EVE Search - An overdue apology and request for parley

I'm sure i'm not the oldest player around, and not the most fanatic or active. But I'll step up and speak in this matter because I really think Eve is (or was) a shining beacon of hope in the game industry.

I think the comunity is feeling simply ignored. Now I'll tell to players reading this why they were ignored about most of the stuff. Because people don't know if they want something until they know that thing. That's a fact. I'm sure most players where a bit skeptical about the patch. But at least for me the patch got a much more negative impact than ever forseerable by anyone, even inside CCP. And I think that's important to both sides.

Was by trial and error that Eve got to a state that we loved, and this trial and error must continue or the game will die. But these changes that people are complaining about (with or without reason depends on the person. I agree that the Noble Exchange should be cheaper and simpler and CQ should be optional - maybe a button like the undock button to access the CQ, otherwise just like the old days), a full deployment was needed for both technical and comunity reasons. I think CCP really needed to gauge the reaction of the public. They can't be afraid of doing new stuff for us. Sometimes it goes right, others it can go horribly wrong like this, but trial is the only way to find for sure. Forcing CQ at first was bold and necessary to see the players reactions. But CCP found at least one thing: most players are not happy about it, so we want to know what you are going to do about it.

Now CCP, you should stop being evasive like you so openly declared you are being now and give some answers on what you will do to address this. I understand it's not easy but where are the bosses to talk to us about this? Why are they running?

I think they are trying to figure out a way to not waste months of development just trashing everything. And I understand that. But if you run more instead of 6 months of development you will waste 8 years of trust building and effort put in this game I believe we all like, or we would not be raging like this. It hurts to see what we like just wasted or hurt by some meaningless stuff. Meaning less because this new features do not really add to the gameplay. Not yet, not until WoS is done

I can say that most Eve players are more interested in things working fine than vanity itens and fancy stuff. That's the player history over the last 8 years. We all look for ways to do stuff the best way we can, not the most pretty way to do it. Eve is not beautiful and that's what's awesome in it. Spreadsheets and graphs are our tools to understand how this world works.

I'm sure I'll get some player's hate for being just too "nice" with CCP, but I really think that we made a point very clear and they don't need another one just saying that they did a **** job this time. A very vocal quantity of players did not like this, neither our representants as far as we're concerned. But I'm quite sure that there's someone right now playing and paying to get those monocles and walking into that station with fancy expensive items. Those players are just thinking "WTH are they talking about, this is so nice" and they will just keep quiet because they're happy.

I'm not happy and making very clear right now, but I'm not raging about it and I'm trying to really enrich the discussion. It's not that hard. Some of you, not all because there are some very helpful and consient coments around, should try this exercise called empathy. You know, try to see beyond your selfish point of view and understand that simply get mad will not help. That's all.

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Che Jin	Posted - 2011.06.24 04:31:00 - [1651] Originally by: Insidious can anybody tell me why i cant buy female clothes for my male character? Because the MT for "Gender Reassignment" hasn't been placed in game yet, and crossdressing is a critical Macro-Micro-Transaction component.
Pure Tabasco	Posted - 2011.06.24 04:32:00 - [1652] Originally by: Bloodpetal Originally by: CCP Pann Edited by: CCP Pann on 24/06/2011 00:50:29 I would be lying if I said that whatFs happening now didnFt make me sad, but IFm not here to ask for your sympathy. To be perfectly honest, IFm here to buy time while we try to sort things out. No sense in lying about it so I'll call a spade a spade. It's about core principles, not the content so much. IT's a perfect storm that's come together, escalated by this decision to "wait out the storm". CCP is in deep **** and they know it. They've put a lot of "dev" time into this expansion, and this reaction is not what they want to see, it's bad for company morale, it's bad for their teams who have worked so hard, and it's bad for their public image. If I was the average CCP employee and saw this I'd be pretty demoralized that all the months of hard work has culminated in community shock because of a few decisions made in other departments that should really have had a seriously more realistic outlook and outline to execution. It's bad for their bottom-line, no matter how anyone wants to excuse some people quitting as irrelevant, appearance is everything and "negative" growth looks bad on paper, period. CCP can't work on borrowed time. Shareholders want money, projects need money, and everything works together to bring them every dollar they need to get forward. ON top of the internal morale issues their managers clearly have to fight back now, as clearly expressed by CCP Pann by saying it makes her sad, because every CCP employee that works the ground level does care, but people who are rolling out these changes are clearly disconnected not only from the EVE Community - but the MMO standards for RMT, the WORLD economy crisis, the very fact that people are starving for the price that they want to charge for a goddamned monocle. Donate all the PLEXes from any Monocle sales thus far to a charity - and now you'll start to get some realization as to what kind of justice we want. So, yes, this is a serious blow. They know this is a serious blow. Noone wants to wake up and have 140,000 page view thread with 3000+ posts raging on them. That's a lot of hate ladies and gentlemen. But frankly, CCP, you deserve it. There's no amount of mis-communication here. Decisions were made on a timeline. Prices were set on a time-line. And wherever that disconnect happened, welcome to re-connect time. CCP Pann, being here as long as you have been, what I do know is that you've seen other "executive teams" go by, and you have been the mouthpiece for quite a few of them. I'm sure you've seen them repeat the same mistakes over and over as responsibilities change hands, people have to learn the same mistakes over and over. I'm sure you made your decision to wait for the storm to pass with good experience. But, as is becoming clear, you're not dealing with the typical 'gamer', 'consumer', 'community'. You have something special here for EVE. Knowing your consumer is rule #1 for business. Knowing your product is rule #2. This is one hell of a wake up call. GREAT POST. HOPE THEY WAKE UP. IF NOT, GONNA BE A HELL OF A RIDE.
Dante024781 Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2011.06.24 04:32:00 - [1653] CCP, I will be frank with you. "Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?" The only way I will be reactivating my subscriptions is if the answer to this question is "NO" I think most of us know that the reason you have not answered, is that the answer is yes. Right now you are trying to figure out a way to tell us that this is happening without losing customers. I will make it easy for you. You can't. I wish you much luck in your future endeavors. No hard feelings, it is just a game and I have truly enjoyed it. I sincerely hope I am wrong.
Majuan Shuo Gallente Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2011.06.24 04:32:00 - [1654] Originally by: Katra Novac Been on the general forum for about 20 hours now, unsubcribed around 14 hours ago. I don't seem to have an trust left in what CCP say now. The fact they could not answer if the purchase of SP, faction standing, none vanity items and ready made ships/items was on the table, suggests it was. That of course might be changed because of the protests over such transactions. But I am left wondering if it is over turned how long will it be before they try again. Anyway time for some sleep. No. The internal newsletter they admitted to being real LITERALLY states it was. - I linked it on first page "All your monies AUR belong to us." -- CCP
Salpun Gallente Paramount Commerce	Posted - 2011.06.24 04:33:00 - [1655] Details, details its all in the details. When you can give us details that cover 90% of the cases and edge cases across all three games dust/ WIS/ships. We will help you fill the 10% hole you have left. Untill then all you are going to get is more rage. To bad 50% of the details are NDA locked or do not exist yet. And that you have not made clear to the normal player the clear seperation of WOD's business model from EVE's.
Zachstar	Posted - 2011.06.24 04:33:00 - [1656] Originally by: CCP Manifest Originally by: Kallynda Nai From CCP_Manifest's twitter: @Thorvik_EVE Oh, I understand passion. THere's of course a lot of logic people are missing, but that's ok. Pray tell, what logic is missing here? Well, a "lot" is an admitted overstatement. I was thinking specifically at the time though of the fact that _some_ people don't realize that NeX stuff on sale now can be purchased with in game ISK through purchasing PLEX. It's a relatively small point, and I probably should have (a) been clearer or (b) not said anything at all. There is a lot more logic being said here though and a lot of passion as well, and I don't mean to try to diminish that. Atleast you are here to take the reaction to your statements. I can only hope tomorrow will see the rest of those involved in this crisis come forward to talk to the community.
Samuel Caldara Tera Incognita Cascade Associates	Posted - 2011.06.24 04:33:00 - [1657] Edited by: Samuel Caldara on 24/06/2011 04:34:12 I will throw my voice in here.... While I was originally angry about the high price of the monocle I have calmed down somewhat. You can price those vanity items at whatever price you want, because in the end they are just vanity items. Things for rich players to show off (besides titans and crap). However- The one thing I've always loved about EvE is that almost everything in the game is produced by the player base. I applauded planetary interaction because it turned over the manufacture of many NPC items to the players. Eve became very close to a truly player driven economy. If this internal letter is true, then you are moving away from your previous vision of a real player driven economy. As long as you are doing that you might as well split eve up into different worlds, make PvP optional, and allow items to be accessed from anywhere. By allowing items that actually affect the game to be purchased and bypassing player manufacturing you are effectively killing one of the main ideals of eve. Please, please prove me wrong. -Sam
Rosanne Barge	Posted - 2011.06.24 04:33:00 - [1658] Originally by: CCP Fallout Hello all, I understand that you are angry and upset with us at this moment, however, I do ask you all to please make sure you are familiar with the forum rules prior to posting. Posting vile, inappropriate content is not welcome in this venue and will be removed immediately. It's always better to be constructive, and not destructive. Your destructing your game.
Plotos Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.24 04:34:00 - [1659] I'm sure i'm not the oldest player around, and not the most fanatic or active. But I'll step up and speak in this matter because I really think Eve is (or was) a shining beacon of hope in the game industry. I think the comunity is feeling simply ignored. Now I'll tell to players reading this why they were ignored about most of the stuff. Because people don't know if they want something until they know that thing. That's a fact. I'm sure most players where a bit skeptical about the patch. But at least for me the patch got a much more negative impact than ever forseerable by anyone, even inside CCP. And I think that's important to both sides. Was by trial and error that Eve got to a state that we loved, and this trial and error must continue or the game will die. But these changes that people are complaining about (with or without reason depends on the person. I agree that the Noble Exchange should be cheaper and simpler and CQ should be optional - maybe a button like the undock button to access the CQ, otherwise just like the old days), a full deployment was needed for both technical and comunity reasons. I think CCP really needed to gauge the reaction of the public. They can't be afraid of doing new stuff for us. Sometimes it goes right, others it can go horribly wrong like this, but trial is the only way to find for sure. Forcing CQ at first was bold and necessary to see the players reactions. But CCP found at least one thing: most players are not happy about it, so we want to know what you are going to do about it. Now CCP, you should stop being evasive like you so openly declared you are being now and give some answers on what you will do to address this. I understand it's not easy but where are the bosses to talk to us about this? Why are they running? I think they are trying to figure out a way to not waste months of development just trashing everything. And I understand that. But if you run more instead of 6 months of development you will waste 8 years of trust building and effort put in this game I believe we all like, or we would not be raging like this. It hurts to see what we like just wasted or hurt by some meaningless stuff. Meaning less because this new features do not really add to the gameplay. Not yet, not until WoS is done I can say that most Eve players are more interested in things working fine than vanity itens and fancy stuff. That's the player history over the last 8 years. We all look for ways to do stuff the best way we can, not the most pretty way to do it. Eve is not beautiful and that's what's awesome in it. Spreadsheets and graphs are our tools to understand how this world works. I'm sure I'll get some player's hate for being just too "nice" with CCP, but I really think that we made a point very clear and they don't need another one just saying that they did a **** job this time. A very vocal quantity of players did not like this, neither our representants as far as we're concerned. But I'm quite sure that there's someone right now playing and paying to get those monocles and walking into that station with fancy expensive items. Those players are just thinking "WTH are they talking about, this is so nice" and they will just keep quiet because they're happy. I'm not happy and making very clear right now, but I'm not raging about it and I'm trying to really enrich the discussion. It's not that hard. Some of you, not all because there are some very helpful and consient coments around, should try this exercise called empathy. You know, try to see beyond your selfish point of view and understand that simply get mad will not help. That's all.
Apollo Gabriel Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel	Posted - 2011.06.24 04:35:00 - [1660] Originally by: Algathas Edited by: Algathas on 24/06/2011 02:38:45 Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items? Brilliant! I still play Vtes/Jyhad and I approve this message! *** Signature may appear without warning! *** Please do not feed the trolls, it builds dependency.

Amiel Deteis	Posted - 2011.06.24 04:35:00 - [1661] CCP is going to be busier than a bannana in a womens prison trying to cover this up. Uder and complete Bull****!!!!
wolf419	Posted - 2011.06.24 04:35:00 - [1662] Originally by: Velani Askiras Edited by: Velani Askiras on 24/06/2011 00:49:41 Originally by: CCP Pann Hi, everyone Some of you who have been around for a while may remember me. I was the original community manager for EVE. These days, I oversee the PR and Community teams. While most of what I do happens behind the curtains, I am still aware of whatFs going on front and center. I would be lying if I said that whatFs happening now didnFt make me sad, but IFm not here to ask for your sympathy. To be perfectly honest, IFm here to buy time while we try to sort things out. No sense in lying about it so I'll call a spade a spade. ItFs clear that many of you are <understatement alert> angry </alert>. ThereFs a lot happening, things are changing quickly and we havenFt been as forthcoming as you were used to in the past. IFm willing to step out front and take a lot of heat for that since I was the one who made the decision to hold off on responding for a while to see if things cooled down once the new wore off. I was wrong to do that and I apologize. We should have said something much sooner. We should have done more to address your concerns and be forthcoming, even if we werenFt going to be able to immediately give you all of the answers you were looking for or the answer your questions in ways that will instantly turn those frowns upside down. To be even more candid, I cannot answer all of your questions, either, but I am working with the people who can to start getting those answers for you. Again, I know weFre doing this past the expiration date of your patience but I hope youFll bear with me. I know that, with very few exceptions, most of you donFt know me from Adam. I havenFt earned your trust or respect; therefore I have no right to ask anything of you { but I am going to try, anyway. Can I please count on at least some of you to help bring the pitchforks and torches down a few notches? Like I said, I wonFt be able to answer all of your questions tonight, but I promise weFll start getting some info out tomorrow. As I see it, the chief complaint is regarding the high cost of goods in the Nobel Market. Second, many people are unhappy about the CaptainFs Quarters. Third, there are some performance issues with Incarna. I would appreciate it if you would confirm my observations or tell me what IFm missing, but I do ask that you do it in a productive way. I will remove posts without prejudice if they are counterproductive to the conversation I hope to have with you. If youFve read this much, thanks for staying with me. If you have something to say, IFd like very much to hear it. Humbly yours, ~P~ Thanks for that message. What a nice read! <3 And here are the 4 major concerns i could gather so far: - NEX shop prices - many really do want the old hangar view back, quite alot would even like a CQ button in the hangar view (which basically means alot of those who are against CQ right now would even step in CQ once in a while if they only would get their old hangar view back with the CQ button!). - perfomance issues - the leaked document :/ promises broken real nice and if ccp breaks any further promises buy adding new ships to nex they wi'll be loseing my account as well what are you gona do ccp when every one quits and you cant afford to make or sustain your other games as i have said before it's your custemers that hold your ticket but you act like we dont matter! but we do matter if it whern't for us you wouldn't be where your at. now your quickly loseing paying players and if you continue the way you are and treating us the way you do you wont have eve or your other games. although i could care less about the other game you produce i didn't send you my money for them i sent it for eve and that is where my money should be spent. x960.jpg
Chebamonster	Posted - 2011.06.24 04:35:00 - [1663] +5 accounts unsubbed until ccp fixes this whole mess
BeanBagKing Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2011.06.24 04:35:00 - [1664] Originally by: CCP Manifest Originally by: Kallynda Nai From CCP_Manifest's twitter: @Thorvik_EVE Oh, I understand passion. THere's of course a lot of logic people are missing, but that's ok. Pray tell, what logic is missing here? Well, a "lot" is an admitted overstatement. I was thinking specifically at the time though of the fact that _some_ people don't realize that NeX stuff on sale now can be purchased with in game ISK through purchasing PLEX. It's a relatively small point, and I probably should have (a) been clearer or (b) not said anything at all. There is a lot more logic being said here though and a lot of passion as well, and I don't mean to try to diminish that. I'm not sure which to go with here, how you handled things, a, or b. I don't want you to stop posting, honesty and openess is EXACTLY what I want from CCP right now, but as someone else said, a LOT of hyped up eyes are on your right now, breathing down your neck, I don't envy your job. That said, I mentioned in another post (I hope you've read) that for me anyway it isn't straight up logic. You can already $ -> Plex -> Isk -> Ships, now you can $ -> NeX -> Vanity items. Next will it be $ -> Items? There are differences there, you could open up a dictionary and get a lawyer and lay out those differences. Find exactly where the line is, and nudge firmly up against it. This isn't what it's about for me, I don't think I'm missing the logic, I think CCP is missing the feel of the game. There are a lot of shades of gray, really light gray (plex) really dark gray (NeX), but eventually that turns into black (faction standings?). At that point I'll no longer enjoy this game. It isn't about the fact that I could buy a plex with my isk and use that to get Aurum, and use that in turn to increase my faction standings. I hope you understand what I mean. I know perfectly well the logical differences between everything, but that's not what a game is about. I play to have fun, I enjoy the challenge and the long road, I don't want the easy way out. You start offering that and you can spell it out logically all you want, the fun is still gone. I'm losing the will to keep typing out these responses, but I'll stay up late with you Manifest because I do want to respond in like to what CCP has to say. I'm no representative of the players, but I want to make sure my own thoughts and feelings are represented.
Kerrisone	Posted - 2011.06.24 04:35:00 - [1665] Quote: "Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?" They can say no and introduce another currency or just use PLEX, at the currect NEX prices they don't really even need aurum as a currency. Recognize that the answer won't matter as they could change their minds in 6 months, a year, or just flat out lie assuming they've been told the truth by management in the first place. It isn't because of Monocles FFS.
Patient 2428190 DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School	Posted - 2011.06.24 04:36:00 - [1666] Might as well do it now CCP Unveil all your MT plans and let it go. It goes deeper than this. ...Then when you stopped to think about it. All you really said was Lalala.
Kith'rahl Miromme	Posted - 2011.06.24 04:36:00 - [1667] Originally by: Rose Hips "Honor isn't about making the right choices. It's about dealing with the consequences. There is a fine line between Right and Wrong. You better know what side of it you are on. The moment you loose your honor-- that's when you learn the hard way. Your choice always comes back around." That quote just made my head swim, once I realized where it came from. Timetravelers fits nicely there.
Sarah Moonshine doMAL S.A.	Posted - 2011.06.24 04:36:00 - [1668] Edited by: Sarah Moonshine on 24/06/2011 04:36:47 Originally by: CCP Fallout Hello all, I understand that you are angry and upset with us at this moment, however, I do ask you all to please make sure you are familiar with the forum rules prior to posting. Posting vile, inappropriate content is not welcome in this venue and will be removed immediately. It's always better to be constructive, and not destructive. Sorry to break it to you, but you brough this upon yourselves. Also, having worked as a community manager myself, I suggest that you show some leniency on how you'll moderate these threads, lest you further aggravate the player base. You've already created a martyr and made a mess at trying to patch things up with sorry excuses and empty words. Save some face and come back tomorrow. --
Sraer Achasse	Posted - 2011.06.24 04:37:00 - [1669] Originally by: Kith'rahl Miromme Originally by: Rose Hips "Honor isn't about making the right choices. It's about dealing with the consequences. There is a fine line between Right and Wrong. You better know what side of it you are on. The moment you loose your honor-- that's when you learn the hard way. Your choice always comes back around." That quote just made my head swim, once I realized where it came from. Timetravelers fits nicely there. Same here. There's more irony in this than there is in Fallout's "destructive" comment.
Taedrin Gallente Zero Percent Tax Haven	Posted - 2011.06.24 04:37:00 - [1670] Man, this thread is getting big, FAST. I have the following questions I would like answered (even though you will likely never reach this post): 1) Does the leaked newsletter reflect actual CCP policy, or is it just a means for CCP employees to voice opinions without fear of player outrage? If it is the latter, then you need to tell us this IMMEDIATELY. You should have told us at the first sign that this newsletter was leaked. Players are taking this newsletter to be CCP company direction, and not the opinions of the writers of those articles. If it is the former, remember what happened after the PLEX for Remap fiasco. You told us that you heard us loud and clear when we were outraged over microtransactions for non-vanity items. 2) How in the world did the prices on those items in the NEX make it live in the server!? 3) CCP has a history of releasing half-finished features. Planetary interaction, faction warfare, COSMOS missions, etc etc... There are also a lot of old gameplay mechanics that need serious updating: corporate management/permissions, POS's, bounties, etc... Will Captain's Quarters be resigned to this same fate? Suggestions: 1) Promise once again not to do microtransactions for non-vanity items. We players hate MTs for an in-game advantage for the SAME REASON why we hate RMT!!! Think about that for a moment. CCP might hate RMT because other people are profiting off of your game, but players hate RMT because it allows the rich to gain an advantage in game over the average person. We view it in the same vein as professional athletes paying money for an advantage. 2) If you MUST have microtransactions for non-vanity items, do that in another game. You already have two other games in the works that you could do this for: DUST 514 and WoD. 3) PRIORITY ONE for CCP right now is dealing with the newsletter. Don't try to bend your customers over to you. You will have to come to our side. Many players have already unsubscribed over this item alone - you have to do ALL in your power to bring them back before their current subscription lapses. PRIORITY TWO for CCP should then be dealing with the NEX prices. I only put this next because it should be the simplest and easiest for you to correct. Cut the price by at least a half. Having an "exclusive" item is OK, so long as you have cheaper alternatives. A $60 monocle wouldn't be that big of a deal, if there were a simpler version available for much less. PRIORITY THREE for CCP is fixing heat/performance issues for Captain's QUarters. Remember that lots of your customers run multiple clients at once. Give us an option which allows us to do so. PRIORITY FOUR for CCP is to reintroduce ship spinning as an alternative to captain's quarters. Better yet, bring the player to the ship spinning hangar first when players dock, and give the player a choice then the unplug from their capsule to do Incarna stuff. PRIORITY FIVE for CCP is to expand on CQs. Give us the Gallente/Caldari/Amarr versions. Let us buy items to decorate our captain's quarters with. ANd most importantly, give captain's quarters something which is functionally unique, so that we would have a reason to use it over ship spinning if we had the choice. ---------- Originally by: Dr Fighter "how do you know when youve had a repro accident" Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.

Ranka Mei Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.24 04:37:00 - [1671] Originally by: Majuan Shuo "All your monies AUR belong to us." -- CCP Hey, that was MY signature! :) Glad you like it, though. -- "All your monies AUR belong to us." -- CCP
Melody Xiasia	Posted - 2011.06.24 04:37:00 - [1672] This is going to turn into a classic Bait&Switch(tm). We'll scream over high Nex Prices and they'll lower it and we'll eventually accept it. So, instead of sub $5 vanity items we'll be happy with $20, when they shouldnt be charging crap for the very few things they do offer. They'll give us back some crap version of ship spinning and we'll take it. They'll offer to fix the bugs, and we'll take it. The checks in the mail. Etc, etc. Monocles or death? I guess its death, choke on it.
Rusty Waynne Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.24 04:39:00 - [1673] I propose they reduce the cost of the monthly sub to compensate for the item shop. 8.99 US dollars sounds realistic to me.
Haunting Widow Wormhole Engineers	Posted - 2011.06.24 04:40:00 - [1674] We play eve because of what it currently is. If CCP is heading in the direction that it looks like it is.. you are opening your doors to another community of players... not MORE, it may or not be BIGGER, but certainly some OTHER community of players. I play because of current game mechanics, because it took me time to get to where I am, and you can NOT buy your way to here. I've grinded my way to 8.0+ standings for empire jump clones on three different characters. I put a lot of work and effort into getting my benefits and skills and ships, the moment I see that ANYONE can get ANY of that by pulling out their credit card... I'm gone, me and my 3 accounts, just gone. Because being ahead of the curve is a matter of pride, and getting my ship blown up hurts, and that's why I love this game. Take that away and it's just another P2P.. which I have never been interested in.
Savaage Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.06.24 04:40:00 - [1675] as some one whos played this game from the near begning the reason our player base is annied is basicaly based on 2 diffrent reactions to incrna 1. people who play this game for blowing up stuff are wondering how the heck incrna improves game play in any way. since maily it casues signifigant preformance issues with older machines and didnt effect anything of any importance for these players(other than making them take far longer to do stuff in station and introduce a large number of new bugs). 2. the second reaction is for poeple who liked the direction incarna took the game.(there are those in both groups but on average they are seprate groups and this one tends to live in high sec). they where expecting another form of socialising and paybe paying 5-10 usd for nifty vanity items that do absolutly nothing of value. what this group got was a pritty doll they could put a monicle on instead of buying that new carrier. I think the point has been made before but, this game is an internet SPACESHIP game. Yet think how long ago was the last patch that added new classes of ships(other than gift ships and at prizes).
URG thrash	Posted - 2011.06.24 04:40:00 - [1676] I know ccp will overlook this post, overwhelming threadnaught and all. but here goes. CCP, been with you guys a long long time , since 2003. This move i didn't ever expect from you guys. To even consider making it where ppl can buy into eve and buy a I WIN button.. This is what aurum for functional items will do. If you MUST do the aurum thing , and charge a obscene amount of money for it , give us the ability to put our chars in a thong or something, or walking in stations nude. THEN MAYBE SOMEONE WILL BUY! But as it stands i can equate the value of a freakin quafe t shirt to a faction battleship. ARE YOU GUYS HIGH? SERIOUSLY? The internal leaked document needs to be adressed , i feel like you guys want to hang me by my feet and shake my money out of my pockets , THIS WILL BACK FIRE ON YOU! As it stands now im gonna keep on peckin along in my wormhole. But if ccp decides to give functional items for aurum, im going to cancel both subs. I really dont wanna loose my favorite game. But if ccp is gonna start bleeding my wallet, i will leave. I really hope you guys pull your heads out of yer butts. Fire that dueshbag who thought up this aurum for functional game items stuff. He is definitely going to run ccp into the ground with this. So now ill wait and see. Dont screw the pooch on this next decision you guys make , its a doozie !
elnukeo Minmatar Heretic Army	Posted - 2011.06.24 04:40:00 - [1677] Originally by: Taedrin Man, this thread is getting big, FAST. I have the following questions I would like answered (even though you will likely never reach this post): 1) Does the leaked newsletter reflect actual CCP policy, or is it just a means for CCP employees to voice opinions without fear of player outrage? If it is the latter, then you need to tell us this IMMEDIATELY. You should have told us at the first sign that this newsletter was leaked. Players are taking this newsletter to be CCP company direction, and not the opinions of the writers of those articles. If it is the former, remember what happened after the PLEX for Remap fiasco. You told us that you heard us loud and clear when we were outraged over microtransactions for non-vanity items. 2) How in the world did the prices on those items in the NEX make it live in the server!? 3) CCP has a history of releasing half-finished features. Planetary interaction, faction warfare, COSMOS missions, etc etc... There are also a lot of old gameplay mechanics that need serious updating: corporate management/permissions, POS's, bounties, etc... Will Captain's Quarters be resigned to this same fate? Suggestions: 1) Promise once again not to do microtransactions for non-vanity items. We players hate MTs for an in-game advantage for the SAME REASON why we hate RMT!!! Think about that for a moment. CCP might hate RMT because other people are profiting off of your game, but players hate RMT because it allows the rich to gain an advantage in game over the average person. We view it in the same vein as professional athletes paying money for an advantage. 2) If you MUST have microtransactions for non-vanity items, do that in another game. You already have two other games in the works that you could do this for: DUST 514 and WoD. 3) PRIORITY ONE for CCP right now is dealing with the newsletter. Don't try to bend your customers over to you. You will have to come to our side. Many players have already unsubscribed over this item alone - you have to do ALL in your power to bring them back before their current subscription lapses. PRIORITY TWO for CCP should then be dealing with the NEX prices. I only put this next because it should be the simplest and easiest for you to correct. Cut the price by at least a half. Having an "exclusive" item is OK, so long as you have cheaper alternatives. A $60 monocle wouldn't be that big of a deal, if there were a simpler version available for much less. PRIORITY THREE for CCP is fixing heat/performance issues for Captain's QUarters. Remember that lots of your customers run multiple clients at once. Give us an option which allows us to do so. PRIORITY FOUR for CCP is to reintroduce ship spinning as an alternative to captain's quarters. Better yet, bring the player to the ship spinning hangar first when players dock, and give the player a choice then the unplug from their capsule to do Incarna stuff. PRIORITY FIVE for CCP is to expand on CQs. Give us the Gallente/Caldari/Amarr versions. Let us buy items to decorate our captain's quarters with. ANd most importantly, give captain's quarters something which is functionally unique, so that we would have a reason to use it over ship spinning if we had the choice. YES YES YES Please re-size your signature as per forum rules. Maximum height: 120 pixels; maximum width: 400 pixels; maximum file size: 24,000 bytes. Thank you. Shadow.
Race Drones 13th Squadron E C L I P S E	Posted - 2011.06.24 04:41:00 - [1678] Originally by: DeAdspAwN So my question for evey one: If CCP needs the cash from MTs to stay a float and keep the eve servers running, what alternative ways can CCP go about generating income? CCP need to try to make possible to pay EVE Online in local money across a lot of countrys, look the free2play game travian.com, they have 50K + players for server, and they have a lot of servers, his secret is the payment method in local money. CCP, go to try this. ----- EVE Online is a Bad Game that the Players make Good.
Jaggins Ixion Defence Systems Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.06.24 04:41:00 - [1679] My vote (and accounts) will depend on whether the NeX items are vanity only or influence the game directly. We are already paying a subscription, why do you need to hit us with unbalancing microtransactions? I want to play hardcore space war and politics, not space barbie.
Eladaris Amarr Excessum Industries	Posted - 2011.06.24 04:41:00 - [1680] Originally by: Lord Kazuhiro Put the vast majority of your attention on EVE online, this is the game that allows you to fund your other games that may be a major flop when they release, but while they may collapse, you know EVE will continue. (I hope, after all the damage you guys have done with this.) We do not want to pay you money for games we don't play to be developed. We pay to see the game we DO play and pay money to play, to be improved. QFT Stop robbing from your current successful venture to develop something that may or may not flop. We KNOW you're going to continue focusing almost everything on WoD and Dust, and we know from the expansion patch notes and Dev blogs that you aren't really paying all that much attention to Eve... but at least TRY to hide that fact from us? Maybe an expansion with content beyond a buggy vanity display case, m'kay?



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