strategies and skills players bring to the game.
EVE is unique among most online games in that player skill actually matters to your progression in the game: I may be able to afford a Titan, and technically have the skills to fly one, but that doesn't mean I'll be competent at it. (In fact, it probably means some opposing fleet is simply going to get a cheap killmail in the first engagement my Titan enters.)
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
135
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Posted - 2012.09.18 19:18:00 -
[131] - Quote
Doc Severide wrote:La Nariz wrote:Doc Severide wrote:Elvis Fett wrote:I would quit EVE for sure. Not because there are no more PLEX, but because there are no more people playing the game. Get rid of PLEX and watch at least half the players go with it. I'd say good riddance. If people can't see the play value in a lousy 15 buck a month it's sad... Good thing npc alt ~opinions~ don't matter . The likes I get say otherwise. Besides that's old and tired fool..parroted by old and tired fools.... I got 9 toons and they all think the same thing. The world is full of "I can't afford it but I damn well got the RIGHT to have it anyway" people. If your too bloody cheap to pay for the game when you can then you don't really want to play...and good riddance when you leave...
Yeah npc alt ~opinions~ still don't matter try again. Goonwaffe is now recruiting feel free to message me in game for information about joining! |
Clone 851912
Heaven's End League of Infamy
0
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Posted - 2012.09.19 20:41:00 -
[132] - Quote
I would continue playing as a have been since '03. |
Area51
Aliastra Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.09.19 22:11:00 -
[133] - Quote
I would still play but prolly just one account now. (I currently have 2) I'm from a little asian country and for a while PLEX was the only way for me to pay. |
Natasha Taggart
119
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Posted - 2012.09.19 22:57:00 -
[134] - Quote
I think your seeing it wrong, its not "pay to win"... Its pay to lose!
Sure some noob can buy a battleship or whatever, but its not like they have the skill to really fly it properly and keep it from exploding. They pay for the game, pay for plex too, lose ships left right and center... eventually quit playing because its too expensive for a losing hobby... who cares if they can get fast ISK, its a sinkhole for ISK anyway thats attached to that type of player, and a huge boon to the indy pilots, and miners who are sending goods to market head to help maintain the flow of ships and such for a ISK rich crowd.
Who cares, let them buy plex, I'll end up with alot of it, and so can anyone else who plans it right... Its not about what you can buy, or destroy... its about what you can KEEP! at lest imho.
Space kitty loves other pilots plex, keep buying!!! |
Soundwave Plays Diablo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
131
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Posted - 2012.09.19 22:59:00 -
[135] - Quote
Webvan wrote:Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:Webvan wrote:Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:Jerick Ludhowe wrote:getting rid of plex and giving us a true sandbox again? Yea.. I'd most certainly still play You'd pay on a hacked server because tranquility would go down when CCP couldn't pay the bill. There would be layoffs, possibly, but EVE has existed with far less active accounts than it does today. Not saying I agree with any such removal of PLEX, it's a silly thought. Though ideas of shutting down over PLEX removal is just as erroneous. There's no question about it really. The server existed with far less players on it before, but that was on a smaller server, and pre loan. Post loan they openly admitted that the Incarna exodus almost broke them. A PLEX exodus would trump the Incarna rage by several magnitudes. The loan is on DUST, PLEX or less accounts in EVE would not effect that. Been a long time since server upgrades, shouldn't still be in the red there. This is all preposterous, really. Sky falling?
Yes when they don't pay the loans and the server that is collateral for said loan is repossessed it wont have any affect on tranquility.
Sigh. The sky is not falling. This is a hypothetical, and a terrible one at that.
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Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
171
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Posted - 2012.09.20 12:09:00 -
[136] - Quote
La Nariz wrote:Doc Severide wrote:La Nariz wrote:Doc Severide wrote:Elvis Fett wrote:I would quit EVE for sure. Not because there are no more PLEX, but because there are no more people playing the game. Get rid of PLEX and watch at least half the players go with it. I'd say good riddance. If people can't see the play value in a lousy 15 buck a month it's sad... Good thing npc alt ~opinions~ don't matter . The likes I get say otherwise. Besides that's old and tired fool..parroted by old and tired fools.... I got 9 toons and they all think the same thing. The world is full of "I can't afford it but I damn well got the RIGHT to have it anyway" people. If your too bloody cheap to pay for the game when you can then you don't really want to play...and good riddance when you leave... Yeah npc alt ~opinions~ still don't matter try again. Says who? You? Your just another nobody in a sea of nobodies. Just like me...and everyone else...and I got lots of likes so FO...lolol |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
249
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Posted - 2012.09.20 14:20:00 -
[137] - Quote
If PLEX (probably THE cash cow that lets eve continue and expand to the point it has) goes away, I'd surely go from 4 accounts to maybe 2 (or one and just become a cyno beggar for my carrier lol).
I do get a kick at the folks who talk about how easy it is to pay with cash, the whole "2 hamburgers a month" thing. What they don't get is that every single individual experiences different circumstances and preferences.
Under the circumstances I could not justify to myself or my family a 60 dollar a month bill to play a game with 12 characters, not when we are trying to save for college and put other cash away for other things. And overtime? any overtime I get goes to the same goals.
I work in law enforcement, like hell I'm going to sign up for extra shifts to deal with knuckle heads and tweakers so i can play a video game. I'd much rather spend that time at home drinking beer shooting the **** with some bros on comms while doing Incursions or exploring to get the isk to keep playing the game.
What I DO have in abundance is TIME because of my wacky work schedule, time when the wife is at work or away on business, when the kids are at school or with my parents or in-laws, or when I take some of the mandatory "well being leave" my employer makes us take to get away from the stress of the job. Many people find EVE PVE boring, but after a 10 hour shift of dealing with pure human crap, it's down right relaxing.
PLEX lets me turn that free time into game time. It's literally one of the coolest things about EVE.
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Cat Troll
Systems Federation Coalition of Galactic Unity
3
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Posted - 2012.09.20 15:13:00 -
[138] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:If PLEX (probably THE cash cow that lets eve continue and expand to the point it has) goes away, I'd surely go from 4 accounts to maybe 2 (or one and just become a cyno beggar for my carrier lol).
I do get a kick at the folks who talk about how easy it is to pay with cash, the whole "2 hamburgers a month" thing. What they don't get is that every single individual experiences different circumstances and preferences.
Under the circumstances I could not justify to myself or my family a 60 dollar a month bill to play a game with 12 characters, not when we are trying to save for college and put other cash away for other things. And overtime? any overtime I get goes to the same goals.
I work in law enforcement, like hell I'm going to sign up for extra shifts to deal with knuckle heads and tweakers so i can play a video game. I'd much rather spend that time at home drinking beer shooting the **** with some bros on comms while doing Incursions or exploring to get the isk to keep playing the game.
What I DO have in abundance is TIME because of my wacky work schedule, time when the wife is at work or away on business, when the kids are at school or with my parents or in-laws, or when I take some of the mandatory "well being leave" my employer makes us take to get away from the stress of the job. Many people find EVE PVE boring, but after a 10 hour shift of dealing with pure human crap, it's down right relaxing.
PLEX lets me turn that free time into game time. It's literally one of the coolest things about EVE.
Never looked at it that way. I guess some people really can't (well in your case, shouldn't) deal with 15 dollars a month for a single character. In the end, CCP gets their money, so no harm is done. Lolwut: "Yes, you kids don't know how lucky you have it. These days noobs get given free tackle ships for PvP but back in the old days the only tackle ships we were given were our pods. We had to use them to bump their rookie ships out of alignment to stop them warping off." |
Rodj Blake
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1120
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Posted - 2012.09.20 16:14:00 -
[139] - Quote
Not only would I still play if PLEX were removed from the game, I'd probably enjoy it a lot more. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere
159
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Posted - 2012.09.20 22:11:00 -
[140] - Quote
Confirming that i would still play if PLEX didn't exist.
I went through a poor period of my life where PLEX were awesome, allowing me to keep playing eve even though i didn't have any cash. Took hours of chain ratting in null to do it, but it was worth it to keep playing this awesome game. PLEX's are definately one of the best additions to EvE!
Now i'm flush with cash, i'd rather keep all my well earned isk, and i've even bought a bunch of PLEX to sell for isk. That carrier wasn't going to pay for itself. |
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations Paper Tiger Coalition
371
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Posted - 2012.09.21 15:29:00 -
[141] - Quote
Adoro wrote:Jamie Banks wrote:I would drop down to 1 character.
And I would play the game for the games sake instead of playing the game to pay my subscription to play the game. This. I pay EVE with cash exactly for this reason. Also I'm not a poor student sod IRL so why spend time on making EVE money whilst I can make a lot more money in real life 10 times faster and just pay? Time = Money 1 hour rl works equals atleast one month of EVE sub. I find it hard to make 500mil (1 plex) in the same time
Or , why spend rl money while you are making more then enough ingame money to pay for it.Now if you need to 'grind' then i can see the point but if you enjoy an activity wich allready creates more then enough to cover ingame expenses(shiplosses etc) and still have isk left i'd go with plex everyday. The surest way to remain poor is to be an honest man ...-á |
Ishen Villone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
35
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Posted - 2012.09.21 17:32:00 -
[142] - Quote
Um, yeah, CCP makes a ton of money off PLEXs. In the event that CCP went bonkers (well, more bonkers) and decided that they didn't like having money, I would probably not be running so many accounts. I'd dump the less-useful alts and consolidate down to one account, possibly two.
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Nikolai Dostoyevski
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
47
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Posted - 2012.09.21 17:47:00 -
[143] - Quote
Never bought, sold, used, looted or owned PLEX... so wouldn't matter to me at all if it was removed.
I just pay for my 3 accounts. It's very little money per month when it comes down to it and I'd rather spend the ISK I get on PVP-ships. |
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