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Kahar Dex
Amarr Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2011.01.25 23:55:00 -
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During me daily meditation, a thought came upon me as quite simply: Who are the greatest threat?
Is it the ammoral gallenteans who wish to spear head their democratic and moral anarchy? Is it minmatar terrorists intent on remaining free and depraved?
Or...
Is it Kuvakei and his agenda to subjugate all?
The question for me begs the question, what shall Amarrian loyalist corps do in this situation? Naturally, we can not just abandon efforts in The Bleak Lands, Providence, etc, but can we afford to ignore the threat of Nation?
God's will be done. I simply wish we had some guidance as to what it is. If the Sansha slaves are truely mindless and cannot be turned to God, then of what import are they? Naturally, if they could be converted into Amarr slaves, and have their souls purged for God's glory, then it would be an assumption that Sansha and nation would be of equal agenda for we the faithful.
These are merely thoughts and ponderances.
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Nikita Alterana
Risen Angels
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Posted - 2011.01.25 23:57:00 -
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Swing by my ship and I'll be your biggest threat
♥ Nikita
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Rytha Main
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.01.25 23:57:00 -
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I for one, will follow the Empress' leading. She speaks God's will, and will therefore obey. To my knowledge, the Theology Council, nor she has spoken on these matters as of yet. I do however, understand the nature of your question. Amarr shall triumph for God is our Hero, and we are His champions! |
Kahar Dex
Amarr Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2011.01.25 23:59:00 -
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Originally by: Nikita Alterana Swing by my ship and I'll be your biggest threat
♥ Nikita
If by biggest threat, you mean my eyes becoming sore by the aesthetics of your Matari junk ships, then I can understand your point. Even so... "biggest threat"... that's certainly laughable.
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Stitcher
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.26 00:05:00 -
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Ah, good. you didn't mention the Caldari in your list of threats.
looks like The Plan is still working.... -
- Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain.
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Mel Lifera
Gallente Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2011.01.26 00:22:00 -
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Thank the very stars there are those in the Empire who would prefer not to allow their house to burn down while waiting interminably for their god to tell them whether it's okay to activate the fire suppression system...
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Calathea Sata
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Posted - 2011.01.26 00:24:00 -
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Well you see it's rather a question of who you are; if you're Amarr of cause there's your Minmatar people who are angry at you guys and want to kill you all; if you're Caldari you might worry about the Gallente; if you're a normal citizen living in the empire just living your life following your empire's way of life than perhaps Kuvakei is a big threat. Being an Amarr yourself there are several things that can be counted as threats on your hand and at the moment Kuvakei is of no doubt a very big threat to you and to me and to the rest of the empires.
It's almost funny if you step back and take a look at us, humans. We keep fighting eachother over different ideals and ways of life and there's just no end to this, even with something so "inhuman" like Sansha's Nation they also possess the same natural habit to turn it into an "us or them" situation; perhaps we humans is just a kind of animal that simply do not have the capability to cope with differences among ourselves which is in fact one of the beautiful things of lifeforms.
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Lord Maximullis
Amarr Universal Army
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Posted - 2011.01.26 00:55:00 -
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Originally by: Kahar Dex
crap
What a load of utter ****. Honestly, how credulous morons like yourself ever get a pod license I'll never know. |
Large Collidable Object
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Posted - 2011.01.26 01:20:00 -
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My biggest threat is you, stop colliding into me!
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Ostos Marek
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Posted - 2011.01.26 01:26:00 -
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Originally by: Kahar Dex
If the Sansha slaves are truely mindless and cannot be turned to God, then of what import are they? Naturally, if they could be converted into Amarr slaves, and have their souls purged for God's glory, then it would be an assumption that Sansha and nation would be of equal agenda for we the faithful.
These are merely thoughts and ponderances.
You are not alone in these ideas. House Marek, and our S.E.P. facilities are diligently at work trying to see if this can be accomplished. It is proving to be a complex task of deconstructing the interfaces of their bio-hardware as much of the known "needed" parts of the brain are missing or mutalated from the intial procedures that rendered them the obedient zombie's they are today. Even with that being said, trials appear that it may be possible to successfully "disconnect" one of them and bring them back into their normal human state.
After testing 100 captured sansha pilots/crew The only drawbacks are that: A.) The person is no longer fully themselves. If able to be "disconnected" then that the person lives at a high functioning mentally challenged individual at best. B.) So far nearly 73 of all tested have died, 20 have survived with a comparible I.Q. of fourty-five, 6 have a comparible I.Q. of seventy, and 1 yet to be determined.
It is the belief of House Marek and the scientists and handlers at the S.E.P. facilities that with more research, we can bring many of these people back from the prison of the soul that is their current state, and help them to become productive members of society once again. I will post most once more test results come back. ~Ostos Marek~
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Beatrix Heyn
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.01.26 02:17:00 -
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Really? We Gallente with our immodest dress and personal freedoms just might be a greater threat than a megalomaniac driven to turn the entire cluster into his mind-slaves?
I cannot say I'm too terribly surprised. After all, Sansha's goal draws some strong parallels to the "Reclaiming" or whatever you call it.
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Ava Starfire
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2011.01.26 04:24:00 -
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Originally by: Kahar Dex
During me daily meditation, a thought came upon me as quite simply: Who are the greatest threat?
Is it the ammoral gallenteans who wish to spear head their democratic and moral anarchy? Is it minmatar terrorists intent on remaining free and depraved?
Or...
Is it Kuvakei and his agenda to subjugate all?
The question for me begs the question, what shall Amarrian loyalist corps do in this situation? Naturally, we can not just abandon efforts in The Bleak Lands, Providence, etc, but can we afford to ignore the threat of Nation?
God's will be done. I simply wish we had some guidance as to what it is. If the Sansha slaves are truely mindless and cannot be turned to God, then of what import are they? Naturally, if they could be converted into Amarr slaves, and have their souls purged for God's glory, then it would be an assumption that Sansha and nation would be of equal agenda for we the faithful.
These are merely thoughts and ponderances.
That depends; the Sansha are definately the largest threat to all of New Eden, including the Empire. We dont want to destroy the Empire, we want you to free our brothers and sisters and then leave us alone.
To you personally? It's a toss-up, really; the Matari people, or your own ego.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.01.26 10:04:00 -
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They are all threats to the Empire, but the Sansha also hate the Republic and the Federation.
I say let them fight each like two fedos in a bag.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.01.26 10:12:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake They are all threats to the Empire, but the Sansha also hate the Republic and the Federation.
I say let them fight each like two fedos in a bag.
You would not be so quick to scoff if the bastions of the other three nations were overrun by Kuvakei's new plague and you were left to fight all the threats of this world alone. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.01.26 10:25:00 -
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Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Originally by: Rodj Blake They are all threats to the Empire, but the Sansha also hate the Republic and the Federation.
I say let them fight each like two fedos in a bag.
You would not be so quick to scoff if the bastions of the other three nations were overrun by Kuvakei's new plague and you were left to fight all the threats of this world alone.
I'm more than happy to help defend Caldari space when required, and indeed I've done just that in the past.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.01.26 10:46:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake I'm more than happy to help defend Caldari space when required, and indeed I've done just that in the past.
Your lack of foresight is endemic to Amarrians. Remember that last time this happened, it required the unified efforts of all four empires to crush Kuvakei and his Nation. He's substantially more experienced now than he was back then, and he has technology far more advanced than the first time - and remember, whatever else he might have become - madman, genocidal maniac, self-proclaimed embodiment of God - he is still a genius with a nearly unrivalled intellect and a will of iron. He fully intends to utterly destroy every human society and rebuild them in his own image, and he possesses the means to do it - and brutally murder the ones who resist.
The Amarr can choose to ignore the plight of other nations if they wish, but it will, in the long run, blow up in their faces. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.01.26 11:09:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 26/01/2011 11:09:30
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Originally by: Rodj Blake I'm more than happy to help defend Caldari space when required, and indeed I've done just that in the past.
Your lack of foresight is endemic to Amarrians. Remember that last time this happened, it required the unified efforts of all four empires to crush Kuvakei and his Nation. He's substantially more experienced now than he was back then, and he has technology far more advanced than the first time - and remember, whatever else he might have become - madman, genocidal maniac, self-proclaimed embodiment of God - he is still a genius with a nearly unrivalled intellect and a will of iron. He fully intends to utterly destroy every human society and rebuild them in his own image, and he possesses the means to do it - and brutally murder the ones who resist.
The Amarr can choose to ignore the plight of other nations if they wish, but it will, in the long run, blow up in their faces.
It's not a simple case of ignoring the plight of other nations - it's more about not defending nations that are at war with the Empire.
If the Republic wants Amarrian assistance, then perhaps they should ask for a ceasefire, or perhaps they shouldn't have launched an illegal and unprovoked attack on the Empire in the first place.
After all, why should we defend someone who is certain to not only be ungrateful, but would undoubtedly seek to destroy us at the first available opportunity?
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Maddox Yung
Trigger works DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2011.01.26 11:17:00 -
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Originally by: Kahar Dex racist propaganda
honestly!
i mean seriously!
Sanshas Nation is at our doorstep trying to tear us apart....
and you decide to chew on US.... who are helping YOUR people to defend against the attacks.... while YOUR navy sits and watches....
am i missing something?
the last time i looked i found more gallente and minmatar on these nation battlefields than i could see amarrians! i mean Come On!!!! ***********************
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.01.26 11:25:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake It's not a simple case of ignoring the plight of other nations - it's more about not defending nations that are at war with the Empire.
If the Republic wants Amarrian assistance, then perhaps they should ask for a ceasefire, or perhaps they shouldn't have launched an illegal and unprovoked attack on the Empire in the first place.
After all, why should we defend someone who is certain to not only be ungrateful, but would undoubtedly seek to destroy us at the first available opportunity?
You know very well what the Amarrians could very easily do to make a cease fire possible. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.01.26 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Originally by: Rodj Blake It's not a simple case of ignoring the plight of other nations - it's more about not defending nations that are at war with the Empire.
If the Republic wants Amarrian assistance, then perhaps they should ask for a ceasefire, or perhaps they shouldn't have launched an illegal and unprovoked attack on the Empire in the first place.
After all, why should we defend someone who is certain to not only be ungrateful, but would undoubtedly seek to destroy us at the first available opportunity?
You know very well what the Amarrians could very easily do to make a cease fire possible.
Why should we give up our way of life to satisfy a bunch of psychopathic iconoclasts?
The Shakorites started the war, why should we reward them for their aggression by giving in to them?
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Lyn Farel
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
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Posted - 2011.01.26 12:34:00 -
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Even if I understand your view, Mr Ixiris, Admiral Blake has a point.
The Republic doomed itself alone with this attack, just when the state of the thing you mentionned for the cease-fire was improving in the hand of progressives. Now, the leaders have changed and hardened, and I wonder if the peace and consensus was really what the Republic wanted.
I think you are more cleaver than that. These radical politics mainly came from social as much as economical factors, not from the ideological reasons used to enforce them. |
Maximum Kiely
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.26 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: Kahar Dex
Who are the greatest threat?
Is it minmatar terrorists intent on remaining free and depraved?
Or...
Is it Kuvakei and his agenda to subjugate all?
MMMą that's a mighty tasty bit of hypocrisy there.
It is not "who" is the biggest threat, it is what and the answer is forces of oppression, bigotry and tyranny in whatever form they take.
I do not believe the Emperor and the 5 despots in waiting speak for all Amarr just as I know the Caldari corporate tyrants do not speak for me. The forces of liberty and freedom in all factions must rise together and leave all other labels of division behind. If we can do that, no force can oppose us and perhaps history will regard the thwarted invasion by Sansha to be a blessing.
In crisis lies opportunity.
Now based out of Molden Heath! - Contact Maximum Kiely |
Rytha Main
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.01.27 03:23:00 -
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Edited by: Rytha Main on 27/01/2011 03:26:56 Edited by: Rytha Main on 27/01/2011 03:24:22
Originally by: Maximum Kiely
Originally by: Kahar Dex
Who are the greatest threat?
Is it minmatar terrorists intent on remaining free and depraved?
Or...
Is it Kuvakei and his agenda to subjugate all?
MMMą that's a mighty tasty bit of hypocrisy there.
It is not "who" is the biggest threat, it is what and the answer is forces of oppression, bigotry and tyranny in whatever form they take.
I do not believe the Emperor and the 5 despots in waiting speak for all Amarr just as I know the Caldari corporate tyrants do not speak for me. The forces of liberty and freedom in all factions must rise together and leave all other labels of division behind. If we can do that, no force can oppose us and perhaps history will regard the thwarted invasion by Sansha to be a blessing.
In crisis lies opportunity.
It is only seemingly hypocrisy for the ignorant.
True freedom comes from being in a relationship with the one true God. He sets us on the righteous path and is the sum of all things desired. While some may be quick to say that "slavery is not freedom", I respond by saying "you are right, but only while maintaining a simplistic view of it all".
For those who truly desire to live a life unto God, they will tell you themselves that a purging is necessary, a washing away of old habits, idiosyncrasies, and pet sins. God instituted this slavery as a means to cleanse a man's soul.
"Only through many hardships Is a man stripped to his very foundations And in such a state Devoid of distractions Is his soul free to soar And in this He is closest to God" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 42:5"
God will often sail us through the roughest seas, if only to make us the finest sailing vessels possible. Therefore I repeat myself: True freedom comes from knowing God. And He has charged Amarr with bringing his word to the nations. If you want true freedom, join us.
"So the Lord sent forth the Chosen, to bring forth the light of faith And those who embrace his love Shall be saved by his grace For we are his shepherds in the darkness His Angels of Mercy. But those who turn away from his light, And reject his true word Shall be struck down by his wrath For we are his retribution incarnate His Angels of Vengeance" - The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 4:45
Amarr shall triumph for God is our Hero, and we are His champions! |
Rek Jaiga
Minmatar Crimson Path Shaktipat Revelators
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Posted - 2011.01.27 03:58:00 -
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Edited by: Rek Jaiga on 27/01/2011 03:58:41
Originally by: Rytha Main
It is only seemingly hypocrisy for the ignorant.
True freedom comes from being in a relationship with the one true God. He sets us on the righteous path and is the sum of all things desired. While some may be quick to say that "slavery is not freedom", I respond by saying "you are right, but only while maintaining a simplistic view of it all".
For those who truly desire to live a life unto God, they will tell you themselves that a purging is necessary, a washing away of old habits, idiosyncrasies, and pet sins. God instituted this slavery as a means to cleanse a man's soul.
"Only through many hardships Is a man stripped to his very foundations And in such a state Devoid of distractions Is his soul free to soar And in this He is closest to God" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 42:5"
God will often sail us through the roughest seas, if only to make us the finest sailing vessels possible. Therefore I repeat myself: True freedom comes from knowing God. And He has charged Amarr with bringing his word to the nations. If you want true freedom, join us.
"So the Lord sent forth the Chosen, to bring forth the light of faith And those who embrace his love Shall be saved by his grace For we are his shepherds in the darkness His Angels of Mercy. But those who turn away from his light, And reject his true word Shall be struck down by his wrath For we are his retribution incarnate His Angels of Vengeance" - The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 4:45
So what of some Holders who live lives of luxury and indulgence? Shouldn't the Theology Council punish their hedonism, as it distracts them from the ultimate goal of knowing God and His will??
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Vikarion
Caldari draketrain
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Posted - 2011.01.27 04:04:00 -
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Originally by: Stitcher Ah, good. you didn't mention the Caldari in your list of threats.
looks like The Plan is still working....
Shush! - - -
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Kahar Dex
Amarr Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2011.01.27 04:08:00 -
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Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
You know very well what the Amarrians could very easily do to make a cease fire possible.
I for one don't. The Matari were a depraved and scattered primitive tribal civilization. We came to bring God's word and brought them a way of life that leads to knowing God. Not only this, but we have striven towards peace. It was not for nothing that Emperor Heideran won the Aidonis. And after our efforts to bring stability and peace, the Matari terrorists lead an unprovoked attack into the Ammatar mandate devastating the economy. It is no wonder that not all Minmatar wanted to board the "rescue vessels".
We return and repair the economy, build schools, hospitals, etc. And how are we repaid? With terrorism.
Where you insinuate that slavery is wrong, we prove that it is for the good of the unfaithful.
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Rytha Main
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.01.27 04:16:00 -
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Edited by: Rytha Main on 27/01/2011 04:17:11
Originally by: Rek Jaiga
So what of some Holders who live lives of luxury and indulgence? Shouldn't the Theology Council punish their hedonism, as it distracts them from the ultimate goal of knowing God and His will??
Heirs, Holders, and individuals alike are all held accountable to God as well as their fellow man. This has been demonstrated time, and time again. While we do not (and never have) claimed perfection, we do journey on the pilgrim's progress with God's aid.
Additionally, of the many holders I do know. Yes, they hold wealth, but they are Godly men and women who act as wise stewards of the money God has entrusted to them. Those who do not live according to God's will are punished accordingly as already mentioned. Amarr shall triumph for God is our Hero, and we are His champions! |
Rek Jaiga
Minmatar Crimson Path Shaktipat Revelators
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Posted - 2011.01.27 05:03:00 -
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Originally by: Rytha Main
Heirs, Holders, and individuals alike are all held accountable to God as well as their fellow man. This has been demonstrated time, and time again. While we do not (and never have) claimed perfection, we do journey on the pilgrim's progress with God's aid.
Additionally, of the many holders I do know. Yes, they hold wealth, but they are Godly men and women who act as wise stewards of the money God has entrusted to them. Those who do not live according to God's will are punished accordingly as already mentioned.
It's good to see that there is a sense of justice among Holders and others of the Amarrian gentry.
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Horatio Pegasii
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Posted - 2011.01.27 05:10:00 -
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Which of the three are wanted by CONCORD and seen as a dangerous pirate organization again?
Minmatar might have been slaves in the past, but many of them are working together with Amarrian Capsuleer on combat assignments when needed to. I would say the majority of them are not terrorists anymore, but closer to what used to be called "political activists".
Gallentes are a strange bunch, but "democracy" seems to have worked well-enough for them. Maybe it would be time for the Amarr Empire to take notice of it, as well!
The fact I see Sansha ships raiding mining lanes, civilian convoys and disrupting traffic might be a hint of which one is the greatest threat, after all.
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Sakura Imoru
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Posted - 2011.01.27 08:21:00 -
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Originally by: Kahar Dex
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
You know very well what the Amarrians could very easily do to make a cease fire possible.
I for one don't. The Matari were a prospering and peaceful living spacefaring tribal civilization. We came with massive warships to bring destruction and abducted millions into a life of suffering, abuse and humiliation.
Fixed it for you.
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Markius TheShed
Minmatar Murientor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.01.27 08:46:00 -
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The old saying "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" springs to mind. And while I will not be coming to the aid of any Amarrian who is under attack by Sansha they are slavers just the same so need to be defeated as well.
Our priority must remain the Minmatar people so after freeing our brothers and sisters under occupation in the Eugidi constallation we turn our attention to our people in Devoid.
I don't care who you think is the greatest threat to you and I don't care if Sansha wipe the whole Amarr empire out of existence as this will not change anything Slavers will be replaced by Slavers.
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Rinai Vero
Gallente Moira.
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Posted - 2011.01.27 08:55:00 -
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Meditate on this: Both the Araz Constellation in your own Empire, and the Joas Constellation in the Ammatar Mandate are suffering full scale incursions from Sansha forces. How embarrassing will it be to Amarran loyalists if we Gallente and Matari are the ones to drive Sansha's Nation from your borders? How ashamed will your Empress be of her servants then?
Common bonds of humanity are held dear by all true Gallente. If you will not protect your people, we will not sit idly by as they suffer. Once the people of Algintal and Obray are safe, we will see Kuvekei's minions purged wherever they threaten the innocent.
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Nathan Jameson
Talocan Vanguard Revival Of The Talocan Empire
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Posted - 2011.01.27 10:14:00 -
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My compatriots and I inhabit distant systems only accessible by wormholes. We come from all walks of life and all empires. We have no luxury for squabbles and petty differences in the dangers of unknown space; either we work together, or we fall separately.
If those speakers here truly wish to combat the Master and his rising empire, you will have to do the same.
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Borza Slavak
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.01.27 10:25:00 -
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Originally by: Markius TheShed The old saying "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" springs to mind. And while I will not be coming to the aid of any Amarrian who is under attack by Sansha they are slavers just the same so need to be defeated as well.
Our priority must remain the Minmatar people so after freeing our brothers and sisters under occupation in the Eugidi constallation we turn our attention to our people in Devoid.
I don't care who you think is the greatest threat to you and I don't care if Sansha wipe the whole Amarr empire out of existence as this will not change anything Slavers will be replaced by Slavers.
Well said, I agree with most of this. However we can free slaves from the chains and vitoxin of the Amarrians but there is as yet no remedy for what the Nation do to those they 'uplift'.
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Alica Wildfire
Minmatar Federal Investigations Agency
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Posted - 2011.01.27 11:00:00 -
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I had Rodj Blake himself on my overview when Sansha tried to invade Yulai a few days ago. I didn't open fire. So for me the priorities are set.
And if I twist myself on the way Amarrians judge priorities this would be not different. Because - why should they fight the Sansha? Yes, I think their breed can not be brought to god anymore. But whoever falls into their hands will definitely fall from god forever.
Whole colonies have been raided and were distorted to technological-biological abominations that now begin to raid the Empire space on an invasion scale. You should have seen the situation in the constellations under blockade. Ten thousand of capsuleer ships lost every day.
The F.I.A. has brought down during their time of existence about 3700 ships, mostly Amarrian crusaders. We are not the largest of the Minmatar Militia corporations that fight the Empire. No. But we did over the two and a halve year not the damage the Sansha do every day.
We are a bit proud of our performance and don't think we do bad on the battlefield. PIE Inc. has killed 12401 ships in the time of their existence. The Sansha kill this number of ships almost every day. In just one constellation, not to talk about the other two battlefields.
Seriously - you ask which threat is bigger?! There is absolutely no doubt. And until the capsuleer community has learned to deal with the thread on a better efficiency than waste thousands of Drake battlecruisers, then it is the duty of us military loyalists to build the spearhead and help the others to deal with the problem.
If this is achieved we can return to our usual routine and fight each other. But until then our military experience and the capability of our logistics support for the battlefield is needed to get them down and out.
They are bad for freedom. They are bad for the spirit. They are unholy abominations of gods creation.
And you seriously ask what to do? Damn get in a Drake and get ripped apart if you think this is no serious threat. The rest of us capsuleers have to learn how to deal with this. Then we can reassign our forces into the Bleak Lands. But to not fight them is something like treason of humankind.
This is the way I see it. And I doubt your god sees it different. Well I'm not good in interpreting the will of a nonexistent being. And I'm no inquisitor. But if I'd be I'd go and kill the damn bastards that cowardly hide in their daily routine and don't stand their man on this front.
That's what I say. I don't say the Sansha are harder to beat than the Amarr or Caldari capsuleer fleets. This is not true. But they strike on our most vulnerable place - they rip apart our civilians.
And what is military for if they don't care about civilians? -- FREEDOM, PUNK & AUTOCANNONS
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.01.27 11:24:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 27/01/2011 11:24:24
Originally by: Alica Wildfire
That's what I say. I don't say the Sansha are harder to beat than the Amarr or Caldari capsuleer fleets. This is not true. But they strike on our most vulnerable place - they rip apart our civilians.
And what is military for if they don't care about civilians?
As you're no doubt aware Kuvakei has been banging on about capsuleers a lot lately. It's clear that the Sanshas are shifting their focus from planetary raids to occupying space. As such they're becoming less of a threat to civilians.
Meanwhile, the war between the Shakorites and the Empire has involved (and continues to involve) the wholsesale occupation of planets.
So if we use your criterion of protecting civilians then it's clear that the Republic is a bigger threat to the Empire than the Sansha.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Lyn Farel
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
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Posted - 2011.01.27 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: Kahar Dex
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
You know very well what the Amarrians could very easily do to make a cease fire possible.
I for one don't. The Matari were a depraved and scattered primitive tribal civilization. We came to bring God's word and brought them a way of life that leads to knowing God. Not only this, but we have striven towards peace. It was not for nothing that Emperor Heideran won the Aidonis. And after our efforts to bring stability and peace, the Matari terrorists lead an unprovoked attack into the Ammatar mandate devastating the economy. It is no wonder that not all Minmatar wanted to board the "rescue vessels".
We return and repair the economy, build schools, hospitals, etc. And how are we repaid? With terrorism.
Where you insinuate that slavery is wrong, we prove that it is for the good of the unfaithful.
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Alica Wildfire
Minmatar Federal Investigations Agency
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Posted - 2011.01.27 12:27:00 -
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Edited by: Alica Wildfire on 27/01/2011 12:36:37 It's clear that the Sanshas are shifting their focus from planetary raids to occupying space. As such they're becoming less of a threat to civilians.
Meanwhile, the war between the Shakorites and the Empire has involved (and continues to involve) the wholsesale occupation of planets.
Why do you think the Sansha begin to raid whole constellations instead of planets? To leave the people on the planets alone? I can't imagine that you are this blind.
There is no worth in land. There is no worth in space. What counts is people and ressources. And ressources are only interesting because you can get more people under control with them.
The first Sansha raids were just to get people directly to form this kind of fleet and get into the next stage of their assault. You do not honestly think the Sansha don't begin to enslave more if they fortified their first Empire constellation, do you?
And I can't imagine that you stand by the death of millions (10000 Ships lost a day with an average of say 1000 crew on board makes 10 million losses a day on our side - just on one theatre alone).
You say you don't care?
If you don't care and instead turn on the fight of Minmatar I really can't see anything other in you but a traitor to the human kind and a Sansha supporter. And with this a traitor to your own god. A heretic. In your words. Really.
As a military you may say that your assets can't be moved into Empire at the moment because you protect a zerosec alliance and are bound there. That's a complete other story. But corporations like PIE Inc. are resident in the Empire. And their assignment is to protect that from threats from outside.
F.I.A. still is fighting on the Bleak Lands frontier, yes. But we do serious work to get fight the Sansha ourselves and help others to find good tactics. When the civilian capsuleer forces have learned their lesson, which will happen soon enough I hope, we are again free to do what we do best - kick Amarrian asses. This is no question of earning money. We have better ways to earn money than this war - which is not bad on the cash side but there are better ways. We don't care about cash when we have to do our duty. Or is PIE just fearing the losses they will suffer? Yes, you will have losses. We had very very few but we had some. This is no time to show fear and hesitate. This is the time where the man will split from the mice.
To ignore this threat is a failure, I think. Every attack that is successfull will weaken the Empires and strengthen the Sansha. And if this happens enough we will all fail and fall.
Either we pull together at the same rope here or we will be overrun earlier or later. I don't know what kind of drugs you use if you think you can ignore the Sansha threat unpunished, but you better stop using them. -- FREEDOM, PUNK & AUTOCANNONS
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.01.27 12:37:00 -
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I'm not saying that the Sansha aren't a threat.
What I am saying is that they're no more a threat then the Shakorites and their Jovian puppet masters.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Medarr
Amarr ZeroSec
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Posted - 2011.01.27 12:43:00 -
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Not every Amarrian agrees with Mr Blake, let that be known. My gun sights are pointed towards the sansha and I will fight along side those that used to be enemies.
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Enyalie
Blood Inquisition
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Posted - 2011.01.27 12:44:00 -
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Originally by: Kahar Dex we can not just abandon efforts in The Bleak Lands
Go for it; you shan't be missed.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.01.27 13:11:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Rodj Blake I'm not saying that the Sansha aren't a threat.
What I am saying is that they're no more of a threat to the Empire than the Shakorites and their Jovian puppet masters.
You could easily end that war - release your slaves. As stated a million times before, if they are truly your people, rather than the Minmatar's, they'll stay with you by choice. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Neu Bastian
Minmatar Valklear Guard
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Posted - 2011.01.27 13:24:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Kahar Dex What is Amarr to do?
Free my kinsmen.
Quote:
Neu Bastian Murientor Tribe
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Rek Jaiga
Minmatar Crimson Path Shaktipat Revelators
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Posted - 2011.01.27 13:51:00 -
[44]
*smiles* No matter what happens, I win. The cluster will unite of its own accord, or Nation will bring True Unity to it.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.01.27 13:56:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Originally by: Rodj Blake I'm not saying that the Sansha aren't a threat.
What I am saying is that they're no more of a threat to the Empire than the Shakorites and their Jovian puppet masters.
You could easily end that war - release your slaves. As stated a million times before, if they are truly your people, rather than the Minmatar's, they'll stay with you by choice.
We both know that it wouldn't be enough to satisfy the bloodlust of the Shakorites. After all, when you give in to threats of violence all you do is encourage more threats.
Besides, have you seen the misery and destruction that the release of a relatively small number of slaves caused in the Republic? Do you really want to see that again but on a far wider scale?
No, we'll release our remaining Minmatar slaves when they're ready for release, the same as happened with the Ni-Kunni, the Udorians and those Minmatar who we already set free.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.01.27 14:19:00 -
[46]
The death of the Amarr Empire would be no great loss to the universe. What exactly have you contributed to us that we couldn't produce or develop for ourselves? (Oh, and please don't say your morality or your religion. This is hardly the time for poor jokes). The Amarr Empire has been of absolutely no use during this conflict - your vast navy has proven no more useful fighting the Sansha than any other, and your capsuleers have shown even less willingness to work with traditional adversaries than the Caldari have (for reference, note that I'm currently in co-operation with strongly avowed Caldari State loyalists against the Sansha). The only real concern I have for the Empire is its civilians - those unfortunates who had the rather awful luck of being born into your society. They don't deserve to be caught in the backdraft of your short-sightedness.
And it certainly seems like they are so far. Of the four incursions currently occuring in empire space, only the Gallente Federation has made any progress whatsoever in removing theirs. The people of Joas and Araz - who are, by and large, in no way responsible for your nation's insanity - are suffering. Meanwhile, we're actually making real progress here in Algintal towards removing these scum. Of course, not all of the pilots responsible for these victories have directly pledged loyalty to the Federation, but it certainly seems like we're getting more competent pilots willing to help us out than you are.
Oh, I do wonder why that could be? ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.01.27 14:43:00 -
[47]
Edited by: Rodj Blake on 27/01/2011 14:45:12 Edited by: Rodj Blake on 27/01/2011 14:44:38
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris The death of the Amarr Empire would be no great loss to the universe. What exactly have you contributed to us that we couldn't produce or develop for ourselves? (Oh, and please don't say your morality or your religion. This is hardly the time for poor jokes).
Comments like that probably aren't the best way to ensure Amarrian co-operation, and simply provide further proof of your racist attitude towards us.
I expected better from the self-proclaimed leader of the anti-Sansha movement. But then I remembered that it's you.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.01.27 14:46:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Rodj Blake Comments like that probably aren't the best way to ensure Amarrian co-operation, and simply provide further proof of your racist attitude towards us.
That's hilarious - a man who regularly talks about "degenerates", "lesser races" and "subhumans" accuses people of being racist.
As for your co-operation, I'm not entirely sure we need or want it, but from the looks of things you most likely need ours. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Ava Starfire
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2011.01.27 19:23:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Sakura Imoru
Originally by: Kahar Dex
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
You know very well what the Amarrians could very easily do to make a cease fire possible.
I for one don't. The Matari were a prospering and peaceful living spacefaring tribal civilization. We came with massive warships to bring destruction and abducted millions into a life of suffering, abuse and humiliation.
Fixed it for you.
Truer words have never been spoken.
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Silas Vitalia
Khanid Provincial Vanguard Black Inquisition
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Posted - 2011.01.27 19:41:00 -
[50]
Since there seems to be more bickering than usual regarding who should be assisting who regarding Nation attacks, I took the time to tell this to the SYNE channel and we will do the same here:
Nation attacks in the Kingdom will be handled internally. Assistance from loyal Imperial Forces and Pro-State organizations will more than likely be accepted with open arms, although we advise capsuleers to take care before entering any low security systems in the area we are operating in.
Federalists, Tribals, and assorted Heathens will be shot on site, regardless of any intentions to 'assist' in the Khanid region, in any areas where CONCORD does not hold sway.
This is our only public statement on the matter.
Silas Vitalia CEO Khanid Provincial Vanguard Open for Recruitment!
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Vlad Cetes
Caldari Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2011.01.27 19:51:00 -
[51]
To answer Dex's question: There is one thing for Amarr to do. Die.
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Doctor Carbonatite
True Slave News Network
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Posted - 2011.01.27 20:54:00 -
[52]
Edited by: Doctor Carbonatite on 27/01/2011 20:55:36
Originally by: Ostos Marek
After testing 100 captured sansha pilots/crew The only drawbacks are that: A.) The person is no longer fully themselves. If able to be "disconnected" then that the person lives at a high functioning mentally challenged individual at best. B.) So far nearly 73 of all tested have died, 20 have survived with a comparible I.Q. of fourty-five, 6 have a comparible I.Q. of seventy, and 1 yet to be determined.
Ah, so you had 73 intelligent people, 26 would-be Amarrian faithful, and a Caldari?
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ValentinaDLM
Minmatar Zaratha Zarati Shaktipat Revelators
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Posted - 2011.01.27 21:28:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Originally by: Rodj Blake Comments like that probably aren't the best way to ensure Amarrian co-operation, and simply provide further proof of your racist attitude towards us.
That's hilarious - a man who regularly talks about "degenerates", "lesser races" and "subhumans" accuses people of being racist.
As for your co-operation, I'm not entirely sure we need or want it, but from the looks of things you most likely need ours.
To be totally fair here, Mr. Blake was one of the first ones shooting at us in the promised land. He didn't seem to have much support, but he didn't seem to be whining and asking for any either.
From my point of view doesn't seem he needed your help. Too bad he didn't set still for just a few seconds longer, my bomber almost had a good warp in on him too. Mr. Blake I implore you to consider the needs of stealth pilots like me next time.
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Anabella Rella
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2011.01.28 05:03:00 -
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All of you Amarrian fools can burn, be uplifted, what the hell ever. You don't want anyone's assistance, that's fine with me. I most certainly won't be going into Amarr or Ammatar space to battle the toasters. If I see you in civilized space again (especially that doddering old fool Blake whom I should have shot to pieces at Yulai) I'll turn my guns onto you after dealing with the immediate Sansha threat.
I'll laugh and hold a party the day when Kuvakei opens a wormhole above Amarr Prime and uplifts the entire royal court. Actually that would be quite poetic to have the zombie master and the zombie queen together.
Amarr Incindere!
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.01.28 08:19:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Anabella Rella All of you Amarrian fools can burn, be uplifted, what the hell ever. You don't want anyone's assistance, that's fine with me. I most certainly won't be going into Amarr or Ammatar space to battle the toasters. If I see you in civilized space again (especially that doddering old fool Blake whom I should have shot to pieces at Yulai) I'll turn my guns onto you after dealing with the immediate Sansha threat.
I wouldn't be surprised in the least if you did. After all, at least one member of your alliance did fire on me during the fighting in Yulai.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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laysha
Amarr 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2011.01.28 10:34:00 -
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Edited by: laysha on 28/01/2011 10:35:05
Originally by: Maddox Yung Edited by: Maddox Yung on 26/01/2011 11:18:16
Originally by: Kahar Dex racist propaganda
honestly!
i mean seriously!
Sanshas Nation is at our doorstep trying to tear us apart....
and you decide to chew on US.... who are helping YOUR people to defend against the attacks.... while YOUR navy sits and watches....
am i missing something?
the last time i looked i found more gallente and minmatar on these nation battlefields than i could see amarrians! i mean Come On!!!!
i mean nothing, nothing at all against the Amarr people or thier allies.
just this twit.
Typical Gallente self righteousness, meddel in other nations affairs and corrupting the minds of our brothers and sisters under the banner of aid and expecting us to thank you for it You talk as if we owe you something, we never asked you to come and would much prefer it if you stayed away.
I urge all loyal Amarrians to let this one play out and deal with who ever is left standing when the dust settles. Nothing good can come from joining fleets with these savages as it only gives them a foothold in the empire from which poison the minds of young impressionable Amarrians with their sin and corruption
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Zanziba'ar
Minmatar Show No Mercy P R I M E
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Posted - 2011.01.28 12:23:00 -
[57]
Nation isn't as much of a threat as you are all lead to believe. Forget nation! Amarr is the true enemy. You should all stop worrying about one small nation that can barely take on concord let alone the Minmatar Republic and Gallente Federation. I believe that the Ammarian influence over concord is being used to make this "threat" seem much larger than it actually is in order to hide some Amarrian plot. Forget Nation. We must bring down the hypocrite so called "empire" or the shadow of.
"I am the Alpha and the Omega--the beginning and the end," "I am the one who is, who always was, and who is still to come--the Almighty One." " I am Zanziba'ar." |
Lyn Farel
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
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Posted - 2011.01.28 13:19:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Anabella Rella All of you Amarrian fools can burn, be uplifted, what the hell ever. You don't want anyone's assistance, that's fine with me. I most certainly won't be going into Amarr or Ammatar space to battle the toasters. If I see you in civilized space again (especially that doddering old fool Blake whom I should have shot to pieces at Yulai) I'll turn my guns onto you after dealing with the immediate Sansha threat.
I'll laugh and hold a party the day when Kuvakei opens a wormhole above Amarr Prime and uplifts the entire royal court. Actually that would be quite poetic to have the zombie master and the zombie queen together.
Amarr Incindere!
Now I understand why your alliance repeatidly aggressed us without any justifications in the past. |
Marus Sulla
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.01.28 14:28:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Vlad Cetes To answer Dex's question: There is one thing for Amarr to do. Die.
Good to see the old fires still burning among some of the brothers.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.01.28 14:33:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Marus Sulla
Originally by: Vlad Cetes To answer Dex's question: There is one thing for Amarr to do. Die.
Good to see the old fires still burning among some of the brothers.
Burning is too good for a lot of you.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2011.01.28 15:32:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Rodj Blake If the Republic wants Amarrian assistance
I assure you we will let you know if that happens. Meanwhile. I'd suggest you stay the hell out.
Elsebeth Rhiannon
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Vallek Arkonnis
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Posted - 2011.01.29 23:20:00 -
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Originally by: Kahar Dex
During me daily meditation, a thought came upon me as quite simply: Who are the greatest threat?
Pride is always the greatest threat.
Pride makes us overestimate ourselves and underestimate the enemy, makes us want more than we could possibly keep, makes us charge headlong into situations when restraint is needed. Pride puts blind revenge ahead of tactful justice, it puts carelessness ahead of prudence.
The Gallente, Minmatar, Sansha, whatever, are predictable foes. Pride makes one reckless and capricious and can spread like fire. The greatest threat lies not outside our borders but within us.
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Carcosa Hali
Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2011.01.30 05:32:00 -
[63]
Are you quite certain your God does not belong to us already?
I'm kidding.. I'm kidding..
I suppose the real question is.. what led you to fail the Sansha in days past?
It was the Galletaens... what started the War.. who led you to cower and join them in the slaughter of the True.. It is them to whom you should channel your aggressions... They are the ones that led you low.. They are those who caused you to fall..
Strike against them.. Redeem yourselves. Even one pilot can make a difference, even one of the capsuleers can lead to untold waste among them that destroyed you..
Believe... and you will See. ------------------------------- This Bitter Earth.. What fruit it bears.. |
Jesmine Kyriel
Amarr House Kyriel Inc.
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Posted - 2011.01.30 09:43:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Carcosa Hali Are you quite certain your God does not belong to us already?
I'm kidding.. I'm kidding..
I suppose the real question is.. what led you to fail the Sansha in days past?
It was the Galletaens... what started the War.. who led you to cower and join them in the slaughter of the True.. It is them to whom you should channel your aggressions... They are the ones that led you low.. They are those who caused you to fall..
Strike against them.. Redeem yourselves. Even one pilot can make a difference, even one of the capsuleers can lead to untold waste among them that destroyed you..
Believe... and you will See.
You blaspheme. Not only that, Sansha puppet, but you lie.
The Empire should not 'redeem' themselves to the Sansha by turning on the Federation on your beck and call, far from it. We should lead the charges against you, form the vanguard of every assault. Every sinful act of betrayal to God's holy purpose for our Empire, as done in the past when we SOLD YOU slaves, aspirants to God's glory, should be washed away in a river of blood, the results of our eternal struggle to redeem ourselves in His name. We can do this and we will. When the Empire has done it part and more in assisting in your ultimate defeat and obliteration, then we will have redeemed ourselves. Then, and only then, will we have earned our pardon for our sins.
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Syn Callibri
Minmatar 21st Eridani Lighthorse
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Posted - 2011.01.31 16:49:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
Originally by: Rodj Blake If the Republic wants Amarrian assistance
I assure you we will let you know if that happens. Meanwhile. I'd suggest you stay the hell out.
Elsebeth Rhiannon
QFT.
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Azure Skyclad
Amarr Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.01.31 18:40:00 -
[66]
Both the Empire and Nation want to subjugate us "for our own good" so the only significant difference is in which proper noun to use.
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Silas Vitalia
Khanid Provincial Vanguard Black Inquisition
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Posted - 2011.01.31 19:06:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Azure Skyclad Both the Empire and Nation want to subjugate us "for our own good" so the only significant difference is in which proper noun to use.
The Amarr faithful only subjugate those who resist.
But if you are confused as to proper terminology, you should address your Amarrian betters as "Master."
Silas Vitalia CEO Khanid Provincial Vanguard Open for Recruitment!
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Azure Skyclad
Amarr Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.01.31 19:52:00 -
[68]
"The Amarr faithful only subjugate those who resist. "
Oh, that's alright then.................
Profanity filters aren't very accommodating with regard to what i like to refer to my Amarrian "betters" as. Ask Cosmo, he's been on the thick end of a few examples.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.01.31 19:55:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Silas Vitalia The Amarr faithful only subjugate those who resist.
Most of us resist because we're perfectly happy with our own societies and cultures and have absolutely no want or need of yours, thank you very much.
If the Amarrians would simply accept that and leave people alone, there would be a lot less bad blood in the universe. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Silas Vitalia
Khanid Provincial Vanguard Black Inquisition
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Posted - 2011.01.31 20:19:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
If the Amarrians would simply accept that and leave people alone, there would be a lot less bad blood in the universe.
No.
Silas Vitalia CEO Khanid Provincial Vanguard Open for Recruitment!
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.01.31 20:45:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Silas Vitalia No.
Then you sacrifice any justification whatsoever to complain about people meddling with Amarrian affairs - or the scarcity of help afforded to your suffering systems. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Silas Vitalia
Khanid Provincial Vanguard Black Inquisition
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Posted - 2011.01.31 22:53:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Originally by: Silas Vitalia No.
Then you sacrifice any justification whatsoever to complain about people meddling with Amarrian affairs - or the scarcity of help afforded to your suffering systems.
I sacrifice nothing by nature of my beliefs, and certainly have no need to justify anything to those beneath me, meaning you and your cacophonous ilk.
I do not complain and seldom debate, for on the most serious of issues of the day none is needed.
Furthermore none of -my- systems are suffering in Khanid. Do not presume to confuse me with the Imperials, who can at times remain unfocused, despite noble intentions.
Your 'society' wears a mask of hypocrisy and suffers from an acute identity disorder. Constantly bleating and neighing about the 'human rights' abuses of other cultures while standing on a mound of corpses made of those weaker cultures who disagree with your version of things....and whining about 'atrocities' committed by others while your very government commits them daily against the State.
I would be angry with you but that would mean you matter enough to me to register an emotion other than mild contempt. Pathetic.
Silas Vitalia CEO Khanid Provincial Vanguard Open for Recruitment!
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Maximum Kiely
Caldari Kiely and Son Salvage
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Posted - 2011.01.31 22:55:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Rytha Main
It is only seemingly hypocrisy for the ignorant.
True freedom comes from being in a relationship with the one true God. He sets us on the righteous path and is the sum of all things desired. While some may be quick to say that "slavery is not freedom", I respond by saying "you are right, but only while maintaining a simplistic view of it all".
I would debate with you but I learned long ago that when people give up their mind to some fairytale God, they gain the ability to have an asinine answer for everything.
Now based out of Molden Heath! - Contact Maximum Kiely |
Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.01.31 23:43:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Silas Vitalia I sacrifice nothing by nature of my beliefs, and certainly have no need to justify anything to those beneath me, meaning you and your cacophonous ilk.
I am not beneath you, you cloudy-eyed little harlot. Don't presume to lecture me - your supercilious arrogance doesn't impress me and your ignorant, archaic beliefs mean as little to me as ash on the wind - which, ideally, is what you will be weeping over when your precious Kingdom turns to dust. Then perhaps you'll understand the pain of the betters you've wronged. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Athroseilon Yeva
Amarr The Ascendant Order
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Posted - 2011.02.01 00:36:00 -
[75]
"Vain are the words of the fallen; empty are their protests. Their hearts are as of the rotten tree, which falls at the first breath of the storm. The Lord has clouded their minds; their thoughts are dulled with rage."
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.02.01 01:13:00 -
[76]
Quoting scriptures does not a valid argument make. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Athroseilon Yeva
Amarr The Ascendant Order
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Posted - 2011.02.01 02:09:00 -
[77]
Scripture is but a darkened mirror of the Truth that is God, yet even so the light from it proves more than sufficient to illuminate the darkest recesses of the human soul. Your mind is clouded by fury, your reason by hate. No logic can assail the fortress of your mind, barred as it is by malice and scorn.
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Rytha Main
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.02.01 02:44:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Maximum Kiely
Originally by: Rytha Main
It is only seemingly hypocrisy for the ignorant.
True freedom comes from being in a relationship with the one true God. He sets us on the righteous path and is the sum of all things desired. While some may be quick to say that "slavery is not freedom", I respond by saying "you are right, but only while maintaining a simplistic view of it all".
I would debate with you but I learned long ago that when people give up their mind to some fairytale God, they gain the ability to have an asinine answer for everything.
And I have learned long ago, that many men with darkened minds can not be made to understand God and His person through reasoning. It is for this very reason we have slavery, that:
"Only through many hardships Is a man stripped to his very foundations And in such a state Devoid of distractions Is his soul free to soar And in this He is closest to God" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 42:5
How can a man understand the life of rebirth, of renewal, and of God's saving grace if he has no experiential knowledge of it? He can't. No matter how you debate, you will always be at a disadvantage. I have lived two lives, one absent of God (before), and one in communion with Him (now).
I pity you Maximum Kiely, for not only do you blaspheme, but you do so entirely out of ignorance. May God have mercy on your soul, for you know not what you do.
Amarr shall triumph for God is our Hero, and we are His champions! |
Rytha Main
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.02.01 02:50:00 -
[79]
Edited by: Rytha Main on 01/02/2011 02:53:12
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Originally by: Silas Vitalia I sacrifice nothing by nature of my beliefs, and certainly have no need to justify anything to those beneath me, meaning you and your cacophonous ilk.
I am not beneath you, you cloudy-eyed little harlot. Don't presume to lecture me - your supercilious arrogance doesn't impress me and your ignorant, archaic beliefs mean as little to me as ash on the wind - which, ideally, is what you will be weeping over when your precious Kingdom turns to dust. Then perhaps you'll understand the pain of the betters you've wronged.
How DARE you address Sister Vitalia in such a manner. If you are truly not beneath us, you wouldn't have the gall to sink so low.
Your profile has been input to all my ships computers with a terrible standing. I stand with the faithful. Should our cross paths, you will be shot on sight, and if you're able to be taken, you shall inevitably be transported under escort to Port Sanctuary
You are clearly an enemy of God's people Andreus. Let's hope you do not condemn yourself further by blaspheme.
Originally by: Athroseilon Yeva Scripture is but a darkened mirror of the Truth that is God, yet even so the light from it proves more than sufficient to illuminate the darkest recesses of the human soul. Your mind is clouded by fury, your reason by hate. No logic can assail the fortress of your mind, barred as it is by malice and scorn.
Dear brother, the only hope this heathen has I fear, is to be stripped to his foundations.
"By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32 Amarr shall triumph for God is our Hero, and we are His champions! |
Azure Skyclad
Amarr Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.02.01 09:30:00 -
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Oh dear Andy! The magic sky man is gonna come gitcha!
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.02.01 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: Rytha Main How DARE you address Sister Vitalia in such a manner.
I quite easily dare to insult such a vapid, crazy cat lady... you stuck-up Scripture-thumping child.
Originally by: Rytha Main Your profile has been input to all my ships computers with a terrible standing. I stand with the faithful. Should our cross paths, you will be shot on sight
I invite you to come and try, witch.
Originally by: Rytha Main and if you're able to be taken, you shall inevitably be transported under escort to Port Sanctuary
Don't make such worthless and insipid threats when you know for a fact you'll never be able to back them up. Your ex-CEO Blake has been making the exact same threats to Evanda Char since before I was in any way involved in the Amarr-Minmatar conflict. You may notice that she's still perfectly free.
Originally by: Rytha Main You are clearly an enemy of God's people Andreus. Let's hope you do not condemn yourself further by blaspheme.
Your God is as worthless as your empty threats, and I spit on him.
Originally by: Rytha Main Dear brother, the only hope this heathen has I fear, is to be stripped to his foundations.
Again - witch please, let's see you come and try it.
Originally by: Azure Skyclad Oh dear Andy! The magic sky man is gonna come gitcha!
You know, it's rare enough that I get a chance to laugh with a member of Star Fraction, but, you know, in this circumstance?
I think I like you more than I used to, Azure. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Rek Jaiga
Minmatar Crimson Path Shaktipat Revelators
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Posted - 2011.02.01 13:41:00 -
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Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Your God is as worthless as your empty threats, and I spit on him.
Careful man...careful. If you think an Amarrian faithful is bad, you should see a Blood Raider faithful.
The Amarr want you to work for them (albeit for free). The Raiders want you inside them, and not even in the way pleasant for you.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.02.01 14:26:00 -
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Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Your ex-CEO Blake has been making the exact same threats to Evanda Char since before I was in any way involved in the Amarr-Minmatar conflict. You may notice that she's still perfectly free.
She will never be free until she stops being a slave to her own base desires. Only through slavery to us will she be able to achieve that.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.02.01 14:55:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake She will never be free until she stops being a slave to her own base desires. Only through slavery to us will she be able to achieve that.
I'm sorry, I should have been more specific - "free from any perspective other than that of exceptionally pedantic Amarrian Scripture-thumping mass-murderers". ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Spirulina Laxissima
Minmatar TotalControl Inc.
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Posted - 2011.02.02 09:09:00 -
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Sanshas, Gallente, Amarr, Caldari, Minmatar, whatever!
Don't you realize we've all been had?! We are all humans, and we are all being played like so many holoreels!
The real threat to us are the SCC and their lapdogs CONCORD. Whatever happens in New Eden, the SCC gets their cut, under threat of force by CONCORD if necessary. It is in their interest to perpetuate the madness that has befallen our kind. To divide us so that we may wage petty wars against each other.
I see all my fellow humans as brothers & sisters, trapped in a perpetual struggle against the SCC's enslavement through fiat-currency. What are ISK backed by? Debt. And the constant threat of force if you don't abide by their rules.
This great threat to our freedom & sovereignty even lets me overlook (but not forget, and never forgive) the cowardly betrayal of the Nefantar. Yes, I am willing to put my prejudices aside for the benefit of us all. Are you?
Originally by: Mayer Amschel Ardishapur
Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes the laws.
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Rek Jaiga
Minmatar Crimson Path Shaktipat Revelators
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Posted - 2011.02.02 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: Spirulina Laxissima [...]
I agree that CONCORD and SCC wants to make a quick kredit off of and perpetuate the constant conflict in the cluster. I fail to see how Nation is involved in their plot though; wouldn't the bounties they set on Nation ships (which the SCC pays out without fail) outweigh any profit they'd make off Nation? I mean we're talking billions of ISK here..
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Spirulina Laxissima
Minmatar TotalControl Inc.
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Posted - 2011.02.02 15:00:00 -
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Here you might find some answers, but I'm afraid his conspiracy goes far deeper than the proverbial wormhole.
To understand, you would have to learn the original function of currencies, and how that function was subverted over time to suit those that ended up producing those currencies. The original function of government, and how it, in turn, was subverted with those currencies...
Over the millennia, it seems, we unerringly fall for the same lies over & over.
All we can do now is remember what we are, and not let ourselves be divided by strife and hatred. To remember that in the end, it is us who bear the responsibilities for our own selves, and to never give up those responsibilities to another entity. For in doing so we also give up our freedom, and our fate.
I sometimes wish there were such a god as the one the Amarr pray to. Perhaps he could stand by all our sides. But in the end, such practice only leads us to give up our responsibilities. Placing them in the hands of a fictitious creator only allows them to glide into the hands of others willing to use them to their benefit and our demise. (*+.,_,.#¦¦`*+.,_,.#¦¦`*+.,_,.#¦)
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Spirulina Laxissima
Minmatar TotalControl Inc.
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Posted - 2011.02.02 16:18:00 -
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Sanshas Nation basically acts to jump-start one of three possible outcomes beneficial to the SCC:
The four main empires have been stuck in a cease-fire agreement since the Yoiul-conference. Perhaps this time of military quagmires is not generating enough 'revenue' for the SCC, the conflict simmering under the facade of peace could erupt spontaneously if, say, a major faction is subverted by the Sansha. Another major faction might take this as a good excuse to escalate the war. This is how my people gained their freedom, but the SCC interestingly always comes out on top.
The external threat of the Sansha serves to unite all factions against them under the leadership of the SCC (or rather a puppet-organization of them). This One Galactic Government protects us all for ever more, but at the grave cost of whatever freedom & sovereignty we have left.
The free people of New Eden fall to the hordes of the Sansha incursion. We are all turned into mindless unquestioning components in Sansha's warmachine. Since Sansha is a pawn of the SCC, this basically serves us to them on a tritanium-alloy platter.
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I see two outcomes beneficial to us:
We realize we're being exploited, and unite against the SCC and the Sansha. We take responsibility of our own lives, and swear never to fall fur such treachery again.
- Business as usual without the SCC
We unite against the Nation, and rid ourselves of the manipulative SCC. We keep our current forms of government, but strive to get along with each other for a better future. Maybe we will save us from ourselves by finally taking responsibility for ourselves one day. (*+.,_,.#¦¦`*+.,_,.#¦¦`*+.,_,.#¦)
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Rek Jaiga
Minmatar Crimson Path Shaktipat Revelators
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Posted - 2011.02.02 19:49:00 -
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Originally by: Spirulina Laxissima Since Sansha is a pawn of the SCC[...]
Wait, huh? I understood all your other points, but claiming Master Kuvakei is a SCC puppet makes no sense. I can buy that the SCC wants to use the external threat of Nation as a reason to unify under a CONCORD banner, but to claim Master is intentionally collaborating with the SCC? I can't buy that.
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Spirulina Laxissima
Minmatar TotalControl Inc.
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Posted - 2011.02.02 20:54:00 -
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Yeah, I won't claim I know all there is. Mister Kuvakei is clearly following his own agenda. But I'm willing to bet he's been originally outfitted by the SCC after his death. Couldn't have such a convenient threat just die on them. But he probably grew too powerful for them. However, the SCC can spin this to their advantage either way. A galaxy weakened by the Sansha incursions is a galaxy ripe for the picking.
Either way, any end result in favor of the SCC or the Sansha is not what we need right now. (*+.,_,.#¦¦`*+.,_,.#¦¦`*+.,_,.#¦)
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