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seeseelia	Posted - 2011.06.24 22:12:00 - [6091] Inspired by CCP Zulu's remarkable $1000 blog post, I've cancelled. There isn't a place in this game for me any more. I've lost all trust/confidence in the powers that be. I'm only a little player. I was getting excited about finally reaching 50m SP -- just a few weeks away! But then again, all I really do is mine a bit and get ganked come Hulkageddon. So it's probably for the best. Good luck, CCP -- I think you might need it!
Reza Temiz	Posted - 2011.06.24 22:12:00 - [6092]
Ranita Drell	Posted - 2011.06.24 22:12:00 - [6093] Edited by: Ranita Drell on 24/06/2011 22:35:08 Quote: The opinions and views expressed in Fearless are just that; opinions and views. They are not CCP policy nor are they a reliable source of CCP views as a company. The employees who submitted articles to that newsletter did exactly what they were asked to do, write about theories and opinions from an exaggerated stand. Oh, is that what John Turbefield was doing? It seems the stand he took was pretty moderate. Maybe you should have someone take the "exaggerated stand" at the other end of the spectrum in the newsletter, the stand that says "No aurum, no microtransactions, no more PLEX." And why is anybody fostering internal debate about whether or not to go back on promises recently made to the community? It seems like there are far more worthwhile things you all could be discussing. Quote: While itæs perfectly fine to disagree and attack CCP over policies or actions we take, we think itæs not cool how individuals that work here have been called out and dragged through the mud due to something they wrote in the internal company newsletter. Seriously, these people were doing their jobs and do not deserve the hate and **storm being pointed at them. People are being called out and dragged through the mud because the arguments they're make liars of themselves and CCP. Again, a debate on whether or not to betray your customers is not a debate worth having. You don't want your customers to take this personally. You want us to continue to treat the parties involved with respect and regard -- the same kind of respect and regard for customers that is nowhere in evidence in the newsletter which discusses breaking promises made to your customers. See the problem here? You haven't earned our respect -- you have squandered it, and with this dev blog, you continue to squander it, Arnar. Quote:** I hope Iæve addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot of the issues youære having. Weæll continue monitoring the forums and other communications channels and pick up and reply if there are concerns not covered by this blog. "If there are any concerns not covered by this blog"?! IF? How about an answer to the question as to whether breaking promises made to your players regarding microtransactions is still on the table? Maybe you missed that concern. Not enough giant yellow text, I guess. You're being cagey. Dishonest. You know what your customers want: an unequivocal statement against MT for non-vanity items. You haven't given us that. You could say "I regret to announce that business realities may dictate that we simply are not able to honor promises we made to our customers" and we would be upset, but you might earn back a sliver of respect. Oh, and you haven't addressed the force-feeding of CQ either. And the MT pricing, though a small issue, completely reinforces my perception that CCP has lost touch with reality. The fact that you're not even showing much flexibility on this issue makes me think that CCP management is completely far-gone, lost in the depths of self-delusional lunacy. I think I'm done. My account is already cancelled. I'll keep an eye on the dev blogs/forums for an indication that you have come to my senses, but I'm not giving you any more of my words and sure as hell not giving you any more of my money.
DangerosoDavo Gallente Missions Mining and Mayhem Merciless.	Posted - 2011.06.24 22:12:00 - [6094] LISTEN TO THE PLAYERS WE PAY YOUR WAGES WITHOUT US YOU HAVE NOTHING. _______________________________________________ Regards Davo
Cpt Stratos	Posted - 2011.06.24 22:12:00 - [6095] Originally by: Reza Temiz Being a new player (about four days in). I'm not sure my opinion means to much here, but I will give it anyways. I do not mind MT when it is for cosmetic based items that have no effect on gameplay, but officially supporting the purchase of ships/modules/store only powerups, with real life currency is a step to far. I was hoping to make Eve my new long term home, I was even considering the purchase of a second account to support my main already, but reading this newsletter, and the subsequent denial of CCP staff makes me want to take my money and run. I assume you are making many of these changes to attract new players, well let me tell you, paying real money for 'power' is not something I support or wish to do in a video game. Thanks for reading, fly safe. This. I might have not been actively playing for long but I do not like it when items are in the game that you can buy power with real money. And buying faction points? Really? So I will be waiting until CCP comes out and says no we are not adding non vanity items to the game, if they say that I will happily pay for EVE Online. If they say yes we are adding them in the future, then I will cancel. I love EVE Online, but I will not play a game that will allow players to buy power in a sandbox game.
Marie deMedici	Posted - 2011.06.24 22:13:00 - [6096] One way to do RMT without ruining everything would be to: 1. have an aurum market which is the only place you can trade pure novelty items and game-effecting noveltyish items. 2. aurum market trades are taxed at maybe 20% per trade 3. pure novelty items come from CCP and are not produced by players but wont effect game 4. game-effecting items are manufactured by players via difficult formulas and can only be sold in aurum market with aurum. This would create an aurum sink, which would give CCP extra income. This would also enable CCP to profit from indestructable items like CQ items, when they are traded. Game changing aurum-objects would not destroy the economy since they would be attached to the economy the same way everything else is now connected: via manufacturing and mining. Also keep aurum connected to isk via PLEX and add a forex for exchanging aurum to isk and vice-versa. Tax these forexes. In addition, ditch the fing stupid idea of 99$ for "developer license". Instead make an api for walking-in-stations salespoints. Make an api a bit like facebook applications and games. Tax aurum sales made via these points and make them cost isk per month.
chainedtofate Caldari Fleet of Doom RaVeN Federation	Posted - 2011.06.24 22:13:00 - [6097] Originally by: Henrica Gaufridus What makes the economy of Eve so special is that it is, almost in its entirety, player-driven. Even shuttles aren't seeded anymore. So when you're granting better "stuff" to player A who simply gave more money to CCP than player B, it does not enrich the game whatsoever. We (the playerbase and the CSM) were told that microtransactions would not be happening. Ever. We (the playerbase and the CSM) were later told that microtransactions would be limited to vanity items ONLY. We have this newsletter now which discusses otherwise, and here's what we (the playerbase and the CSM) are so upset about: Our concerns are not being addressed. Rather than say "Yes, we're doing it." or "No, we're not going to do it." you tell us the following: "The opinions and views expressed in Fearless are just that; opinions and views. They are not CCP policy nor are they a reliable source of CCP views as a company. The employees who submitted articles to that newsletter did exactly what they were asked to do, write about theories and opinions from an exaggerated stand." All the playerbase is asking for is a simple "yes" or "no". By the refusal to answer this question, many of us are left thinking that the answer must be "yes", but CCP will not say so now because, in the words of Kristoffer, you're afraid of being proverbially "burned at the stake". I'm inclined to believe the answer is "yes, we will be introducing game-affecting items into the Aurum stores, but we're afraid to tell you because it's going to make so many people angry". Someone please tell me I'm wrong here. I really want to be. i agree with you as much as i don't want to but i do i have unsubed both accounts i will maintain them untill they run out early next month. i will also will keep an eye on the forums to see if you stop treating your coustomers like ****s and answer yes or no to the most important question. will there be in game advantage for aur? you have till the 13 to make me have faith in you again ccp and that dev blog did not** help whatsoever.
Henrica Gaufridus	Posted - 2011.06.24 22:13:00 - [6098] I was excited to come back to Eve. I had taken a few months' hiatus due to the fact that my computer just couldn't keep up anymore. Set a long skill, logged off, and let my account expire. I came back later, with a new computer, excited for this "Incarna" thing (I came back only two weeks ago). WiS was promised years ago, and it sounded kinda fun. At the time it was promised, we were still getting new things with which we could beat eachother over the head and kill eachother. New ships, redone weapons, new places to go, new baddies to shoot, etc. I realized why I quit in the first place: I was getting bored. No new spaceships, no new stuff to shoot, nullsec was narrowing down into 2-3 power blocs. "Eh", I thought, "We'll see what Incarna looks like, maybe it's enough to keep me interested." I figured why not, as I already had two PLEX pumped into my license. It wasn't. I explored CQ for 5 minutes (I had already done so on SiSi), I played dressup with my toons for a few minutes, then I looked at the NeX and had a good laugh. Then I disabled CQ. I figured "Well, it's vanity. It's stupid prices, but oh well, it doesn't affect the game." Then this newsletter comes out. Then the ensuing failure at PR and Damage Control. I thought I'd continue playing, probably resub just so I don't have to worry about PLEX, but now I know I will not. CCP: Over the last year you've taken something I loved, something that was a wonderful escape from real life, and you've sodomized it like George Lucas sodomized Star Wars. You've taken these ideas that seemed good on paper, kept them secret from the people who would be affected (including the CSM, our reps to you), LIED to us and the CSM, and now expect us to take it gleefully in the backside? To add insult to injury, you won't even tell us whether or not you're actually going to be sodomizing us, you're just going to give us surprise ********* when you start selling game-affecting items in MT. I'm through being civil and through hoping that CCP will see their error, as they won't. F-YOU, CCP.
JAY WRIGHT	Posted - 2011.06.24 22:13:00 - [6099] I posted my comments a few hours ago, Think page 30 or so, 201 pages now and climbing with other forums starting to make noise. Been hearing ppl have cancelled there subs, Protested in jita and even posted pics of them trashing years worth of items-assets and even looking at the biomass button. Ccp has yet to respond with anything more than more shyt and though i'm no where near as computer savvy as allot of you it seems they have even started to remove posts and or links to ppls protests. A long term in game friend of mine just quit the game in protest and I just lost a friend. He has played since BETA, yes,you rememebr that, When you made promises you kept and gave ppl a game that blew there minds. You were at the forfront and you went places no other mmo went. Patches brought us new stuff. better graphics and ppl would wait up all night just to down load these to stare in wonder at the new ships-weapoms-fetures. Now all we get is bugs-spend more to play a game we allready pay for and bush responses to what over 6000 ppl have brought to your attention. Now I was angry when you nerfed torpedos and ecm but I got over it because I understood the reasons. I stoped playing for a week after dominion came out as the lag fest you created was horrible but I came back. Hell My corp bought me a new computer cause my old system could no longer handle eve and I was able to once again enjoy eve for the amazing game it is but this is over stepping the mark, You have lied to us. pure and simple and you really need to stop any other plans you may have. Fix this issue NOW. Fix the bugs we allready have and go over every ince of eve and deal with the real issues like bots-rmt-graphic bugs because 15 of my friends didn't put there hands in there pockets to keep me in game just for you to screw it up. Yes we are pi**ed at you. no it will not go away. When this months subs come in short you will start to pay attention but the damage will be done. And thinking that "it's ok, more ppl will join" won't work either as most eve players play other games as well. They will spread the word. Remember who pays your wages. you need us just as much if not more than we need you. We can walk away and find somthing else. You can't.
Kirtur Muhaha Gallente World-Slayer	Posted - 2011.06.24 22:15:00 - [6100] Holy Crap, freak out much people? Nothing as of yet has affected the advantages in-game... nothing has been confirmed TO affect advantages in-game, therefore this entire "fiasco" is all hypothetical, am I right? Excuse me while I go watch the freakin ridiculously awesome tv screens from the rockin sofa in my CQ (which btw CCP, I would like to see couch upgrades in NEX tyvm :D)... Meanwhile, try not to hurt yourselves stirring up a ****storm over conjecture _________________________________________________
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.06.24 22:16:00 - [6101] CCP's vision of the sandbox -> Customers view of CCP management ->
Lirael Dyrim Gallente In Bacon We Trust	Posted - 2011.06.24 22:16:00 - [6102] Originally by: leth ghost Originally by: Triple Entendre lol QFT. "Until they become conscious they will never rebel, and until after they have rebelled they cannot become conscious."
SkwisgaarSkwigelf Deliciously Vicious	Posted - 2011.06.24 22:16:00 - [6103] NO buying standings NO buying sec NO buying remaps NO buying skills NO buying ships/modules/ammo NO buying SP NO NO NO - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - It takes a beast to stand and bleed
Coroder	Posted - 2011.06.24 22:17:00 - [6104] Canceled my subscription on all 3 of my accounts tonight after seeing the most awesome dev blog response we got tonight. This is the message I left them Quote: This > http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=932 Is not acceptable. I will not be paying for my accounts again until we are taken seriously and shown some respect.
zind zeit	Posted - 2011.06.24 22:17:00 - [6105] you ****ed up. Fix it or good bye
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.06.24 22:18:00 - [6106] I just cannot take CCP managers seriously now after finding out their real mentality and thinking about Eve. Bunch of loonatics.
Nolorin	Posted - 2011.06.24 22:19:00 - [6107] TBH i don't think they care if we cry like babies flooding the forum. If they weren't dumb when they were planning this changes this shoud have been expected, it's just collateral damage. So i propose to go further and hit them hard where it hurts, the wallet. It's not a secret lot's of us have two, three or even more subs running at the same time. If you don't want to stop playing right now, at least, try to unsub as many alt accounts as you can, and keep them unpayed for a while. That's the only way we can get our game back, cutting their profit.
Missionary Monkey	Posted - 2011.06.24 22:19:00 - [6108] finanz box
Isabella TriggerWisp	Posted - 2011.06.24 22:19:00 - [6109] WOW I'm sure most everyone read that by now, and we all have our opinions about it. What really surprised me about the statement is the pure sense of entitlement, crass disregard for the player base and not to mention the complete and utter disassociation from reality of Mr. Gylfason. He is comparing the NeX store to a "exclusive Japanese boutique shop". So I say to myself...sure I might be able to see that...if there were 20 pairs of jeans to pick from, 50 t-shirts for my shopping convenience, and monocles to last me a lifetime...oh wait...exclusive Japanese boutique shops don't sell monocles!!! Also, last I checked I was paying 14.99$$ per account for my subscriptions. For an online GAME (notice the caps). As in a hobby, entertainment, electronic vice even. I'm not sure when the decision was made that 8+ years of subscriptions at 14.99$$ a month from 357.000+ accounts was not enough income. And, I'm sorry Mr. Gylfason, but when you are comparing real life clothes and in-game clothes, well, lets just say that some of us don't shop at the same stores our real money has entitled you to shop at. If this is the approach the upper echelon of CCP takes to fatten the bottom line, maybe you should actually read this post and share it internally amongst yourselves. Maybe you will care to see the "OTHER" elephant in the room, which is us, the player base, the people that have given you their time and money (hard-earned money, not monocle money). And to answer your question, NO greed is not good, and if you needed an internal newsletter to tell you that, well, its worse than I thought. Next time someone decides they need money for something maybe they should work for it, and not make their customers work for them. You know, improve your product, upgrade the infrastructure, increase security, hell maybe even fix the Catalyst skin. Stuff that actually makes an impact on the game play. Maybe then you can think about starting to charge your customers for vanity items at a reasonable price. And I can tell you this right now: If you start selling game affecting items to people who can afford the in real life, like ammo, ships, guns, and those items are not available in game to buy for ISK, well... lets just say you are going to need to make real good friends with Sony. Just remember why you are here and who brought you here. Don't act like a bunch of greedy businessmen and start listening to your customers. Because at the end of the day if we leave, its pretty final. We know what we want. You just have to LISTEN!!! Oh did I mention the catalyst skin? and the option to allow players to still spin their ships in station? "coughcoughapplecoughcough"
Nemesis Factor Caldari Apolitical	Posted - 2011.06.24 22:19:00 - [6110] Just read the blog and I cannot say I enjoyed the response. It was your big chance to turn things around but all you did was defend your position. The Fearless doc did not have the tone of a discussion. It pretty much said "this is what we are doing," with one meager article that disagreed with the stance. I'm not an Incarna hater, or someone who just doesn't want anything to do with it. When I first heard of it back in 2007 or whenever I was truly excited for it. But now that it's here with only 1% of the promised content I am seriously disappointed. The tech demos you have shown over the years have been extraordinary, but this...... The graphics are bad, the control is bad, there is NO utility and no point. This expansion is crap your MT store is crap Your lack of product recently is crap The entire direction your company is taking is crap. ==================== ~/~ Sultan of Buruni
Warstomp H A V O C	Posted - 2011.06.24 22:19:00 - [6111] Edited by: Warstomp on 24/06/2011 22:31:41 We need to stop this now. It goes far beyond Micro transactions. First off CCP has blatantly given us utter crap for the last couple years. Every expansion is more bugged and full of crap then the last. Incarna came out half baked when two years ago we were shown full bars and other activities inside incarna. Did all of this just vanish or is CCP to busy working on jamming dust and WOD out to micro transaction those games to hell? MICROTRANSACTIONS WILL NOT OVVERUN THIS GAME OR I WILL NEVER RETURN.... NO MICROTRANSACTIONS NONE NONE AT ALL NO PANTS NO AMMO NO SHIPS NO SKINS NO GUNS NO NOTHING MTwise..... WE DEMAND BETTER CONTENT AND QUALITY the past few expansions were crap. The big grand new sov system missed countless promised features....CCP needs to remember what game built their company.... We got promised a sov warfare fix but it didnt improve anything every expansion brings gimmicks and new **** but nothing is improved for fixed
Aganola Amarr Pangalactic Punks n' Playboys HUN Reloaded	Posted - 2011.06.24 22:19:00 - [6112] Originally by: Miilla CCP's vision of the sandbox -> Customers view of CCP management -> ^^ this... :D
LoveFruit	Posted - 2011.06.24 22:19:00 - [6113] Dear CCP, with Noble Exchange you have made the following possible: I feel stupid playing this game. But still I will continue a little bit more, just like everybody else, I guess, to discover whether the feeling of stupidity subsides or not. I have played the game for more than two years. I have two accounts. Yours sincerely, LoveFruit
Abrazzar	Posted - 2011.06.24 22:19:00 - [6114] Originally by: SkwisgaarSkwigelf NO buying standings NO buying sec NO buying remaps NO buying skills NO buying ships/modules/ammo NO buying SP NO NO NO Their failure for a clear no can only be interpreted as a yes. --------
Sora Enaka	Posted - 2011.06.24 22:19:00 - [6115] So, to anyone cancelling their accounts. Send me your ISK and items. It's much appreciated! Thanks! Sora
Smagd Encina Technologies Namtz' aar K'in	Posted - 2011.06.24 22:20:00 - [6116] Amazing: I thought this Threadnarok was taking off like a rocket at 6k posts in 22 hours. The new one beat 1k posts in 80 minutes... At this rate they'll have passed us in 7 hours or so.
Anon Forumalt6858	Posted - 2011.06.24 22:21:00 - [6117] Wow...somebody confirm something for me... Did they just completely ignore the primary concern that is fueling our rage in that Dev Blog? I'm just...wow, I don't even know...I'm in complete disbelief. Seriously, Zulu just chucked Pann and manifest under a huge Icelandic bus in one fell swoop. Pann/Manifest: Be sure to thank Zulu for making you both look like complete asses that are incapable of sufficiently communicating the concerns of the playerbase to a Dev Team that is completely out of touch. - His name was John Turberfield! -
Amber Villaneous	Posted - 2011.06.24 22:21:00 - [6118] Originally by: Kirtur Muhaha Holy Crap, freak out much people? Nothing as of yet has affected the advantages in-game... nothing has been confirmed TO affect advantages in-game, therefore this entire "fiasco" is all hypothetical, am I right? Excuse me while I go watch the freakin ridiculously awesome tv screens from the rockin sofa in my CQ (which btw CCP, I would like to see couch upgrades in NEX tyvm :D)... Meanwhile, try not to hurt yourselves stirring up a **storm over conjecture Do you typically wait until the is in your ass to scream **? I don't.
somafiend Caldari Dark Sun Legion	Posted - 2011.06.24 22:22:00 - [6119] Was CCP jealous of the backlash SOE had when they launched CU then followed it up with NGE? The parallels are astounding.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.06.24 22:22:00 - [6120] Originally by: Anon Forumalt6858 Wow...somebody confirm something for me... Did they just completely ignore the primary concern that is fueling our rage in that Dev Blog? I'm just...wow, I don't even know...I'm in complete disbelief. Seriously, Zulu just chucked Pann and manifest under a huge Icelandic bus in one fell swoop. Pann/Manifest: Be sure to thank Zulu for making you both look like complete asses that are incapable of sufficiently communicating the concerns of the playerbase to a Dev Team that is completely out of touch. They just called you a cheap git for not wanting to pay 1000 bucks for a pair of virtual jeans.

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