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Glasgow Dunlop	Posted - 2011.06.17 18:14:00 - [1] Its not a nice heading, but for a game I love, your going down that road where, a choice will be made, either to stay or to go. But from everything to Charging for new ships with plex-only, botters running roit and scaring everybody to death by saying that you need a liscence to run the fantastic free apps and sites run by dedicated players, it seems that some of your staff have become jaded, and dont really have the best intrests of the games out here. We love the game, thats why we play, but if these things are forced throught then in time you will end up losing a number from your player-base. So whats the rush to try and grab money in this sense, if your short on cash, raise prices??? We pay a subscription, so why charge us for all the lil stuff we dont want and get some other stuff that we need. We just want the game to be the best it can, but your side-projects we feel are dragging your main intrests away from us, and all the stuff we dont want is happing. So Come on CCP, stop with the ideas stolen from zombies, get into a ship, and start flying about again in the game you have made,have some fun and get the zest back again, because from this point of view, your slowly destorying it
Angel HUN Spricer WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2011.06.17 18:18:00 - [2] 2009. Originally by: CCP Oveur We. Will. Never. Leave. EVE.
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2011.06.17 18:18:00 - [3] The shareholders have taken over. ~~~
Leon Razor Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.17 18:19:00 - [4] I don't really support or agree with this post. Just came to say I think CCP Sellout would be a funny Dev name.
RensPriceChecker2	Posted - 2011.06.17 18:21:00 - [5] when they realized they need to raise more money to make dust more excellent for their news friends on the playstation network.
Hesperius	Posted - 2011.06.17 18:23:00 - [6] Space cube wars online coming soon!
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet	Posted - 2011.06.17 18:24:00 - [7] Originally by: Leon Razor I don't really support or agree with this post. Just came to say I think CCP Sellout would be a funny Dev name. That was the thing that came to my mind too. I'd also use it to post devblogs and threads with misleading titles for extra lolz.
Royston Townhead	Posted - 2011.06.17 18:25:00 - [8] Originally by: Leon Razor I don't really support or agree with this post. Just came to say I think CCP Sellout would be a funny Dev name. true, true , but its us that make make the game, play the game, if they want to try and make some more money then they should try and putting more back into eve, then a dont think we would mind paying an few few bucks a month, its all the 'lil gripes that make 1 big poostorm, and its sad that its going this way, but they have selective heaing on some issues a think.
Doc Fury Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.17 18:27:00 - [9] When they finally figured out that it is not sustainable to have 3 games under development when only one of them is bringing-in revenue. Those jokers from the Island of Ice strike yet again with their clever business and financial schemes. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Glasgow Dunlop	Posted - 2011.06.17 18:27:00 - [10] we can make a alternate version of EvE, and call it 'aDaM-Online'

Glasgow Dunlop	Posted - 2011.06.17 18:33:00 - [11] Originally by: Doc Fury When they finally figured out that it is not sustainable to have 3 games under development when only one of them is bringing-in revenue. Those jokers from the Island of Ice strike yet again with their clever business and financial schemes. Iceland has a screwed economy ( See here) and its no wonder that they are trying every strange trick to get cash out, they must have picked up a few bankers on the way, population of 400k(ish) , so just like a few corps some nutjobs came along for the ride, but Iceland do have a good strikerate for slowing Scottish Flights with there ashclouds So if they want more cash, raise prices? rather than the silly stuff
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2011.06.17 18:50:00 - [12] Originally by: Leon Razor I don't really support or agree with this post. Just came to say I think CCP Sellout would be a funny Dev name. Confirming this will be my dev name if CCP ever goes insane and hires me. It's reserved, CCP! No-one else can have it! ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Savage Angel	Posted - 2011.06.17 18:57:00 - [13] I think most MMOs are heading down the same path. They are all caught in a trap together. For years the "standard" sub price has been $15 US for a month of game play. No one wants to break that barrier by raising prices, so they all keep it there. Problem is, it has been the same price for years now. Most costs associated with a large game have gone up, but the revenue per player has not. So companies must either increase revenue or lower service. I for one would not mind a $1 increase in the monthly fee, but they have chosen a different way to raise cash.
Patient 2428190 DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School	Posted - 2011.06.17 19:10:00 - [14] Originally by: Doc Fury When they finally figured out that it is not sustainable to have 3 games under development when only one of them is bringing-in revenue. Those jokers from the Island of Ice strike yet again with their clever business and financial schemes. Two games basically. Nothing in EVE development gets more than 3-4 people assigned to it unless it goes into the Twilight MMO. ...Then when you stopped to think about it. All you really said was Lalala.
Vandrion Gallente The Collective B O R G	Posted - 2011.06.17 19:12:00 - [15] Originally by: Lady Spank The shareholders have taken over. Maybe CCP will sell shares in the money store!
Vandrion Gallente The Collective B O R G	Posted - 2011.06.17 19:14:00 - [16] CCP has become what they once laughed at Props to Cosmoes for digging this up from when CCP did care....... Bet they didn't even realize this would come back to haunt them!
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2011.06.17 19:23:00 - [17] Originally by: Vandrion CCP has become what they once laughed at Props to Cosmoes for digging this up from when CCP did care....... Bet they didn't even realize this would come back to haunt them! Ahahahahhhahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, epic. ~~~
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.06.17 19:24:00 - [18] Edited by: Miilla on 17/06/2011 19:25:08 Let's save time with links, put right in here.. subscription 2.0 reported by CCP Hammer \| 2008.04.01 00:38:57 \| Comments Here at CCP we care very strongly about our product, and we're constantly evaluating new paradigms and thoughtspaces in order to better realize our Total Market Potential. Our goal is to enhance the customer experience by offering new product channels and opportunities, allowing our customers to participate through selective transactional channels and fully realize their potential as Valued Income Partners { VIPs! Today we're announcing an exciting new service family, which we're calling "Subscription 2.0". In the spirit of Web 2.0, this new Integrated Business Bundle will allow VIPs { that's you! { to participate in the global product community, creating your own Tailored Product Packages in a way which best matches your Ideal Product Experience. Just as Web 2.0 is built on top of Web 1.0, Subscription 2.0 will be built on top of Subscription 1.0. We're not changing the underlying Service Provision Model { you'll still be paying a monthly fee as part of your Community Participation Agreement { although certain product areas will be migrated across to Subscription 2.0 in order to enhance user choice through Selective Resourcing. Subscription 2.0 will allow you to invest in optional product areas on an ad-hoc basis, so you only pay for what you actually want! Our launch product for Subscription 2.0 will be AmmoAnywhere!, which will be fully integrated into the client next week. It does exactly what it says on the tin { simply click the new "AmmoAnywhere!" button in the UI, and a new stack of ammunition will appear in your cargo hold. We've done everything we can to streamline this process, so there's no fiddling about with details and authorization: once you've set up your account to enable Subscription 2.0, clicking "AmmoAnywhere!" will automatically bill your credit card for the transaction as part of the Customer Experience Process. No hassle, no fuss, instant ammunition! Of course, we've had to make a few changes in order to fully realize the Product Delivery Potential of this new service. First up, all weapons will now use "NanoAmmo", which automatically morphs into the desired ammunition type at the point of firing. This ensures that there's no confusion over what ammo types you need to buy, streamlining the customer experience. Secondly, as we're projecting universal uptake for this service, we're removing the ability to manufacture ammunition in order to prevent people from erroneously utilizing manufacturing lines to build ammunition. This means more manufacturing capacity for everyone! Contingent upon a fully realized Product Delivery Potential, we have an additional range of Subscription 2.0 services in the pipeline which will further enhance the Customer Experience Process. These include InstaClone, Dock-O-Matic, T1 and T2 releases of BlueprintNow!, and many more. Subscription 2.0 { the future is TODAY!
Glasgow Dunlop	Posted - 2011.06.17 19:33:00 - [19] Originally by: Savage Angel I think most MMOs are heading down the same path. They are all caught in a trap together. For years the "standard" sub price has been $15 US for a month of game play. No one wants to break that barrier by raising prices, so they all keep it there. Problem is, it has been the same price for years now. Most costs associated with a large game have gone up, but the revenue per player has not. So companies must either increase revenue or lower service. I for one would not mind a $1 increase in the monthly fee, but they have chosen a different way to raise cash. Personally i would have paid an extra 5 $/G for it, rather than go down this pointless road of charging for stuff . . no one quite cares about yet, and if you do have new clothes/tats/cones from your hear, will you re-buy them if you lose your pod? _______________________________________________ And its not like there gona be busy over the weekend, CCP Soundwave and a band of players/devs will about around over the weekend, so they got no excusess really about this. And if CCP is on the stock exchange, then we should start buying shares !
Master Gotama	Posted - 2011.06.17 19:34:00 - [20] damn, talk about bitter-sweet, i'm not sure if i should laugh or cry...

Hans Jagerblitzen Autocannons Anonymous	Posted - 2011.06.17 19:35:00 - [21] Wow. Another OMGEVEISBEINGDESTROYED thread. Has this not been said before? Originally by: Glasgow Dunlop Charging for new ships with plex-only Only ship they are charging plex for is a re-skinned scorpion. If you don't want it, you'll pay nothing extra. Originally by: Glasgow Dunlop We love the game, thats why we play, but if these things are forced throught then in time you will end up losing a number from your player-base. Actually, Incarna, vanity items, ship paintjobs, all were features demanded by the player-base. CCP did not come up with them in a vacuum. The omgzombies you refer to are the now-bitter vets complaining that CCP is implementing features they demanded and now decide they dont want. Originally by: Glasgow Dunlop So whats the rush to try and grab money in this sense, if your short on cash, raise prices??? Wait a minute here. You're calling out CCP for being money-grubbing, than asking them to raise prices?? LOL. Like that wouldnt immediately result in another thousand "CCP is greedy" threads and piles of angst. Originally by: Glasgow Dunlop We pay a subscription, so why charge us for all the lil stuff we dont want and get some other stuff that we need. We just want the game to be the best it can, but your side-projects we feel are dragging your main intrests away from us, and all the stuff we dont want is happing. Pretty sure they've explained over and over again that they only stuff they're charging for are VANITY items. If you dont want it, you won't be charged! Is that hard for people to understand? They are charging so that they DONT have to waste their core developers on peripheral offerings. If players go ape**e over costumes and ship skins, CCP can hire more folks to do that stuff, and not peel dev time away from the core game. Once again, if you dont like it, dont pay for it. Won't cost you a dime. Why do you want to take away options from other players who ARE willing to pay for these extras? Originally by:** Glasgow Dunlop So Come on CCP, stop with the ideas stolen from zombies, get into a ship, and start flying about again in the game you have made,have some fun and get the zest back again, because from this point of view, your slowly destorying it Yes, CCP, those money-grubbing jerks, are destroying the thing that puts food on their table. I know all of us at our jobs make sure we do our best to run our employers into the ground. They certainly don't have financial analysts, marketing experts, or an ever-growing fanbase (despite years of forum trolling) that all suggest they continue on their current path to long-term success. And your suggestion that CCP doesn't hop in ships and fly around.....I wont even dignify that with a witty retort.
I Love Boobies Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.17 19:38:00 - [22] Lol... I hope people take into consideration the date on that dev blog link that was posted in this thread.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.06.17 19:39:00 - [23] Originally by: I Love Boobies Lol... I hope people take into consideration the date on that dev blog link that was posted in this thread. Yes so you're saying all this Incarna flaptrap is an April fools?
Hans Jagerblitzen Autocannons Anonymous	Posted - 2011.06.17 19:40:00 - [24] Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 17/06/2011 19:25:08 Let's save time with links, put right in here.. Wow, so unnecessary and eyeball hurting. So explain to me again where CCP is now charging for ammo??? Where is CCP offering ships-for-cash?? Where is CCP offering nano-ammo? This is a laughable troll attempt. Nothing in that CCP blog is even remotely coming to fruition. It was sarcasm, and still is. Please please show me one critical, core gameplay element, that you now have to pay for above and beyond your subscription fee. And that you dont have to work for in-game. Give me and example. Anyone.
Tess Ataru	Posted - 2011.06.17 19:42:00 - [25] pah just because you are a poor sod that flips burgers at mcdonalds everyday, a rich person like myself, now finally can be way ahead of you. im looking foreward to buy ships and skillpoints so i can pwn your sorry ass all day long.
Ranger 1 Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent	Posted - 2011.06.17 19:42:00 - [26] Originally by: Glasgow Dunlop Originally by: Savage Angel I think most MMOs are heading down the same path. They are all caught in a trap together. For years the "standard" sub price has been $15 US for a month of game play. No one wants to break that barrier by raising prices, so they all keep it there. Problem is, it has been the same price for years now. Most costs associated with a large game have gone up, but the revenue per player has not. So companies must either increase revenue or lower service. I for one would not mind a $1 increase in the monthly fee, but they have chosen a different way to raise cash. Personally i would have paid an extra 5 $/G for it, rather than go down this pointless road of charging for stuff . . no one quite cares about yet, and if you do have new clothes/tats/cones from your hear, will you re-buy them if you lose your pod? _______________________________________________ And its not like there gona be busy over the weekend, CCP Soundwave and a band of players/devs will about around over the weekend, so they got no excusess really about this. And if CCP is on the stock exchange, then we should start buying shares ! You do realize that once everything is up and running you will be able to buy these items for cash directly OR you can by them for ISK off of the player market right? ===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2011.06.17 19:54:00 - [27] Never. They have no sold us out. YET anyone that says they have is just a forum troll. The rest of us the seem angry are angry about them possibly selling us out. but it hasn't happen yet. seriously, IT HAS NOT HAPPEN YET. but they act like they want to. will they follow through? we'll see, but personally I think they will figure out how ****ed off some of the proposals have made us.
Glasgow Dunlop	Posted - 2011.06.17 19:55:00 - [28] Originally by: Tess Ataru pah just because you are a poor sod that flips burgers at mcdonalds everyday, a rich person like myself, now finally can be way ahead of you. im looking foreward to buy ships and skillpoints so i can pwn your sorry ass all day long. skillpoints for cash now??? whatever next,: paying cash for sh . . wait thats happing, umm, cash for avatar cloth. . .yup happing as well, next they set up a toll for jita gates I guess . .
Glasgow Dunlop	Posted - 2011.06.17 19:58:00 - [29] Originally by: MotherMoon Never. They have no sold us out. YET anyone that says they have is just a forum troll. The rest of us the seem angry are angry about them possibly selling us out. but it hasn't happen yet. seriously, IT HAS NOT HAPPEN YET. but they act like they want to. will they follow through? we'll see, but personally I think they will figure out how ****ed off some of the proposals have made us. and its the acting like it thats the peev. rather than listing to players about stuff, good and bad, just it seems that its more on the bad side than good for me, and thought there some that are not implimented . . . we dont know.
Master Gotama	Posted - 2011.06.17 19:58:00 - [30] Originally by: Hans Jagerblitzen Pretty sure they've explained over and over again that they only stuff they're charging for are VANITY items. If you dont want it, you won't be charged! Is that hard for people to understand? They are charging so that they DONT have to waste their core developers on peripheral offerings. If players go ape**e over costumes and ship skins, CCP can hire more folks to do that stuff, and not peel dev time away from the core game. Once again, if you dont like it, dont pay for it. Won't cost you a dime. Why do you want to take away options from other players who ARE willing to pay for these extras? Wow, you are completely clueless` When you decide to pull your head out of the sand you might realize that they have already tried to implement MORE THAN VANITY** items not more than a week ago (just look for ships for $$ thread). The only reason that didnFt happen is because people like the OP raised a crap storm about their attempt. (I cannot grasp how any reasonable person would trust that they only want to sell vanity items after that stunt!) I understand you prolly grew up on video games and tv and believe everything the internet tells you but try to exercise a little skepticism, itFll help you out when you grow up and live on your own some day. Furthermore, as evidenced by THIS expansion, they are already utilizing dev time that should be directed toward content improvement to accommodate MT. That is why we get NO content this expansion. Consider giving a little thought to your arguments before making a fool of yourself in the interweb, unless that was the impression you were trying to give.



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