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Kizz Amarr
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.02.21 23:34:00 -
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Edited by: Kizz Amarr on 21/02/2011 23:34:46 A report was published written by CCP Fear, where it was reported they were looking into suicide ganking and other overall security standing issues. CCP wrote ôWe are not happy with the current ease of suicide ganking and the relative ôno hassleö it has become. In many cases, unsuspecting victims have no chance of escape, nor any help from CONCORDE. We want to change this.ö
At the time of writing 2011, the website promoting Hulkageddon IV, shows that 1,587 ships have been killed by way of suicide ganking in the last three days, a financial loss of 122.28 Billion Isks with once simple underlying tone, every ship destroyed by these suicide ganking capsuleers, is unarmed, heavy and slow.
Quoting CCPÆs Blog from 2008, ôBut what for the future?ö, a taskforce (named TaskForce Doughnut!) is dedicated to looking over these changes and proposing plans for the future. All I can say is Doughnut is pronounced æDo NoughtÆ, CCP seems to be encouraging suicide gankers to bravely destroy unarmed ships in the pursuit of large prizes and the promises for the activity to be curtailed, prove to be as empty as the clearest blue sky that ever there was.
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Traxaur
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Posted - 2011.02.21 23:45:00 -
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Edited by: Traxaur on 21/02/2011 23:49:23 Shame a lot of said unarmed ships are bots (at least in regards to the hulks/macks ) now who wouldn't want to get rid of those?
For that matter if you're dumb enough to not at least outfit your ship so it isn't an easy target or decide to not take any measures to protect your 150mil+ investment or if you're dumb enough to be afk mining during the event which is made clear well in advance when it will begin and end then you deserve to have your ship blown up
Stupidity kills.
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Awesome Possum
Foxtrot Uniform Charlie Kilo
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Posted - 2011.02.21 23:53:00 -
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CCP must've realized that "unsuspecting victims" were people too stupid to use the dscan and align buttons.
Insurance was completely revamped to make ganking less 'isk free'. ♥
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Kengutsi Akira
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Posted - 2011.02.21 23:53:00 -
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Originally by: Traxaur Edited by: Traxaur on 21/02/2011 23:49:23 Shame a lot of said unarmed ships are bots (at least in regards to the hulks/macks ) now who wouldn't want to get rid of those?
For that matter if you're dumb enough to not at least outfit your ship so it isn't an easy target or decide to not take any measures to protect your 150mil+ investment or if you're dumb enough to be afk mining during the event which is made clear well in advance when it will begin and end then you deserve to have your ship blown up
Stupidity kills.
You wanna talk stupidity when yer preachin that tired old bull**** about hulkageddon being for altruistic reasons lol Hypocrite ftl ------------------------------------ "You know, my foot oughta vandilize your ass" |
Kizz Amarr
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.02.21 23:56:00 -
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Originally by: Traxaur Edited by: Traxaur on 21/02/2011 23:49:23 Shame a lot of said unarmed ships are bots (at least in regards to the hulks/macks ) now who wouldn't want to get rid of those?
For that matter if you're dumb enough to not at least outfit your ship so it isn't an easy target or decide to not take any measures to protect your 150mil+ investment or if you're dumb enough to be afk mining during the event which is made clear well in advance when it will begin and end then you deserve to have your ship blown up
Stupidity kills.
So are you saying, the suicide gankers should be permitted to force their style of gameplay on those who want to play a different way.
And... Many of the ships killed in the festival so far have not been miners and more than likely have not been 'macro miners', such as haulers and pods.
My point is that CCP stated they would restrict this type of activity, but are now encouraging and supporting it.
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Grimpak
Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.02.21 23:57:00 -
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Originally by: Kengutsi Akira
Originally by: Traxaur Edited by: Traxaur on 21/02/2011 23:49:23 Shame a lot of said unarmed ships are bots (at least in regards to the hulks/macks ) now who wouldn't want to get rid of those?
For that matter if you're dumb enough to not at least outfit your ship so it isn't an easy target or decide to not take any measures to protect your 150mil+ investment or if you're dumb enough to be afk mining during the event which is made clear well in advance when it will begin and end then you deserve to have your ship blown up
Stupidity kills.
You wanna talk stupidity when yer preachin that tired old bull**** about hulkageddon being for altruistic reasons lol Hypocrite ftl
you still sound more butthurt than him tho. ---
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Alotta Baggage
Amarr Imperial Manufactorum Armada Assail
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Posted - 2011.02.22 00:00:00 -
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Originally by: Kizz Amarr
Originally by: Traxaur Edited by: Traxaur on 21/02/2011 23:49:23 Shame a lot of said unarmed ships are bots (at least in regards to the hulks/macks ) now who wouldn't want to get rid of those?
For that matter if you're dumb enough to not at least outfit your ship so it isn't an easy target or decide to not take any measures to protect your 150mil+ investment or if you're dumb enough to be afk mining during the event which is made clear well in advance when it will begin and end then you deserve to have your ship blown up
Stupidity kills.
So are you saying, the suicide gankers should be permitted to force their style of gameplay on those who want to play a different way.
And... Many of the ships killed in the festival so far have not been miners and more than likely have not been 'macro miners', such as haulers and pods.
My point is that CCP stated they would restrict this type of activity, but are now encouraging and supporting it.
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Someone is forcing you to suicide gank? This will be dealt with!
Originally by: Magnus Andronicus ur character looks like a f***ing clown dude.
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Awesome Possum
Foxtrot Uniform Charlie Kilo
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Posted - 2011.02.22 00:01:00 -
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Originally by: Kizz Amarr So are you saying, the suicide gankers should be permitted to force their style of gameplay on those who want to play a different way.
It doesn't matter how YOU want to play, CCP set the game rules.. mainly that highsec is NOT safe, only safer. gankers are playing within the rules, its the miners that want an absolutely risk free style of game play.
Guess what, that's not how the game is designed, get over it.
Quote: My point is that CCP stated they would restrict this type of activity, but are now encouraging and supporting it.
They are only supporting it in the sense that it is well within game design, and they aren't actively stopping it. ♥
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Kizz Amarr
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.02.22 00:08:00 -
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Originally by: Awesome Possum ...
They are only supporting it in the sense that it is well within game design, and they aren't actively stopping it.
LOL, so you agree, CCP are supporting and therefore encouraging it.
You promote that which you support.
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Kengutsi Akira
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Posted - 2011.02.22 00:13:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Kengutsi Akira
Originally by: Traxaur Edited by: Traxaur on 21/02/2011 23:49:23 Shame a lot of said unarmed ships are bots (at least in regards to the hulks/macks ) now who wouldn't want to get rid of those?
For that matter if you're dumb enough to not at least outfit your ship so it isn't an easy target or decide to not take any measures to protect your 150mil+ investment or if you're dumb enough to be afk mining during the event which is made clear well in advance when it will begin and end then you deserve to have your ship blown up
Stupidity kills.
You wanna talk stupidity when yer preachin that tired old bull**** about hulkageddon being for altruistic reasons lol Hypocrite ftl
you still sound more butthurt than him tho.
And you sound like a normal Hulkageddon mouthpiece ------------------------------------ "You know, my foot oughta vandilize your ass" |
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Grimpak
Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.02.22 00:26:00 -
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Originally by: Kengutsi Akira
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Kengutsi Akira You wanna talk stupidity when yer preachin that tired old bull**** about hulkageddon being for altruistic reasons lol Hypocrite ftl
you still sound more butthurt than him tho.
And you sound like a normal Hulkageddon mouthpiece
even if I am such a "normal Hulkageddon mouthpiece", I still sound better than you. ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
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Kizz Amarr
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.02.22 00:28:00 -
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Originally by: Alotta Baggage ...
Someone is forcing you to suicide gank? This will be dealt with!
Ha ha, Thanks Alotta, I knew my perspective would be understood. <grin>
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Kengutsi Akira
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Posted - 2011.02.22 00:57:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Kengutsi Akira
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Kengutsi Akira You wanna talk stupidity when yer preachin that tired old bull**** about hulkageddon being for altruistic reasons lol Hypocrite ftl
you still sound more butthurt than him tho.
And you sound like a normal Hulkageddon mouthpiece
even if I am such a "normal Hulkageddon mouthpiece", I still sound better than you.
Nice reply, youre what, 6? "I know you are but what am I?" lol ------------------------------------ "You know, my foot oughta vandilize your ass" |
Grimpak
Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.02.22 01:02:00 -
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Edited by: Grimpak on 22/02/2011 01:02:34
Originally by: Kengutsi Akira Nice reply, youre what, 6? "I know you are but what am I?" lol
no, I'm actually 7 and a couple of months. ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.02.22 01:35:00 -
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They fixed it, they changed insurance.
That's about as far as I believe they want to change the mechanics of suicide. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Internet White Knight
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Posted - 2011.02.22 03:13:00 -
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Originally by: Kizz Amarr A report was published written by CCP Fear, where it was reported they were looking into suicide ganking and other overall security standing issues. CCP wrote ôWe are not happy with the current ease of suicide ganking and the relative ôno hassleö it has become. In many cases, unsuspecting victims have no chance of escape, nor any help from CONCORDE. We want to change this.ö
Could you link the source of that quote? I'd expect a CCP staffmember to know how to spell CONCORD. Otherwise, don't use speechmarks when it's not a direct quote. Falsifying quotes to suit your own agenda won't help you in the long run. |
Kengutsi Akira
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Posted - 2011.02.22 03:26:00 -
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Originally by: Internet White Knight
Originally by: Kizz Amarr A report was published written by CCP Fear, where it was reported they were looking into suicide ganking and other overall security standing issues. CCP wrote ôWe are not happy with the current ease of suicide ganking and the relative ôno hassleö it has become. In many cases, unsuspecting victims have no chance of escape, nor any help from CONCORDE. We want to change this.ö
Could you link the source of that quote? I'd expect a CCP staffmember to know how to spell CONCORD. Otherwise, don't use speechmarks when it's not a direct quote. Falsifying quotes to suit your own agenda won't help you in the long run.
Id like to see this linkage too Wonder if its considered impersonating CCP Employees if you lie about what they say j/k ------------------------------------ "You know, my foot oughta vandilize your ass" |
Sully Tude
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Posted - 2011.02.22 03:42:00 -
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I don't see what the fuss is all about. I have never stopped mining during Hulkageddon. Kept mining in hulks, too. Kept getting up for food, forgot what I was getting up for, went and did something else, came back and realized my hulks had been sitting in the belt for a good 30 minutes afk.
I've only once lost a hulk to a suicide gank, and that was just some random passing gang, not even during Hulkageddon.
I mine on average 3 or 4 hours per day. More on weekends. I don't bother watching d-scan, I definately don't mine "aligned" whatever the heck that is good for, and my hulks are fit for maximum yield with only a smattering of shield hardeners.
So I ask: What on Earth are people doing that gets them ganked all the time???
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Bella Yar
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Posted - 2011.02.22 03:44:00 -
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Originally by: Kengutsi Akira
You wanna talk stupidity when yer preachin that tired old bull**** about hulkageddon being for altruistic reasons lol Hypocrite ftl
We protect the veldspar so that the Mighty Chribba may have an eternal supply for his Noble Mission.
p.s. u mad?
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Teh Paintress
Caldari Paint Supply
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Posted - 2011.02.22 07:19:00 -
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Let's be honest with this topic. There are obviously merits to both arguments here.
I am personally all for blowing up the hulks, but that is because I'm personally carebear, and I'm able to set aside personal motivation to realize that there are other aspects to an argument.
Yes there are bots. Bots should die. However, the argument that "you should protect your 150m isk investment, if you lose it because you were in X place" only goes so far.
These hulkageddons are getting broader in scope with each consecutive event, and obviously they are far reaching. We are getting to the point where people may not even know they can be safe.
Besides, the argument sounds like "if you walked into the ghetto while being white, what made you think you wouldn't be shot and robbed."
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XioXio Ishukone
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Posted - 2011.02.22 07:28:00 -
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One, suicide ganking is a viable career for fundamentalist pirates who just need to kill someone no matter the cost. Two, penalty of these actions are like saying "naughty naughty, don't do that again" to murderers and rapists. Three, no idea. Tears, smoldering wrecks, pod goo and more tears.
Anyway, I do know that Eve is harsh enviroment and punishes you to oblivion if you are stupid. Never fly what you can't afford. True and most important rule of them all. But highsec is highsec. The people in new eden have been living there for what, 30 000 years? Should think that they got rid some of the anarchy there. Atm highsec feels like living in middle-east.
I have one idea that would put some balance to this. Complete overhaul of sec status system.
Effects of negative sec status in Empire -1.0 you have to pay modest sum just to dock to highsec station. No highsec empire corp wants a criminal on their highsec station. (SP divided by 3) -2.0 some of the station services are blocked. You can only use market and medical. Docking fee is doubled (sp divided by 2) -3.0 all station services are now blocked. You can use market. You also can't enter to station in 1.0 space at all! Docking fee is tripled (your SP amount of isk) -4.0 all station services are now blocked. You can use market. You can only dock to 0.5 station or lower. Docking fee tripled. -4.80 you can't enter any highsec stations. You can however use market. (but can't dock to station to collect your goods. -5.0 or worse. Enemy of the empire. Banned from highsec and pursued by police when ever entering to highsec. Also can not use any highsec stations. Can use the market but theres little point to buy anything as you can't dock to stations. -9.0 to -10.0 Enemy of humanity, free to kill by anyone in highsec. Red flashy pirate.
Then when we have better rules for criminals, let's talk about fixing your sec status. Sec status gain from beltrats is nerfed. In null you wont even gain any sec status by killing rats. Only in lowsec and highsec and the effect is minimal as it can be. Only way to raise sec status more quickly is completely new NPC corp that gives special missions. These missions don't give any LP, money or standings. Only raise the sec status. Think of it as volunteer community service for your crimes. These "New Eden community service stations" are located in highsec as in lowsec. Sec status gains are about the same as standings gains on normal mission agent. example: sec status is -2.0 Person does 10 missions and then gets a community service mission (storyline). this will raise his sec status by 0.5. that means 40 mission to raise sec status from -2.0 to 0 For those criminals with sec status -10.0... well happy grinding. Game must be harsh on them too!
This would NOT ruin anyones gameplay. It would only make game harsh to those people too who make game harsh to other other, passive people!
And yes. this is most likely going to be moved to suggestions.
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Zeta Zhul
Caldari Preemptive Paranoia
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Posted - 2011.02.22 08:13:00 -
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Originally by: Sully Tude I don't see what the fuss is all about. I have never stopped mining during Hulkageddon. Kept mining in hulks, too. Kept getting up for food, forgot what I was getting up for, went and did something else, came back and realized my hulks had been sitting in the belt for a good 30 minutes afk.
I've only once lost a hulk to a suicide gank, and that was just some random passing gang, not even during Hulkageddon.
I mine on average 3 or 4 hours per day. More on weekends. I don't bother watching d-scan, I definately don't mine "aligned" whatever the heck that is good for, and my hulks are fit for maximum yield with only a smattering of shield hardeners.
So I ask: What on Earth are people doing that gets them ganked all the time???
Because a ship like the hulk is slow to align, e.g. line up with a station, gate or bookmark, a lot of people align their ship to a station, gate or bookmark because mining lasers operate 360 degrees and being pre-aligned with your emergency escape destination means you can warp out immediately rather than 15 seconds later on.
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Sullen Skoung
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Posted - 2011.02.22 08:22:00 -
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Originally by: Sully Tude I don't see what the fuss is all about. I have never stopped mining during Hulkageddon. Kept mining in hulks, too. Kept getting up for food, forgot what I was getting up for, went and did something else, came back and realized my hulks had been sitting in the belt for a good 30 minutes afk.
I've only once lost a hulk to a suicide gank, and that was just some random passing gang, not even during Hulkageddon.
I mine on average 3 or 4 hours per day. More on weekends. I don't bother watching d-scan, I definately don't mine "aligned" whatever the heck that is good for, and my hulks are fit for maximum yield with only a smattering of shield hardeners.
So I ask: What on Earth are people doing that gets them ganked all the time???
0/10 troll lol
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Kengutsi Akira
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Posted - 2011.02.22 08:26:00 -
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Edited by: Kengutsi Akira on 22/02/2011 08:32:57 Edited by: Kengutsi Akira on 22/02/2011 08:29:09 Edited by: Kengutsi Akira on 22/02/2011 08:28:16
Originally by: Bella Yar
p.s. u mad?
mad bout what? Ive never lost a ship to this. p.s. u mad?
(makes about as much sense as when u sed it lol)
Originally by: Teh Paintress We are getting to the point where people may not even know they can be safe.
k, lets BE honest. THESE places arent supposed to exist in EVE at ALL You arent supposed TO be safe ITS EVE "safe" is supposed to be a weird 4 letter word that noone knows what it means
Originally by: Zeta Zhul
Because a ship like the hulk is slow to align, e.g. line up with a station, gate or bookmark, a lot of people align their ship to a station, gate or bookmark because mining lasers operate 360 degrees and being pre-aligned with your emergency escape destination means you can warp out immediately rather than 15 seconds later on.
oh come on you didnt buy that did you?
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Kojee
DEATH'S LEGION Hell's Hide-Out
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Posted - 2011.02.22 08:40:00 -
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The OP is a bit of a ******. Just because CCP hasn't done anything about it yet doesn't mean they condone it.
I do think it's a little too easy to kill stuff in high sec, but it should still be valid and viable. On the flip side, though, the root of the problem is lack of pilots in lowsec. Give us pirates more stuff to shoot at and you won't have to worry about getting suicide ganked so much.
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Misstress Iteron
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Posted - 2011.02.22 08:53:00 -
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Hi OP.
I fly an iteron mark V and only an iteron mark V. I would just like to point out that tanking industrial ships is a very easy task and rather that using your time to whine about a problem that is mostly the falt of poor piloting on the part of the hauler I would ask that you support my campain the get turret slots onto deep space transports so that these great ships of trade can fight back.
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Kengutsi Akira
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Posted - 2011.02.22 09:13:00 -
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Originally by: Kojee The OP is a bit of a ******. Just because CCP hasn't done anything about it yet doesn't mean they condone it.
yet? This is the FOURTH YEAR theyve done it. If they cared to do anything about it instead of silently condoning it, they would have lol Like bot farms. ------------------------------------ "You know, my foot oughta vandilize your ass" |
Helicity Boson
Amarr The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.02.22 09:20:00 -
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Originally by: Kengutsi Akira
Originally by: Kojee The OP is a bit of a ******. Just because CCP hasn't done anything about it yet doesn't mean they condone it.
yet? This is the FOURTH YEAR theyve done it. If they cared to do anything about it instead of silently condoning it, they would have lol Like bot farms.
I do two a year. You should learn how to do simple maths and basic research before you open your mouth again. If you don't even know these basic things about the event you're crying about, it really hurts your argument kiddo.
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Kitty McKitty
Gallente Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.02.22 09:35:00 -
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Adapt or cry. Or in the case of the OP, make a crap troll thread. ~~~
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Kizz Amarr
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.02.22 09:45:00 -
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Originally by: Internet White Knight
Originally by: Kizz Amarr A report was published written by CCP Fear, where it was reported they were looking into suicide ganking and other overall security standing issues. CCP wrote ôWe are not happy with the current ease of suicide ganking and the relative ôno hassleö it has become. In many cases, unsuspecting victims have no chance of escape, nor any help from CONCORDE. We want to change this.ö
Could you link the source of that quote? I'd expect a CCP staffmember to know how to spell CONCORD. Otherwise, don't use speechmarks when it's not a direct quote. Falsifying quotes to suit your own agenda won't help you in the long run.
Hi, thankyou for looking at this thread.
The eve web site is http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=577
As shared in my blog at http://flying-in-a-tincan.blogspot.com/2011/02/empty-promises-from-game-devs-in.html
I have not lost a Ship to Hulkageddon 4 and am not crying tears, nor am I justifying it for either the Suicide Gankers, or the Miners and industrialists. I am pointing out that in the time interval between CCP stating strongly they are against the principle of Suicide Ganking, and the current demonstration of support and acceptance by CCP shows remarkable lack of continuity and clarity.
If CCP are unable to make good on promises such as Suicide Ganking et al, how is their promise of WIS going to stack up. CCP seem to instil in its hungry client base the thrill of things to come, but by the time we get there, the mood has changed and an alternate news story is used to drive the focus away from those promises they have already made.
And the Reply I received stating Miners need to be aligned to be able to instantly warp to safety is wrong. The ship needs time to achieve three quarter speed to be able to initiate warp, some fifteen seconds I understand.
From many viewpoints, it appears the suicide ganker has done no wrong until the weapons are hitting or impacting upon the victim. There is no victim until the aggression has started the process of setting the suicide ganker to Red and Concorde being initiated. The victim cannot return fire until that point; else they are initiating the fight.
Before the ship can turn, move away or return fire, the suicide ganker delivers enough force to destroy the ship this 'winning the fight'. The fact that Concorde then stops the initiator is neither here nor there. The suicide gankers assistant, then scoops up the debris and makes off.
The whole process is flawed, the victim is not a victim until damage is being done, and with a powerful alpha-strike, the victim is unrecoverable before any choices become clear in the strategy of survival.
There is no escalation, there is no warning. I don't know, but it seems too many authors on the blogs here, that the use of the game mechanics to inflict a killing blow upon an unarmed ship is neither good nor glorious, but rather cowardly and cheap.
War Declaration was intended as a Null Sector mechanism for use in gaining territorial advantage, now being used as a methodology in High Security space to inflict losses on other Corporations, though many may not like War Decs in High Sec, at least there is a degree of escalation and one that can be countered. With suicide ganking, there is no escalation, just a pitiful demonstration of ranked stupidity, supported by CCP who not only sit on the fence, but fall off and seem to hide behind it when it suits.
Fly Safe
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