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Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris Etherium Cartel
43
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Posted - 2011.09.26 22:14:00 -
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Hello All,
I know that I would be interested in doing more pvp in a "controlled" environment, as in 2 v 2, 3 v3, etc. The idea has been proposed many times that CCP do this, however, we all know that won't happen (some argue vociferously that it is anti-sandbox).
I am looking for interest primarily, my thoughts would be we do a ladder style system, pilots put down a deposit, locations are kept as secret as possible, for obvious reasons. Anyone found "cheating" loses their deposit, is ineligible for future events, etc. Clearly MANY terms need to be defined.
Why not just go to low sec? cause I feed pirates enough as it is already.
Will there be many ways for people to make it fail? sure there will.
Is it possible to have a lot of fun trying to make it work? Absolutely.
So if you're interested, please post here and let me know. I'll "like" your post so you know I've added your name to my list.
If you hate the idea, and think it and/or I am stupid for suggesting it, please let me know through your silence,
Best AG
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Jude Lloyd
Heretic Army
126
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Posted - 2011.09.26 22:35:00 -
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If you make a safe-spot in the center of a planet, there is a giant white ring floating around you in space. It makes for a great 1v1 spot.  Heretic Army CEO Host of Frigfry Fridays
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Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris Etherium Cartel
43
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Posted - 2011.09.26 23:54:00 -
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Heh great idea. |

KFenn
Percussive Diplomacy
3
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Posted - 2011.09.27 00:16:00 -
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Hmmmm... it's an interesting idea if nothing else. Problem is, as soon as you advertise something like this there's gonna be a bunch of people who turn up simply for nothing more than the pleasure of pissing on your bonfire.
If it works, could be fun, but will it work? More than likely no. Commanding Officer of the Treacle Tart Brigade SLAPD Director |

Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris Etherium Cartel
43
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Posted - 2011.09.27 02:19:00 -
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My thought is that the location would be dynamic, and the matches "invite only" meaning, you get asked if on night X, you can be within Y jumps of Jita (or other location). Then 15 mins before your match you get your location, if you bring others, you don't get invited back.
There are many ways it could be done, including JCs (although the 24 hr headache is pita). My other thought is to do it in C1 whs, all combatants enter without scan probe launcher, and then the hole is closed. That could provide the security needed.
AG |

sukmanobov
The Priesthood The 0rphanage
3
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Posted - 2011.09.27 02:52:00 -
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Apollo Gabriel wrote:Hello All,
I know that I would be interested in doing more pvp in a "controlled" environment, as in 2 v 2, 3 v3, etc. The idea has been proposed many times that CCP do this, however, we all know that won't happen (some argue vociferously that it is anti-sandbox).
I am looking for interest primarily, my thoughts would be we do a ladder style system, pilots put down a deposit, locations are kept as secret as possible, for obvious reasons. Anyone found "cheating" loses their deposit, is ineligible for future events, etc. Clearly MANY terms need to be defined.
Why not just go to low sec? cause I feed pirates enough as it is already.
Will there be many ways for people to make it fail? sure there will.
Is it possible to have a lot of fun trying to make it work? Absolutely.
So if you're interested, please post here and let me know. I'll "like" your post so you know I've added your name to my list.
If you hate the idea, and think it and/or I am stupid for suggesting it, please let me know through your silence,
Best AG
Its not anti sandbox if the players Create it and control it. TBH is it makes it sandbox because player can control it and its not created and run by a dev team from CCP or any other company that involed in the making of eve online.
I for one would love a boxxing ring to siliance the dogs that call me out in eve but it will not happen
1 - Cloaked Logi, TD, Painters all that ****. 2 - It would have to be in 0.0 due to the Sec Status hit if its in low (then it will just get blobbed by some pirate gang. LOL i know would do it) 3 - just see 1 & 2 its the reason it can not happen |

Goose99
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2011.09.27 03:18:00 -
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Game mechanics do not allow it. AT alliance has god mode gms teleporting you to Jove space. If CCP does change game mechanics, they might as well just implement a real AT style arena, there wouldn't be a need for players to ad-hoc one. |

Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris Etherium Cartel
43
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Posted - 2011.09.27 04:08:00 -
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sukmanobov wrote:Apollo Gabriel wrote:Hello All,
I know that I would be interested in doing more pvp in a "controlled" environment, as in 2 v 2, 3 v3, etc. The idea has been proposed many times that CCP do this, however, we all know that won't happen (some argue vociferously that it is anti-sandbox).
I am looking for interest primarily, my thoughts would be we do a ladder style system, pilots put down a deposit, locations are kept as secret as possible, for obvious reasons. Anyone found "cheating" loses their deposit, is ineligible for future events, etc. Clearly MANY terms need to be defined.
Why not just go to low sec? cause I feed pirates enough as it is already.
Will there be many ways for people to make it fail? sure there will.
Is it possible to have a lot of fun trying to make it work? Absolutely.
So if you're interested, please post here and let me know. I'll "like" your post so you know I've added your name to my list.
If you hate the idea, and think it and/or I am stupid for suggesting it, please let me know through your silence,
Best AG
Its not anti sandbox if the players Create it and control it. TBH is it makes it sandbox because player can control it and its not created and run by a dev team from CCP or any other company that involed in the making of eve online. I for one would love a boxxing ring to siliance the dogs that call me out in eve but it will not happen 1 - Cloaked Logi, TD, Painters all that ****. 2 - It would have to be in 0.0 due to the Sec Status hit if its in low (then it will just get blobbed by some pirate gang. LOL i know would do it) 3 - just see 1 & 2 its the reason it can not happen
Sir, I think you misunderstand me. For CCP to run it, it would be anitsand, I agree. For us, it would be ******* awesome.
I have means for #1 and #2, so I ask, are you interested? If so, eve mail me and for fun, let me know who you're interested in taking on, maybe I can arrange a 1v1 for ya.
AG |

Goose99
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2011.09.27 04:45:00 -
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Apollo Gabriel wrote:sukmanobov wrote:Apollo Gabriel wrote:Hello All,
I know that I would be interested in doing more pvp in a "controlled" environment, as in 2 v 2, 3 v3, etc. The idea has been proposed many times that CCP do this, however, we all know that won't happen (some argue vociferously that it is anti-sandbox).
I am looking for interest primarily, my thoughts would be we do a ladder style system, pilots put down a deposit, locations are kept as secret as possible, for obvious reasons. Anyone found "cheating" loses their deposit, is ineligible for future events, etc. Clearly MANY terms need to be defined.
Why not just go to low sec? cause I feed pirates enough as it is already.
Will there be many ways for people to make it fail? sure there will.
Is it possible to have a lot of fun trying to make it work? Absolutely.
So if you're interested, please post here and let me know. I'll "like" your post so you know I've added your name to my list.
If you hate the idea, and think it and/or I am stupid for suggesting it, please let me know through your silence,
Best AG
Its not anti sandbox if the players Create it and control it. TBH is it makes it sandbox because player can control it and its not created and run by a dev team from CCP or any other company that involed in the making of eve online. I for one would love a boxxing ring to siliance the dogs that call me out in eve but it will not happen 1 - Cloaked Logi, TD, Painters all that ****. 2 - It would have to be in 0.0 due to the Sec Status hit if its in low (then it will just get blobbed by some pirate gang. LOL i know would do it) 3 - just see 1 & 2 its the reason it can not happen Sir, I think you misunderstand me. For CCP to run it, it would be anitsand, I agree. For us, it would be ******* awesome. I have means for #1 and #2, so I ask, are you interested? If so, eve mail me and for fun, let me know who you're interested in taking on, maybe I can arrange a 1v1 for ya. AG
Read the above post. You don't have the tools to run it. People have tried. It's impossible. |

Apollo-Moor
xHELLonEARTHx Rookie Empire
9
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Posted - 2011.09.27 06:13:00 -
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Apollo Gabriel wrote:Hello All,
I know that I would be interested in doing more pvp in a "controlled" environment, as in 2 v 2, 3 v3, etc. The idea has been proposed many times that CCP do this, however, we all know that won't happen (some argue vociferously that it is anti-sandbox).
I am looking for interest primarily, my thoughts would be we do a ladder style system, pilots put down a deposit, locations are kept as secret as possible, for obvious reasons. Anyone found "cheating" loses their deposit, is ineligible for future events, etc. Clearly MANY terms need to be defined.
Why not just go to low sec? cause I feed pirates enough as it is already.
Will there be many ways for people to make it fail? sure there will.
Is it possible to have a lot of fun trying to make it work? Absolutely.
So if you're interested, please post here and let me know. I'll "like" your post so you know I've added your name to my list.
If you hate the idea, and think it and/or I am stupid for suggesting it, please let me know through your silence,
Best AG
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The silence is because I know you want this in hi-sec which is a no-go. The police (Concord) is not going to sit around letting people mame and murder each other. That would be a barbaric society that is not allowed as such in Hi..
As for WH. I don't know many wanting to jump into a WH for ***** and giggles just to arena fight. Practice for AT is a little different. I think a player run arena would be awesome. CCP just has to provide the mechanic whatever that would be.
Possibly it could be something like setting up a station. Laying the egg and filling with preferred modules for 2v2, 3v3.. etc. Something constructed in Null or Lo- (I'd be willing to bend on that one) |
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Jude Lloyd
Heretic Army
130
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Posted - 2011.09.27 08:42:00 -
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Just use the test server. Heretic Army CEO Host of Frigfry Fridays
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Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris Etherium Cartel
43
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Posted - 2011.09.27 12:20:00 -
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 Apollo-Moor wrote:Apollo Gabriel wrote:Hello All,
I know that I would be interested in doing more pvp in a "controlled" environment, as in 2 v 2, 3 v3, etc. The idea has been proposed many times that CCP do this, however, we all know that won't happen (some argue vociferously that it is anti-sandbox).
I am looking for interest primarily, my thoughts would be we do a ladder style system, pilots put down a deposit, locations are kept as secret as possible, for obvious reasons. Anyone found "cheating" loses their deposit, is ineligible for future events, etc. Clearly MANY terms need to be defined.
Why not just go to low sec? cause I feed pirates enough as it is already.
Will there be many ways for people to make it fail? sure there will.
Is it possible to have a lot of fun trying to make it work? Absolutely.
So if you're interested, please post here and let me know. I'll "like" your post so you know I've added your name to my list.
If you hate the idea, and think it and/or I am stupid for suggesting it, please let me know through your silence,
Best AG
........... The silence is because I know you want this in hi-sec which is a no-go. The police (Concord) is not going to sit around letting people mame and murder each other. That would be a barbaric society that is not allowed as such in Hi.. As for WH. I don't know many wanting to jump into a WH for ***** and giggles just to arena fight. Practice for AT is a little different. I think a player run arena would be awesome. CCP just has to provide the mechanic whatever that would be. Possibly it could be something like setting up a station. Laying the egg and filling with preferred modules for 2v2, 3v3.. etc. Something constructed in Null or Lo- (I'd be willing to bend on that one)
I think the silence is due to many reasons,
1) Not in the general forum, 2) At best 10% of the player base read the forums, likely less than half of those post, 3) Idea is very vague
Also Apollo-Moor, I didn't mention HS, and I have no intentions of doing HS
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Goose99
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2011.09.27 13:51:00 -
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Apollo Gabriel wrote: Apollo-Moor wrote:Apollo Gabriel wrote:Hello All,
I know that I would be interested in doing more pvp in a "controlled" environment, as in 2 v 2, 3 v3, etc. The idea has been proposed many times that CCP do this, however, we all know that won't happen (some argue vociferously that it is anti-sandbox).
I am looking for interest primarily, my thoughts would be we do a ladder style system, pilots put down a deposit, locations are kept as secret as possible, for obvious reasons. Anyone found "cheating" loses their deposit, is ineligible for future events, etc. Clearly MANY terms need to be defined.
Why not just go to low sec? cause I feed pirates enough as it is already.
Will there be many ways for people to make it fail? sure there will.
Is it possible to have a lot of fun trying to make it work? Absolutely.
So if you're interested, please post here and let me know. I'll "like" your post so you know I've added your name to my list.
If you hate the idea, and think it and/or I am stupid for suggesting it, please let me know through your silence,
Best AG
........... The silence is because I know you want this in hi-sec which is a no-go. The police (Concord) is not going to sit around letting people mame and murder each other. That would be a barbaric society that is not allowed as such in Hi.. As for WH. I don't know many wanting to jump into a WH for ***** and giggles just to arena fight. Practice for AT is a little different. I think a player run arena would be awesome. CCP just has to provide the mechanic whatever that would be. Possibly it could be something like setting up a station. Laying the egg and filling with preferred modules for 2v2, 3v3.. etc. Something constructed in Null or Lo- (I'd be willing to bend on that one) I think the silence is due to many reasons, 1) Not in the general forum, 2) At best 10% of the player base read the forums, likely less than half of those post, 3) Idea is very vague Also Apollo-Moor, I didn't mention HS, and I have no intentions of doing HS
How fast can you say "trap?"
As mentioned repeatedly, mechanics doesn't exist. People have tried and failed. |

Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris Etherium Cartel
43
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Posted - 2011.09.27 13:54:00 -
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lol ... Goose, I understand that the history of these ventures have failed, why do you feel you need to keep repeating yourself? |

Goose99
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2011.09.27 15:03:00 -
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Apollo Gabriel wrote:lol ... Goose, I understand that the history of these ventures have failed, why do you feel you need to keep repeating yourself?
Obviously, I took it upon myself to troll you until you give up on the idea. |

Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris Etherium Cartel
43
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Posted - 2011.09.27 16:05:00 -
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Goose99 wrote:Apollo Gabriel wrote:lol ... Goose, I understand that the history of these ventures have failed, why do you feel you need to keep repeating yourself? Obviously, I took it upon myself to troll you until you give up on the idea. 
I am grateful for your honesty!
However, I've wanted to organize/participate in arenas with real loss in the land of eve for sometime, and I've decided why wait any longer. I've seen MANY attempts fail, I have some new ideas on the matter (which I'm keeping close to my chest for obvious reasons), and I hope I can make a go of it.
The first step is determining WHO is interested.
Best, AG |

March rabbit
Ganse Shadow of xXDEATHXx
3
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Posted - 2011.09.27 16:18:00 -
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just idea from top of my head: 1) where: occasionally found wormhole from HS into deep 0.0 space with empty system (and possibly 2-3 empty around). 2) how: you fleet candidates and lead there. 3) candidates fight being in 1 fleet. 3) after it is finished all of them (hehe) return to empire.
this way you make it a lot harder to get gangmates into arena. Yes they will get name of a system with WH but you have some time to finish current fight. And if you fly through wormhole system this will make it a lot more complex to chase you. |

Bad Messenger
draketrain
1
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Posted - 2011.09.27 16:35:00 -
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There is lot of different games where is arranged balanced matches every day, maybe you should try one of those instead. |

Cearain
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
53
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Posted - 2011.09.27 17:27:00 -
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I might be interested depending on the rules. I wouldn't be interested if you don't have to keep the guy pointed. Either way good luck with it. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Myfanwy Heimdal
Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc
2
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Posted - 2011.09.27 18:22:00 -
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Why not do this via the RvB on-going war? This can be easily set up there. |
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KFenn
Percussive Diplomacy
4
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Posted - 2011.09.27 19:56:00 -
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Jude Lloyd wrote:Just use the test server. So people fly nothing but the most ridiculously expensive ships? The thing is, it's only really worth it if there's some value to the ship you're flying.
Commanding Officer of the Treacle Tart Brigade SLAPD Director |

TFirish3
Open University of Celestial Hardship Art of War Alliance
0
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Posted - 2011.09.28 00:03:00 -
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I'd be generally in favor of this. I'd love to see a Roman Gladiator style arena -- basically Alliance Tournaments for the average Joes. You set up time, number of combatants per side, etc, and you get a "ring/arena" to fight in. No outside disturbances possible, no podding possible. Just a clean fight, but you DO lose your ship when it blows up of course.
My only worry is that it would deter a lot of people from low/null sec if they could get this type of PVP in a stadium environment. I'm not really looking to move WoT into Eve. |

Goose99
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2011.09.28 00:59:00 -
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TFirish3 wrote:I'd be generally in favor of this. I'd love to see a Roman Gladiator style arena -- basically Alliance Tournaments for the average Joes. You set up time, number of combatants per side, etc, and you get a "ring/arena" to fight in. No outside disturbances possible, no podding possible. Just a clean fight, but you DO lose your ship when it blows up of course.
My only worry is that it would deter a lot of people from low/null sec if they could get this type of PVP in a stadium environment. I'm not really looking to move WoT into Eve.
You don't need that to deter a lot of people from lolzsec/blobsec. |

Pyus
Hand Of Midas F0RCEFUL ENTRY
2
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Posted - 2011.09.28 17:40:00 -
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To OP:
I'm certainly interested in more detailed discussino on this. I've been considering the devlopment of a system very close to what you describe but have never done a rigorous study of the feasibility in terms of game mechanics. With current game mechaincs, such a system would have to rely on a lot of peer reviewing, honor, etc. as I think you've pointed out.
But even with this limitation, I think there's a very large population in the game that would appreciate something like this. Doing it right is going to take some considerable thought and devlopment (if it's even feasible).
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Cyniac
Twilight Star Rangers Black Thorne Alliance
11
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Posted - 2011.09.29 22:59:00 -
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Bah forum ate my post... and it wasn't even that big...
Anyhow short version
Get wormhole (highsec entrance?)
Lead opponents into WH (ideally separately)
Collapse WH - WH is now secure you will not be disturbed.
Let them have at it.
Congratulate winners.
Collect the flash frozen corpses of the losers. |

Thelron
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.09.29 23:55:00 -
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Any reason not to make a "participants" corp to get around the CONCORD problem without having to go to nullsec and open yourself up to "rowdy fans" aside from the logistics of getting participants to/from their "real" corps or having to dedicate an alt (so as not to have to hop corps all the time)? Yeah, people can still suicide to disrupt an event and it'd have to be remade a bunch due to people inevitably finding it funny to wardec the arena corp but at least you can largely clamp down on outside interference. |
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CCP Spitfire
C C P C C P Alliance
192

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Posted - 2011.09.30 06:45:00 -
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Apollo Gabriel wrote:My thought is that the location would be dynamic, and the matches "invite only" meaning, you get asked if on night X, you can be within Y jumps of Jita (or other location). Then 15 mins before your match you get your location, if you bring others, you don't get invited back.
There are many ways it could be done, including JCs (although the 24 hr headache is pita). My other thought is to do it in C1 whs, all combatants enter without scan probe launcher, and then the hole is closed. That could provide the security needed.
AG
Invite-only matches? Secret locations? This sounds like Fight Club (in a good way) and could make for some excellent stories. Best of luck with the idea!
CCP Spitfire | Russian Community Coordinator @ccp_spitfire |
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Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
4
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Posted - 2011.09.30 06:59:00 -
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I wouldn't mind participating in a an arranged fight...
Unfortunately, the time and energy involved in enforcing a fair fight are probably more than any group wants to endure. |

Sivor Detmen
Pure Evil Warriors The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10
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Posted - 2011.09.30 15:53:00 -
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I would love to get some "arena like fights" that would hold true 1vs1, 2vs2, or even 1vs2, 2vs3, etc... but enforcing this with the current game mechanics is pretty hard.
Even if you create the system via RvB and annouce matches in local to place bets etc.. most likely someone would just show up with TDs, painters, RR just to ruin it and collect some tears.
If you try to make this through invitation and get the fighters in the same fleet in high sec, getting aggro from can fliping for example, most likely someone will eventually drop your fleet, fleet up rr or corp mates and ruin the match. Doing this through WHs involves way too much work to be worth it and you also have external variables you cannot control. AKA uninvited guests from the depths of space 
You may start doing this and try to create a white/black list with people that honor the fights and those who don't. Maybe also create an insurance for people that got killed because the opponent broke the rules or something or even providing yourself the ships for the fight.
You should also try to get some bets going to generate isk for prizes and for insurance/ship supply. Inviting people to see the fight is probably a bad idea so maybe you could get like a livestream video.
I think the best way to try to do this in a busy system like a trade hub have the fighters jumping out and back in to the system to generate a new sig so people can't probe them fast enough to ruin the fight and meet up in a true safe somewhere for the fight.
However the ammount of work involved in this is huge and you will get frustrated many times, but if you can create a system like this it will be fun.
Sivor |

KFenn
Percussive Diplomacy
5
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Posted - 2011.09.30 16:52:00 -
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Sivor Detmen wrote:If you try to make this through invitation and get the fighters in the same fleet in high sec, getting aggro from can fliping for example, most likely someone will eventually drop your fleet, fleet up rr or corp mates and ruin the match. Doing this through WHs involves way too much work to be worth it and you also have external variables you cannot control. AKA uninvited guests from the depths of space 
Nope, because you alienate everyone who can't get in highsec due to sec status issues, not to mention FW aggro, things like this... best in lowsec tbh. Commanding Officer of the Treacle Tart Brigade SLAPD Director |
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