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Tony SoXai
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Posted - 2011.02.13 00:56:00 -
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What?
Yeah, that's right! You all ready for this? It is the best all-time Enyo setup created in the whole of today!
[Enyo, Hero] Internal Force Field Array I Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Overdrive Injector System II
Gistii B-Type 1MN Afterburner J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S [empty high slot]
Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
Hobgoblin II x1
There it is, for anyone who would like to try out the Enyo but never got around to it, I have used this fit, not for an incredibly long time, but long enough now for me to know it inside and out and have fallen in love with it.
I only wish I could fit a nos in the last highslot but it isn't that hard to keep the scram running long enough on cruiser for them to pop.
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Cyrus Mierre
The Forsaken Legion
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Posted - 2011.02.13 02:03:00 -
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No tank, no speed, no range?
eek!
/me hides
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Zhim'Fufu
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Posted - 2011.02.13 02:37:00 -
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I suppose as the damage dealer in a frig gang its ok.
Originally by: Response to bitter carebear tears in local [19:44:46] CCP Incognito > sorry i can't talk about game mechanics. you need to use your brains and figure it out.
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Tony SoXai
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Posted - 2011.02.13 04:47:00 -
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Edited by: Tony SoXai on 13/02/2011 04:47:18
Originally by: Cyrus Mierre No tank, no speed, no range?
eek!
/me hides
7000 ehp. Double the EHP of hull tanked DDs or Ranises.
And 1075 m/s is faster than a Jaguar with a T2 AB and no speedmod so it's not that slow.
And I'm pretty sure every weapon system has a range (optimal, falloff), so I don't see why you think blasters are different.
Also, 320 dps.
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Mara Abraham
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.02.13 05:06:00 -
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Greetings:
How many pvp kills have you been able to get solo with that fit?
Thank you.
Originally by: Tony SoXai What?
Yeah, that's right! You all ready for this? It is the best all-time Enyo setup created in the whole of today!
[Enyo, Hero] Internal Force Field Array I Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Overdrive Injector System II
Gistii B-Type 1MN Afterburner J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S [empty high slot]
Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
Hobgoblin II x1
There it is, for anyone who would like to try out the Enyo but never got around to it, I have used this fit, not for an incredibly long time, but long enough now for me to know it inside and out and have fallen in love with it.
I only wish I could fit a nos in the last highslot but it isn't that hard to keep the scram running long enough on cruiser for them to pop.
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Tony SoXai
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Posted - 2011.02.13 05:16:00 -
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Yo Mara.
I've won around 15 fights with this Enyo, 10-11 of them resulting in actually kills and about half of those being cruisers, the other half AF/inti. (I don't count killing T1 frigs because that really doesn't matter too much.)
It's good for ganking other frigs and AF, but you need to pick and choose who you fight carefully. For instance web ishkur may cause problems for you if it's a good pilot whereas TD Ishkurs think they can speed tank you and end up dying horribly.
It really shines when you go after bigger ships like cruisers and stuff though.
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2011.02.13 06:40:00 -
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Originally by: Tony SoXai It really shines when you go after bigger ships like cruisers and stuff though.
Well, I suppose the bright explosion you'll make counts as "shining" by some standards...
Like it or not, against a non-fail cruiser/BC, you're dead. They're considerably faster (even the slowest BCs are still equal at worst, and Drakes don't exactly care about tracking), so all they have to do is fly directly away from you and your 7000 EHP is gone in 10-15 seconds. Best-case scenario, you use your agility advantage to get out of point range and warp out before you die.
And you don't exactly do much better against battleships. Sure, you have the speed to catch most of them (though a speed-fit Tempest will make you cry), but good luck dealing with the heavy neuts and Warrior IIs even if you manage to get under their guns before you insta-pop. -----------
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Tony SoXai
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Posted - 2011.02.13 06:50:00 -
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First of all, that argument should go for any AB frigate, yet I don't see you complaining about any other AFs.
Second, do you play this game? It's incredibly easy to catch cruiser pilots and kill their drones, and you make it sound as if ALL of them are very kite-oriented.
All you've gotta do is either catch them at a belt or play the warp around game and make them land right on top of you.
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2011.02.13 07:00:00 -
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Originally by: Tony SoXai First of all, that argument should go for any AB frigate, yet I don't see you complaining about any other AFs.
Err, what? I suppose I can understand not wanting to dig up my posting history, but I hate AB AFs. Every single one of them.
Quote: Second, do you play this game? It's incredibly easy to catch cruiser pilots and kill their drones, and you make it sound as if ALL of them are very kite-oriented.
They don't have to be kite-oriented, since fitting a MWD is all they need. If the pilot is smart enough to hit "keep at range: 20km" when you show up on grid, you can not keep transversal high enough to survive.
Quote: All you've gotta do is either catch them at a belt or play the warp around game and make them land right on top of you.
So let me get this straight: your strategy for winning consists of "hope the target is stupid enough to warp to a belt at 0"? -----------
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Tony SoXai
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Posted - 2011.02.13 07:21:00 -
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Edited by: Tony SoXai on 13/02/2011 07:22:07 LOLZ Idunno man, I've never experienced that before. In my experience cruiser pilots are easy as pie to scram and web, and most of the time willingly.
And your tactic largely relies on them fitting a long point which isn't that popular. But hey man... just lol.
AB frigates own, idunno why you don't like them. You obviously have no experience with them if you hate them because you think they can't catch anything.
You're still missing the point; this is an enyo setup thread, not an afterburner AF thread.
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Lilith Velkor
Minmatar Heretic Army
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Posted - 2011.02.13 07:36:00 -
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Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 13/02/2011 07:39:41
Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Quote: All you've gotta do is either catch them at a belt or play the warp around game and make them land right on top of you.
So let me get this straight: your strategy for winning consists of "hope the target is stupid enough to warp to a belt at 0"?
You'd be surprised how often that works. As you chase targets around a lot of them use the same distances when they are under stress. The ones that dont make these basic mistakes are those that are off to a station or safespot after the first hop anyway.
Also works the other way around with kiters, run from them a few times while they try to land within 20km, then switch it up and warp 20km short and they land on you at 0km.
Never underestimate stupidity, or the effect that falling into panic has on peoples judgement.
But best option still is using a cov ops to either find out what their warpin habits are, or even probe them and warp your combat frigate straight on top.
@OP: The speed you quote for that setup seems a bit low, on my cheap clone it does almost 1500ms. Remember you can overheat that AB for a long time.
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Stuart Price
Caldari FLA5HY RED The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.02.13 08:20:00 -
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I always like to see people getting some success with underrated ships. I think that, personally, I'd still prefer a Wolf for this kind of work. Mostly selectable damage, better engagement envelope, less vulnerable to neuting and faster while still being tough enough and throwing out enough dps to get the job done. In a head-to-head I think the Wolf would edge it as well.
That said, there's still a lot to be said for Null, which while not as awesome as Scorch or Barrage, is still awesome.
Then again I'm a total Slicer addict. I just hate being unable to escape a fight that suddenly goes south (LOLBLOB LANDING) and scorching AB-frigs never gets old. This is also why my favourite AF is the Harpy (which also makes a decent AB-frig should you so desire). Putting the 'irate' into 'Pirate' |
TaluxA
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Posted - 2011.02.13 08:47:00 -
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A neutron enyo is actually pretty cool, although I'd prefer to run a tracking enhancer instead of the second magstab, which will let you hit out hard to the edge of scram range with null. Plus it's cheaper. I dunno about the iffa and complex ab. I guess it's fine if you've got isk but I usually don't like spending too much on a 10 mil (-3 mil insurance) hull.
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Lilith Velkor
Minmatar Heretic Army
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Posted - 2011.02.13 09:16:00 -
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Originally by: TaluxA A neutron enyo is actually pretty cool, although I'd prefer to run a tracking enhancer instead of the second magstab, which will let you hit out hard to the edge of scram range with null. Plus it's cheaper. I dunno about the iffa and complex ab. I guess it's fine if you've got isk but I usually don't like spending too much on a 10 mil (-3 mil insurance) hull.
The TE is probably a good idea considering you gain the cpu to fiddle a bit with rigs and squeeze a nos in there.
Complex afterburner is really a good idea if it is not a t1 frigate, that extra speed you get gives you just the edge you need sometimes especially when you cant counterweb.
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Worpout
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Posted - 2011.02.13 13:30:00 -
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I bet you cant kill my ruppy, even if we are starting the fight at 0 ^^
Yes, that was a challence, btw
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Terianna Eri
Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2011.02.13 17:29:00 -
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Originally by: Worpout I bet you cant kill my ruppy, even if we are starting the fight at 0 ^^
Yes, that was a challence, btw
I bet he can't kill a curse, either. What's your point? ________________
Originally by: CCP Incognito PS the "time to P*nis" is the shortest time recorded in human history. :)
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Wacktopia
Dark Side Of The Womb
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Posted - 2011.02.15 12:14:00 -
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Personally I would go the nos+small repper route but I know this will nerf your dps.
If you're happy for fights and don't mind losing a few then this is probably fun (its 400 dps with void OL haha).
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Lost Greybeard
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Posted - 2011.02.15 12:41:00 -
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That actually seems like it might be fun. Though I imagine it's a pretty rough commitment like most blaster setups, once you're in there disengaging is not really an option.
I can buy that a cruiser might not have a web on 'em, but even given that do you not have issues with the t2 small drone swarm? ---
If you outlaw tautologies, only outlaws will have tautologies. ~Anonymous |
Tony SoXai
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Posted - 2011.02.15 14:48:00 -
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Yeah, I haven't tried my luck against any Ruppy yet. I would probably get smashed by neuts if he's got them. But that's why you study your enemy, look up their fits and everything, before starting a fight you're not sure about.
You are usually committed to the fight yes, that is why I choose the full gank over any armor plates/reps; if you're gonna lose, it's probably from being kited and the SAR won't save you in this instance, so it's better to just be able to smash your enemies when you can. Think of it as an oversized Taranis without the MWD, but a lot more ehp and dps, and a lot less speed.
Also if you are to kill a cruiser in this, kill the drones straight away with CN AM, then switch to void and rip their guts out.
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Russel Williams
Minmatar Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.02.15 16:14:00 -
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Edited by: Russel Williams on 15/02/2011 16:16:20
Originally by: Tony SoXai Edited by: Tony SoXai on 13/02/2011 04:47:18
Originally by: Cyrus Mierre No tank, no speed, no range?
eek!
/me hides
7000 ehp. Double the EHP of hull tanked DDs or Ranises.
And 1075 m/s is faster than a Jaguar with a T2 AB and no speedmod so it's not that slow.
And I'm pretty sure every weapon system has a range (optimal, falloff), so I don't see why you think blasters are different.
Also, 320 dps.
My Jag goes 1,337m/s(With a C-Type AB, don't see why you are comparing a Gistii B-Type AB to a T2 AB Jag), has 14.5k EHP and can easily kite you outside of your blaster range while eating away at you. Oh and not to mention will passively regen anything you actually hit me with unlike your buffer. [url=http://gallente.eve-kill.net?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=178287] [/url] |
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Predator989
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Posted - 2011.02.15 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Originally by: Tony SoXai It really shines when you go after bigger ships like cruisers and stuff though.
Well, I suppose the bright explosion you'll make counts as "shining" by some standards...
Like it or not, against a non-fail cruiser/BC, you're dead. They're considerably faster (even the slowest BCs are still equal at worst, and Drakes don't exactly care about tracking), so all they have to do is fly directly away from you and your 7000 EHP is gone in 10-15 seconds. Best-case scenario, you use your agility advantage to get out of point range and warp out before you die.
And you don't exactly do much better against battleships. Sure, you have the speed to catch most of them (though a speed-fit Tempest will make you cry), but good luck dealing with the heavy neuts and Warrior IIs even if you manage to get under their guns before you insta-pop.
Your thoughts of a drake against an enyo = LOL. Have you ever shot an AF with an AB fit with missiles? Its laughable dps at best. It would however kill him based on the drakes ehp and if it can keep the enyo in point range. An active tank fit AF could laugh and hold you down forever.
Your second opnion is valid because the tempest is just an amazing ship since it can field 2 heavy neuts and never have to worry about cap for its guns lol
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Tony SoXai
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Posted - 2011.02.15 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: Russel Williams 1337 m/s
Nice. :P
Still, how proud are you that your Jaguar can kite a blaster Enyo? Pretty pathetic IMO. Jags are off-limits to this enyo, unless it's a newb pilot who probably has so-so navigation skills and has a poor fit.
And judging from your stats you use a double mse fit, which can't kite an Ishkur and dies. It's all situational, and the comparison is quite unfair.
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Mutant Caldari
Caldari Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.02.15 19:43:00 -
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Originally by: Tony SoXai
Originally by: Russel Williams 1337 m/s
Nice. :P
Still, how proud are you that your Jaguar can kite a blaster Enyo? Pretty pathetic IMO. Jags are off-limits to this enyo, unless it's a newb pilot who probably has so-so navigation skills and has a poor fit.
And judging from your stats you use a double mse fit, which can't kite an Ishkur and dies. It's all situational, and the comparison is quite unfair.
Very proud, actually. Thats what Minnies do best . It might die to an Ishkur, might. Depends on how fast the drones get popped and the like. Pop the drones, overheat on the Ishkur and have fun with it . Anyway, you mentioned the Jag first so I had to chime in with it Yeah I am a pirate. What are you gonna do about it? Killboard link is not allowed to be used in a signature.Applebabe
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Templar Dane
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2011.02.15 22:05:00 -
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Edited by: Templar Dane on 15/02/2011 22:06:27
Originally by: Merin Ryskin I hate AB AFs. Every single one of them.
They're pretty good in the FW medium plexes, as long as you're at zero on the beacon. Also, if you can count on the target wanting to fight and in scram range they're pretty good.
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2011.02.15 22:38:00 -
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Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 15/02/2011 22:38:44
Originally by: Templar Dane They're pretty good in the FW medium plexes, as long as you're at zero on the beacon.
And your opponent is clueless enough to warp into a situation where they know their target could be sitting at zero in a ship that isn't capable of handling an AB AF up close. If your opponent isn't that clueless, they either bring a ship which is happy to warp in at zero, or they just ignore you and move on. If they are, does it really matter what ship you bring?
Quote: Also, if you can count on the target wanting to fight and in scram range they're pretty good.
One small problem here: assuming your opponent isn't an idiot, the only reason your target is going to want to fight you in scram range is because they know they have the advantage at that range. -----------
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Stuart Price
Caldari FLA5HY RED The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.02.16 03:47:00 -
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Originally by: Predator989
Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Originally by: Tony SoXai It really shines when you go after bigger ships like cruisers and stuff though.
Well, I suppose the bright explosion you'll make counts as "shining" by some standards...
Like it or not, against a non-fail cruiser/BC, you're dead. They're considerably faster (even the slowest BCs are still equal at worst, and Drakes don't exactly care about tracking), so all they have to do is fly directly away from you and your 7000 EHP is gone in 10-15 seconds. Best-case scenario, you use your agility advantage to get out of point range and warp out before you die.
And you don't exactly do much better against battleships. Sure, you have the speed to catch most of them (though a speed-fit Tempest will make you cry), but good luck dealing with the heavy neuts and Warrior IIs even if you manage to get under their guns before you insta-pop.
Your thoughts of a drake against an enyo = LOL. Have you ever shot an AF with an AB fit with missiles? Its laughable dps at best. It would however kill him based on the drakes ehp and if it can keep the enyo in point range. An active tank fit AF could laugh and hold you down forever.
Your second opnion is valid because the tempest is just an amazing ship since it can field 2 heavy neuts and never have to worry about cap for its guns lol
I've shot at AB-frigs with heavy missiles. They die, active tank or not. Mostly because I also fit neuts and webs and have some light drones with me on top of almost maxed out missile skills. Properly fitted Drakes (properly fitted ANY BC really) have absolutely nothing to fear from a single AF, regardless of fit. Multiple AF's are an entirely different story, but that's the same with most ships. Putting the 'irate' into 'Pirate' |
Tony SoXai
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Posted - 2011.02.16 03:54:00 -
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Drake is the only BC that can reliably kill AB + Nos AF which are competently flown.
Double web ones can do it too but if it's not a Drake it NEEDS double webs.
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Stuart Price
Caldari FLA5HY RED The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.02.16 05:18:00 -
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Originally by: Tony SoXai Drake is the only BC that can reliably kill AB + Nos AF which are competently flown.
Double web ones can do it too but if it's not a Drake it NEEDS double webs.
The way I fit mine it shouldn't be much trouble.
'cane: either armour-cane, in which case double web, double neut, AC's and warriors or nanocane in which case it's just faster. If the fight started in scram range (ie: I messed up and landed on you) staggered dual neuts might get me out of trouble, might not.
'binger: ECM drones - deploy and redeploy until success. Gain transversal, SCORCH SCORCH SCORCH.
Myrm: Obscene tank, all the drones, web, d180's should do it.
Then again, there are some badly fitted BC's out there. There's a place for AB-frigs, but soloing BC's generally isn't it (coming from the guy who lol-killed a Drake with a Crusader just to see if I could). Putting the 'irate' into 'Pirate' |
Kepakh
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Posted - 2011.02.16 09:16:00 -
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Edited by: Kepakh on 16/02/2011 09:18:05
Originally by: Tony SoXai if you're gonna lose, it's probably from being kited and the SAR won't save you in this instance, so it's better to just be able to smash your enemies when you can.
That is why you fit SAR and NOS on your Enyo because any PVP aware target will indeed kite you...but considering your later post, you find such targets 'pathetic'.
Your fit is fine. It isn't 'PVP' fit but gank fit and I bet as such it works well.
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Rashmika Clavain
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.02.16 09:48:00 -
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Edited by: Rashmika Clavain on 16/02/2011 09:51:24 I have to admit that when flying solo in an Enyo, I always prefer the Nos and SAR approach.
EDIT: Damn fell for the ****ing troll:
Meh
...and:
Meh2
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