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visableone
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:18:00 -
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[melodramatic example incomming!] hopfully this analogy can clear some things up with the EULA.
say i signed a contract with somone stateing that for z5 they could kill me, now i may have signed this contract and agreed to the terms, however as it would be classed as murder which is illegal the contract would be void, consensual or not, unless the contract abides by, in ccp case, european international trade laws, your aggrement to the contract is inconsequential.
the laws of the country you reside in may also have some bearing on the volidity of the contract, im not 100%, if so i know for a fact its contradictroy to the UK trade discriptions act under retailer responcabiltiy.
however this is just my limited knowlage of the law, they may be some redesign of which that protects software retailers when they break your stuf,. again not 100% sure.
my point is EULA means nothing,. if you want to find out what is awolled/legal when comming to software retailers you need to discount the EULA and contact a solicitor, lots offer free advise.
any claims for 'class actions' and such are reduntant until you have a better understanding of the law govening such things. tho thats not to say you dont have a case,. maby you do,. maby not,.. but commenting on this topic before you find out is ill advised.
oh and BTW ,... Boot.INI remember that?? lololoollopo
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Lykouleon
Wildly Inappropriate
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: Jefferson H Clay
Depends on where you are in the world and what, specifically the EULA states.
CCP is an Icelandic country. Other country's contract laws are moot point, all legal claims would have to be in Icelandic jurisdiction.
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Jefferson H Clay
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: Othran
To all those saying a s/w algorithm cannot burn out a section of a chip then you have no clue what you talk about.
Theoretically running one core of a multicore processor flat out, whilst the others are idle can also cause issues. In theory.
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visableone
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:23:00 -
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Edited by: visableone on 22/06/2011 17:26:14
Originally by: Lykouleon
Originally by: Jefferson H Clay
Depends on where you are in the world and what, specifically the EULA states.
CCP is an Icelandic country. Other country's contract laws are moot point, all legal claims would have to be in Icelandic jurisdiction.
nope,. its part of the european union, which was created primarily for trade and has laws govening such to which iceland must abide
#you are proberly right about other country's contract laws are moot point, tho they can't escape euro laws
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Doav Inarvo
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Atticus Fynch
Unlike other countries where you are expected to bend over and take it gracefully...God save the queen.
Whats your problem with British people? You don't even know the nationality of the poster but you just assumed he was from the UK, I've heard you making racist comments about the British in other threads whilst bigging up your own country, it's realy quite pathetic.
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Jefferson H Clay
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Lykouleon
Originally by: Jefferson H Clay
Depends on where you are in the world and what, specifically the EULA states.
CCP is an Icelandic country. Other country's contract laws are moot point, all legal claims would have to be in Icelandic jurisdiction.
With registered offices in America, China, United States and United Kingdom. CCP is a multinational, small one but still. So no... the applicable jurisdiction isn't that easy to say.
One of those countries (the UK) is also a member of the EU which throws even more spanners in the works as to who's laws apply in which instances.
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Sakura Ren Fenikkusu
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: Lykouleon
Originally by: Jefferson H Clay
Depends on where you are in the world and what, specifically the EULA states.
CCP is an Icelandic country. Other country's contract laws are moot point, all legal claims would have to be in Icelandic jurisdiction.
I would have to look more into this to be sure, but since they formed CCP North America, in Atlanta, they would still be subject to the laws/lawsuits in the United States.
Feel free to correct me though.
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Atticus Fynch
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:27:00 -
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I appreciate all the replies agreeing with me or not.
I direct you to this other thread discussing the Incarna hardware issues without addressing the legal implications of it all.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:30:00 -
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No, a lawyer could afford a PC that is not crap.
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visableone
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: Sakura Ren Fenikkusu
Edited by: Sakura Ren Fenikkusu on 22/06/2011 17:27:12
Originally by: Lykouleon
Originally by: Jefferson H Clay
Depends on where you are in the world and what, specifically the EULA states.
CCP is an Icelandic country. Other country's contract laws are moot point, all legal claims would have to be in Icelandic jurisdiction.
I would have to look more into this to be sure, but since they formed CCP North America, in Atlanta, they would still be subject to the laws/lawsuits in the United States.
Feel free to correct me though.
EDIT: LOL...I was a bit too slow. :P
also i think as your hardware is located where you live, in you particular country, any damage or corruption to it is govened by your laws as the 'item' is located in your country and therefore is applicable to your laws,.. i.e lulzsec resent ddos attacks
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Mister Rocknrolla
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: NeoTheo
gotta love them there americans.
/sigh.
The truly american aspect of it is that he's not linking to the class action lawsuit he is initiating...he is waiting for someone else to do it for him. Lazy AND litigious.
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Knukalz
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:39:00 -
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OP, I'm gonna sue your parents for such bad genetic coding as your brain is clearly overheating causing you to make dumbass comments.
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OverlordY
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:41:00 -
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Edited by: OverlordY on 22/06/2011 17:43:09
Ahh I LOVE the smell of peoples **** OLD - badly looked after badly cooled PCs burning in the morning :)
And the tears are just num num num.
Nearly every PC game for the past 4 years has been a console port, and hasn't even begun to use the power of most PCs. Now your PCs are pushed past 20% CPU and GPU usage , that 6 years of dust build up and 1 case fan that hardly works , or 2 case fans blowing the wrong way that don't cool anything, finaly gets noticed. Then you blame some one else for your own failures.
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Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:41:00 -
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Originally by: Khamelean
Originally by: Atticus Fynch
Three words:
Class Action Lawsuit
How this plays out in the international arena, I don't know. But it wouldn't surprise me if some smart EVE playing lawyer is putting a case together right now, while the lawyers at CCP are recommending complete silence on the matter as seen in the forums.
Software that blows your rig? C'mon.
Then you have the cheerleaders saying it's your fault (the consumer) for having an inferior rig. LOLOLOL!!!!
The emperor has not freakin clothes on, CCP.
Software doesn't cause hardware failure. Hardware and poor drivers cause hardware failure.
Newsflash: Drivers are software
Have you ever seen a badly configured X11 server blow a CRT screen, yes it can happen.
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Avon
Caldari
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:43:00 -
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POKE 59458,62
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Wukulo
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: Atticus Fynch
Originally by: NeoTheo
gotta love them there americans.
/sigh.
Yeah, yeah..America is court happy with all their frivolous legal cases.
Truth of the matter, our system is designed to protect the consumer..naturally it will be abused, but at least we still have the options.
Unlike other countries where you are expected to bend over and take it gracefully...God save the queen.
Protect the consumer? I Lol'd. Our courts are packed with corporate lawsuits with the goal of victimizing consumers. Study the actual activities of effects of the system before you defend it.
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Jefferson H Clay
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:46:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
POKE 59458,62
Isn't that the code to make the C= 64's tape drive go forwards / backwards until the motor burns out?
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Avon
Caldari
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:47:00 -
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Originally by: Jefferson H Clay
Originally by: Avon
POKE 59458,62
Isn't that the code to make the C= 64's tape drive go forwards / backwards until the motor burns out?
Nah, older than that - used to blow the display on "new" Commodore PETs (it was used on "old" PETs to speed it up)
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Myfanwy Heimdal
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Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Atticus Fynch
Edited by: Atticus Fynch on 22/06/2011 16:04:16
Originally by: Mr Majestyk
To the poster above:
It is the developers job to push the hardware to its limits.
It is the manufacturers job to make sure the hardware they sell can run at its limits, otherwise lower the specs.
Once upon a time when RAM was expensive and CPUs ran like snails (compared to today's), programmers where keen on being conservative. They optimized code and made heavy use of assembly to keep things from getting bloated and taxing the resources.
Today RAM is cheap and CPUs run like the devil. The fine art of optimizing code is not really a priority anymore and thus we have produced a generation of sloppy programmers.
It's evident in the programs they produce now. Incarna being a good example.
Originally by: Mr Majestyk
It is the developers job to push the hardware to its limits.
EDIT: Just because your car engine has a max RPM doesn't mean you want to keep it there all the time. Right?
Most of the time now programmers aren't taught nor learn how to, er, program properly. I talk to the youngsters today who rely on overbloated development studios and use massive libraries without caring what's in them and as long as they can make something look good then they think that they can be called a programmer.
It's hard to meet a programmer under, say, twenty five who knows what a balanced binary tree is let alone knowing how to write one. When I discuss projects with five dimensional linked lists forming a net they look at me blank.
I don't blame them; I blame how they are taught, the tools that they are given and the expectations that RAM is free and plentiful. Sigh.
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Jefferson H Clay
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Nah, older than that - used to blow the display on "new" Commodore PETs (it was used on "old" PETs to speed it up)
Ahh. The PET's a bit before my time. :P
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visableone
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:48:00 -
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oh i didnt see the comment the OP posted about the UK, lol,. dam collonist getting above his station me thinks!!
no doubt the thinks england is run by the royal familey, counts and dukes, our biggist exports are dragons and magic, and scotland is an island.
without our trade 'items' during the 19th century you would'nt have a president!!
ololololololololo
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Nak hak
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:49:00 -
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Edited by: Nak hak on 22/06/2011 17:51:25
Programs that could destroy hardware were old school viruses. Memories. Now it is done with poop software engineering skills. 
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Avon
Caldari
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:50:00 -
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Originally by: visableone
oh i didnt see the comment the OP posted about the UK, lol,. dam collonist getting above his station me thinks!!
no doubt the thinks england is run by the royal familey, counts and dukes, our biggist exports are dragons and magic, and scotland is an island.
without our trade 'items' during the 19th century you would'nt have a president!!
ololololololololo
If you are going to post in support of the English you could at least try to master the language.
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Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:51:00 -
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Originally by: Nak hak
Programs that can destroy hardware were old school viruses. Memories. Now it done with poop software engineering skills.
and NASA not understanding Metric units.
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Avon
Caldari
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:52:00 -
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Originally by: Miilla
Originally by: Nak hak
Programs that can destroy hardware were old school viruses. Memories. Now it done with poop software engineering skills.
and NASA not understanding Metric units.
Poor Mars Global Surveyor, may you rest in pieces.
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Myfanwy Heimdal
Caldari
Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Jefferson H Clay
Originally by: Avon
POKE 59458,62
Isn't that the code to make the C= 64's tape drive go forwards / backwards until the motor burns out?
Nah, older than that - used to blow the display on "new" Commodore PETs (it was used on "old" PETs to speed it up)
Somewhere I have an old white softback book, about the size of A4 and looked as if it were printed on an old daisy wheel printer called 'The PET Revealed'. I needed it to find the poke codes so that I could change case on the screen.
I remember writing a simple word processor without knowing what one was. Back up tape was, if I recall right, very special cassettes not your normal audio stuff.
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visableone
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:55:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Originally by: visableone
oh i didnt see the comment the OP posted about the UK, lol,. dam collonist getting above his station me thinks!!
no doubt the thinks england is run by the royal familey, counts and dukes, our biggist exports are dragons and magic, and scotland is an island.
without our trade 'items' during the 19th century you would'nt have a president!!
ololololololololo
If you are going to post in support of the English you could at least try to master the language.
yeah your right,. my spelling mistakes make what ive typed incomprehensible,.. such things are soo important,.. you sptiud fckugin wkanre
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Avon
Caldari
Versatech Co.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:57:00 -
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Originally by: visableone
yeah your right,. my spelling mistakes make what ive typed incomprehensible
Not at all, they just make you look stupid.
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visableone
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Posted - 2011.06.22 18:00:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Originally by: visableone
yeah your right,. my spelling mistakes make what ive typed incomprehensible
Not at all, they just make you look stupid.
ah of course,. spelling and intelligence are pritty much the same thing,. being poor at spelling makes you dumb,. flawless spelling make you smart, and pointing out other spelling mistakes makes you?????? genius? yep,. must be.
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Avon
Caldari
Versatech Co.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 18:08:00 -
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Originally by: visableone
ah of course,. spelling and intelligence are pritty much the same thing,. being poor at spelling makes you dumb,. flawless spelling make you smart, and pointing out other spelling mistakes makes you?????? genius? yep,. must be.
Rightly or wrongly people are going to make assumptions about you by the way you present yourself.
On an internet forum you are what you type.
If you can't be bothered to put any effort in to your posts it is unlikely people are going to put much effort in to reading them.
As it happens I thought the post I originally quoted was potentially quite amusing; however, it ultimately failed to reach that potential ... unless your intention was to make you the subject of the mirth (in which case, bravo).
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