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Dazram Two
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Posted - 2011.03.06 11:22:00 -
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So it's got bonuses for hybrids and drones...
Yet in PvP you never see Dominix using it's gun slots. It's usually Energy neuts and drone link augmentors.
And in PvE the hybrid turrets generally serve as a damage support for your drones.
What's the point of having Hybrid bonuses? Why not give it a bonus to Energy Destabilizers or up it's drone bonuses. Maybe give it more drone damage or allow the use of one or two extra drones?
I'm interested in other peoples thoughts on the subject. And please...I want to see a constructive conversation on this. Try to tone down the flaming.
Thanks.
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rampro
Kels Corsair's Insidious.
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Posted - 2011.03.06 11:26:00 -
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Edited by: rampro on 06/03/2011 11:27:27 http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/45951-Sheild-Dominix-1300dps.html
Drone augs in pvp ? thats a nono , its so good cuase its versatile :) a bonus to nuets would be bordering on the rediculous .
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Dazram Two
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Posted - 2011.03.06 11:29:00 -
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Edited by: Dazram Two on 06/03/2011 11:29:34
Originally by: rampro Edited by: rampro on 06/03/2011 11:27:09 http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/45951-Sheild-Dominix-1300dps.htmlnullDrone augs in pvp ? thats a nono , its so good cuase its versatile :) a bonus to nuets would be bordering on the rediculous .
Why would you use a blaster fit dominix when you can use a hyperion or a megathron and get better results?
What I'm saying is the dominix focus is undeniably it's drone superiority and I'm questioning the relevance of its hybrid bonus.
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rampro
Kels Corsair's Insidious.
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Posted - 2011.03.06 11:34:00 -
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Edited by: rampro on 06/03/2011 11:35:13
Originally by: Dazram Two Edited by: Dazram Two on 06/03/2011 11:29:34
Originally by: rampro Edited by: rampro on 06/03/2011 11:27:09 http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/45951-Sheild-Dominix-1300dps.htmlnullDrone augs in pvp ? thats a nono , its so good cuase its versatile :) a bonus to nuets would be bordering on the rediculous .
Why would you use a blaster fit dominix when you can use a hyperion or a megathron and get better results?
What I'm saying is the dominix focus is undeniably it's drone superiority and I'm questioning the relevance of its hybrid bonus.
why the hell not its a domi that does 1300 dps? I know what ur getting at though but u can use guns on it
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Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
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Posted - 2011.03.06 11:35:00 -
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A PvE Domi should be using its hybrid bonus, as it is the best performance reason to use it over a 125m3 bandwidth drone cruiser.
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Dazram Two
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Posted - 2011.03.06 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: Patient 2428190 A PvE Domi should be using its hybrid bonus, as it is the best performance reason to use it over a 125m3 bandwidth drone cruiser.
And what about a PvP one?
There are clearly more effective options available for a PvP domi than a PvE one.
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rampro
Kels Corsair's Insidious.
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Posted - 2011.03.06 11:40:00 -
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Ur fighting an active tank fit nuets , u need rr fit rr , u need dps fit guns...............
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Dazram Two
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Posted - 2011.03.06 11:42:00 -
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Edited by: Dazram Two on 06/03/2011 11:43:08
Originally by: rampro Ur fighting an active tank fit nuets , u need rr fit rr , u need dps fit guns...............
Removing the hybrid bonus and uping drone damage bonus negates the need for guns.
Thus allowing you to keep your DPS and allow for more flexibility in your high slots for all situations, pvp and pve.
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rampro
Kels Corsair's Insidious.
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Posted - 2011.03.06 11:44:00 -
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then it becomes op
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Dazram Two
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Posted - 2011.03.06 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: rampro then it becomes op
Not really. Just makes it more vulnerable to Energy Transfers and Smartbombs.
If anything it becomes less powerful, as it's weaknesses are more amplified.
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rampro
Kels Corsair's Insidious.
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Posted - 2011.03.06 11:52:00 -
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Dominix is fine :)
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Dazram Two
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Posted - 2011.03.06 11:53:00 -
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Edited by: Dazram Two on 06/03/2011 11:54:18
Originally by: rampro Dominix is fine :)
A matter of opinion I suppose.
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Sai Hai
Caldari Shin-Ra Ltd
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Posted - 2011.03.06 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: Dazram Two Edited by: Dazram Two on 06/03/2011 11:43:08
Originally by: rampro Ur fighting an active tank fit nuets , u need rr fit rr , u need dps fit guns...............
Removing the hybrid bonus and uping drone damage bonus negates the need for guns.
Thus allowing you to keep your DPS and allow for more flexibility in your high slots for all situations, pvp and pve.
I agree. Even when I use guns, I usually end up using ACs because of damage types and grid req.
ATM drone ships suck hard compared to others. Any gun or missile specced ship is better then drone ship. Even Amarr drone ship like Curse is better then any other Gallente ship.
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Dazram Two
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Posted - 2011.03.06 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: Sai Hai
Originally by: Dazram Two Edited by: Dazram Two on 06/03/2011 11:43:08
Originally by: rampro Ur fighting an active tank fit nuets , u need rr fit rr , u need dps fit guns...............
Removing the hybrid bonus and uping drone damage bonus negates the need for guns.
Thus allowing you to keep your DPS and allow for more flexibility in your high slots for all situations, pvp and pve.
I agree. Even when I use guns, I usually end up using ACs because of damage types and grid req.
ATM drone ships suck hard compared to others. Any gun or missile specced ship is better then drone ship. Even Amarr drone ship like Curse is better then any other Gallente ship.
You make a good point. I do love my artillery fit myrmidon.
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VannyDaCruz
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Posted - 2011.03.06 12:13:00 -
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Edited by: VannyDaCruz on 06/03/2011 12:15:23 Dazram, I want to know your experiences in PVPing with a dominix. Most PVP dominixes, especially solo ones, use guns. There are times where medium blasters are used, and times when large electrons are used, and times when they are used in conjunction with the neuts. You have no idea what you are talking about and will get flamed down hard, and you will keep defending each and every post until the amount of naysayers will simply overwhelm your thread.
The Dominix is already the most versatile battleship in the game and borderline OP in solo and small gang situations, there is no need to take away its large hybrid bonus, it will ruin its PVE viability as well as many PVP fits.
"Yet in PvP you never see Dominix using it's gun slots. It's usually Energy neuts and drone link augmentors." I will quote you so you cannot ***** out and argue different and unrelated subjects:
The Dominix should NEVER fit drone link augmentors in PVP, and they more often than not use hybrid guns. You either 1. Live in a bad lowsec area with newbie pvpers, 2. Live in a carebear highsec/nullsec, 3. Just ran into bad domis. Stop defending yourself, you just look silly.
EDIT: Also, the reason why my retaliation sounds flamey is because you are not looking for "why does it have a hybrid bonus", but you are looking for "I know I am right that hybrids suck, and thus you either agree with me or I'll quote you and tell you you are wrong".
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Dazram Two
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Posted - 2011.03.06 12:16:00 -
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Originally by: VannyDaCruz Dazram, I want to know your experiences in PVPing with a dominix. Most PVP dominixes, especially solo ones, use guns. There are times where medium blasters are used, and times when large electrons are used, and times when they are used in conjunction with the neuts. You have no idea what you are talking about and will get flamed down hard, and you will keep defending each and every post until the amount of naysayers will simply overwhelm your thread.
The Dominix is already the most versatile battleship in the game and borderline OP in solo and small gang situations, there is no need to take away its large hybrid bonus, it will ruin its PVE viability as well as many PVP fits.
"Yet in PvP you never see Dominix using it's gun slots. It's usually Energy neuts and drone link augmentors." I will quote you so you cannot ***** out and argue different and unrelated subjects:
The Dominix should NEVER fit drone link augmentors in PVP, and they more often than not use hybrid guns. You either 1. Live in a bad lowsec area with newbie pvpers, 2. Live in a carebear highsec/nullsec, 3. Just ran into bad domis. Stop defending yourself, you just look silly.
Congratulations. You're the first to flame and offer non-constructive feed back.
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Dazram Two
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Posted - 2011.03.06 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: VannyDaCruz Edited by: VannyDaCruz on 06/03/2011 12:15:23 Dazram, I want to know your experiences in PVPing with a dominix. Most PVP dominixes, especially solo ones, use guns. There are times where medium blasters are used, and times when large electrons are used, and times when they are used in conjunction with the neuts. You have no idea what you are talking about and will get flamed down hard, and you will keep defending each and every post until the amount of naysayers will simply overwhelm your thread.
The Dominix is already the most versatile battleship in the game and borderline OP in solo and small gang situations, there is no need to take away its large hybrid bonus, it will ruin its PVE viability as well as many PVP fits.
"Yet in PvP you never see Dominix using it's gun slots. It's usually Energy neuts and drone link augmentors." I will quote you so you cannot ***** out and argue different and unrelated subjects:
The Dominix should NEVER fit drone link augmentors in PVP, and they more often than not use hybrid guns. You either 1. Live in a bad lowsec area with newbie pvpers, 2. Live in a carebear highsec/nullsec, 3. Just ran into bad domis. Stop defending yourself, you just look silly.
EDIT: Also, the reason why my retaliation sounds flamey is because you are not looking for "why does it have a hybrid bonus", but you are looking for "I know I am right that hybrids suck, and thus you either agree with me or I'll quote you and tell you you are wrong".
If by removing the hybrid bonus, you can fit other guns and not worry about not having the bonus for them. (e.g lasers and projectiles)
I don't see the problem really.
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VannyDaCruz
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Posted - 2011.03.06 12:19:00 -
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Edited by: VannyDaCruz on 06/03/2011 12:21:28 Edited by: VannyDaCruz on 06/03/2011 12:19:27 What answer are you looking for then? People are disagreeing with you and you don't care. You say that the hybrid bonus is not relevant, and people are saying that it is because they fly it or see people flying it often or have experience in it. You just reply with "no".
The fact of the matter is that the hybrid bonus is used - what else do you want to know?
"Why would you use a blaster fit dominix when you can use a hyperion or a megathron and get better results"
This is wrong. You cannot.
"If by removing the hybrid bonus, you can fit other guns and not worry about not having the bonus for them. (e.g lasers and projectiles)
I don't see the problem really."
You can say this about ANY ship that isn't minny. Half the ships in game with a freaking game end up using autos/arties, and yet you dont complain about them? Arty Abaddons? Auto Myrms? So what? Pulse baddons and hybrid myrms are just as viable.
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Dazram Two
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Posted - 2011.03.06 12:24:00 -
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Originally by: VannyDaCruz Edited by: VannyDaCruz on 06/03/2011 12:19:27 What answer are you looking for then? People are disagreeing with you and you don't care. You say that the hybrid bonus is not relevant, and people are saying that it is because they fly it or see people flying it often or have experience in it. You just reply with "no".
The fact of the matter is that the hybrid bonus is used - what else do you want to know?
"Why would you use a blaster fit dominix when you can use a hyperion or a megathron and get better results"
This is wrong. You cannot.
The point, which you apparently missed, is that if you remove the hybrid turret bonus and replace it with something else, like say an increase in drone damage, that only leaves the ship with more versatility.
Someone might can use a dominix and have good drone skills but have no skills what so ever in hybrids and instead in say, lasers. Thus missing out on the hybrid bonus.
So by removing hybrid bonus and upping drone damage bonus some, it allows for more flexibility in the high slots and making the domi more accessible.
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Dazram Two
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Posted - 2011.03.06 12:26:00 -
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Originally by: VannyDaCruz Edited by: VannyDaCruz on 06/03/2011 12:21:28 Edited by: VannyDaCruz on 06/03/2011 12:19:27 What answer are you looking for then? People are disagreeing with you and you don't care. You say that the hybrid bonus is not relevant, and people are saying that it is because they fly it or see people flying it often or have experience in it. You just reply with "no".
The fact of the matter is that the hybrid bonus is used - what else do you want to know?
"Why would you use a blaster fit dominix when you can use a hyperion or a megathron and get better results"
This is wrong. You cannot.
"If by removing the hybrid bonus, you can fit other guns and not worry about not having the bonus for them. (e.g lasers and projectiles)
I don't see the problem really."
You can say this about ANY ship that isn't minny. Half the ships in game with a freaking game end up using autos/arties, and yet you dont complain about them? Arty Abaddons? Auto Myrms? So what? Pulse baddons and hybrid myrms are just as viable.
The answer for a Myrmidon is quite clear. It's a drone boat with flexible high slots.
Why can't the same be done with the Dominix then?
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VannyDaCruz
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Posted - 2011.03.06 12:28:00 -
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Edited by: VannyDaCruz on 06/03/2011 12:28:48 Do you see a single ship in the game that follows this doctrine? :S
Why dont you just remove weapon bonuses to all drone / ecm / recon ship? The dominix is a GALLENTE ship, if the person flying it doesnt want to use hybrids, well dont, but its still a gallente ship.
Your argument is logically valid, but its based on an assumption that no one uses hybrids - which is fundamentally wrong - how many times do I and many others have to repeat this?
Also, why not remove all gallente's armor bonuses since we almost only exclusively shield tank nowadays lol.
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Kepakh
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Posted - 2011.03.06 12:30:00 -
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Originally by: Dazram Two
Removing the hybrid bonus and uping drone damage bonus negates the need for guns.
And that why your proposal is bad.
As already pointed out, you want damage -> fit guns. It does not add flexibility, it boost the ship is unnecessary way.
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Sai Hai
Caldari Shin-Ra Ltd
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Posted - 2011.03.06 12:32:00 -
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IMHO the most versatile BS is Typhoon. Domi is 2nd or 3rd. I wish there was High-slot mods with bonus for speed, damage or/and +1 drone to control.
In PvE if you compare Domi to others - Domi will loose to Mael, Raven and many others. I'm talking about being able to complete missions fast. Sure Domi makes and good mission runner, but it takes ages to complete missions. There are many situations when you can't use sentries. It's takes 40-45 seconds for heavies to get to the target while Raven will kill 2 BS in that time.
Actually same goes for PvP, heavy drones are way too slow.
At least it would be great to trade hybrid bonuses for drone speed increase or similar.
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Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
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Posted - 2011.03.06 12:50:00 -
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Originally by: Dazram Two
And what about a PvP one?
There are clearly more effective options available for a PvP domi than a PvE one.
For PvP, I usually use Electron IIs on mine, and the reason why I use it over a Hyp/Mega would be the flexibility that the drone bay and bonus adds. I usually carry heavies, sentries, and some mediums and lights, something that no other Gallente BS can do.
It depends for me. Mega for the tracking bonus, and Domi for the flexibility of a huge drone bay.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.03.06 13:09:00 -
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Originally by: Sai Hai Sure Domi makes and good mission runner, but it takes ages to complete missions. There are many situations when you can't use sentries.
Such as? I've never had that problemà
A properly set up Domi will be about on par with the Raven, but you'll need to get rid of any and all "AFK" thinking to fly it. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Willl Adama
Judicio Sine Misericordia
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Posted - 2011.03.06 13:18:00 -
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Originally by: Dazram Two
Originally by: VannyDaCruz Edited by: VannyDaCruz on 06/03/2011 12:19:27 What answer are you looking for then? People are disagreeing with you and you don't care. You say that the hybrid bonus is not relevant, and people are saying that it is because they fly it or see people flying it often or have experience in it. You just reply with "no".
The fact of the matter is that the hybrid bonus is used - what else do you want to know?
"Why would you use a blaster fit dominix when you can use a hyperion or a megathron and get better results"
This is wrong. You cannot.
The point, which you apparently missed, is that if you remove the hybrid turret bonus and replace it with something else, like say an increase in drone damage, that only leaves the ship with more versatility.
Someone might can use a dominix and have good drone skills but have no skills what so ever in hybrids and instead in say, lasers. Thus missing out on the hybrid bonus.
So by removing hybrid bonus and upping drone damage bonus some, it allows for more flexibility in the high slots and making the domi more accessible.
What? The dominix is already the most versatile battleship in the game, why would you want to up that further? Noone is stopping you from using something else than large hybrid with it, in fact many people fit medium hybrids which doesnt use the bonus either, but that doesnt mean a fit with large blasters doent work cause it certainly does.
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Sai Hai
Caldari Shin-Ra Ltd
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Posted - 2011.03.06 13:30:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Sai Hai Sure Domi makes and good mission runner, but it takes ages to complete missions. There are many situations when you can't use sentries.
Such as? I've never had that problemà
A properly set up Domi will be about on par with the Raven, but you'll need to get rid of any and all "AFK" thinking to fly it.
So when any BS orbit you on 5km distance you use sentries? Just don't tell be there are no BSes that orbit you at that distance. Nice try.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.03.06 13:36:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 06/03/2011 13:38:29
Originally by: Sai Hai So when any BS orbit you on 5km distance you use sentries? Just don't tell be there are no BSes that orbit you at that distance.
There are no BSes that orbit at that distance because they're dead long before they get there. And if that's the distances we're talking about, it does not take heavies 40-50s to get to the target. Oh, and just because the BSes are orbiting 5km from you doesn't mean that the sentries can't hit themà
Nice or not, I have tried, and it worked just fine. Have you tried it? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Dazram Two
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Posted - 2011.03.06 14:06:00 -
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I know this idea will probably get shot down, but I'm going to throw it out there anyway.
What about remove ALL it's current ship bonuses and give it the ability to field 5 fighters perhaps?
What about a bonus that reduces the CPU and Power needs for a drone control unit?
A bonus that increases range on Energy Vamp/Destablizers?
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rampro
Kels Corsair's Insidious.
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Posted - 2011.03.06 14:14:00 -
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Originally by: Dazram Two I know this idea will probably get shot down, but I'm going to throw it out there anyway.
What about remove ALL it's current ship bonuses and give it the ability to field 5 fighters perhaps?
What about a bonus that reduces the CPU and Power needs for a drone control unit?
A bonus that increases range on Energy Vamp/Destablizers?
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