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Alex Stokes
Erben der Nacht WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2011.06.16 21:04:00 -
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Count me in as well.
Strich's Liquid Service will shut down all services at the weekend. All parts of my services (mostly run only in the biggest german eve forum) are directly or indirectly affected, because I need tools like EWA for my services. Not to mention my lottery (the part of my service also running in the official forum.) Roadrunner's Lottery - Choose your odds; NOT another "ticked-based" lotto - No need to wait for others. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2011.06.16 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: Kronus Heilgar
Obviously the answer to this question is up to each individual participant, but personally I am of the opinion that we should go forward with it. Although certainly a step in the right direction, CCP Zulu's reply highlights the fact that the opinions and feedback of the players and developers takes a back seat to their desire to spit out more candy-coated features that it seems most players don't want.
I believe that continuing with our demonstration will really help sink in the fact that as a united player base that is footing the bill for everything CCP does, we should at least have some input into how things are done, preferably before posting bad ideas to a dev blog and starting a 1000-post rage threadnaught.
Kronus
Ok signed.
Guys, let's do this. Go and put your name under the appeal, since it's a WAY better alternative draft than CCPs.
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Jake Falcor
C0VEN
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Posted - 2011.06.16 23:35:00 -
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I find CCP Zulu's response mostly disturbing. I don't know who came up with that mad idea, but it is just Bad.
For Eve, a game that is focused and based on community and player/player interactions, setting an artificial bar for any future attempts on 3rd party applications is ridiculous at the very least. Considering how much effort it takes for an application like that to be properly written, tested and introduced, an additional payment - bah even additional formalities like the ones suggested - are just a killer. I believe most of the existing applications will continue to exist one way or another, but what about new apps?
I am no application developer, but You guys have both my support and understanding in this.
OOT I am somewhat happy that CCP considers player's opinion, but I believe it is still too little. CSM is great, representing mainly alliances they came from, but maybe you'll (CCP) look at casual players as well someday huh?
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Crystal Wolf
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Posted - 2011.06.17 00:01:00 -
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Invision Hosting will withdraw it's participation for now. As CCP seem to have at least listened somewhat. I just hope their "Revised" scheme is not as ******ed as this was.
We will continue to keep an eye out and provide our support if needed.
Cheers
Crystal
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Consortium Agent
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Posted - 2011.06.17 01:27:00 -
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Consider reportbots.com, the PI POS Fuel Calculator and my other tools as being offline this weekend with a big message saying why.
I support this 100%. Let's demonstrate to CCP what the 3rd party developers really bring to the table.
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Krathos Morpheus
Legion Infernal
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Posted - 2011.06.17 09:03:00 -
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Signed the document, but I think that is completely useless being open for the public. The document should be locked and posted so no one can modify it and signed through a post, since anyone can write anyone's name there and anyone can change what is written in it.
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OMFG1111
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Posted - 2011.06.17 09:04:00 -
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Don't forget EVE Survival and EVE Central
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Mark Hamill
Amarr Galactic Waste Management EVE Trade Consortium
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Posted - 2011.06.17 12:36:00 -
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As the developer of EVETycoon, I support this initiative.
I never wrote EVETycoon with the purpose of making money. I wrote it for me and found people liked it and just went from there. While I do take donations to help offset the costs of developing and maintaining it, monetizing it was never my goal.
Furthermore, I do NOT in any way shape or form support the ignorant idea of turning EVE into a "WoW in Space" via MT. I pay a subscription fee every month. I expect to get EVERYTHING EVE has to offer for that fee. I do NOT expect to have to buy Plex cards on TOP of that in order to access extra items.
Even though they've somewhat retracted their initial dev blog regarding license fees, they have NOT heeded the call to abort this insane MicroTransaction greed.
EVETycoon's help files are all offline for the entire weekend. Furthermore, users who do start ET will be greeted in the Welcome Center by notice explaining why they're offline.
EVETycoon Marketing, trading and reprocessing tool. |
Frozen Guardian
Registered Amateur Mathematicians
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Posted - 2011.06.17 13:28:00 -
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Hi,
I do NOT support this demonstration. While myself am affected by the upcoming changes you are unfortunately going a ye bit crazy over a "draft" version. Unless that **** was coming out in a week and we were being forced to do it then it would be a different story. Right now doing a turn off of services for two days when the final version hasn't even been written is going a bit too far.
So everyone please let CCP fix this and get a better and more official version going before you go all crazy on them. CCP has said some pretty crazy things in the past and have gone back on them with our feedback. Go to the official thread and voice your opinion and just wait for a little bit. Okay? If you show CCP you're willing to hear them out is going to get a far better response than raging with turning off your services well before anything has been set in stone.
Yes it's okay to just wait for the time being. Clear your mind and go shoot some noob moving a plex in a shuttle.
-FG
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Mark Hamill
Amarr Galactic Waste Management EVE Trade Consortium
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Posted - 2011.06.17 14:03:00 -
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Originally by: Frozen Guardian Hi,
I do NOT support this demonstration. While myself am affected by the upcoming changes you are unfortunately going a ye bit crazy over a "draft" version. Unless that **** was coming out in a week and we were being forced to do it then it would be a different story. Right now doing a turn off of services for two days when the final version hasn't even been written is going a bit too far.
So everyone please let CCP fix this and get a better and more official version going before you go all crazy on them. CCP has said some pretty crazy things in the past and have gone back on them with our feedback. Go to the official thread and voice your opinion and just wait for a little bit. Okay? If you show CCP you're willing to hear them out is going to get a far better response than raging with turning off your services well before anything has been set in stone.
Yes it's okay to just wait for the time being. Clear your mind and go shoot some noob moving a plex in a shuttle.
-FG
Aurum is not a draft. This protest is ALSO about microtransactions. Please read EVERYTHING this protest is about before you post. EVETycoon Marketing, trading and reprocessing tool. |
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Frozen Guardian
Registered Amateur Mathematicians
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Posted - 2011.06.17 20:18:00 -
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Originally by: Mark Hamill
Originally by: Frozen Guardian Hi,
I do NOT support this demonstration. While myself am affected by the upcoming changes you are unfortunately going a ye bit crazy over a "draft" version. Unless that **** was coming out in a week and we were being forced to do it then it would be a different story. Right now doing a turn off of services for two days when the final version hasn't even been written is going a bit too far.
So everyone please let CCP fix this and get a better and more official version going before you go all crazy on them. CCP has said some pretty crazy things in the past and have gone back on them with our feedback. Go to the official thread and voice your opinion and just wait for a little bit. Okay? If you show CCP you're willing to hear them out is going to get a far better response than raging with turning off your services well before anything has been set in stone.
Yes it's okay to just wait for the time being. Clear your mind and go shoot some noob moving a plex in a shuttle.
-FG
Aurum is not a draft. This protest is ALSO about microtransactions. Please read EVERYTHING this protest is about before you post.
I have 0 problems with Aurum. I approve fully of CCP doing micro-transactions for the cosmetic stuff 100%. Anything else?
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MichiG2
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Posted - 2011.06.17 21:47:00 -
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I like EvE and CCP and i like develop some tools. That takes many time but there is no money i get for all that time. And if there is nobody who pays me that $99/year I am going to stop develop anything.
Paying $99/year and got a new API/Data_Dump .. without any time to get fixed the changes. $99 for any missing information about wich export-button will be missed after the next update? And wrong API-Data?
By the way: I also have to pay the server and url bill.
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Caphelo
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Posted - 2011.06.17 23:32:00 -
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Originally by: Frozen Guardian
I have 0 problems with Aurum. I approve fully of CCP doing micro-transactions for the cosmetic stuff 100%. Anything else?
Edit: I'll go into a bit more detail why. If a person wishes to have a golden pimped out version of a scorpion or a monocle on their character then by all means. Who ever buys this stuff will not get an advantage in PvE or PvP so why should I care? If a person wants a special made tattoo of Chribba's face on their arm then let them spend 5 dollars. Unless CCP releases a micro-transaction where a player can buy a module better than an officer version or any version then I have a problem. They said during the tournament that this wasn't going to happen. No advantages. If people wish to look different and CCP spends some extra man power allowing this then that's great. Hell I may even spend some money but I doubt it.
You seem to have a lot more faith in CCP than most people. Most of us do not trust CCP to keep Aurum items limited to cosmetics. Two years ago, yeah maybe we would have trusted them, but not now, not the way CCP has been trending.
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spackles Ibsol
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Posted - 2011.06.17 23:46:00 -
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Typical over reaction by the eve for7um players, it's 100$ it is less than a single night on the **** out with ya mates, honestly the sky is not falling. As for stopping third party apps in protest....... LOL
That is easy gotten round, people dont need evemon to survive or EVEHQ, etc etc....They just think they do.I really an honestly think you lot are panicking over the sky falling for nothing.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2011.06.17 23:46:00 -
[75]
Please don't derail this thread in the Aurum flames. There are enough on GD as is, go post there.
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spackles Ibsol
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Posted - 2011.06.17 23:57:00 -
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I am not trying to mate, I honestly believe that this entire issue is not that bigger deal. As for paying for the cosmetics, I see no problem at all there... It's a good idea hell we have played EVE for 7 years with all our ships looking exactly same, is it really a huge problem?
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Kronus Heilgar
Heilgar Trading Corp.
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Posted - 2011.06.18 00:09:00 -
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Edited by: Kronus Heilgar on 18/06/2011 00:12:27 I really don't know what to say to this. CCP asks for constructive feedback, we create a well-worded proposal document to do just that, and some ****ing prick decides to delete the entire thing. Whether you agree with CCP's devblog, disagree and would like to see changes, or are indifferent, that was just... I don't even have words for it. Ass-holes.
EDIT: due to Google being awesome and keeping a perfect revision history, it's been restored. Please have at least a little bit of respect this time, we're trying to do this constructively. ------------
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spackles Ibsol
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Posted - 2011.06.18 00:19:00 -
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In all seriousness, does someone want to give me the cut down version of the issue. It seems to me people dont want to pay for cosmetics, yes?. So if you want a decal on your ship or new hairstyle, your up in arms over that?.... The 100$ a year thing for evemon etc, seems quite piddling to me (not trying to insult). 30 cents a day doesn't seem like such a dramatic effect in my eyes.
I honestly dont get what the issue is. The fact they want to introduce payments for little visual decals is of no conqiquence whatsoever really.... It is purely up to you if you want them.It isn't like they are going to suddenly start charging you to your credit card every time you repair or you want to buy ammo... That is never going to happen.
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Femaref
Armageddon Day WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2011.06.18 02:00:00 -
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Originally by: spackles Ibsol In all seriousness, does someone want to give me the cut down version of the issue. It seems to me people dont want to pay for cosmetics, yes?. So if you want a decal on your ship or new hairstyle, your up in arms over that?.... The 100$ a year thing for evemon etc, seems quite piddling to me (not trying to insult). 30 cents a day doesn't seem like such a dramatic effect in my eyes.
I honestly dont get what the issue is. The fact they want to introduce payments for little visual decals is of no conqiquence whatsoever really.... It is purely up to you if you want them.It isn't like they are going to suddenly start charging you to your credit card every time you repair or you want to buy ammo... That is never going to happen.
The protest is mainly about the clause requiring any free application or service to pay for a commercial license if they receive donations in the form ISK. This would include every lottery, every 3rd party service, every application asking for donations as a little give-back from the user, signature creation services and many more, if they are using parts of the eve IP, which quite frankly, you'll have to do if you want to offer an eve related service.
While I can't speak for everybody, I'm not as concerned about the actual commercial license for real commercial usage (ie. required payment).
In short: don't require a license for free (as in: no real money involved to buy the app/access) or ad-financed (for server hosting, not revenue) as those are already covered by the normal EULA. While problematic, a commercial license for commercial usage (ie. iPhone appstore) makes sense.
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Etheoma
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Posted - 2011.06.18 02:13:00 -
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Although it is a massive inconvenience to have all you guys shut down i wholeheartedly agree that charging 3rd party devs is totally unfair, non profit organisations don't need another charge on there already unprofitable site / applications I don't know why EVEMON is still online : / i know $99 a year isn't that much but the signal you send out with that charge is not a good one and the gesture will do more damage than the charge its self, even bringing it up has already probably done damage, I suggest CCP that you formally apologize and re-work the idea only to those target those applications sites etc that make a profit, asking for donations to make back some of the money you spend when you have already spent your time on creating the thing is just plain wrong.
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Wrath IX
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Posted - 2011.06.18 04:00:00 -
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I totally agree with not charging 3rd party developers as it stands. These people work their collective tails off to make tools to enhance our collective gameplay experience.
I mean really, as far as i know all or at least most of these developers are also players so they are already paying to play the game. Not to mention the fact that most serious players have more then one account with an average as far as I can tell of 3 accounts
I can't imagine that CCP is so hurting for money that they would need to do this to our developers.
So Unless that $99 unlocks some bat cave level secret to making their programs work more smoothly or integrate more smothly with eve, then don't do it
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Azazel Mordred
Minmatar Cloak of Shadows
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Posted - 2011.06.18 08:03:00 -
[82]
OOE is partying.
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Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission EVE Trade Consortium
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Posted - 2011.06.18 09:39:00 -
[83]
EVEWalletAware has joined the party yesterday. -- EVEWalletAware - an offline wallet manager |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2011.06.18 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: Hel O'Ween EVEWalletAware has joined the party yesterday.
Now your signature got new a meaning about the "offline wallet manager" bit.
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Evanova Android
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Posted - 2011.06.18 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: Frozen Guardian Hi,
I do NOT support this demonstration. While myself am affected by the upcoming changes you are unfortunately going a ye bit crazy over a "draft" version. Unless that **** was coming out in a week and we were being forced to do it then it would be a different story. Right now doing a turn off of services for two days when the final version hasn't even been written is going a bit too far.
So everyone please let CCP fix this and get a better and more official version going before you go all crazy on them. CCP has said some pretty crazy things in the past and have gone back on them with our feedback. Go to the official thread and voice your opinion and just wait for a little bit. Okay? If you show CCP you're willing to hear them out is going to get a far better response than raging with turning off your services well before anything has been set in stone.
Yes it's okay to just wait for the time being. Clear your mind and go shoot some noob moving a plex in a shuttle.
-FG
I have to agree entirely with this. As I see it, this is only a *draft* and the whole idea behind it is to make it easier to 3rd parties to make money. The Capsuleer story showed us how hard it was to get CCP on a business license. I secretly hope CCP understood that and tried to come up with some easy licensing scheme.
Of course they need to mess up a good move with misinformed decisions and ill-conceived ideas. Hell, it's CCP we are talking about! But at least they don't slam it on us. There is a LOT of room for improvement and the best developers could do is work with CCP on a scheme that would be good for both parties. For my part, I have just posted 'Evanova', which is 6-month worth of work packed as a free Android application for Eve, no later than yesterday. I am outraged as much as anyone about the donations and ISK parts, but 99$ sounds reasonable to me if I want to SELL my application on the Android Market. Actually, it is much better than having to go through the misery of dealing with CCP to get such a deal.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2011.06.18 12:34:00 -
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Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 18/06/2011 12:35:24
Originally by: Evanova Android
I have to agree entirely with this. As I see it, this is only a *draft* and the whole idea behind it is to make it easier to 3rd parties to make money. The Capsuleer story showed us how hard it was to get CCP on a business license. I secretly hope CCP understood that and tried to come up with some easy licensing scheme.
Of course they need to mess up a good move with misinformed decisions and ill-conceived ideas. Hell, it's CCP we are talking about! But at least they don't slam it on us. There is a LOT of room for improvement and the best developers could do is work with CCP on a scheme that would be good for both parties. For my part, I have just posted 'Evanova', which is 6-month worth of work packed as a free Android application for Eve, no later than yesterday. I am outraged as much as anyone about the donations and ISK parts, but 99$ sounds reasonable to me if I want to SELL my application on the Android Market. Actually, it is much better than having to go through the misery of dealing with CCP to get such a deal.
This did not became a draft in some magical way. Actually this IS the draft CCP style, in the sense it started as final, then the outrage made them patch it and finally they backpedalled it and put the late flag: "draft" at the end.
If people stood in faithful waiting, maybe 3 days from now we'd have to pay already.
Also, no one (including us) ever had anything to say about the license for payware apps, in fact we are in the other half of the license, the freeware apps.
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Mamba Lev
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.06.18 12:38:00 -
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I wish i had a site to shut down for this. It's a **** take. Bring Back Faction f.o.f.s
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Azazel Mordred
Minmatar Cloak of Shadows
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Posted - 2011.06.18 13:16:00 -
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Originally by: Evanova Android
I am outraged as much as anyone about the donations and ISK parts, but 99$ sounds reasonable to me if I want to SELL my application on the Android Market. Actually, it is much better than having to go through the misery of dealing with CCP to get such a deal.
I absolutely agree with this. If their licensing proposal can be redone in such a way that it only applies to applications with commercial aspirations, that would be great for everyone. |
Consortium Agent
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Posted - 2011.06.18 14:45:00 -
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ReportBots, PI POS Fuel Calculator, et all have joined the party as of yesterday. Site and all tools will remain down all weekend with a nice note about why and a link to the threadnaught CCP created with their stupidity.
I sat in Jita half the day yesterday posting about this issue in local and will continue to take time out of my day and game to do the same all weekend, and longer if I must.
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Cyri Huren
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Posted - 2011.06.18 18:07:00 -
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not that my site is huge or very large in any way but I will definitely sign up for this site down :-)
07capsuleer.com is offline for the weekend
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