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Abriael VonRosen
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Posted - 2011.07.29 17:50:00 -
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Edited by: Abriael VonRosen on 29/07/2011 17:51:30
Originally by: Mag's Bolded the important part of that statement. Now please learn English, come back and let me know where they clearly say there will never be Pay to Win in the NEX.
A pathetic attempt to reality spin. The whole statement is quite committing. There's no way even the most shrewd marketing exec can get away with it after releasing something like that.
if you think they lie to you, by all means quit. Only a silly masochist would pay someone that he believes a liar.
in the meanwhile, enjoy your hypocritical whines.
Quote: The investment of money in EVE should not give you an unfair advantage over the investment of time.
It's clear enough for anyone that has a brain to read. -- Abriael
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Spumantii
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Posted - 2011.07.29 17:52:00 -
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once again, your lack of an argument is replaced with personal attacks. And you're not a marketing exec, so stfu.
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Abriael VonRosen
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Posted - 2011.07.29 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: Spumantii once again, your lack of an argument is replaced with personal attacks. And you're not a marketing exec, so stfu.
Says the one that cannot post twice without insulting someone. What I am is not for you to determine, I'm afraid. Rage as much as you like, but you're inconsequential. -- Abriael
Contributing Writer - DualShockers.com |
Tippia
Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.07.29 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: Abriael VonRosen A pathetic attempt to reality spin. The whole statement is quite committing.
What spin? The statement is just as committing as the claim that there are no plans for MT in EVE.
Quote: It's clear enough for anyone that has a brain to read.
So what have you filled your head with since you can't see it clearly? ùùù ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö ù ÇÇP |
Spumantii
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Posted - 2011.07.29 17:55:00 -
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Edited by: Spumantii on 29/07/2011 17:55:27
Originally by: Abriael VonRosen
Says the one that cannot post twice without insulting someone.
you're inconsequential.
hypocrite
You can't argue with him, he has his head firmly in the sand.
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2011.07.29 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: Abriael VonRosen Edited by: Abriael VonRosen on 29/07/2011 17:51:30
Originally by: Mag's Bolded the important part of that statement. Now please learn English, come back and let me know where they clearly say there will never be Pay to Win in the NEX.
A pathetic attempt to reality spin. The whole statement is quite committing. There's no way even the most shrewd marketing exec can get away with it after releasing something like that.
if you think they lie to you, by all means quit. Only a silly masochist would pay someone that he believes a liar.
in the meanwhile, enjoy your hypocritical whines.
Quote: The investment of money in EVE should not give you an unfair advantage over the investment of time.
It's clear enough for anyone that has a brain to read.
So you can't point me to where they clearly say, there will never be P2W in NEX?
Originally by: CCP Zulu Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Tippia
Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.07.29 17:59:00 -
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Originally by: Mag's So you can't point me to where they clearly say, there will never be P2W in NEX?
<spoiler> Of course he can't since they have never said that. </spoiler> ùùù ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö ù ÇÇP |
REiiGN15
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.29 17:59:00 -
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Don't worry, I am quitting. Already ahead of you.
So much wrong with this game and they release that which has zero functionality to the game. A lot of people are upset due to the fact that CCP is running their game into the ground. They literally have gotten tired of EVE. CQ is a resource-hog, coded poorly.
Should have released it when they really had Walk-in stations complete. Yeah, would have been longer but EVE never had a HUGE fanbase and the important parts, the SPACESHIP part, has been put on the back-burner.
BTW, CCP you need to stop with the interviews. You aren't winning back fans with that crap. Proper patches and updates will only do that. Stay behind the curtain. I didn't want to believe it and its not even the same kind of game but Star Wars Old Republic is sounding a lot better.
I may come back if Hybrids get fixed...guess that's a never happenin'. ================================================= What is right is not always popular, and what is popular is not always right. |
Spumantii
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Posted - 2011.07.29 17:59:00 -
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Edited by: Spumantii on 29/07/2011 18:00:39 I love how all of those in denial default to calling us 'whiners' because they haven't understood, after hundreds of pages, by thousands of players, what the problems are. CCP and you: The deaf leading the blind.
Originally by: REiiGN15
So much wrong with this game and they release that which has zero functionality to the game.
this. But don't bother going down that road, he knows better than a game developer about how to develop a game
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2011.07.29 18:00:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Mag's So you can't point me to where they clearly say, there will never be P2W in NEX?
<spoiler> Of course he can't since they have never said that. </spoiler>
Shhh, I'm hunting wabbits.
Originally by: CCP Zulu Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
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Abriael VonRosen
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.29 18:01:00 -
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Edited by: Abriael VonRosen on 29/07/2011 18:03:13 Edited by: Abriael VonRosen on 29/07/2011 18:02:17
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Abriael VonRosen A pathetic attempt to reality spin. The whole statement is quite committing.
What spin? The statement is just as committing as the claim that there are no plans for MT in EVE.
Quote: It's clear enough for anyone that has a brain to read.
So what have you filled your head with since you can't see it clearly?
*yawns* If you have enough of a brain to understand basic english, that statement states three distinct points.
1: there are no plans for pay to win elements in the NEX <- if this was by itself you'd have a point, but it isn't. 2: People shouldn't gain unfair advantages by paying <- Wide statement of committal. 3: Whatever we do we're gonna show the CSM first <- "We'll let you keep an eye on our plans".
Those three statements form a quite iron clad promise. Made of a statement on future plans, a statement of committal and a verification check. No way anyone can get around it without admitting "yes, we knowingly lied to our customers, thanks for all the fish". If you think the people working on this game are as stupid to try and get around something like this, then you really should quit, unless you're unbelievably masochistic.
-- Abriael
Contributing Writer - DualShockers.com |
Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.07.29 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: Spumantii Edited by: Spumantii on 29/07/2011 18:00:39 I love how all of those in denial default to calling us 'whiners' because they haven't understood, after hundreds of pages, by thousands of players, what the problems are. CCP and you: The deaf leading the blind.
How dare you have an opinion I oppose, u r a 'whinner'. ~~~
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Spumantii
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Posted - 2011.07.29 18:02:00 -
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Edited by: Spumantii on 29/07/2011 18:04:01 ^ this
By the way, in case your 'huge brain' missed it, the CSM are under an NDA so NONE of it will be kept under watch by players. Keep twisting and turning.
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Abriael VonRosen
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.29 18:04:00 -
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Edited by: Abriael VonRosen on 29/07/2011 18:05:41
Originally by: Spumantii ^ this
Says the one that fumes and rages like a locomotive every time someone dares to state that he enjoys the game and CCP is doing a good job.
Without even going into the petty threats a la "I'll keel you in game!" lol
Hypocrisy at it's best.
Quote: By the way, in case your 'huge brain' missed it, the CSM are under an NDA so NONE of it will be kept under watch by players. Keep twisting and turning.
They're under NDA to state the specifics, but they are free to say if promises are kept. As they are already doing, mind you. -- Abriael
Contributing Writer - DualShockers.com |
Spumantii
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Posted - 2011.07.29 18:05:00 -
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you're going to have to do better than describe yourself, if you want to convince anyone of anything other than the fact you're an irate know-it-all
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2011.07.29 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: Abriael VonRosen Those three statements form a quite iron clad promise. Made of a statement on future plans, a statement of committal and a verification check. No way anyone can get around it without admitting "yes, we lied to our customers, thanks for all the fish". If you think the people working on this game are as stupid to try and get around something like this, then you really should quit, unless you're unbelievably masochistic.
I had an no plans to have Chinese tonight, but now I am. No plans is not Iron clad, that's the whole point in using those terms instead of flat out saying NEVER.
*Now makes a comment about using a brain and basic understanding of the English language.*
Originally by: CCP Zulu Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Abriael VonRosen
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.29 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: Spumantii you're going to have to do better than describe yourself, if you want to convince anyone of anything other than the fact you're an irate know-it-all
translation of the above "I cannot counter what he says, so I'll insult him".
Next step will be falling back on the "I'll keel you in game!" -- Abriael
Contributing Writer - DualShockers.com |
Tippia
Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.07.29 18:08:00 -
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Originally by: Abriael VonRosen 1: there are no plans for pay to win elements in the NEX <- if this was by itself you'd have a point, but it isn't.
àjust one problem: the "no MT" wasn't alone either ù it was framed in the same kind of language.
Quote: 2: People shouldn't gain unfair advantages by paying <- Wide statement of committal.
"Should" is not a commitment ù "will" is. So no.
Quote: 3: Whatever we do we're gonna show the CSM first <- "We'll let you keep an eye on our plans".
àwhich would be believable if they had actually done so.
Quote: No way anyone can get around it without admitting "yes, we lied to our customers, thanks for all the fish".
àand seeing as how they've done it before, why won't they do it again?
Again, the whole thing is just as much an expression of commitment as the old "no plans for MT". ùùù ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö ù ÇÇP |
Spumantii
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Posted - 2011.07.29 18:08:00 -
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Originally by: Abriael VonRosen
Personal attack, bold claim, refusal to pay attention to facts, ignore content in favor of context. Win at master debater team. Lose at social life.
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Abriael VonRosen
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.29 18:09:00 -
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Edited by: Abriael VonRosen on 29/07/2011 18:11:17
Originally by: Mag's
I had an no plans to have Chinese tonight, but now I am. No plans is not Iron clad, that's the whole point in using those terms instead of flat out saying NEVER.
The little difference is that you're not a company and you're not releasing a statement to customers on your dinner plans.
Also, you continue to fixate yourself on a single word, and ignore the whole rest of the statement. Typical troll behavior.
Originally by: Tippia
Again, the whole thing is just as much an expression of commitment as the old "no plans for MT".
Which was expressed in much more generic terms and without verification checks.
It all boils down to the fact that if you're so convinced that they're knowingly lying to you, you shouldn't be here, paying for their product. -- Abriael
Contributing Writer - DualShockers.com |
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Guttripper
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.07.29 18:10:00 -
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How did that old phrase go...
"Did you abuse your signifigant other today - yes or no?"
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Spumantii
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Posted - 2011.07.29 18:11:00 -
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Edited by: Spumantii on 29/07/2011 18:11:51
Originally by: Abriael VonRosen
translation of the above "I cannot counter what he says, so I'll insult him".
pretty clearly, you already have been countered oh by the way, you've personally attacked in every single post, and you call others hypocrites. You do understand what the word means, right?
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Abriael VonRosen
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.29 18:13:00 -
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Edited by: Abriael VonRosen on 29/07/2011 18:13:14
Originally by: Spumantii
pretty clearly, you already have been countered
because you say so?
Quote: oh by the way, you've personally attacked in every single post, and you call others hypocrites. You do understand what the word means, right?
That's a simple definition of the behavior you've been holding on the forum. -- Abriael
Contributing Writer - DualShockers.com |
Spumantii
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Posted - 2011.07.29 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Abriael VonRosen
feel free to read up
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2011.07.29 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: Abriael VonRosen
Originally by: Mag's I had an no plans to have Chinese tonight, but now I am. No plans is not Iron clad, that's the whole point in using those terms instead of flat out saying NEVER.
The little difference is that you're not a company and you're not releasing a statement to customers on your dinner plans.
Also, you continue to fixate yourself on a single word, and ignore the whole rest of the statement. Typical troll behavior.
Your argument was based on us crying that they lied, well they use that language before about MT and guess what?
But as Tippia has already told you, none of the rest constitutes never or iron clad.
If they will never have P2W in the NEX, they they would have said just that. Instead they said 'No plans'.
I'll ask again, please point to where they clearly say, that they will never have P2W in the NEX.
Originally by: CCP Zulu Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Tippia
Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.07.29 18:15:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 29/07/2011 18:16:05
Originally by: Abriael VonRosen Which was expressed in much more generic terms and without verification checks.
Actually, no. It was expressed in far more specific and unequivocal terms.
Quote: It all boils down to the fact that if you're so convinced that they're knowingly lying to you, you shouldn't be here, paying for their product.
Why not? I like the product we have right now. And if I'm not here kicking them in the balls every time they are ******ed, I'll have no chance of helping them avoid making ******ed mistakes.
Once they **** up enough, I'll leave. Until then, I'll keep reminding them that they're ****ing up. I'm a positive person: I believe they can learn. If you do not, why are you still here? ùùù ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö ù ÇÇP |
Abriael VonRosen
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.29 18:18:00 -
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Edited by: Abriael VonRosen on 29/07/2011 18:20:38
Originally by: Tippia Actually, no. It was expressed in far more specific and unequivocal terms.
Do quote. By the way, there's no "equivocal" terms in marketing. Unless one is a complete moron, he won't release a statemet that has the SLIGHTEST possibility to be held against him in the future.
That statement has an extremely solid possibility to be held against CCP if they ever decided to put pay to win stuff in the Nex.
if they really saw any possibility of doing that they'd would have simply laid down to let the storm pass while remaining hush hush about it.
Quote: Why not? I like the product we have right now. And if I'm not here kicking them in the balls every time they are ******ed, I'll have no chance of helping them avoid making ******ed mistakes.
Once they **** up enough, I'll leave. Until then, I'll keep reminding them that they're ****ing up. I'm a positive person: I believe they can learn. If you do not, why are you still here?
You're a positive person? LOL. I don't think I've seen you post ONE positive statement.
Kicking people in the balls isn't exactly the right way to make them learn or listen. It's the perfect way to be completely inconsequential. -- Abriael
Contributing Writer - DualShockers.com |
Spumantii
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Posted - 2011.07.29 18:19:00 -
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Edited by: Spumantii on 29/07/2011 18:21:50
Originally by: Abriael VonRosen
Kicking people in the balls isn't exactly the right way to make them learn or listen. It's the perfect way to be completely inconsequential.
You do it in every single post, so you must know.
.. speaking of learn or listen, something you seem incapable of doing, since you know better than everyone at everything, given the crap posted in all threads I see you in.
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Abriael VonRosen
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.29 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: Spumantii
You do it in every single post, so you must know.
You should look at your own posts before criticizing others, since they're full of direct insults and even threats :D -- Abriael
Contributing Writer - DualShockers.com |
Tippia
Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.07.29 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: Abriael VonRosen Do quote.
ôOur business model isn't changing, you all have nothing to be concerned about.ö
Quote: You're a positive person? LOL. I don't think I've seen you post ONE positive statement.
That's because you haven't been paying attention.
Quote: Kicking people in the balls isn't exactly the right way to make them learn or listen.
It is if it's the only way to make them listen. The learning bit, as mentioned, is just me being positive. We have yet to see if that part actually happens. ùùù ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö ù ÇÇP |
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