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Nogunaba Agast
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:17:00 -
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Back from a little over a year's hiatus and noticed my resident alliance is no longer amarr/armor friendly. Rather than trawl through a thousand recruitment threads and contact everyone in my batphone book I figure an ask here would be a good start. I've not trained amarr for four+ years to be told that projectiles and shield tanking are "required training."
So, are there still a significant number of FC's running amarr fleet comps or did I miss a patch note where we got nerfed into oblivion? If so, where are they hiding?
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ROXGenghis
Missions Mining and Mayhem Merciless.
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Posted - 2011.06.19 21:53:00 -
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Meh, it just means you now have to train rock, paper, AND scissors. - sig |
Jovan Geldon
Gallente Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:44:00 -
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If your corp is telling you that you MUST fly ship x with fit y or you're a worthless maggot, then you should probably find a new corp.
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King Rothgar
Path of the Fallen
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Posted - 2011.06.20 00:09:00 -
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Armor ships work just fine and amarr are the best at it. But the plated up golden bricks are fairly vulnerable to hotdrops and eve has gone hotdrop happy over the past year. This has led to nano-shield stuff being more popular as it's less susceptible to said hotdrops. All that said, armor fleets are still common it's just that they aren't the only way to roll now.
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Nogunaba Agast
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Posted - 2011.06.20 00:58:00 -
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And indeed, I am looking for a new corp because of this. I'm not heavy into lolrp or anything, but I like to specialize/am extremely anal retentive on my skill training. Chasing fotm is not my style.
Also, armor fleet was not the "only way to roll," before I left. Honestly lowsec is/was always primarily shield nano, as was most of npc space, and wormhole. Armor showed up over 50% of the time in sov. fleets, but that was alright imo because where else was it? From the looks of things now it's shields+alpha/shield+drakes or gtfo from most FC's and i'm not sure why that is. Gotta join PL to fly baddons these days? Did PL recruit every FC worth a **** in this game or what?
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Lilith Velkor
Minmatar Heretic Army B A N E
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Posted - 2011.06.20 01:15:00 -
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Lowsec had plenty of armor BS fights, in fact about a year ago most if not all of the large fights I've been in have been exclusively armor battleships.
Nothing has been nerfed, player behaviour did nerf this playstyle. A large battleship fleet in lowsec tends to attract overkill responses.
So you bring out these fleets on a regular basis, and people do not fight you unless they can bring the numbers to crush you.
You start escalating, bringing a triage carrier to even out odds. The other side adapts, and brings more numbers and their own capitals.
After a few iterations, only a few entities are left that are able to escalate even further (many capitals and possibly supercapitals), the others are getting tired of losing all the time and adapt by rolling light.
No more combat opportunities for battleship fleets, people stop using them as roaming around two hours not getting a fight and ultimately getting hotdropped to the balls isnt fun.
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Nogunaba Agast
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Posted - 2011.06.20 01:28:00 -
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Battleships arent the only armor or amarr ships around. Granted gallente stink up the armor ranks a lot, but still there ought to be more armor hac, bc, etc. **** going on across the universe. From what I see it's everyone licking taint in drakes, canes, maels, munins. Where the **** are the zealots?
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King Rothgar
Path of the Fallen
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Posted - 2011.06.20 03:38:00 -
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Zealots were never popular for anything but null sec sniping. There was a very brief AHAC fad but that didn't survive the first conventional BS/BC gang they ran into. In any case, there are still armor gangs as said. Shields are somewhat fotm due to hotdrops but it's not uncommon to see a fleet of plated up harbs and canes running about with a couple guardians. I saw a few of them while hunting through the day. Only saw one dedicated shield gang and more than a few random ship blob fleets. This was in low sec, various regions.
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Nogunaba Agast
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Posted - 2011.06.20 03:42:00 -
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Yeah, random asshats in lowsec doesn't really amount to much.
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Aiwha
Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2011.06.20 03:46:00 -
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We were shouting Amarr Victor in Abbadons before it was cool. We're still doing it even if its not as cool. I can't heal stupid
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Nogunaba Agast
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Posted - 2011.06.20 03:54:00 -
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Edited by: Nogunaba Agast on 20/06/2011 03:54:37 Lets be honest Aiw, Delve might as well be lowsec since TEST and MM are both there now.
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Mfume Apocal
Minmatar Origin. Black Legion.
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Posted - 2011.06.20 08:18:00 -
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Originally by: Nogunaba Agast So, are there still a significant number of FC's running amarr fleet comps or did I miss a patch note where we got nerfed into oblivion?
Originally by: Dominion Patch Notes The Doomsday Device is now a single target weapon, only usable on ships and entities. It has a rate of fire of 10mins, prevents the titan from warping for 30seconds, prevents you from cloaking or jumping for 10minutes.
No mo' AoE DD, no mo' need for double DD tanked BSes for all serious sov fights. Now that anything goes in nullsec, dudes have to stay flexible with their comps. The only groups I can think of that currently runs Amarr exclusive is some of the DRF-aligned entities (WN with their arty abaddons, Raiden with those, ummm, unique 7 Tach Abaddons) and maybe Gypsy Band still. But even then those dudes at least partially run artybaddons, so I'm not sure if that's what you are looking for really.
It's a different game now.
(ps. I'm biased but BHACs are #1)
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Nogunaba Agast
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Posted - 2011.06.20 16:53:00 -
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Originally by: Mfume Apocal
Originally by: Nogunaba Agast So, are there still a significant number of FC's running amarr fleet comps or did I miss a patch note where we got nerfed into oblivion?
Originally by: Dominion Patch Notes The Doomsday Device is now a single target weapon, only usable on ships and entities. It has a rate of fire of 10mins, prevents the titan from warping for 30seconds, prevents you from cloaking or jumping for 10minutes.
No mo' AoE DD, no mo' need for double DD tanked BSes for all serious sov fights. Now that anything goes in nullsec, dudes have to stay flexible with their comps. The only groups I can think of that currently runs Amarr exclusive is some of the DRF-aligned entities (WN with their arty abaddons, Raiden with those, ummm, unique 7 Tach Abaddons) and maybe Gypsy Band still. But even then those dudes at least partially run artybaddons, so I'm not sure if that's what you are looking for really.
It's a different game now.
(ps. I'm biased but BHACs are #1)
Starting to clear things up abit, thanks. So projectiles took over.
ps. I like what you do with munins
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Super Chair
Caldari Hell's Revenge
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Posted - 2011.06.20 19:03:00 -
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Yeah between titan/MOM proliferation and projectile buffs armor BS fleets have become a little less common. Oh and kiting drake blobs.
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im'ba
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Posted - 2011.06.20 20:47:00 -
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Originally by: King Rothgar Zealots were never popular for anything but null sec sniping. There was a very brief AHAC fad but that didn't survive the first conventional BS/BC gang they ran into. In any case, there are still armor gangs as said.
ahac gangs are used on a daily basis in eve, add a few t3 mainly legions and web/scram lokis some guardians and tackle and you got your standard roaming gang these days whit the opposite vaga, cyna dram scimi fleets on the nano side. And zealots is still nr1 ahac whit that stupid pulse tracking and rof, muninn is right after..
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Roosterton
Internet SpaceCraft Raiding Fleet
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Posted - 2011.06.20 23:34:00 -
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Originally by: King Rothgar Zealots were never popular for anything but null sec sniping. There was a very brief AHAC fad but that didn't survive the first conventional BS/BC gang they ran into.
Shadoo disagrees with you. -------- Enemy corps raided into disbandment: Three.
Originally by: Tarminic
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King Rothgar
Path of the Fallen
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Posted - 2011.06.21 14:50:00 -
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That video was made 5 months ago during the brief AHAC fad. I don't doubt they are still running about in certain areas but I haven't seen one in months. I mostly see conventional BC/logi gangs which may or may not be nano. CS's are frequently thrown in as well as recon tacklers. A few HAC's find their way in too obviously, but they aren't the meat of them.
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Lord's Servant
Amarr Total Mayhem. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.06.21 20:07:00 -
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Most of the scrub alliances swapped over to this lolmaelstrom shield fleet idea.
AAA and co used to(still might, havent fought them in a while) use this tracking disruptor drake blob idea.
The main progenitors of the maelstrom idea were IT alliance, they died. The NC tried adopting it, and died. Pretty much all the scrub alliances that have adopted it have died in a ball of fire.
Goonswarm has been a major proponent of it, and havent died, but that is more due to A) noone's bothered to make a serious push on their space....yet(hehehehehehehehehe ) and B) believe it or not Goonswarm are about as pr0 as you can get at being a spaceholding alliance without being actually ~elitepvp pr0~. Irregardless, my alliance(NCdawt) uses almost exclusively armor abaddons/t3, and the occasional AHAC/t3 fleet. We have consistently ****d NC/Goons fleets for quite some time, and if you haven't been paying attn to politics, we now own all of the old NC's space.
AAA with their drake blob got ****d endlessly over and over by PL(in abaddons) when they were down in the Delve/Querious area prior the Northern Campaign.
Recently, a new(but extremely expensive) fleet doctrine has popped up involving tengu/scimitar fleets. These are one of the very few shield fleets that aren't mostly fail, and actually shows some promise. They are, however, SP and Isk intensive.
Basically, **** all the scrubs telling you train shield and projectiles, stick with amarr as it is still extremely good, and most/all of the alliances that have been *winning* and not losing their space/failscading in terrible ways use it, and armor. If you have solid killboard stats, know how to pvp, can follow orders, and don't have an NC history I would suggest looking at my alliance, NCdawt ingame.
-Lord's Servant, TMdawt, NCdawt
PS-I can use every gun ingame, including projectiles(except the capital projectiles), but that's a "wtf do I train when I have everything" choice, not anything to do with fleet training.(Crystal Maelstroms in losec ftw) -Lord's Servant |
Subtarian
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Posted - 2011.06.28 10:11:00 -
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Hmm. I remeber it different, as in the only way to counter -A- drake blob was to use the smartbombing BS setup to kill most of the incoming missiles. I actually remember doing quite well against those thunder cat fleets and Hell cat fleets. Maybe Im wrong though. what do I know I only flew in those fleets. Actually there are alot of FCs who still use the floating tank and zealot fleets you just got to look around.CI
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Lord's Servant
Amarr Total Mayhem. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.06.28 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: Subtarian Hmm. I remeber it different.......I actually remember doing quite well against those thunder cat fleets and Hell cat fleets. Maybe Im wrong though. what do I know I only flew on the losing side in those fleets......CI
Originally by: Lord's Servant Hmm. I remeber it different.......I actually remember doing quite well against those lol tracking disruptor drake fleets. Maybe Im wrong though. what do I know I only flew on the winning side in those fleets......
Your individual pilot efficiency wasn't bad due to the fact that if you *****d on at least one abaddon killmail you were positive for efficiency, but overall in the fights you guys got slaughtered.
Pilot flyin in them fleets checkin' in.
-Lords -Lord's Servant |
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Posted - 2011.06.28 22:34:00 -
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As was already pointed out, certain Amarr setups are quite popular, which in fact is mostly related to the guardian-capchaon-backbone making it an extremely strong setup for certain scenarios.
Zealot gangs used to be FOTM for a brief time after PL used them and everyone started imitating them, but they have become increasingly unpopular.
The current problem with Amarr isn't related to them being Armortanks (in lowsec small gangs it certainly is because of lacking mobility compared to shields), but lasers being sub par to projectiles in most circumstances, since CCP decided to boost projectiles into oblivion shortly after minmatar nano ships were made trackable in QR...
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Leeroy McJenkins
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.29 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: Lord's Servant my alliance(NCdawt) uses almost exclusively armor abaddons/t3, and the occasional AHAC/t3 fleet. We have consistently ****d NC/Goons fleets for quite some time, and if you haven't been paying attn to politics, we now own all of the old NC's space.
Because your pvp is so 1337 that you could have gotten all that space without the DRF and PL at your backs. That's why NCdawt had to go mack on Provi fight club and hot drop CVA back into Domain cuz your PeeVeePee is just that leet. You woulda came back north anyway, even without the DRF or PL, amirite dawg?
Originally by: Leeroy McJenkins There is no real pvp in EVE, there is only winning or losing and then feeling :smug: about winning or sore about losing. There is nothing wrong with this arrangement.
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Lord's Servant
Amarr Total Mayhem. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.06.29 21:10:00 -
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Originally by: Leeroy McJenkins
Originally by: Lord's Servant my alliance(NCdawt) uses almost exclusively armor abaddons/t3, and the occasional AHAC/t3 fleet. We have consistently ****d NC/Goons fleets for quite some time, and if you haven't been paying attn to politics, we now own all of the old NC's space.
Because your pvp is so 1337 that you could have gotten all that space without the DRF and PL at your backs. That's why NCdawt had to go mack on Provi fight club and hot drop CVA back into Domain cuz your PeeVeePee is just that leet. You woulda came back north anyway, even without the DRF or PL, amirite dawg?
Saving this quote for about a month down the line when pure blind is all evoke sov.
-Lords -Lord's Servant |
Leeroy McJenkins
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.29 21:37:00 -
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Originally by: Lord's Servant
Originally by: Leeroy McJenkins
Originally by: Lord's Servant my alliance(NCdawt) uses almost exclusively armor abaddons/t3, and the occasional AHAC/t3 fleet. We have consistently ****d NC/Goons fleets for quite some time, and if you haven't been paying attn to politics, we now own all of the old NC's space.
Because your pvp is so 1337 that you could have gotten all that space without the DRF and PL at your backs. That's why NCdawt had to go mack on Provi fight club and hot drop CVA back into Domain cuz your PeeVeePee is just that leet. You woulda came back north anyway, even without the DRF or PL, amirite dawg?
Saving this quote for about a month down the line when pure blind is all evoke sov.
-Lords
Marking the date on the calender. Will be reading EN24 a month from today.
Originally by: Leeroy McJenkins There is no real pvp in EVE, there is only winning or losing and then feeling :smug: about winning or sore about losing. There is nothing wrong with this arrangement.
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Whiskey Jameson
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Posted - 2011.06.29 22:23:00 -
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Originally by: Leeroy McJenkins
Originally by: Lord's Servant
Originally by: Leeroy McJenkins
Originally by: Lord's Servant my alliance(NCdawt) uses almost exclusively armor abaddons/t3, and the occasional AHAC/t3 fleet. We have consistently ****d NC/Goons fleets for quite some time, and if you haven't been paying attn to politics, we now own all of the old NC's space.
Because your pvp is so 1337 that you could have gotten all that space without the DRF and PL at your backs. That's why NCdawt had to go mack on Provi fight club and hot drop CVA back into Domain cuz your PeeVeePee is just that leet. You woulda came back north anyway, even without the DRF or PL, amirite dawg?
Saving this quote for about a month down the line when pure blind is all evoke sov.
-Lords
Marking the date on the calender. Will be reading EN24 a month from today.
This kind of sperg is wasted on eve-o, take it to kugu plz.
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