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Kell Tarhun
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Posted - 2011.05.18 08:20:00 -
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Allow me to retore: - there is already high income steam made by players by bots and transfered since they appeard in game in so many ways that ccp got no chance to track it. Thats my personal opinion. Not enaugh human sources i belive. It takes time to track and not harm someone inocent havin no relation with isk frauds. Check forums and seatch treads made by players who propably were hurt in this "witch hunt"
- bots as forbidden ganerate isk even now when i write and i belive statisticly they are part of market system even if most of you afraid to accept that.
- Eve is pvp/pve however consider that lag created while huge fights has not been solved since begginin of this game which is major flow. CCP workin on improvin it - well lets have our hope in concord. Since Concord appeat i personally suggest 20 vs 20 fights with bigger numbers won't give you satisfaction as lag takes it all.
- I think i am already in hell :> as a replay to all personal direct opinions.
- I am not afraid of constructive conversation in forum about this bot issue. Thats what forums are for. Yes i am definitly for idea of legalizing as i see no point putting human resources (ccp) into fight with crime syndicate (pirates). I expect those who use bots not even make a single post in this thread to not take atention of ccp. I belive they are smart :> Propably easier way to eliminate me is just transfer isk from bot account to make ccp banish me, however i belive in ccp honest investigation if that happens.
Why legalize: - those guys who track bot activity could be used in many ways to improve this game by adding and fixing existing game flows.
- as some of you mentioned those who decide to use bots know that they are doing something wrong. Actually you need to put some effort to establish everything to be working. I call those players 'dark side of eve" They are doing something forbiden however isn't Slavery accepted by Amarr goverment. Sansha are pirates. They organise incursion vs whole Eve universe with mission of destruction.
Moral side of bots: some sayz they are "good" or "bad". Does it matter - we are Gods to decide about that in this game. Those who use them got extra pleasure of doing sth forbidden. Yes there is punishment wchich makes it propably even more interesting as there is reward in direct isk flow. Of course it should be deleted but i doubt all forbiden activities are punished.
- i suggest puttin adidtionall option to put next to your history like: "i use bots" so everyone knew if player they are speakin with is using them and playing artificial inteligence Eve (so legalizing it, no consequences to those players) and track activities and punish those who try to hide that.
- I belive FC's, Corporation alliance directors, diplomats who play eve more in social way should have possibility to use bot profit side and focus on what they are doing and not to worry about isk side of their existance
- Bots are conected with forbidden activities and those are majory accepted with true pirates. Besides pirate by definition got no respect to rules. Thats why eveyone fear them. So instead chasing predators how about legalize bots and put human resources into ways to actually change the game.
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UberDeathDealer
Steel Fleet Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2011.05.18 08:28:00 -
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Edited by: UberDeathDealer on 18/05/2011 08:29:01
Originally by: Kell Tarhun blah blah blah blah......Legalize Bots
GET OUT NOW!
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente Panta-Rhei Butterfly Effect Alliance
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Posted - 2011.05.18 08:38:00 -
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I will most certainly cancel all accounts and never return to this or any other CCP game if bots get legalised.
Quote: Disclaimer: All mentioned above contains my opinion and is therefore an absolute truth (for me anyway, my universe, muhahaha.....ok, done
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Shawnm339
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Posted - 2011.05.18 08:44:00 -
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Originally by: Mithrasith Sure - and then what we can do is have CCP create a game client that, after you log-in (because you still have to do that part of it), just plays the game by itself, and requires NO human interaction!
Wouldnt that be sweet? It will do the entire thing for you, simulated 0.0 wars, mine everything for you, buy the nicest ships your bot can afford, fit them, do some pvp, and you, the player can walk by the monitor every once in a while and see how your Bot character, and Bot corp and Bot alliance is faring in the great EVEBot game!
Sounds like fun eh?
That sounds something like a Tamagotchi...my sister had one she forgot to feed it and it died
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Cpt Arareb
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.05.18 09:49:00 -
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read my signature.. all will be clear! BOTS ARE RUINING THIS GAME |
Azhpol
Gallente Casa Del Wombat
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Posted - 2011.05.18 10:15:00 -
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Edited by: Azhpol on 18/05/2011 10:16:27 Opening statement: Hells No.
However, if you want to know what would happen, find a BBS that is running MajorMud. MajorMud was a premade MUD that they sold for BBS systems. Every copy was the same, and it was heavily pvp oriented(limited numbers of the high end gear, meaning if you wanted the best you had to take it from another player).
When the game was launched it was designed with 1 character per player, with that player at keys, but was almost immediately scripted to death. The developers responded by retuning the game so you HAD to script it to compete(the numbers involved in leveling and buying things were too insanely high otherwise) and started selling a premade script that was easy to set up to emulate almost any playstyle, and was designed to communicate with other running instances of itself to organize a while party. Last time I played that game, PvP consisted of setting your script to roam the same area your target had his script to, and hoping your script was configured to kill his before it gave up on winning and disconnected to save itself.
Kinda fun. but never felt like pvp, and definitely no adrenaline :P
Edit, if you want to play a game like that, check this out... its even a free game! ----------------------------------------------- I don't post on an alt, I post on my forum main! |
Loraine Gess
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Posted - 2011.05.18 10:18:00 -
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Originally by: Kell Tarhun Cmon guys relase kraken.
We all play this game in less or wildy inappropriate way. There is game mechanic that allows huge variety of player stubbing activities Considering those thing are allowed: - narcotics and boosters - stealing assets from corps and assets (just watch one of many officiall ccp videos) - whole propaganda of Eve for best pvp, pve (dominion trailer) - massive spamming in trade hubs that support market transaction - ways to fix 0.0 for example nerfind anomalies to convince pirates to be in high sec - reducing mining as profession not to mention mission runners. Do they still exist?
Considering all those. Why not just legalize bots and make us focus what we like most in this game. Announce official tools to make it more open source and make players decide how they spend their time in Eve. What you think about that?
Stealth COAD thread detected
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El'Niaga
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.05.18 10:37:00 -
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One has to consider the time devoted to finding and eradicating bots and the benefits gained thereof. Most games don't seriously go after them because well its overly expensive and has little benefit as usually they are back within a few days and another account.
Some folks think magically more 'humans' will suddenly mine if the bots are gone...its not going to happen. Mining ships have to small of cargoholds and especially for ice mining far to long a cycle time to keep most 'humans' occupied. Some still enjoy doing those things just like some folks find fishing relaxing some find ice mining relaxing, but the vast majority do not.
If you want to kill the bots you've got to be able to hold the humans attention. I mean seriously the mackinaw can't even hold 2 full cycles of its ice harvestors? That's poor design. You want more humans doing it you need holds that can hold at least a half hours worth of work on the exhumers and mining barges. Decreasing cycle timers is another issue you'd have to address.
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Rellik B00n
Lethal Death Squad
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Posted - 2011.05.18 11:06:00 -
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The decriminalisation of all drugs is an incredibly positive thing but idiots (in the face of all logic) will always argue against it. It is a generally accepted fact that the 'war on drugs' can never be won whilst there is a profit to be made by bad men.
The same applies to botting however the important point here is that due to the enclosed nature of the game CCP can win the 'war on bots.' - namely because they are not dealing with an entire world of drug taking/selling people but a small section within a game of fixed rules.
if i felt CCP could not win their own war I would back legalizing bots 100% but in this instance I think they can do it so no - no legalized bots. . -IRON MIKE IS hi sec lolwarrior- |
Medarr
Amarr Vengance Inc. Wayfarer Stellar Initiative
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Posted - 2011.05.18 11:08:00 -
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Originally by: RaTTuS End yourself!
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Scarlet des Loupes
Gallente University of Caille
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Posted - 2011.05.18 12:29:00 -
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Originally by: Bumblefck
Originally by: Illwill Bill Bots are already legal; it's just that they violate CCP's EULA, and thus you will be banned for using them.
The things you mentioned are all permitted according to the EULA, thus you will not be banned to choosing those paths.
So they are illegal then?
It's as illegal as stealing monopoly money while playing - there's no national laws against it, it's just against the game rules.
Rent-a-bot like in other games, why not? Just make their mining rate 20% of manually botting.
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Miso Hawnee
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Posted - 2011.05.18 12:47:00 -
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0 / 10
The OP does make a strong case for post third trimester abortion.
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Apollo Gabriel
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2011.05.18 14:05:00 -
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OP,
If bots were legal, then everyone would have a steady passive income stream at the cost of server load. Shouldn't CCP just dole out extra isk to all players? But if they did, inflation would eat it up immediately, and we'd be back where we were. Please, play the game, make your isk, shoot your guns, nothing more is needed.
AG
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Aeronwen Carys
Empire of Dust
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Posted - 2011.05.18 14:16:00 -
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Oooh I know what this thread reminds me of. One of those insane world records where they see how many people can fit in a mini, or a phone booth. Only this time its "how many dipsticks can we fit in a thread?"
This is one record attempt I can't wait to see the outcome of.
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Azhpol
Gallente Casa Del Wombat
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Posted - 2011.05.18 18:42:00 -
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Originally by: Aeronwen Carys Oooh I know what this thread reminds me of. One of those insane world records where they see how many people can fit in a mini, or a phone booth. Only this time its "how many dipsticks can we fit in a thread?"
This is one record attempt I can't wait to see the outcome of.
Thanks for your contribution ----------------------------------------------- I don't post on an alt, I post on my forum main! |
Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.05.18 18:57:00 -
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0/10 troll, don't care how many replies it got. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
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Ranger 1
Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.05.18 19:35:00 -
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Quote: Some folks think magically more 'humans' will suddenly mine if the bots are gone...its not going to happen. Mining ships have to small of cargoholds and especially for ice mining far to long a cycle time to keep most 'humans' occupied. Some still enjoy doing those things just like some folks find fishing relaxing some find ice mining relaxing, but the vast majority do not.
You DO realize that fishing is one of the most popular recreational activities in the world right? RIGHT? ===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction. |
Vincent Athena
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Posted - 2011.05.18 20:59:00 -
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More FUD from the botters.....
Ive been watching the prices in Jita. So far mineral prices are dropping. From all the bot rage we are seeing, CCP is killing them, so why the price drop? Well, botters use the isk they acquire to buy stuff. And that stuff is made...wait for it.... with minerals! Killing bots reduces demand.
A mining bot most likely increases the supply of minerals more than demand. But all other bot types, ratters, ice miners, traders, mission runners, add little or no minerals, but do add to demand. So far the reduction in demand seems to be the bigger effect.
Now ice mining: removal of bot buying power does little to reduce the demand for ice, but removal of ice bots reduces supply. The result is ice has gone up 30% in the last 2 months. Its almost reasonable for a human to mine ice now. I expect more miners will move from ore to ice as a result. Also if ore starts going up, players will in general move from missions to mining.
The entire eve economy appears quite robust, and is taking these changes just fine.
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Outouchmatralala
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Posted - 2011.05.18 22:27:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher Jones 0/10 troll, don't care how many replies it got.
YOU CANNOT DENY HIM THE RESULTS. 5/10
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Katra Novac
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Posted - 2011.05.19 00:46:00 -
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Originally by: Gothikia There is one way to let us fix this... allow us to wardec NPC corps
Lol, that won't solve anything. All that will happen is either people would leave the game or hundreds of new single player corps would be created, likely to be a combination of both.
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CCP Navigator
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.05.19 12:59:00 -
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CCP Sreegs' head exploded when this thread was posted so i am locking this in his memory.
Navigator Lead Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online
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