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Dinsdale Pirannha
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.21 14:19:00 -
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Are you going to change that subsystem to something else? T3 command ships had 2 advantages (Oh yeah, and they had about a 2-3% improvement in boosting efficiency over the T2 counterpart) over T2 command ships:
1. When fitted with the covert subsystem, they could jump with a black ops gang.
2. When fitted as above, they had paper thin tanks but if you were smart you could fit them to survive by being unscannable.
Now with #2 destroyed, again without any prior notification, there is no point for the ship. Even when set up for tank, the T3 CS version is not as robust as the T2 version.
So why would anyone now fly a T3 version of the command ship? CCP, now that you have ruined yet another way to play the game, are you going to offer something else?
Why do I ask even asking? I already know the answer. My game of Internet Spaceships has been replaced with Internet Barbies.
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2011.06.21 14:21:00 -
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I know this is crazy talk, but how about trying things out for yourself before commenting on them?
-- Mr. Science & Trade Institute - EVE Lorebook - Mysteries of W-space |
Shigsy
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Posted - 2011.06.21 14:23:00 -
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Its impossible to fit a tank on a t3 when you have the commandship subsystem. Hopefully they'll change it to 3 links so you dont need the stupid midslot things to get 3 on a bonus ship. _________________________________
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Resender
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Posted - 2011.06.21 14:23:00 -
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I got a bigger question to what subsystem is he referring
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Ayieka
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.21 14:23:00 -
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well now im happier about training for command ships.
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Xearal
Minmatar SOL Industries Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.21 14:23:00 -
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Edited by: Xearal on 21/06/2011 14:24:34 OR.. maybe.. you could you know.. ADAPT. *LeGasp*
There are plenty of other ways to hide your lovely T3, I know at least one more way how you can avoid people from scanning down your boosting cov-ops T3 and nuking the hell out of it. ( no I'm not telling what it is, figure it out yourself )
OR.. maybe you could just join in the fight.. just because you need some mid slots for command modules will not ruin every tank out there you know.. ever hear of armour tanking?
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Isha Steel
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Posted - 2011.06.21 14:24:00 -
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Yup clearly *ruined* as it now takes *effort* rather than just warping to a safe and sitting there neigh on invulnerable (and yes I do know its possible over a few hours with nothing to do to use the d-scan to pin people down)
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Joe SMASH
You Got A Purty Mouth
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Posted - 2011.06.21 14:24:00 -
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Edited by: Joe SMASH on 21/06/2011 14:25:01 Do me a favour. Send your internet barbie to the internet ATM machine in your internet home. Withdrawal all your internet assets and send them to my internet wallet. It sounds like you will not be needing your internet stuff for much longer and I am willing to internet take them from your internet barbie. -----------------------------------
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Dinsdale Pirannha
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.21 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: Jowen Datloran I know this is crazy talk, but how about trying things out for yourself before commenting on them?
???? Maybe, just maybe, I already fly them?
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ed jeni
SKULLDOGS RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2011.06.21 14:25:00 -
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configuring a T3 STRATEGIC CRUISER to be a command ship doesnt make it a T3 command ship, i thank you.
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Syphon Lodian
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.21 14:26:00 -
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Why should a 'command' ship be "unscannable", it is after all a command ship. So in all likelihood, lore-wise, a command ship would be th easiest boat to scan down since it's transmitting and boosting so much.
No ship should be unscannable. Sense, it makes none. ------------------------------------------------- Go pod yourself. |
Mouthy Misses
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Posted - 2011.06.21 14:26:00 -
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personally i like this change, the command ship is meant to be a command ship the t3 is much easier to train for quicker etc making every man and his dog having a booster loki etc make fighting even more unbalanced than it allready is and having it unprobable etc is just plain annoying.
if people want to use booster t3's then there needs to be risk involved
+1 for new change
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NickyYo
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Posted - 2011.06.21 14:27:00 -
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Yet another whining thread...
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Shepard Book
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Posted - 2011.06.21 14:27:00 -
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Edited by: Shepard Book on 21/06/2011 14:27:50
Originally by: Dinsdale Pirannha Are you going to change that subsystem to something else? T3 command ships had 2 advantages (Oh yeah, and they had about a 2-3% improvement in boosting efficiency over the T2 counterpart) over T2 command ships:
1. When fitted with the covert subsystem, they could jump with a black ops gang.
2. When fitted as above, they had paper thin tanks but if you were smart you could fit them to survive by being unscannable.
Now with #2 destroyed, again without any prior notification, there is no point for the ship. Even when set up for tank, the T3 CS version is not as robust as the T2 version.
So why would anyone now fly a T3 version of the command ship? CCP, now that you have ruined yet another way to play the game, are you going to offer something else?
Why do I ask even asking? I already know the answer. My game of Internet Spaceships has been replaced with Internet Barbies.
I agree, I would like to see T3 be able to jump thru and create Cov op cynos.
As far as T3 commands go, you can still jump in, cloak, and get to your safe spot. Align and watch for probes if you are too scared to be on the field. Be happy you do not have to be on the same grid to give bonuses. You wanting to be unprobable makes you the barbie IMO.
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Syphon Lodian
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.21 14:30:00 -
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Originally by: Shepard Book You wanting to be unprobable makes you the barbie IMO.
+1 internets for you sir.
Redeemable upon request. ------------------------------------------------- Go pod yourself. |
King Rothgar
Path of the Fallen
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Posted - 2011.06.21 14:30:00 -
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I have all four t3's trained and use 3 of them for unprobable ganglinks. The change makes things a little trickier, I can't just turn on the ECCM's and go afk all day. But impossible to probe has now become really, really difficult to probe (allegedly, I haven't tested yet). The thing does have a cloak still, so the new tactic will be to hold cloak until you actually need the bonus and then decloak for the 2-3 minutes you need the links. Then you cloak back up and burn that safespot. They shouldn't be able to probe you during that time if you use a new SS each time (a decent one).
Similarly, the unprobable tengu's simply became hard to probe. You need only check your d-scanner every minute or two instead of never. But those were crap ass mission runners anyways. The proper way to low/null sec mission is to whip out a MWDing machariel or something similar. Easy to probe, but they'll never catch it.
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Dinsdale Pirannha
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.21 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: Xearal Edited by: Xearal on 21/06/2011 14:24:34 OR.. maybe.. you could you know.. ADAPT. *LeGasp*
There are plenty of other ways to hide your lovely T3, I know at least one more way how you can avoid people from scanning down your boosting cov-ops T3 and nuking the hell out of it. ( no I'm not telling what it is, figure it out yourself )
OR.. maybe you could just join in the fight.. just because you need some mid slots for command modules will not ruin every tank out there you know.. ever hear of armour tanking?
Sure there are. Like warping from ss to ss. Oh, Le Gasp, Command links don't work when in warp. And I am sure that every roving gang has deep SS's, and only operate in systems over 64 AU across so the boat can't be instascanned. And yes, I am sure the Tengu and Loki have superb tanks when operating 3 mindlinks.
Might help if you tried fitting these ships before opening your yap.
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Erestas Drake
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Posted - 2011.06.21 14:34:00 -
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Dinsdale, rest assured this shameless act from CCP will not threaten your rise to Emperor of Eve.
Your devious underlings have already come up with another great plan. As far as I recall it involved excellent forgeries of the new designer clothes for the barbies. This minor hicup will only set you back a few days. |
NickyYo
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Posted - 2011.06.21 14:37:00 -
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Originally by: Syphon Lodian
Originally by: Shepard Book You wanting to be unprobable makes you the barbie IMO.
+1 internets for you sir.
Redeemable upon request.
Well said sir, well pointed out! +1
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2011.06.21 14:38:00 -
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You cant always get what you want.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Wool Lou
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Posted - 2011.06.21 14:41:00 -
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gang links should only work on grid
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Makko Gray
Nexus Aerospace Corporation
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Posted - 2011.06.21 14:48:00 -
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Originally by: Dinsdale Pirannha So why would anyone now fly a T3 version of the command ship?
What you mean people will have to use Command Ships ... as Command Ships?!?
You can still use your T3 Strategic Cruiser to run gang links - you just can't run them from a point of infinite safety.
Of course the question would be why would anyone want or expect to? It's just a rediculous game breaking idea. So your precious T3 is only damn hard to scan rather than impossible. Welcome back to the game.
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Black Dranzer
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.21 14:51:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest You cant always get what you want.
But if you try sometimes..
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Kunming
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E ROMANIAN-LEGION
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Posted - 2011.06.21 14:52:00 -
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You want best of all worlds just because you own a T3 ship?!
If u want a ship that can hang around with blackops which has more bonus then use T3, if u need more survivability with less utility u would prefer T2.. its called game balance, you know.
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I Love Boobies
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.21 14:54:00 -
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Don't forget that they are also making it so more than 4 probes help in the results, so will be easier to find them.
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Dinsdale Pirannha
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.21 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: Erestas Drake Dinsdale, rest assured this shameless act from CCP will not threaten your rise to Emperor of Eve.
Your devious underlings have already come up with another great plan. As far as I recall it involved excellent forgeries of the new designer clothes for the barbies. This minor hicup will only set you back a few days.
I will get on TS in a few minutes.
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Narisa Bithon
Caldari The Motley Crew Reborn
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Posted - 2011.06.21 15:11:00 -
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i hope ccp nerf the covert interdiction nullifer combo....awful broken mechanic.
ccp please fix it so ONLY covert OR interdiction nullifer can be fitted at the same time.
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Main ForumAlt
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Posted - 2011.06.21 15:13:00 -
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Originally by: Black Dranzer
Originally by: Ghoest You cant always get what you want.
But if you try sometimes..
You get what you need!
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Dace Kaveira
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Posted - 2011.06.21 15:23:00 -
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T3's were ment to function in Wormholes. To stop players from getting stuck in Wormholes or have to transport in dozens of ships they designed the capabilities of the T3. The original idea of a T3 commandship was mere to function properly when set up inside a POS shield or when accomponied by Logistic ships. The reason why CCP gave T3's serveral roles is that any player could train up for them, head into a Wormhole with friends and change out their ships as needed. Therefore T3's can't outclass original T2's else there is no use for T2's. T3's were also ment to create a new class between HAC's and Battleships, increasing DPS and moving the tank near Battleships. However for a higher price then the above stated ship sizes. Also the T3 subsystems were created to function like nomads. A group of T3 pilots could move into a Wormhole, rat the **** out of there and move back to highsec, what ever they need to finish off a site that could be provided by the subsystems, which can be Logstics, EW, commandlinks or rough DPS. If T3's would outclass T2's in any of the above said ways, what would be the use of T2's as a small group of proper planned T3's could easily take out a much bigger group of T2's. However the prices of T3's are truly higher, it doesn't change the fact that the ways in EVE to gain lots of ISK have been improved and made way cheaper then before the T3 release. Hence this all, if you read this far you should've understood that you can, in no way, demand or even come up with the idea that T3's should outclass the capabilities of the way older T2's. Have fun.
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Kalle Demos
Amarr Helix Protocol
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Posted - 2011.06.21 15:26:00 -
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So I read your whine and then the patch notes and didnt have a clue what you were talking about, then I clicked on one of Tom Gerard's informative threads and noticed it was a probing whine.
I for one welcome this change, now if only CCP could do something about the EOS, eitherway great change
+1 .
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