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Vrynn Callibri
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Posted - 2011.06.25 13:43:00 -
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Edited by: Vrynn Callibri on 25/06/2011 13:43:57
Yeah I posted this in another thread, but someone needs to voice a non-mob mentality driven opinion...
I am so angry at CCP that I'm going to RAAAAAAAAAAAAGE STAY.
...2026 accounts so far out of some 40,000 on almost any given day/hour of logging in is a significant number? Grow up and quit whining, if you don't like the NX don't use it, I don't intend to...its THAT simple. All of you whined and cried because "Incarna" was promised years ago and didn't happen, NOW that it has you're whining and crying that it came out and isn't to your vision of perfection. Get over your own self importance and STFU or GTFO. Fewer bitter vets will improve EvE dramatically i/m/h/o.
...flame away lemmings.
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Velani Askiras
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Posted - 2011.06.25 13:47:00 -
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Originally by: Vrynn Callibri
Edited by: Vrynn Callibri on 25/06/2011 13:43:57
Yeah I posted this in another thread, but someone needs to voice a non-mob mentality driven opinion...
I am so angry at CCP that I'm going to RAAAAAAAAAAAAGE STAY.
...2026 accounts so far out of some 40,000 on almost any given day/hour of logging in is a significant number? Grow up and quit whining, if you don't like the NX don't use it, I don't intend to...its THAT simple. All of you whined and cried because "Incarna" was promised years ago and didn't happen, NOW that it has you're whining and crying that it came out and isn't to your vision of perfection. Get over your own self importance and STFU or GTFO. Fewer bitter vets will improve EvE dramatically i/m/h/o.
...flame away lemmings.
Not flaming...
But you obviously missed the point...
They do loose more $$$ with 2000+ less subs than they gained with 52 monocles...
So, was the MT shop really worth it ? I don't think so.
My 4 accounts run out in 9 days, i won't resub, Perpetuum looks interesting ;)
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Vrynn Callibri
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Posted - 2011.06.25 13:47:00 -
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*bump*
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Driselle
Minmatar
21st Eridani Lighthorse
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Posted - 2011.06.25 14:43:00 -
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I like it better than ship spinning, but it DOES load slower than the simple hangar bay. I don't see why people are quitting because of it however - I mean, does it REALLY change the game that much? Especially if it can be disabled? Seriously?
People will say that EvE is about the pew pew (hell even CCP makes a point of it) but really, isn't the open-endedness of the game kindof what makes EvE EvE? There are PVPers and griefers and explorers and people who actually LIKE to mine (who aren't bots, believe it or not) and even a fairly large group of roleplayers. For SOME of them the changes that Incarna brings are for the better, for the others CCP made it so it can be disabled.
...so what's the problem again?
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Sleven Saken
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Posted - 2011.06.25 14:47:00 -
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people are rage quiting over the NX and a document that was designed to brainstorm where it could lead
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Medarr
Amarr
Vengance Inc.
Wayfarer Stellar Initiative
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Posted - 2011.06.25 14:48:00 -
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Originally by: Sleven Saken
people are rage quiting over the NX and a document that was designed to brainstorm where it could lead
This ^
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So Sensational
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2011.06.25 14:49:00 -
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Edited by: So Sensational on 25/06/2011 14:49:41
Originally by: Vrynn Callibri
Edited by: Vrynn Callibri on 25/06/2011 13:43:57
Yeah I posted this in another thread, but someone needs to voice a non-mob mentality driven opinion...
I am so angry at CCP that I'm going to RAAAAAAAAAAAAGE STAY.
...2026 accounts so far out of some 40,000 on almost any given day/hour of logging in is a significant number? Grow up and quit whining, if you don't like the NX don't use it, I don't intend to...its THAT simple. All of you whined and cried because "Incarna" was promised years ago and didn't happen, NOW that it has you're whining and crying that it came out and isn't to your vision of perfection. Get over your own self importance and STFU or GTFO. Fewer bitter vets will improve EvE dramatically i/m/h/o.
...flame away lemmings.
2096 people who bothered to come onto the forums to try and salvage what they can. Do you know how many people don't bother posting on here but still care about this game?
Do you know what happens to a company that delivers a service when the costumers of that company become dissatisfied? Have you heard of the phrase word of mouth? Do you understand the concept of PR disaster? This **** can kill EVE or at the very 'least any future prospects for EVE, no matter how hard they try to ignore it. The issue at hand doesn't even matter, this is one of the biggest ragestorms I've seen in the genre, that's bad enough on it's own.
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Roosterton
Internet SpaceCraft Raiding Fleet
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Posted - 2011.06.25 14:50:00 -
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People aren't quitting over high AURUM prices. They're quitting over a newsletter suggesting that CCP is considering introducing non-vanity items into NEX, something they promised on multiple occasions not to do. To attempt to fix the situation, they published a devblog that was supposed to give some answers, but in fact dodged the question entirely of "Will you introduce non-vanity items for Aurum?" Then, to rub salt in the wound, an E-mail from Hilmar leaked that effectively said "**** the players, ignore what they say, we're doing what we want."
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Originally by: Tarminic
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kitteh Daphiti
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Posted - 2011.06.25 14:53:00 -
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and its ignorant small minded tunnel visioned people like you that are inciting people to mob CCP is a corperation how do you people keep forgetting that?
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Inca Jones
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Posted - 2011.06.25 14:54:00 -
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I don't care about incarna, seems like a good idea, but nothing much for me to do in it atm. I am not a bitter vet.
All i want to know is if p2win with subs is likely or being strongly considered to be introduced so i can decide whether to play this game or not. If that is rage and whining, then so be it. I don't feel it is an unreasonable request especially as i am at the begining of my eve journey and so would be far less painful to cut it short now rather than later.
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Ovip Baniwa
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Posted - 2011.06.25 14:55:00 -
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Originally by: Roosterton
People aren't quitting over high AURUM prices. They're quitting over a newsletter suggesting that CCP is considering introducing non-vanity items into NEX, something they promised on multiple occasions not to do.
There is pro and a con view in this newsletter forming a debate. Why are you unable to understand that?
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Mr Epeen
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Posted - 2011.06.25 14:55:00 -
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Originally by: Sleven Saken
people are rage quiting over the NX and a document that was designed to brainstorm where it could lead
No.
People are rage quitting because it's the flavor of the month. Period
Mr Epeen 
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Sleven Saken
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Posted - 2011.06.25 14:56:00 -
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ok Mr Epeen you have won this round but i shall win the next mwuahahahah so when every one is done there period we should be able to move on then?
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Vinyl Pants
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Posted - 2011.06.25 14:59:00 -
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You shouldn't look at everyone canceling subscriptions as a "rage quit" its about talking with your wallet.
If you are unhappy with your bank and the fee's they charge, you close your account and go to another bank.
If people don't speak with their wallets, then no company will listen. I've played eve myself now for over 5 years.
I agree with lots of the other people on here that the actions by CCP are inappropriate and yes, I don't like them, so I've chosen to cancel 2 of my 3 subscriptions.
I'm not entirely against micro-transactions, they clearly seem to benefit other games, but I think charging players 60 bucks for a single in-game monocle is inappropriate.
So no rage here, just plain quit :)
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Aeveen
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:00:00 -
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Edited by: Aeveen on 25/06/2011 15:00:57
Originally by: Vrynn Callibri
Edited by: Vrynn Callibri on 25/06/2011 13:51:35
Originally by: Velani Askiras
Originally by: Vrynn Callibri
Edited by: Vrynn Callibri on 25/06/2011 13:43:57
Yeah I posted this in another thread, but someone needs to voice a non-mob mentality driven opinion...
I am so angry at CCP that I'm going to RAAAAAAAAAAAAGE STAY.
...2026 accounts so far out of some 40,000 on almost any given day/hour of logging in is a significant number? Grow up and quit whining, if you don't like the NX don't use it, I don't intend to...its THAT simple. All of you whined and cried because "Incarna" was promised years ago and didn't happen, NOW that it has you're whining and crying that it came out and isn't to your vision of perfection. Get over your own self importance and STFU or GTFO. Fewer bitter vets will improve EvE dramatically i/m/h/o.
...flame away lemmings.
Not flaming...
But you obviously missed the point...
They do loose more $$$ with 2000+ less subs than they gained with 52 monocles...
So, was the MT shop really worth it ? I don't think so.
My 4 accounts run out in 9 days, i won't resub, Perpetuum looks interesting ;)
Thank you for sharing an honest opinion, but I have to say that the rage reaction to the NX is premature and the typical "rage-quit" response that has happened with ANY change in EvE...knee-jerk reations never solve anything, plain and simple.
There is no knee-jerk here. Clearly you very very mis-informed as to what is actually going on right now. Please take some time to read the thousands of post's clearly explaining the rage. Yes you have to shift through the posts that look like there written by an 8 year old but it's worth it.
Simply put the leaked (and confirmed) documents from CCP show the direction they plan to take NeX. They DO NOT want to use NeX for just vanity items. i WILL NOT play a monthly fee for a game and then be required to also buy items from the in-game shop to compete.
The rest of you can stand around with your thumbs up your ass all you want. We won't.
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Thom Baron
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:04:00 -
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I'm raging/not resubbing because:
A) CCP refuse to acknowledge technical issues preventing many people from installing/repairing the client due to corrupt files/failrepair.
B) CCP lied to us. blatantly. They said there would be no MT, they were not contemplating MT, there is MT.
C) CCP will not listen to its users even the tiniest bit.. Sure I dont expect them to do everything we say, but I expect them to at least consider what we say, rather than just say 'we're doing this, no argument'
D) Future development funding/time will be aimed at MT, because MT is more profitable.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: Ovip Baniwa
Originally by: Roosterton
People aren't quitting over high AURUM prices. They're quitting over a newsletter suggesting that CCP is considering introducing non-vanity items into NEX, something they promised on multiple occasions not to do.
There is pro and a con view in this newsletter forming a debate. Why are you unable to understand that?
Have you ever worked in a corporation big enough to have newsletters like that?
They are made by the upper brass to convey their directions to the underlings groupthink and their messages are usually like this:
1) Standing ovations about the new Corp Ideals (in our case ALL the pages except 1), see anything "odd" with that?)
2) A weak, usually lower rank underling stating a timid counter-opinion that gets relegated to the lower side (= reinforcing submission) of a page. And guess? We have it!
3) the Predominant Ideal is brought forth by someone Important (the Lead Game Designer in this case), on the upper side of the page (=reinforcing dominance) and he's in the so called "Team Awesome", that is the predominating internal corporate "current". The "underling" of course is a lonely abandoned buy.
4) The following text just ignoring 2) and continuing on with the New Corporate Ideal. And we have it.
So, yes, they have a debate. It's the canned and rigged default "debate" you see in verticistic corporations.
Why are you unable to understand that?
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Ameli Shiyurida
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:14:00 -
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There is only a handful of them quitting anyway, and they'll be back on alts in a few months with all their stuff in hand and going back at it like nothing ever happened. Boo hoo, ccp took away my precious ship spinning so I'm gonna throw a tantrum. And they act like the wow players are a bunch of babies... |
Val'Dore
Word Bearers of Chaos
Word of Chaos Undivided
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:16:00 -
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You should at the very least be apprehensive about CCP right now, anyone totally satisfied with what is going on, just plain doesn't know what is going on.
~No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously.~
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Medarr
Amarr
Vengance Inc.
Wayfarer Stellar Initiative
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:17:00 -
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wha wha * watches people rage quit *
Can I haz your at stuffz?
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Syn Callibri
Minmatar
21st Eridani Lighthorse
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Epeen
Originally by: Sleven Saken
people are rage quiting over the NX and a document that was designed to brainstorm where it could lead
No.
People are rage quitting because it's the flavor of the month. Period
Mr Epeen
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This...+1 to you Mr. Epeen. 
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Roosterton
Internet SpaceCraft Raiding Fleet
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Ovip Baniwa
Originally by: Roosterton
People aren't quitting over high AURUM prices. They're quitting over a newsletter suggesting that CCP is considering introducing non-vanity items into NEX, something they promised on multiple occasions not to do.
There is pro and a con view in this newsletter forming a debate. Why are you unable to understand that?
That's what I said at first, to cling on to false hope. But then I saw the Devblog and the E-mail, the devblog dodging the main concern of everyone. (WILL YOU OR WILL YOU NOT INTRODUCE NON-VANITY ITEMS FOR AURUM?) The fact that they didn't address that speaks volumes. Then the e-mail came out which effectively said to ignore what the players are saying, which is to not introduce non-vanity items for aurum, which strongly suggests that they're going to introduce that at some point. Hell, even the newsletter, after the debate part, said that they're toying with the idea of faction standings for aurum.
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Originally by: Tarminic
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Misha M'Liena
Amarr
21st Eridani Lighthorse
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:24:00 -
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You know rooster.....i hate to say this but you fail at reading mate. If you look in the *leaked* document it says they want to mt ammo and ships quite clearly. If you quit now canz i haz your stuffz?
Misha *I'm innocent!!! Just ask Syn*
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Ramma Lamma DingDong
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:27:00 -
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I am always, I repeat always, skeptical of every corporation, ever. I have read the email, the newsletter, etc. and I have also seen the reaction from the entitled few that has been borderline psychotic.
I agree, less grizzled veterans = a better Eve. Rage quit please. I notice 99% of you aren't biomassing so your empty threats mean exactly NOTHING. You will be back. I know it. You know it. CCP knows it.
I reactivated 4 older accounts to train for a month with cash yesterday as a show of support for CCP. The funny thing is, I completely agree that paying real world cash for anything other than vanity items is the wrong way to go but I also believe that CCP is smarter than to ever try and actually implement that into the game.
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Roosterton
Internet SpaceCraft Raiding Fleet
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:30:00 -
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Originally by: Misha M'Liena
You know rooster.....i hate to say this but you fail at reading mate. If you look in the *leaked* document it says they want to mt ammo and ships quite clearly. If you quit now canz i haz your stuffz?
Wait, so you agree with me that they're almost certainly on course for P2W?
Also, I assumed the MT ships were things like the ishukone scorpion (vanity), so I didn't bother mentioning them. As for ammunition, I was skimming and didn't notice that single word, but does it really matter? You're just nitpicking to make yourself feel more intelligent than you actually are.
And no, if I give you my stuff you're more likely to keep playing this game, putting more money into CCP's greedy, dishonest pockets.
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Originally by: Tarminic
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Beamer Grey
Caldari
DucKtape Unlimited
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: Vrynn Callibri
Edited by: Vrynn Callibri on 25/06/2011 13:43:57
...if you don't like the NX don't use it, I don't intend to...its THAT simple.
What are you going to do when other people do use the NX, and blow you up with non-vanity things? What are you going to do when you spend 2 months grinding standing and someone else just pays 60 bucks for ccp to do it for them, instantly? What about when CCP starts charging RL cash to hold space?
I can afford pretty much anything I want in the game, ISK is not the issue. This is going to destroy the whole players involved in everything aspect of the game. It is turning into CCP controlled. I understand right now it is all vanity stuff, but they were literally just planing to spawn painted scorpions into existence. A paint job for a scorpion already in the game is one thing, adding a completely new scorpion+paint job is another. Industrials will be competing with CCP now.
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Syn Callibri
Minmatar
21st Eridani Lighthorse
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: Beamer Grey
Originally by: Vrynn Callibri
Edited by: Vrynn Callibri on 25/06/2011 13:43:57
...if you don't like the NX don't use it, I don't intend to...its THAT simple.
What are you going to do when other people do use the NX, and blow you up with non-vanity things? What are you going to do when you spend 2 months grinding standing and someone else just pays 60 bucks for ccp to do it for them, instantly? What about when CCP starts charging RL cash to hold space?
I can afford pretty much anything I want in the game, ISK is not the issue. This is going to destroy the whole players involved in everything aspect of the game. It is turning into CCP controlled. I understand right now it is all vanity stuff, but they were literally just planing to spawn painted scorpions into existence. A paint job for a scorpion already in the game is one thing, adding a completely new scorpion+paint job is another. Industrials will be competing with CCP now.
Hmmm...my crystal ball isn't showing me anything like that, did you re-new a substription to the psychic friends network so you could read future thoughts that ccp MIGHT have?
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Lens Thirring
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:46:00 -
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Originally by: Sleven Saken
people are rage quiting over the NX and a document that was designed to brainstorm where it could lead
As has been pointed out, the fact that they are discussing non-vanity MT contradicts guarantees they've made to players in the past. They don't need to brainstorm about pay-to-win MT in EVE, because they've said they wouldn't do it.
Personally, I'm not rage-quitting over NX. More like slow-boil quitting, due to a number of recent policy changes and the overall direction of CCP, which indicate they are taking this community for granted. Smiling Peri Desai, editor of "Fearless", tells us in the introductory editorial "as a subscription based golden goose, EVE needs to incorporate the virtual goods sales model to allow for further revenue { revenue to fund our other titles, revenue for its developer: you." There may be a disclaimer indicating that her views do not necessarily reflect company policy, but as company Propaganda Minister her views must find some resonance somewhere among the upper echelons. So we're viewed as a golden goose, funding Dust514 (which will fail) and WoD (which will never see the light of day -- no pun intended). EVE players funding these projects is just EVE players throwing money away.
True, the NEX store doesn't affect me materially at the moment. But it's just the latest in a series of ham-fisted manoeuvres (we've already forgotten "$99 3rd party licensing") which run totally counter to preserving the existing strong EVE community, which apparently only exists to be squeezed for cash.
Time will tell whether fears of pay-to-win MT are groundless, but based on the attitudes we've seen, I wouldn't want to take bets on that. So I might as well get off the boat now rather than pay another 6 months for a game that's going nowhere.
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