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Freyya
Advanced Planetary Exports Intergalactic Exports Group
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Posted - 2011.02.24 08:52:00 -
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I'll do it anyway!
When is the 5th and final subsystem ever going to come? I'm not a user of T3 ships really but for pete's sake...When where T3 cruisers introduced again?
I could ask the same question about T3 frigs, FW, Treaties, Storefronts, New mining mechanics (comets and dynamic systemwide belts ring a bell?) Design your starship contest nr. deux etc. etc. etc. etc.
I love the way you do smaller releases now and can see that more things can be handled better instead of fixating on one "giant" expansion each 6-7 months. But if such promisses and statements of the (far) past get left behind or forgotten so easily, how's that exactly going to bring forth the confidence that you'll be able to itterate on Incursions or Incarna for that matter. You (CCP) just seem to be distracted by every new shiny thing that makes it's existance known by blinking in the corner of your eye.
Sorry but suddenly felt like doing a little bit of ranting..I have full confidence that such features are going to be fleshed out sooner than we think and hope.... unless you're putting the entire desing teams on creating the new MT system....But i'll just have to cross my fingers that you won't ___________
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Xercodo
Amarr Daj'Juntar
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Posted - 2011.02.24 08:58:00 -
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There were no promises(if so, source?), they just said that they they WANT to do it...not they they would or could within realistic time or means.
Personally, the way things are going, I'm fine with waiting for those in lieu of current developments ^^
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knobber Jobbler
Executive Intervention Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2011.02.24 09:25:00 -
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maybe ccp should start seeing players rightly as customers and not announce what it can't deliver and correctly deliver on promises its made.
its how most other businesses treat customers. maybe if they didn't have a monopoly on the spaceship sandbox market they'd pull up thier socks!?
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Airu Naari
The Noxious
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Posted - 2011.02.24 09:35:00 -
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Edited by: Airu Naari on 24/02/2011 09:36:48 5th and final subsystem will come when the dev team thinks it's ready/time to incorporate it into the game. I really think that's the truth and I really think it's possible not even they know when is that - exactly.
Just be patient and happy with what you get for your money:
Free expansions Awesome support (at least in my case - I might get flamed for this?) Good interaction with the dev team Ability to earn your gametime with INGAME money (which many people do with ease and fund multiple chars...) Greatest game of all time?
Come on.. just love it! :D
But, it's good to ask these questions because many times I see the devs reply. I wouldn't mind seeing some T3 frigs myself, as I love frigs - fav class.
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Freyya
Advanced Planetary Exports Intergalactic Exports Group
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Posted - 2011.02.24 09:57:00 -
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Well like i said just a bit of ranting since i do that way too little tbh
I can give you 3 examples though: T3 is already in game since 2009. The 4th subsystem kept us waiting a bit but the 5th has never been designed anymore. CCP just ran out of ideas on what to make the 5th subsystem capable of i think (bonusses and purposses pool depleted?) Since the 4th there has been 0 information (and i'm guessing also 0 development) regarding this 5th elusive sub.
The 2nd is Storefronts. There was a working internal version that has been showcased in a blog, slated for release with i think it was expansion codename "Midas", or the "industrial expansion" known as (iirc) Quantum Rise. It was pulled from release at one of the last moments due to integration/performance issues afaik. No information since then. Quantum Rise was in Nov. 2008. Unfortunatly can't find the blog that quick...
3rd is FW. This is a promiss from a blog in 2007 (Yes it's been around for 3 years already :P):
What about Factional Warfare? You promised!
Yes, we did and we will hold to it if we are satisfied with the end result. As underlined in this blog, our focus is to address what we already have and pushing out an incomplete or broken Factional Warfare while we focus on improvements is counter to our goals. We do have a simple version of it we're testing out, one which can then evolve based on how you play it and resulting in the embrace of emerging gameplay. Sorry couldn't help using the buzzwords. :P Linky blog
All in good fun really, like i said, i have 100 ranting points racked up and just spent 20 on this... ___________
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Airu Naari
The Noxious
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Posted - 2011.02.24 10:02:00 -
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Edited by: Airu Naari on 24/02/2011 10:02:42 Maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea if CCP made a place where subscribers can prioritize what they want to see in the game first - out of the things that are planned/promised, and it can only be a guideline for them not a mandatory thing. It could work and it wouldn't be so scattered over 100s of threads if they made a proper voting system.
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Natasja Podinski
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Posted - 2011.02.24 10:05:00 -
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t3 is ****. Please make your signature more EVE Related.StevieSG |
Freyya
Advanced Planetary Exports Intergalactic Exports Group
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Posted - 2011.02.24 10:14:00 -
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Originally by: Airu Naari Edited by: Airu Naari on 24/02/2011 10:02:42 Maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea if CCP made a place where subscribers can prioritize what they want to see in the game first - out of the things that are planned/promised, and it can only be a guideline for them not a mandatory thing. It could work and it wouldn't be so scattered over 100s of threads if they made a proper voting system.
That's what we have the CSM and their forum subsections for. It is however a bit of dripping water on a hot plate since stakeholders pretty much actually get to say what will be prioritised on. It has been improving however if you read the last CSM summit notes. ___________
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Iceni
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Posted - 2011.02.24 10:35:00 -
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I'm still waiting for Jovian characters to be introduced... there's still a sizeable chunk of the galaxy reserved for them. I wonder whatever happened to that idea?
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Freyya
Advanced Planetary Exports Intergalactic Exports Group
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Posted - 2011.02.24 11:09:00 -
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Jove Characters won't be introduced since they'll require alot of balance. Maybe when we eventually hit Tech 5, we;ll be at their level. perhaps in a couple years Jovians will be extinct and their borders will be penetrated allowing us to venture into their space. As of now, it's just dev playground and alliance tournaments really. ___________
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sableye
principle of motion
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Posted - 2011.02.24 11:40:00 -
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Edited by: sableye on 24/02/2011 11:40:07
Originally by: Iceni I'm still waiting for Jovian characters to be introduced... there's still a sizeable chunk of the galaxy reserved for them. I wonder whatever happened to that idea?
in future you'll probably be able to change into one for the cost of a plex..
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RaTTuS
BIG Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2011.02.24 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: Freyya Jove Characters won't be introduced since they'll require alot of balance.
the characters need no balancing - it's the tech they use --
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Freyya
Advanced Planetary Exports Intergalactic Exports Group
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Posted - 2011.02.24 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: RaTTuS
Originally by: Freyya Jove Characters won't be introduced since they'll require alot of balance.
the characters need no balancing - it's the tech they use
yeah yeah, that's what i ment ofcourse :p Something with slugs and salt.. ___________
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TokiWartooth Joringer
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Posted - 2011.02.24 13:01:00 -
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Originally by: Xercodo
Personally, the way things are going, I'm fine with waiting for those in lieu of current developments ^^
This is the reason the game is in the state it is now, half finished garbage everywhere.
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Vagilicious
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Posted - 2011.02.24 13:26:00 -
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Okay I may be missing something here, but I thought we already had 5 subsystems?
Defensive, Electronic, Engineering, Offensive and Propulsion = 5. What gives? Or am I just being dense?
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Freyya
Advanced Planetary Exports Intergalactic Exports Group
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Posted - 2011.02.24 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: Vagilicious Okay I may be missing something here, but I thought we already had 5 subsystems?
Defensive, Electronic, Engineering, Offensive and Propulsion = 5. What gives? Or am I just being dense?
Being dense is an artform that takes several years to master. You're just confused slightly by my (not elaborate enough) text. There are the 5 subsystems and 4 types of each sub. We're still waiting on the 5th type that was said to be. ___________
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2011.02.24 14:22:00 -
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Sorry, but I am more satisfied with CCP spending resources on items that provide most value.
Pointing out the obvious; tech 3 cruisers already HAVE 4 different types of each sub-system, providing a lot of usability to that ship type. What more would we gain from having a fifth system, especially when having no clue about the ability of that system? No, give me tech 3 frigates with as little as 2 or 3 sub-system variants and I will be much more happy.
But generally; CCP has has a stance for a long time of (trying to) avoid introducing ship types/abilities with little to no purpose that is not already covered by existing ships.
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Gavjack Bunk
Gallente Genos Occidere Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.02.24 14:41:00 -
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You'll laugh if the 5th sub turns out simlpy to be a means of carrying the other spare 15 subs around in a travel fit.
I think if I were CCP, I would have only given you 3 subs. And then gave you 1 sub every two years thereafter. Your biannual kick in the *******s awaits.
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Ghengis Tia
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Posted - 2011.02.24 16:15:00 -
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Edited by: Ghengis Tia on 24/02/2011 16:19:27 I've finally deduced that if I view CCP as having some sort of a mass version of ADHD, I can then respect the creative genius as well as tolerate the maddening inconsistency.
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Caius Sivaris
Dark Nexxus S I L E N T.
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Posted - 2011.02.24 16:26:00 -
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Originally by: Freyya I'll do it anyway!
When is the 5th and final subsystem ever going to come? I'm not a user of T3 ships really but for pete's sake...When where T3 cruisers introduced again?
Would you settle for a subsystem rebalancing where all four would be useful?
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Freyya
Advanced Planetary Exports Intergalactic Exports Group
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Posted - 2011.02.25 12:29:00 -
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Edited by: Freyya on 25/02/2011 12:30:03
Originally by: Caius Sivaris
Originally by: Freyya I'll do it anyway!
When is the 5th and final subsystem ever going to come? I'm not a user of T3 ships really but for pete's sake...When where T3 cruisers introduced again?
Would you settle for a subsystem rebalancing where all four would be useful?
I guess i would, but i have no idea what subs are and are not balanced
Originally by: Gavjack Bunk You'll laugh if the 5th sub turns out simlpy to be a means of carrying the other spare 15 subs around in a travel fit.
I think if I were CCP, I would have only given you 3 subs. And then gave you 1 sub every two years thereafter. Your biannual kick in the *******s awaits.
I'd indeed laugh, pretty hard actually. i can see the tears... CCP!!!The new subsystem is overpowered!Combined with an interdiction nullifier and cloak the t3 cruiser has turned into an uncatchable blockade runner WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!
LOL indeed. ___________
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Polemarchus
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Posted - 2011.02.25 14:47:00 -
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So they said you'd get 5 of something and you got 4. And now you only have 1024 possible ship combinations. I'm sorry but I don't feel too bad for you.
The occasional rage we see over broken promises is the price CCP pays for being so transparent with their users. Most other developers are very hush-hush about everything they are working on until something reaches beta. Truth is, game design -- like any creative process -- leads to many half-fleshed-out ideas and a few dead ends. Yes, they have left some items incomplete at times. In this case, they probably decided that 4 subsystems was enough for now, considering how few players can afford T3 ships, so they moved personnel on to other features.
I feel I'm getting pretty good bang for my buck (or ISK!) with Eve, compared to some other, more popular, games. Compared to Blizzard or Sony, CCP is challenged with a more complex type of gameplay, a demanding server infrastructure and far less revenue to work with. I'm reluctant to slam CCP for giving me some insight into their design process, since the alternative would be to never know what might be coming down the pipe until patch day arrives.
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Freyya
Advanced Planetary Exports Intergalactic Exports Group
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Posted - 2011.02.25 22:32:00 -
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I'm glad you're not feeling sorry for me as that wasn't actually the point, which you could have seen if you would've read past the first sentence...Besides, was T3 the only one of the points i mentioned you had a reply to? ___________
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Kendon Riddick
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Posted - 2011.02.25 22:40:00 -
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i fly t3, i like them. I hate fighting them. possibly imballenced as they are.
CCP threw way too many bonuses at them for a single ship to have, and quite simply run out of them!!
the only roles left will be lol roles like mining (unless SUBSTANTIAL gains available) and "advanced" focused roles like logistics, EW, and capital traits such as jump drives.
as much as the thought of a jump capable t3 excites me, im pretty sure 0.0 supports wouldnt be very happy!
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Shoopa Whoopa
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Posted - 2011.02.25 22:46:00 -
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All right that's it I'm gonna phone PETA.
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2011.02.25 22:47:00 -
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Originally by: Polemarchus So they said you'd get 5 of something and you got 4. And now you only have 1 possible ship combination.
FYP. Everyone uses the same cookie cutter setup. Thats the main problem.
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Simeon Tor
Picon Fleet New Eden Research.
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Posted - 2011.02.26 02:50:00 -
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Quote: Don't want to flog the dead horse and beat it to death once more but..
How do you beat a dead horse to death?
Or do you mean to your death?
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Tarasina
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Posted - 2011.02.26 05:07:00 -
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Originally by: Polemarchus So they said you'd get 5 of something and you got 4. And now you only have 1024 possible ship combinations. I'm sorry but I don't feel too bad for you.
The occasional rage we see over broken promises is the price CCP pays for being so transparent with their users. Most other developers are very hush-hush about everything they are working on until something reaches beta. Truth is, game design -- like any creative process -- leads to many half-fleshed-out ideas and a few dead ends. Yes, they have left some items incomplete at times. In this case, they probably decided that 4 subsystems was enough for now, considering how few players can afford T3 ships, so they moved personnel on to other features.
I fly Legion, Tengu and Loki. For loki I have a choice of 4 configurations, shieldtank, armortank, Pve in hisec, lowsec epxloration. For tengu and legion I'm down to 2 configurations. All have fuel catalyst, all have capacitor reservoir. Whatever has the most slots and speed = Win. Yes, they are versatile ships but so are every other ship too, it's mostly down to fitting (and purpose) anyway.
Other devs don't blabber about what MIGHT come because they are not sure it wont get axed...which is a more sensible approach. Have you ever heard a motor company saying they are working on a flying car next and not delivering? Your reputation is decided by what you say and most importantly by what you DELIVER.
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