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Hashur Vallen
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Posted - 2011.05.14 15:30:00 -
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Howdy gents, I have a Orca, a Dominix, and a Hulk. I use the orca for corp ops from time to time, and the dominix to run missions. However my 183 million Hulk gathers dust in the hangar, I enjoy mining alright, but plain and simple if I took the 2 hour runs I take at mining and devoted it to missioning I'd get more ISK.
Should I sell the Hulk and just take the role of mining director as a pimped out jet can with a Orca? : (
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Johnny Enaluri
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Posted - 2011.05.14 16:49:00 -
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Prior to the Noctis the Orca and it's tractor beam bonus was a pimp way to salvage your missions. Just toss a salvage Dessie in ship bay, then pull everything in close and loot. Pop the dessie out and salvage away.
Just always remember to target lock your Ocra..
As for the Hulk.. umm perhaps someday they will be useful to non bots, but who knows when that will be.
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Greg Huff
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Posted - 2011.05.14 17:13:00 -
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Originally by: Hashur Vallen Should I sell the Hulk and just take the role of mining director as a pimped out jet can with a Orca? : (
Yes, but you already knew that before you asked.
Mining isn't something people do for an isk/hr activity. There's way too many other ways to make more. People mine because they enjoy it.
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Cobalt Sablestar Icefluxor
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.05.14 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: Greg Huff
Mining isn't something people do for an isk/hr activity. There's way too many other ways to make more. People mine because they NEED MINERALS TO MAKE SHIPS AND MODULES THAT YOU BUY.
Fixed that thar fer ya.
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"I can not tell you what particular weapon will be used in World War III, but I can tell you what will be used in World War IV. Rocks." - Albert Einstein |
Cobalt Sablestar Icefluxor
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.05.14 17:52:00 -
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Originally by: Johnny Enaluri Pop the dessie out and salvage away.
Leaving an Orca AFK to salvage is one of the Top 10 Idiotic Things to do in EVE. ************
"I can not tell you what particular weapon will be used in World War III, but I can tell you what will be used in World War IV. Rocks." - Albert Einstein |
Cobalt Sablestar Icefluxor
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.05.14 18:02:00 -
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Beyond getting through the disinformation passed onto you by the above posters, you need to decide if you want to focus on being a Mission Runner/Orca Pilot, or a Mission Runner/ Miner. Probably more ISK in running Missions and relying on other Corp member's Orca Boosts while you are mining. IF you aren't getting ISK for providing those boosts, I'd trash the Orca.
Although if you put on a Large Anciliary Current Router I rig on the Orca, you can fit a 100mn MWD and have an instant really fast mini-Freighter with guaranteed 10 seconds to warp from any gate or point in space. That's what I use mine for 1/2 the time. ISK by hauling.
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"I can not tell you what particular weapon will be used in World War III, but I can tell you what will be used in World War IV. Rocks." - Albert Einstein |
Kethas Protagonist
Protagonist Ventures
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Posted - 2011.05.14 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: Cobalt Sablestar Icefluxor
Originally by: Greg Huff
Mining isn't something people do for an isk/hr activity. There's way too many other ways to make more. People mine because they NEED MINERALS TO MAKE SHIPS AND MODULES THAT YOU BUY.
Fixed that thar fer ya.
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TravisWB
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Posted - 2011.05.14 22:40:00 -
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Sell the Orca to your corp and then fly it for them on a contract basis as in you get something for flying it during mining ops.
Individuals should never have an Orca unless they have at least 2 additional alts to fly Hulks fitted with dual mining laser booster II. An Orca actually needs 3 boosted Hulks and a Mindlink Mining Director in the Orca to justify the 400 mil isk jetcan.
Why anybody buys an Orca otherwise I just don't get it.
Orcas are corp level items, like a pos.
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Melkath Bandrom
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.05.14 22:42:00 -
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Edited by: Melkath Bandrom on 14/05/2011 22:44:42 Keep your Orca, get the Mining Director Implant.
Upscale
Depending on how much you play the game, I would see about maybe starting another 2 accounts. Train or buy hulk miners on them and use the Orca as your booster. Mining an hour a day can make you enough isk per month to pay for 2 plex's. If you're online for 3 hours a day, use the other 2 hours for pvp/pve station spinning etc or whatever excites your podgoo.
I have 3 accounts and I mine roughly 1 hour a day. That is about what it takes to fill my orca with 2 hulks. I do that roughly 20 days a month and I have more then enough isk to buy 2 plex's for my mining accounts and have enough left over to fund my other activities. My regular ingame time when I'm really into the game is about 3 hours a day. 1 hour mining, 1-2 hrs mission running. I play usually about 20-25 days a month so I dont burn out on the game.
A lot of pilots dont like mining as they think that if you mine, it has to be your PRIMARY isk earner, that you HAVE to sit and drill rocks 15hrs a day to make any profit. It doesn't have to be. It's designed to be one of many different ways to earn isk, not the ONLY way. If you own a hulk, you DONT have to be a miner 100% of the time. Do other stuff. Don't get stuck in a rut being ONLY a mission runner OR a miner OR a PvP'er OR a Trade/market career follower. Spice it up.
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Vierego
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Posted - 2011.05.15 00:14:00 -
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Originally by: TravisWB Sell the Orca to your corp and then fly it for them on a contract basis as in you get something for flying it during mining ops.
Individuals should never have an Orca unless they have at least 2 additional alts to fly Hulks fitted with dual mining laser booster II. An Orca actually needs 3 boosted Hulks and a Mindlink Mining Director in the Orca to justify the 400 mil isk jetcan.
Why anybody buys an Orca otherwise I just don't get it.
Orcas are corp level items, like a pos.
Pure laziness/ shiny toys/safe cargo.
I'm lazy I'd rather have 1 hulk 1 orca vs 2 hulks even if profit is less as it means less effort. Also then you can use the orca as a safer way to afk haul mineral compressed 425's. I buy mission loot in bulk at above buy order prices! (sinq laison) |
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Gaius Clabbacus
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Posted - 2011.05.15 08:17:00 -
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Originally by: Cobalt Sablestar Icefluxor
Originally by: Greg Huff
Mining isn't something people do for an isk/hr activity. There's way too many other ways to make more. People mine because they NEED MINERALS TO MAKE SHIPS AND MODULES THAT YOU BUY.
Fixed that thar fer ya.
I heard that EVE has a player driven market where a manufacturer can buy minerals and other construction materials needed to build ships. Can someone confirm or deny this rumor?
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Greg Huff
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Posted - 2011.05.15 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: Gaius Clabbacus
Originally by: Cobalt Sablestar Icefluxor
Originally by: Greg Huff
Mining isn't something people do for an isk/hr activity. There's way too many other ways to make more. People mine because they NEED MINERALS TO MAKE SHIPS AND MODULES THAT YOU BUY.
I twisted that thar fer ya.
I heard that EVE has a player driven market where a manufacturer can buy minerals and other construction materials needed to build ships. Can someone confirm or deny this rumor?
I have heard the same rumor and decided to investigate. In my travels I found this quite little system called... hmm... I think it was JITA... and minerals were quite cheap.
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Souris Blanche
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Posted - 2011.05.15 12:08:00 -
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Sell the Hulk, Sell the Dominix, Keep Orca.
Buy Tengu, Buy Noctis, Put Tengu and Noctis in Orca Ship Bay, Put Ammo in Orca Corp Hangar.
Continue to mission, don't ever admit to anyone that you used to mine.
This way you have a portable mission base and great hauler to take the loot, salvage items, and minerals from reprocessed loot to wherever you sell everything.
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Kesshisan
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.05.15 18:04:00 -
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If you can afford to fly the Orca, you can afford to buy a Noctis.
Train up to Ore Industrial III and fit your Noctis with a 10MN MWD. That should give you close to the same rate of salvaging that you had with an Orca + Dessy while risking less isk.
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Cobalt Sablestar Icefluxor
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.05.15 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Greg Huff I have heard the same rumor and decided to investigate. In my travels I found this quite little system called... hmm... I think it was JITA... and minerals were quite cheap.
I do not believe the minerals just magically appear for you in Jita when you need to purchase them. Do I REALLY have to inform you that someone did indeed mine them ? Do you even know how this game works?
Probably not as I'm obviously just spouting off to a forum troll. NVM. ************
"I can not tell you what particular weapon will be used in World War III, but I can tell you what will be used in World War IV. Rocks." - Albert Einstein |
Rohnda
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Posted - 2011.05.15 19:57:00 -
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Pretty much same as the above, except the guy saying sell your orca to the corp, sure if they want to do it that way it could be a nice way for you to unload it, But orca's are THE safest way to transport stuff in empire and on top of that you get all the extra benefitts it has :) (Corp/maintainance hangars unscannable<3)
Also your using the Orca to salvage? Stop that, Sell your hulk, as mining is not a proffitable source of income unless you got the orca + 2 hulk pilots as people mentioned, But again only viable if you are semi afk/kinda busy as mining is alot more forgiving isk/hr wise than say missions. With the proceeds from the orca, Buy ore industrial skill, train to level 3 and buy a Noctis.
The orca may have sweet Tractor range and speed, But at level 3 you can allready tractor out to 56 km with the noctis(you shouldent need longer unless your doing something wrong, which you are anyway )and it will be pulling wrecks in faster than the orca. + no leaving the orca in space to salvage at a decent rate.
a little side tip regarding missions, you might want to head over to eve search and search for "blitzing"
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Gaius Clabbacus
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Posted - 2011.05.15 21:13:00 -
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Originally by: Cobalt Sablestar Icefluxor
Originally by: Greg Huff I have heard the same rumor and decided to investigate. In my travels I found this quite little system called... hmm... I think it was JITA... and minerals were quite cheap.
I do not believe the minerals just magically appear for you in Jita when you need to purchase them. Do I REALLY have to inform you that someone did indeed mine them ? Do you even know how this game works?
I'm obviously just a forum troll. NVM.
FYP.
People mine because they have deemed it the activity that gives them most fun in the game, or because they acquired a mining bot (rather then a ratting bot). As long as there are at least some people mining (or shooting drones) a manufacturer doesn't have to mine himself, hence your original statement is false.
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Destamon
Azure Freelancers
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Posted - 2011.05.15 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: Melkath Bandrom
I have 3 accounts and I mine roughly 1 hour a day. That is about what it takes to fill my orca with 2 hulks. I do that roughly 20 days a month and I have more then enough isk to buy 2 plex's for my mining accounts and have enough left over to fund my other activities. My regular ingame time when I'm really into the game is about 3 hours a day. 1 hour mining, 1-2 hrs mission running. I play usually about 20-25 days a month so I dont burn out on the game.
I'm kind of missing the logic here. You got two extra accounts and now you have to spend an hour a day in order to mine just enough to buy PLEX to support them. What exactly have you gained, apart from a one hour mining debt every day?
Let's say that instead of getting those accounts and mining, you just have your main account and run missions for one hour every day. Assuming a very low income of 25 mil an hour (in reality much higher), you can pay for a PLEX and still have 370 million left over for your enjoyment/PVP/projects/whatever.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.05.16 00:36:00 -
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Originally by: Cobalt Sablestar Icefluxor
Originally by: Greg Huff I have heard the same rumor and decided to investigate. In my travels I found this quite little system called... hmm... I think it was JITA... and minerals were quite cheap.
I do not believe the minerals just magically appear for you in Jita when you need to purchase them. Do I REALLY have to inform you that someone did indeed mine them ? Do you even know how this game works?
Well, let's see. Farmer A likes to grow cereal on his average-sized 500 acre farm. He works like mad all year round, and at the end of the year, after expenses (around 220$/acre), he's selling his average harvest (40 bushels/acre at 9$/bushel) and looking at maybe 70k USD profit, if he's lucky. Farmer B however has a tiny, tiny plot, but he doesn't care, he wants to raise chickens. He has a building that doesn't even cover a single acre, and just a few acres of semi-free-range, but he's raising over 10k chickens at any given time there, yielding on average 20 tons of meat every 2 months at a total cost of 30k USD and a sales price of 40k USD, making 120k USD profit per year. For some reason though, there's far more the likes of "farmer A" than there is the likes of "farmer B", even if it's obvious that farmer B makes more money with about as much work but on a much smaller land.
The analogy would be "farmer A" are miners, and "farmer B" are, well, almost anything else. As long as too many people mine too many minerals, mineral prices will be low and mining profit will be shabby, but for some reason, some people still keep doing it instead of doing something else.
If you want minerals, just buy them from the danged miners who sell'em dirt-cheap. If you want to make a lot of ISK fast, don't bother with mining.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2011.05.16 03:13:00 -
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Originally by: Cobalt Sablestar Icefluxor I do not believe the minerals just magically appear for you in Jita when you need to purchase them. à Do you even know how this game works?
For all intents and purposes, the minerals in Jita appear as if by magic. You don't need to understand the supply chain in order to buy the product. Do you understand all the machinations behind the market in Jita?
As a programmer, I am paid $80k pa. I go to the supermarket, and what do you know? There is slaughtered, dressed, butchered, cleaned and packaged chicken in the fridge! It is like magic!
As a chicken farmer, I earn $50k pa for raising, slaughtering, dressing, butchering, cleaning, packaging and delivering chicken to the local supermarket chain.
Given the choice between these two professions, which would you choose?
Now what if you found life as a programmer was bad for your health (always sitting, living in a polluted city, spending the best part of the day indoors, high cost of living), but life on the farm raising Organic free-range chickens was almost paradise? Are you gaining utility from the chicken farming profession? Is that utility worth the sacrifice of $30k pa?
The only reason that one would mine their own minerals is because they value the time taken to mine the required minerals at less than the ISK and time required to purchase the minerals from Jita. Some examples would be people whose daytime jobs are particularly stressful, and find the process of mining in game particularly relaxing. Try it sometime - the soft noises, pulsating lights and slowly rotating asteroids are in fact quite hypnotic. In such a situation, one might actually value the time spent mining as negative ISK (you would be willing to pay for it), since they are gaining some utility from the experience (one hour of mining versus a dose of Valium or a bottle of wine). For them, the fact that the minerals have any ISK value is a bonus.
Capsuleers looking to make ISK should keep in mind that when mining for an income, you are competing against people who value their time significantly less than your own.
In the meantime, rejoice in the fact that the market is magically populated with all the resources youmneed for manufacturing and invention. The cornucopia is a little short on Technetium, but what would be the value of anything if everything was available in limitless quantities?
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Melkath Bandrom
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.05.16 03:22:00 -
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Originally by: Destamon
Originally by: Melkath Bandrom
I have 3 accounts and I mine roughly 1 hour a day. That is about what it takes to fill my orca with 2 hulks. I do that roughly 20 days a month and I have more then enough isk to buy 2 plex's for my mining accounts and have enough left over to fund my other activities. My regular ingame time when I'm really into the game is about 3 hours a day. 1 hour mining, 1-2 hrs mission running. I play usually about 20-25 days a month so I dont burn out on the game.
I'm kind of missing the logic here. You got two extra accounts and now you have to spend an hour a day in order to mine just enough to buy PLEX to support them. What exactly have you gained, apart from a one hour mining debt every day?
Let's say that instead of getting those accounts and mining, you just have your main account and run missions for one hour every day. Assuming a very low income of 25 mil an hour (in reality much higher), you can pay for a PLEX and still have 370 million left over for your enjoyment/PVP/projects/whatever.
I am well aware of what you're saying. I suppose I didn't go on to explain that my extra 2 mining characters are also my R&D specialists, PI toons and occasional missioners. I only posted their mining activities as an example of what to do with an extra account or 2 to begin making isk.
Personally I DESPISE missioning. I missioned long enough to get standings with a few R&D NPC corps. I trained up the various research based skills and now I also have a tidy passive income from Datacore sales. I also have my PI isk coming in. I have my PI set so i only have to check them every few days. I cash in my R&D points once a month.
While I'm letting these characters earn some Isk by just really being in existence with no other work then occasional mining, I go play on my main character doing pvp or whatnot. Sometimes I dont log in for days. I don't worry about the isk because it just keeps rolling in passively. That helps a lot with my Plex earnings. My passive income, just to note, isn't enough to fund PLEX by itself but it sure helps with the overall profit margin. If I removed all of my passive income even so, just the mining for an hour or so a day still makes enough to pay for the PLEX
As i stated my original post, Theres is a LOT of different things to do to make isk and NOT get locked into a single career to make a few isk scraps. That is what a lot of people do. Thats why they burn out, get discouraged or bored and leave the game. It took me a while to build up my characters to where they are both skills and standings wise but now I don't have to worry about burnout. Variety fixes that. It's worth it to get the extra few accounts and it's easy enough to make the isk to PLEX them. And it gets easier as time goes by with better skills and standings
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Zag'mar Jurkar
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Posted - 2011.05.16 04:08:00 -
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Edited by: Zag''mar Jurkar on 16/05/2011 04:08:49 I am a miner, and I am doing it because it is relaxing, and it let me do other things while making ISKs, even minimal. I am a stressed person and starting to hear the noise of my shield going low stress me, not that I don't mission time to time, but I'm surely mining from the purpose of it being stress-free.
Now what you deem being the best thing to do for a person is your personal opinion, tho.
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Scorpii Orion
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Posted - 2011.05.16 06:31:00 -
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Edited by: Scorpii Orion on 16/05/2011 06:32:34 Mission runners often reprocess all their loot and just toss it into buy orders, and in some point it was 40% from total mineral flow. So it's not always the fools who think that minerals they mine, are free without value.
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Mutt Greaser
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Posted - 2011.05.16 17:29:00 -
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I am a few days from buying my first Orca. And yes I do mine. I mine not because it is good money but because it is safe money and in high sec I can go AFK at any time and not come back to a pod on my screen. I have a two year old boy and a new born baby girl at home, when one of them starts crying I stop what I am doing to attend to my real life priorities, you know the things in life that are actually important. I tried ratting for a while before my daughter was born and yes it is very good money if you can find a good spot to rat in. there is no good ratting in high sec but level 4-5 missions are really good isk if you loot and salvage everything. A level 4 mission that offers 2 mil reward usually has 15-20 mil or more in loot and salvage. Considering you can run and salvage a level 4 in about 20 min it is much better income than mining, but in a mission or ratting you can't just go afk every time your child crys or gets into something they are not supposed to be into.
So there will always be people like me that mine for the isk, even though there are other higher isk things to do. mining when set up right, especially in high sec, is very safe compared to the other options. I even no players that semi afk mine while at work. if fact one of the guys in my mains corp has 4 accounts and is afk mining right now at work. he makes about 50 mil an hour, mostly afk, or at least multitasking while working.
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grumpyguts1
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Posted - 2011.05.17 00:11:00 -
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I hate mining.. but when I work from home once or twice a week, I have my orca and 2 hulk atlt's(specially trained for this btw)go about their business while I work, occasionally dragging ore around and docking the Orca to empty it. So in one of those days I get 10-12 orca loads of ore(that's around 40 mil units of trit plus other minerals), which I use to make stuff and sell. My mains are missioners and do WH stuff, but can't use them while working, so this alternative gives a nice little boost to my eve income and I have not lost any of my main eve play time.... Its not what you do but how you do it that makes this game so addictive..... and there is a lot I still need to try....
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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2011.05.17 11:01:00 -
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This is always the way it's been.. Just be glad you don't have a 500 million isk hulk gathering dust in your hanger like some people have.
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2011.05.17 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: Barbara Nichole This is always the way it's been.. Just be glad you don't have a 500 million isk hulk gathering dust in your hanger like some people have.
That's me.
For some reason I am interested in doing mining missions now.
-- Mr. Science & Trade Institute - EVE Lorebook - Mysteries of W-space |
Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.05.18 14:45:00 -
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mine arkonor and you'll make enough money to compete with your mission domi. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
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Dorian Wylde
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Posted - 2011.05.18 15:05:00 -
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Originally by: TravisWB Sell the Orca to your corp and then fly it for them on a contract basis as in you get something for flying it during mining ops.
Individuals should never have an Orca unless they have at least 2 additional alts to fly Hulks fitted with dual mining laser booster II. An Orca actually needs 3 boosted Hulks and a Mindlink Mining Director in the Orca to justify the 400 mil isk jetcan.
Why anybody buys an Orca otherwise I just don't get it.
Orcas are corp level items, like a pos.
2hulks + orca mine the same amount as 3 hulks, assuming all max skills. Since very few people have industrial command 5 and warfare link specialist 5 though, you would need 3.
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Kalseti
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Posted - 2011.05.18 15:24:00 -
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Silly miners....orcas are for holding my goodies at the pos in a wh ... and for closing my C3 Static after we strip it.
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