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Corina's Bodyguard
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Posted - 2011.02.16 03:15:00 -
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EvE works fine on XP.
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Jovan Geldon
Gallente
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2011.02.16 03:16:00 -
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Originally by: Alotta Baggage
Edited by: Alotta Baggage on 16/02/2011 02:24:57
Originally by: Jovan Geldon
Really? 23 posts and no one's said it yet? Oh well, I guess it's up to me.
*Ahem*
Can I have your stuff?
You got beaten by the second poster 
Originally by: Grace Wing
Can I have yours stuff and that of your kids?
The shame is considerable, I assure you.
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Doddy
Excidium.
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Posted - 2011.02.16 03:19:00 -
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Edited by: Doddy on 16/02/2011 03:25:30
Originally by: leavcraft
Originally by: captain foivos
Risk varies proportionately with reward?
Not in his EVE it shouldn't!
not sure how this is relevant to my post, never once mentioned risk, reward, ISK or anything like that. Only the game not working properly and a sudden push to low sec space which is not a place we choose throw away ships in. I guess YOUR EVE is the only one that matters?
I don't know why people are so scared of lo sec tbh, in all the time i was a lo sec mission runner (and back then there were real pirates) i never lost a pve ship. Its one thing to not want to go to lo-sec and quite another to pretend the hundreds of people happily missioning (or doing exploration) there without losing ships every day don't exist. Even if you do eventually lose your ship, you have made more isk so are probably better off anyway.
There are thousands of agents in hi sec who don't give missions in lo sec, use those. If making 10% less isk doing so somehow affects your enjoyment of the game you probably should quit.
I dunno what your technical issues are, i run 2 accounts fine, 3 at a push on an xp machine that is 6 years old, has a faulty fan and has not been upgraded in any way. It has also been used and abused by me, a complete technophobe all its life and my net connection is awful (250meg on a good day). Eve is very easy on hardware.
CCP has never "supported" multiple clients.
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Cambarus
Thunderfury Blessed Blade of the Windseeker
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Posted - 2011.02.16 03:28:00 -
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Click HERE for more of OP's butthurt.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: The only one stopping you from accessing the content you want is YOU. Let me know how hello kitty online works out for you. You will be sorely missed guy whom no one knows because he never interacts with anyone because he has a phobia of that second dreaded M in MMORPG. |
Richard Christy
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Posted - 2011.02.16 03:46:00 -
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Be grateful. Now you, and your offspring, can get on with your lives. Do stuff that really matters.
Amusingly censored words:
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Mister Normal
Metanoia.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.02.16 04:02:00 -
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To the OP,
Have you thought about joining a large Nul sec alliance? Alot of them hold space that is great for ratting and missioning too. The big difference between nul sec and low sec is that in Nul sec you have ALOT of friends around you, and you can easily dodge enemies.
In general, i find 0.0 space is more rewarding that high sec, or low sec, and even L5 missioning.
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Kengutsi Akira
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Posted - 2011.02.16 04:35:00 -
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(maybe off topic)
know the downside to the "i pay to play" argument?
So do the ppl that dont play like you do and want to kill you.
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leavcraft
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Posted - 2011.02.16 05:03:00 -
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for what its worth. my petitions regarding the desktop crashes were politely worded and with one exception got an autoreply until the tech type GM provided the imformation I listed in the post.
I admitted up front in my post that I am angry because something that was fun has suddenly become a hassle.
My computer and XP operating system have run EVE just fine until Incursion release, thats a software change, not a hardware change. I a not alone on this issue, there are several threads regarding it.
As to the missioning, Because all of my experiences in low sec have been negative, I have no desire to go there.
As to my stuff, not sure what to do since family and friends have given me all of theirs.
Hate to see all that ISK and hardware go to waste.
Finally, if I had gotten anything other than cursory dismissal from the "official" channels I probably never would have posted in the forums at all, but one GM response suggested that is exactly what I should do. I can see that the community is just as responsive as CCP customer service.
Not too gentle suggestions to just leave the game.
I guess no one really wants people like me to just grind out ships and ammo and run our haulers around providing easy access to same.
Perhaps the game is better served by letting those that prey on we gentle types determine what is the "best" way to enjoy the game.
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Axemaster
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Posted - 2011.02.16 05:23:00 -
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Originally by: leavcraft
I guess no one really wants people like me to just grind out ships and ammo and run our haulers around providing easy access to same.
Most of what you are doing, grinding out ships and ammo and running haulers - most of that is predominantly done by bots. So people are laughing at you because you say you are "playing the game" when you are really just doing what dozens of macros do every day.
Originally by: leavcraft
Perhaps the game is better served by letting those that prey on we gentle types determine what is the "best" way to enjoy the game.
This is already the case, and has been since the game was created in 2003.
You should be aware that this game is supposed to make you use your brain. It's perfectly possible to find mission agents that won't send you to lowsec. Complaining about it is not the answer, and just makes you look dumb. Hence all the trolls in this thread.
As for the rest, I do sympathize with the CTD problems - I nearly lost a ship yesterday in 0.0 due to this (I crashed on a gate, then logged back in to see a dramiel waiting for me). It is indeed extremely annoying, and it is apparently cross-platform (I am on a Mac). But it's also sure to get fixed soon enough, so I don't let it bother me.
Not sure about the XP support issues, but you should just keep pushing at the GMs, without getting too mad at them. Making the GMs mad is never a good plan.
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Omega Sunset
Caldari Roughnecks
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Posted - 2011.02.16 05:24:00 -
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Originally by: leavcraft
Finally, if I had gotten anything other than cursory dismissal from the "official" channels I probably never would have posted in the forums at all, but one GM response suggested that is exactly what I should do. I can see that the community is just as responsive as CCP customer service.
What, you didn't find my reply helpful? I'm certified and seasoned tech support actually (not for CCP), the response was textbook. If that didn't help, you probably need to drop the system into a trash compactor quite honestly.
As for changes to the client, yes there were some hardware requirement changes. Though if you could log in at all, you probably have support for those changes. Not sure if there are any issues with older systems though, haven't been following it.
As for nulsec, it's not the same as lowsec. The suggestion to move to nulsec is actually a reasonable one.
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Kesshisan
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.02.16 05:28:00 -
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Originally by: leavcraft
Finally, if I had gotten anything other than cursory dismissal from the "official" channels I probably never would have posted in the forums at all, but one GM response suggested that is exactly what I should do. I can see that the community is just as responsive as CCP customer service.
Not too gentle suggestions to just leave the game.
I guess no one really wants people like me to just grind out ships and ammo and run our haulers around providing easy access to same.
Perhaps the game is better served by letting those that prey on we gentle types determine what is the "best" way to enjoy the game.
I cannot speak to any of your other problems, but perhaps I can help you with agents.
I found an awesome L4 command agent with a decent quality level in a 0.5 system that takes at least 4 jumps before you get to low sec. This means that the L4 0.5 command agent never sends me to low sec.
The agents you want to fly missions for are out there. You just need to do some searching to find them.
However, your posts make it come off as if you are unwilling to take the time to do any research to find any agents like the one I described above.
Before you fly missions, do you do any research to see which ammo and resists you should be using?
Before you buy a ship, do you do any research to make sure it'll do what you want?
Before you buy a ship, do you do any research to make sure you're getting a fair price?
I bet that you do research all the time for EvE. This change is just another thing you need to use research to overcome. If you are willing to put in the research, and a bit of standings grinding, I bet you, and your family, can be back to non-stop L4 mission running in under a week.
I wish you and your family good luck, no matter your choice.
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knobber Jobbler
Executive Intervention
Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2011.02.16 06:54:00 -
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you could try a different mission agent that isn't near low sec.
not sure about your other issues.
probably posting here won't help. ccp doesn't pay much attention unless you petition and this forum is full of juvenile trolls trying to make witty comments as they have little else to do.
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Kendar
Gallente
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.02.16 07:28:00 -
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If you do missions together why not fly pvp fited ships and just kill those evil pvp'ers?
Pvp is quite a lot of fun, you should try it
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Siona Windweaver
Placeholder Holdings
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Posted - 2011.02.16 07:44:00 -
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You have to understand, there are tons of petitions trying to fool GMs into reimbursing their ships. I know tons of people that makes petitions on every small lag or visual bug they see, its only natural that CCP has implemented these rules regarding reimbursement.
Secondly, because of the huge variety on hardware and software setup, there is no way to determine the problem with 100% accuracy. Most, if not all companies usually blame the customers PC setup and move on. Realistically, there is nothing they can do, even if they took the time and tried to resolve any software issues, problem might be because of a hardware compatibility issue (and yes, even though your PC works/worked fine, there can be compatibility issues on certain applications).
Now, from the look of it, you either have a heating problem (anything from CPU to Power Supply), a driver problem (outdated ones), runtime problem (directx, get the latest version even if you think you have) or a problem with Windows XP becoming more bloated.
YOU, have to spend time and troubleshoot all these things, before coming into forums whining.
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CCP Spitfire
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.02.16 07:53:00 -
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Offtopic posts deleted, thread moved from 'EVE General Discussion'.
Spitfire
Community Representative
CCP Hf, EVE Online |
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Zora'e
Amarr
Nocturnal Dementia
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Posted - 2011.02.16 08:39:00 -
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Originally by: Sullen Skoung
Originally by: leavcraft
We do not support Windows XP
first, XP is obsolete
theres been two entirely new OSes since. Its not CCP's fault you arent willing to roll with the times.
Windows Vista = Bill Gates Crap on the world.
Windows 7 = What Vista should have been.
However, for some people, paying for a new operating system isn't always financially possible, especially if they have to upgrade their hardware as well. For me the issue isn't hardware (though mine is starting to be dated) it's coming up with $110.00 to buy Windows 7 when I am struggling to keep ahead of my bills on a reduced income due to cut hours. I had to save for 4 months just to buy a $70.00 video card to replace my old one. I've considered stopping EVE for 4 months to save the RL iskies to upgrade the OS though. That is always a possibility I guess.
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Doddy
Excidium.
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Posted - 2011.02.16 15:53:00 -
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All very well, except eve works just fine on xp, even with the "unsupported" dual clients. Far more likely is something along the lines of the SSE2 thing (Linkage) which is always a possibility when using older pcs to do just about anything.
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leavcraft
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Posted - 2011.02.16 16:10:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Kesshisan
Originally by: leavcraft
Finally, if I had gotten anything other than cursory dismissal from the "official" channels I probably never would have posted in the forums at all, but one GM response suggested that is exactly what I should do. I can see that the community is just as responsive as CCP customer service.
Not too gentle suggestions to just leave the game.
I guess no one really wants people like me to just grind out ships and ammo and run our haulers around providing easy access to same.
Perhaps the game is better served by letting those that prey on we gentle types determine what is the "best" way to enjoy the game.
thanks for a thoughtful reply, we chose the agents we were using via eve-agent and based our choice on the quality and number of agents within 2 jumps from the same npc corp, along with nearness to our research agents. So yes, research was done.
We accepted that some low sec missions would be offered and subsequently declined. Our issue in that segment of my complaint is that since the Incursion release, the low sec offerings are now over 75% instead of well under 50%. Since the population didnt dramatically change in the course of a week, we are surmising that a change to mission assignment took place along with the removal of lvl 5's from high sec. In the absence of any official notification, we can only go by the numbers.
I cannot speak to any of your other problems, but perhaps I can help you with agents.
I found an awesome L4 command agent with a decent quality level in a 0.5 system that takes at least 4 jumps before you get to low sec. This means that the L4 0.5 command agent never sends me to low sec.
The agents you want to fly missions for are out there. You just need to do some searching to find them.
However, your posts make it come off as if you are unwilling to take the time to do any research to find any agents like the one I described above.
Before you fly missions, do you do any research to see which ammo and resists you should be using?
Before you buy a ship, do you do any research to make sure it'll do what you want?
Before you buy a ship, do you do any research to make sure you're getting a fair price?
I bet that you do research all the time for EvE. This change is just another thing you need to use research to overcome. If you are willing to put in the research, and a bit of standings grinding, I bet you, and your family, can be back to non-stop L4 mission running in under a week.
I wish you and your family good luck, no matter your choice.
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Gibbo5771
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Posted - 2011.02.16 16:15:00 -
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Change to a diff mission hub?
Move PI somewhere else?
Your basically complaining that some content you have been taking advantage of, has been fixed.
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leavcraft
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Posted - 2011.02.16 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: Siona Windweaver
You have to understand, there are tons of petitions trying to fool GMs into reimbursing their ships. I know tons of people that makes petitions on every small lag or visual bug they see, its only natural that CCP has implemented these rules regarding reimbursement.
Secondly, because of the huge variety on hardware and software setup, there is no way to determine the problem with 100% accuracy. Most, if not all companies usually blame the customers PC setup and move on. Realistically, there is nothing they can do, even if they took the time and tried to resolve any software issues, problem might be because of a hardware compatibility issue (and yes, even though your PC works/worked fine, there can be compatibility issues on certain applications).
given that we are three players at different locations on 4 different machine set ups ranging from relatively new to one that is 2 years old all experiencing the same problems, it seems more likely that something in the game changed to exacerbate some issues with XP running dual clients. We have the most recent drivers for our vid cards (that are all gaming cards not general graphics cards)
The specific ship loss complaint that I registered was looked at by a GM who determined that yes, one ship was safely put into space warping and the other was left in the mission until dead. Not being able to determine why that happened resulted in no compensation. I told the gm at the time, I have the ISK, that wasnt the issue, it was about prevention. Thats when i got the response about not supporting dual clients and xp.
The part that grated on me at the time was the statement that unless it was a server side error there would be no reimbursement, yet the gm stated that the reason I lost one ship of the two is because they were routed to two different servers in the crash. So, isnt that a server issue if one puts you safely in space and the other leaves you in the mission?
As such, my complaint about customer support is still the issue. Perhaps you could explain to me what I could have done to troubleshoot that particular issue?
Now, from the look of it, you either have a heating problem (anything from CPU to Power Supply), a driver problem (outdated ones), runtime problem (directx, get the latest version even if you think you have) or a problem with Windows XP becoming more bloated.
YOU, have to spend time and troubleshoot all these things, before coming into forums whining.
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leavcraft
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Posted - 2011.02.16 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: Gibbo5771
Change to a diff mission hub?
Move PI somewhere else?
Your basically complaining that some content you have been taking advantage of, has been fixed.
how was i taking advantage of content that existed from the time I started playing with no knowledge that it was perceived as a bug? am I supposed to check the forums before I accept any mission?
Why should I have to move my base, my PI, my production, get farther from my research agents if a game mechanic around mission assignments for lvl 1 - 4 missions was inadvertently changed? perhaps that is a new bug that was introduced while fixing the other mission assignment bug. I still havent heard anything from a CCP source about why the sudden increase in low sec offerings from high sec agents is taking place. The community has suggested a population change in that region, but the numbers in local chat (most of whom I know from being there over a year) havent gone up, they have gone down.
Ignore the level 5 issue, its understood, I am asking about the rest of the missions.
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leavcraft
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Posted - 2011.02.16 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: Doddy
All very well, except eve works just fine on xp, even with the "unsupported" dual clients. Far more likely is something along the lines of the SSE2 thing (Linkage) which is always a possibility when using older pcs to do just about anything.
thanks for the link, we have determined that the SSE2 thing was impacting a very new machine because the internal system was not reading the commands appropriately having been retro modified by another game installation. One machine working again and running Windows 7 64 bit OS having no trouble with dual clients.
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Neolithic Man
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Posted - 2011.02.16 18:56:00 -
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Edited by: Neolithic Man on 16/02/2011 18:56:26
Originally by: leavcraft
Originally by: Gibbo5771
Change to a diff mission hub?
Move PI somewhere else?
Your basically complaining that some content you have been taking advantage of, has been fixed.
how was i taking advantage of content that existed from the time I started playing with no knowledge that it was perceived as a bug? am I supposed to check the forums before I accept any mission?
No, but you're supposed to just accept it when they finally fix the bug. Be happy for all the goodies you got, and move on.
Originally by: leavcraft
Why should I have to move my base, my PI, my production, get farther from my research agents if a game mechanic around mission assignments for lvl 1 - 4 missions was inadvertently changed?
Uh... because that's the sensible thing to do?
Originally by: leavcraft
perhaps that is a new bug that was introduced while fixing the other mission assignment bug. I still havent heard anything from a CCP source about why the sudden increase in low sec offerings from high sec agents is taking place. The community has suggested a population change in that region, but the numbers in local chat (most of whom I know from being there over a year) havent gone up, they have gone down.
Look, instead of whining about it, why don't you just suck it up and move to a new system. It'll only take an hour or two at most. Don't be so damn lazy!
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leavcraft
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Posted - 2011.02.16 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: Neolithic Man
Edited by: Neolithic Man on 16/02/2011 18:56:26
Originally by: leavcraft
Originally by: Gibbo5771
Change to a diff mission hub?
Move PI somewhere else?
Your basically complaining that some content you have been taking advantage of, has been fixed.
how was i taking advantage of content that existed from the time I started playing with no knowledge that it was perceived as a bug? am I supposed to check the forums before I accept any mission?
No, but you're supposed to just accept it when they finally fix the bug. Be happy for all the goodies you got, and move on.
I have accepted the lvl 5 change. lets move on
Originally by: leavcraft
Why should I have to move my base, my PI, my production, get farther from my research agents if a game mechanic around mission assignments for lvl 1 - 4 missions was inadvertently changed?
Uh... because that's the sensible thing to do?
If the lvl 1 - 4 mission assignment logic has changed, then yes, I should pack up and move. If it is bugged for some reason, then someone should look into it. If it will take another couple of years, then i will move, would just like a CCP answer and not players telling me to just throw in the towel because something seems to be wrong.
Originally by: leavcraft
perhaps that is a new bug that was introduced while fixing the other mission assignment bug. I still havent heard anything from a CCP source about why the sudden increase in low sec offerings from high sec agents is taking place. The community has suggested a population change in that region, but the numbers in local chat (most of whom I know from being there over a year) havent gone up, they have gone down.
Look, instead of whining about it, why don't you just suck it up and move to a new system. It'll only take an hour or two at most. Don't be so damn lazy!
its not about being lazy, its about finding out what is really happening before i make such a move, and yes, it will take more than an hour. It has already taken several hours just to move ships to a new mission location.
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thatbloke
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.02.17 13:33:00 -
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I think you'll find that they DO support Windows XP.
But you must have at least Service pack 2 installed. TBH if you don't have XP service pack 3 installed then you should not be using a computer anyway.
Originally by: CCP Shadow
I think we'd be better off with a troll shard.
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leavcraft
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Posted - 2011.02.17 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: thatbloke
Edited by: thatbloke on 17/02/2011 13:42:13
Edited by: thatbloke on 17/02/2011 13:41:33
Edited by: thatbloke on 17/02/2011 13:40:01
I think you'll find that they DO support Windows XP.
In which case my complaint about customer service is valid. It was a GM response that said "Windows XP is no longer a supported operating system". I would be happy to post the email including the GM's name.
But you must have at least Service pack 2 installed. TBH if you don't have at least XP service pack 3 plus all relevant security updates installed then you should not be using a computer anyway.
My service packs and updates are current.
EDIT: linky to System requirements page
It REALLY does not cost much to upgrade to something way more modern that will last another few years.
Every year I update my hardware.
In addition, you mention that you are suddenly receiving lots of crashes and the like - I and many many others have experienced no such crashes - it's therefore entirely correct that we assume you have a problem at YOUR end of the line as opposed to a problem with EVE itself.
Many of us started crashing with the implementation of Incursion, feel free to look at any of a dozen threads on that subject. (some calling them disconnects) As well as a sudden increase in lag when using various parts of the UI (particularly chat and drone windows)
In addition: there are PLENTY of mission agents that are not near lowsec. If you really are getting that many losec missions, MOVE.
yes, i have been told to move by numerous respondants. None of whom seem to want to respond to the question of whether the mission assignment logic has in fact been changed, which is my primary question on the mission aspect of my post. If it has changed, then why>? If it hasn't changed, then why is the offering so lopsided since the Incursion implementation.
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Neolithic Man
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Posted - 2011.02.17 23:53:00 -
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Originally by: leavcraft
yes, i have been told to move by numerous respondants. None of whom seem to want to respond to the question of whether the mission assignment logic has in fact been changed, which is my primary question on the mission aspect of my post. If it has changed, then why>? If it hasn't changed, then why is the offering so lopsided since the Incursion implementation.
What we are telling you is that no, nobody has heard anything about any mission logic changes. In which case it most likely hasn't been changed.
If it hasn't been changed, then you are just seeing some kind of statistical effect, which may or may not go away eventually depending on the source of the effect (i.e. player population distribution changed, or just a run of bad luck).
If it has been changed, then "someone somewhere" probably had a good reason for it, and the adjustment was made after observing the effects of the original mission logic fix. In which case the chances of it being reverted are very near zero.
Moreover, continuing to whine, here and in other threads, is just plain annoying. Please stop.
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Hakaru Ishiwara
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.02.18 04:19:00 -
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Originally by: Jessica Pink
Sounds to me like you're raising your sons to be a couple of *****es, you may want to start doing some manly things with them (like pvp) before they both bring a boyfriend home. I'm just saying...
This made me chuckle.
And who says that bringing a boyfriend home isn't the most manly thing that a son could do? Male bonding at the extreme end [tip] of things and when in the dominant position is very masculine.
Responding to the OP: CCP's game design people *do not care* about how people like to play the game. Seriously. They design, re-design and nerf stuff in such a way that entire play styles can be completely ruined. It is the CCP way, so either you adapt to their challenged game design methods and poor customer expectation management OR you find another game. It is that simple with CCP.
And consider saving up for new hardware and OS. Running Windows XP, no matter what the fan bois say, is going to become more and more of a hassle as time wears on. Yes, I fully understand that the world wide economy is utter **** and that people's income potential greatly varies.
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