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Hermann Fegelein
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.05.31 23:02:00 -
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Blobbing gives them an advantage.
Look at it this way. Country A has nukes. Country B does not. Country A and Country B get in a war. Country A has a significant advantage because they have nukes. Will Country A not use their advantage because it's "cowardly" or "unsporting". HELL NO! Using the nuke will minimize Country A's losses and maximize Country B's losses.
Now put that in EVE terms. If you blob people you are less likely to take losses and more likely to win. People don't like having their expensive ships destroyed and people like to win.
I have a question for those against blobbing. Why would you intentionally put yourself at a disadvantage when you can easily blob as much as the other guys?
If more people blobbed, there would be a larger chance of blobs running into each other which means more large fleet battles. As the game trailers with the large fleet battles show, CCP must want the game to be about huge fights rather than solo engagements.
More Blobs= More fleet wars= more fun
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LHA Tarawa
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Posted - 2011.05.31 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: Claska the reasons you go to low-sec is A) better rewards b) pvp
So why, do you ruin good fights by blobing?
To increase the odds of winning... DUH!
If I find myself in a fair fight, then something has gone horridly wrong.
Why would you go into a fight without a blob on standby to back you up if/when you need it?
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Claska
Amarr The 8th Tribe Seraphim Dragoons.
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Posted - 2011.05.31 23:07:00 -
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Edited by: Claska on 31/05/2011 23:10:31 Edited by: Claska on 31/05/2011 23:09:08 Edited by: Claska on 31/05/2011 23:07:44
Originally by: Demure Guise
Originally by: Claska the reasons you go to low-sec is A) better rewards b) pvp
So why, do you ruin good fights by blobbing?
You missed out c) To ruin someone's day and have a bloody good laugh imagining the resulting QQ'ing. Then, rinse and repeat.
Endless amusement. :)
your right but i thought that came along eith the assumption that you plaed in eve to have fun therefore every action taken is towards that end, still your right, i did miss that out.
It's hard to GTFO when your scramed.
you may have read it but you probebly didn't understand it then, alas i can't be bothered to explain the whole "you pvp for a greater challange as to have more fun and blobing takes the challgneing away which removes the point of doing it in the first place" idea so unless you can actually come up with a viable counter point with actual valid points that at least leave credence towards what your saying, I can't be bothered to reply to you.
Originally by: LHA Tarawa
Originally by: Claska the reasons you go to low-sec is A) better rewards b) pvp
So why, do you ruin good fights by blobing?
To increase the odds of winning... DUH!
If I find myself in a fair fight, then something has gone horridly wrong.
Why would you go into a fight without a blob on standby to back you up if/when you need it?
so you can you know, have a challenge?
either way, you do realise that your all proving my point that blobbing is just killing solo pvp right? why do we go without a blob? because we want a challenge, we want to take out an opponent and have that satisfaction that it was a hard fight won and that you can brag about how awesome you are for doing it, you can't do that in a blob.
p.s. don't use real world analogies when to describe this game, contries go to war for resources, everything you do in eve is ultimatly for fun, you go to war to get more resources so can ultimatly get more ships to have more fun with.
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LHA Tarawa
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Posted - 2011.05.31 23:21:00 -
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Originally by: Claska so you can you know, have a challenge?
Taking a BS solo into low sec is not looking for a challenge. It is looking to go home in your pod. Hope you had insurance.
Originally by: Claska you do realise that your all proving my point that blobbing is just killing solo pvp right? why do we go without a blob? because we want a challenge, we want to take out an opponent and have that satisfaction that it was a hard fight won and that you can brag about how awesome you are for doing it, you can't do that in a blob.
Then you need to go play some game that is a 1-v-1 combat simulator. There are millions of them out there.
EVE Online is an MMORPG. MASSIVE Multi-player Online Role Playing Game. EVE is about playing in groups. Groups stomp the mustard out of solo PVPers.
Or, if you really, really want to solo PVP, then get yourself a cynabal or nano vagabond or dramiel or maybe even a cloak fit T3. You know... something small and fast that at least has a chance of running away if you get blobbed.
EVE does not have a PVP areana where people can solo or small group PVP and everyone else is locked out.
If you do not blob, then expect others to blob you. Blobbing WORKS! People do what works.
THAT is EVE. Like it or leave it, but you are not going to change it.
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NinjaSpud
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Posted - 2011.05.31 23:36:00 -
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Edited by: NinjaSpud on 31/05/2011 23:37:11
Originally by: Alara IonStorm Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 31/05/2011 22:35:29
Originally by: Shieko Chan First of all, I assume that by "Blob" you are referring to large fleets.
Blob = 7 in this case for reference.
1 Hictor Tackle 2 Blaster DPS Battleships 1 Cane 2 ECM 1 Curse
I know it looks like a standard small gang but don't be fooled it is a Blob.
Wow you really have no idea what a blob is. Have you ever been in a large fleet battle? Allow me to clear it up for you. This is not a blob. This is a low sec roaming gang. A wolf pack, a hunting party, whatever you want to call it.
I can probably tell you exactly how it happened: 1 ) The devouter tackled you so you could not run, 2 ) The 2 ECM's jammed you so you could not fire back, 3 ) the curse neuted your cap so you could not repair the awesome tank an abso can fit, 4) and then the battleships and BC melted your armor. The battle lasted for about 2 minuets I'm assuming.
How is this a blob? This is a well thought out, organized group, each with their own job.
Have you ever been alpha'd by 100 battleships? Or been warping to a gate, landed in a bubble and come face to face with 45 drakes? A blob is a group that can instantly overpower you with the littlest of effort, simply because of their sheer numbers. Blobs don't need tackle, or ECM, or neuting support.
You did not encounter a blob. You encountered a small group of friends having fun at your expense. That sting you feel is pride, not pride in your ship loss, but pride in the fact that you did something stupid by solo flying that abso into low sec.
Eve is like the streets of downtown Chicago after midnight, you got jumped for being in the wrong place, looking for a fight.
Sorry!
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Alexandra Delarge
The Korova
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Posted - 2011.05.31 23:45:00 -
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0 kills 0 losses
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Ami Nia
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Posted - 2011.05.31 23:45:00 -
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Dear Claska, you have been playing for two years and four months, so it's possible you are trolling us.
However you have been mostly carebearing, so it's also possible you really are clueless. I'll bite.
Your premise: Originally by: Claska the reasons you go to low-sec is A) better rewards b) pvp
is totally wrong.
You are assuming that what you find funny is what other people find funny, but this is not the case.
For a lot of people in lowsec a good premise would be:
reasons for living in lowsec: A) exploding ships B) tear extraction
If they blob you, your ship explodes. If they give you a good fight, it may or may not explode. So blobbing wins on point A. I they give you a good fight you are not annoyed, do not cry and do not come to the forums to express your annoyance. If they blob you you do (you DID!). So blobbing wins on point B as well.
What you consider fun is a good fight. What a lot of people consider fun, is preventing you from having fun. They do not consider it fun to have a good fight with you. They consider it very very funny to annoy you and have you cry on the forums your annoyance.
They do not want your killmail or whatever your ship dropped. This thread is the loot they were after. You gave it to them.
Fly safe (if you cannot fly dangerously for others). Ami -- And then there's of course the thing with it getting FPS even slower than the character creator, heating up video cards, taking a noticeable time to fully load ... |
Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2011.05.31 23:54:00 -
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Originally by: Alara IonStorm
I can probably tell you exactly how it happened: 1 ) The devouter tackled you so you could not run, 2 ) The 2 ECM's jammed you so you could not fire back, 3 ) the curse neuted your cap so you could not repair the awesome tank an abso can fit, 4) and then the battleships and BC melted your armor. The battle lasted for about 2 minuets I'm assuming.
I would assume that is how it happened to the OP since the ships were listed off her KM.
Originally by: Alara IonStorm
How is this a blob?
It isn't hence the Sarcasm.
Originally by: Alara IonStorm
Have you ever been alpha'd by 100 battleships? Or been warping to a gate, landed in a bubble and come face to face with 45 drakes? A blob is a group that can instantly overpower you with the littlest of effort, simply because of their sheer numbers. Blobs don't need tackle, or ECM, or neuting support.
50 Maelstroms are a ***** when backed up by Rapiers, Scimitars, Broadswords and Dramiels, I know that much, but I am not on the forums complaining cause it was my Stupidity that let me get caught. But I am guessing you are confusing me with the OP for some reason.
I was prolly one of the 45 Drakes too at some point or another but I hate flyin in Blobs personally, any gang big enough to need voice gets old fast. I tend to avoid OPs with more then 10 People.
Originally by: Alara IonStorm
You did not encounter a blob. You encountered a small group of friends having fun at your expense. That sting you feel is pride, not pride in your ship loss, but pride in the fact that you did something stupid by solo flying that abso into low sec.
True but replace me with the OP and you would be correct.
Originally by: Alara IonStorm
Eve is like the streets of downtown Chicago after midnight, you got jumped for being in the wrong place, looking for a fight.
Cept after Midnight most people are asleep and Low Sec is pretty Empty, weekend warrior thugs I guess.
Originally by: Alara IonStorm
Sorry!
It is ok, I could see how a person with a thin grasp of Sarcasm could miss this and I shoulda linked the mail with the reply. Please do not confuse me with the OP again.
Apology Accepted (Not Sarcastically, thought I would need to mention that based on Experience.)
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Claska
Amarr The 8th Tribe Seraphim Dragoons.
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Posted - 2011.06.01 01:00:00 -
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A blob can be 5 ships or 50, so long as you outnumber them by a ridiculas amount it's a blob or at least fit's blob mentality for the record they didn't use any ecm, or at least if they did they didn't get a jam cycle, i nearly at least nailed the cyclone, got it into half armour. your right, i am trolling a little becuase your posts to my non trolling thread were becomming amusing to me. I didn't start the topic to troll, i started it to gain insight into the thought process that would cause people to drain the fun out of the game by remving the challenge.
If people blob becuase they find it fun to kill a ship in a very unchallenging way (read boring) then they must be very easily amused people who don't need much to have fun. you say people don't go to lo sec for better rewards, are you sure? i know that the rewards in lo-sec are much better then high sec and judging from the modules that most definatly come from there i'd say it's a fact that people go there for rewards that are unobtainable in high sec.
The other reason is to pvp as you can't do that in high sec without a wardec or from being Concordokend, from what i've read, most people start pvping becuase they want the challenge it provides,(oh look since it comes from people's acounts it's actually evidence) thus to have more fun
The tears thing i didn't mention becuase to most pirates it goes without saying, i like to pirate or i did before it became practicly imposible without being jumped by a blob becuase i enjoyed a more challenging fight then PVE can provide and becuase it was fun to see if they reacted badly or not.
lastly i'm not whining, i'ts interesting to note that you ignore the point of the topic in vafore of trying to be insulting. The point of the topic was to get an understanding of people who blob, you spout how they do it be cuase of goals or whatever but in the heart of it, people who blob do it becuase: they don't want to chance loosing there ships and they want to think there capable by getting an easy kill
all that reads is to me there cowards and don't care about actually having any fun and getting good at pvping, so in the end your all right, people who blob are easily ammused and are cowardly, you did a fantastic job in pointing that out to me, quibble over semantics all you want, it's all just words.
any way, seams i got the last laugh, what was a genuine thread asking for infomation turned out to be quite funny so thanks for the laugh.
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Val'Dore
Word Bearers of Chaos Word of Chaos Undivided
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Posted - 2011.06.01 01:04:00 -
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Originally by: Alexandra Delarge 0 kills 0 losses
0 kills 0 losses
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54 kills 22 losses
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I see the PvP Experts are sharing their wisdom.
Sayeth the 0 kills and 1 loss.
~No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously.~
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Skydell
Caldari Morrigna Order
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Posted - 2011.06.01 01:08:00 -
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Cheer up, it only gets better.
FotM Blob All there to bash the POS.
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Claska
Amarr The 8th Tribe Seraphim Dragoons.
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Posted - 2011.06.01 01:11:00 -
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Originally by: Skydell Cheer up, it only gets better.
FotM Blob All there to bash the POS.
Ok, now that's funny, horrendesly ridiculas but most definatly funny. would they insta pop the tower if they all DD'd the tower?
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Plus 1
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Posted - 2011.06.01 01:13:00 -
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Originally by: Claska the reasons you go to low-sec is A) better rewards b) pvp
So why, do you ruin good fights by blobing? for example, i just lost an absolution, in what would have been a good fight, one that I might have won or lost, but it would have been a good fight, instead they pile and and boom i loose my ship but more importantly I didn't get a good fight. So I ask you What is the point of flying in lowsec if you are just going to deny one entier half of the reason of being there and having boring fights? plus it makes you look cowardly, it shows that you couldn't win a fight on even standings, but I digress; can some one from one those cowardly corps who can only pvp through blobing explain to me why you bother to even be in low-sec if your going to deny one of the main reasons to be there, becuase it makes no sense, why deny yourself fun? This is a game is it not? So please, enlighten me.
p.s. whilst I am honestly intriged as to the mental process of ruinging your own fun, I'd be lying if I said I wasn't annoyed that I lost out on a good fight. I don't care that i lost the ship, I've lost several of them, it's the fun that's been denied that I'm a little peeved about.
Why do you have a kill with 251 involved parties on your killboard?
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Mr Dilkington
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Posted - 2011.06.01 01:15:00 -
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Edited by: Mr Dilkington on 01/06/2011 01:16:07
Originally by: Alexandra Delarge 0 kills 0 losses
0 kills 0 losses
0 kills 1 losses
54 kills 22 losses
1 kill 1 losses
I see the PvP Experts are sharing their wisdom.
Whats that suppose to mean?, your stats prove jack, people have alts and some people never post kills. You should stick to wow and esports.
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Claska
Amarr The 8th Tribe Seraphim Dragoons.
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Posted - 2011.06.01 01:15:00 -
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Edited by: Claska on 01/06/2011 01:15:33 ^^ that was for the Sansha invasion event you'd realise that if you noticed that the pilot was named Slave Endoma01.
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Poetic Stanziel
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Posted - 2011.06.01 01:17:00 -
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Wasn't all of WWI just both sides engaging in blob warfare ... blob versus blob isn't all that effective, of course.
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Claska
Amarr The 8th Tribe Seraphim Dragoons.
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Posted - 2011.06.01 01:19:00 -
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Originally by: Poetic Stanziel Wasn't all of WWI just both sides engaging in blob warfare ... blob versus blob isn't all that effective, of course.
That would be I belive Fleet Vs Fleet. Fleet combat is kinda boring, it's literealy melt or be melted, most fits are just BUFFER to last that extra second, the side that takes longer to melt wins!
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Poetic Stanziel
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Posted - 2011.06.01 01:19:00 -
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If the blob loses 10 3M ISK frigates, but the other side loses 1 500M ISK ship, then the blobbers win.
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Posted - 2011.06.01 01:34:00 -
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Originally by: Claska Edited by: Claska on 01/06/2011 01:15:33 ^^ that was for the Sansha invasion event you'd realise that if you noticed that the pilot was named Slave Endoma01.
Even still, you've got some gank kills on your own KB. So why did you do it?
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Skydell
Caldari Morrigna Order
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Posted - 2011.06.01 01:53:00 -
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Originally by: Claska
Originally by: Skydell Cheer up, it only gets better.
FotM Blob All there to bash the POS.
Ok, now that's funny, horrendesly ridiculas but most definatly funny. would they insta pop the tower if they all DD'd the tower?
U dont really see all the super carriers for the titans but they are there. Not to get too side tracked but EVE is blob. The end game for EVE is high sec mission farming and this and yes, the POS pretty much got alpha scorched. |
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NinjaSpud
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Posted - 2011.06.01 01:57:00 -
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Originally by: Alara IonStorm
defends herself
OMG that is totally my bad, I completely mistook you for the OP. (its the white hair)
Now, seeing as your aren't op, I see the sarcasm...I...I got nothing lol I was in the wrong and not paying attention.
Originally by: Alara IonStorm
Please do not confuse me with the OP again.
Apology Accepted (Not Sarcastically, thought I would need to mention that based on Experience.)
LOL this is me
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Cyprus Black
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2011.06.01 02:03:00 -
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Edited by: Cyprus Black on 01/06/2011 02:04:38
Originally by: Claska So why, do you ruin good fights by blobing?
Blobs are the natural evolution of PvP in EvE.
This is a game where number of ships are stronger than types of ships. Five players in frigates are more powerful than one player in a battleship.
There is also safety in numbers. The more people fighting on your side means your opponent(s) go down quicker and are less likely to kill you or your friends.
With these two lines of logic, it's easy to see how the blobbing gets out of hand. If your enemy comes with friends, your only options are to run/hide/die or bring more friends. Your enemy will in turn bring more of his friends to achieve his sought victory. You counter by bringing even more friends. So on and so forth until someone emerges as the victor or the node crashes.
Now lets look at the anti-blob tools available: Smartbombs: Range and damage fall short of any usefulness. Stealth Bombers: Moderately effective against T1 cruisers and below. However a blob of SB's is necessary to take on a blob of opponents so the same problem remains. T2 ships are annoyingly resilient against multiple bombs. Doomsday weapon: No longer an anti-blob weapon. AoE ECM Module: lol really?
And that's about it. The current anti-blob tools at the players disposal are dismal and ineffective. That's why blobs escalate out of control. That's also why blobbing is so common, the tactic works and wins fights. _____________________________________
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Uuali
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Posted - 2011.06.01 02:10:00 -
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Edited by: Uuali on 01/06/2011 02:11:26
"plus it makes you look cowardly, it shows that you couldn't win a fight on even standings"
You hit the nail on the head right there. And the people whom you refer to in your post are the exact same bozos that will reply with r e t a r d e d comebacks in this forum.
This is why I gave up on PVP a long time ago and just make money off these morons.
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Flesh Slurper
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.01 02:19:00 -
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In PVP, the looser always uses the excuse that they were "blobbed" and the winner says they got a "good fight" regardless of what actually happened.
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Wen Jaibao
Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2011.06.01 02:21:00 -
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Originally by: Anddeh McNab Because PvP in EVE is so very visceral, dying in EVE has alot more servere consequences than your elf falling over in other games. So with more at stake people will only engage if they think they can win, or they're idiots.
Idiot reporting in for fun times.
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Mal Mandrake
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.01 03:11:00 -
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Blobs might be annoying, but really, it is a multiplayer game. If someone in a multiplayer game decides to team up with several other players to roam then it should not be frowned upon. Losing to a blob sucks, but that is the risk you take for those increased rewards in lowsec right? If this blob couldn't happen then it may as well be high sec.
I prefer small gang and solo pvp myself, but those are just niches of pvp, as is blobbing. You should be careful and look over your shoulder when walking down a lowsec alley, you never know when a gang will pop out and gank you. If I see a large number of pilots enter a low sec system I for one GTFO or at least increase my attention to coms and d-scan. If you have a corp or alliance also check out your intel channel.
-Mal
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Zverofaust
Gallente Incompertus INC Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.06.01 03:27:00 -
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I usually don't reply in **** threads but this thread is so absolutely **** I felt compelled to against my will, just to tell you all that I literally hate every single one of you.
To the OP; you got ****ing rocked get over it. I wish I killed more people like you so I could sit back and watch hours of infinite whining. Also I hope you got podded and your future children die of cancer.
If you don't like it, don't go to lowsec alone you stupid ignorant bastard. Complaining about it isn't going to accomplish **** all.
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Skydell
Caldari Morrigna Order
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Posted - 2011.06.01 03:34:00 -
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Originally by: Zverofaust I usually don't reply in **** threads but this thread is so absolutely **** I felt compelled to against my will, just to tell you all that I literally hate every single one of you.
To the OP; you got ****ing rocked get over it. I wish I killed more people like you so I could sit back and watch hours of infinite whining. Also I hope you got podded and your future children die of cancer.
If you don't like it, don't go to lowsec alone you stupid ignorant bastard. Complaining about it isn't going to accomplish **** all.
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Hesperius
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Posted - 2011.06.01 03:44:00 -
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Am I reading your alliance name right? Dragoons. The same Dragoons. that is an EM pet? The same Dragoons. who brought in 30-40 people to fight 4 of us and never fights without 2:1 odds in their favor?
This has to be some sort of mixup.
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Sylvyrr
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Posted - 2011.06.01 03:47:00 -
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Originally by: Claska So then why bother to even play? if your going to do things that take the fun out of playing, why bother? Seriously, eve is a game, you play it to have fun, in other words people who blob are paying to do boring things? Eve has always been about interesting stories, and fun fights, If you would rather blob so you can win instead of having a fun time with a challanging fight then play somthing else, it's ruining the fun of the game and will kill solo pvp, or at the very least make it super hard to do it so that it's almost not worth doing.
What if the people in the blobs have fun killing lone ships in space . . . ?
Kinda throws your whole argument off.
My bit of low sec flying I've done was blob vs loners or small groups and it was a blast.
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