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Jacqueline Coeur
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.01.25 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: Vincent Athena Next: Given the present mechanic, if I RR Fred, who is a different corp than me, and Fred shoots me, do I get condorded (along with Fred)?
If he shoots you, no. If he shoots someone else, yes.
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Unctom
Minmatar Nomadic Wayfarer Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.01.25 18:21:00 -
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Edited by: Unctom on 25/01/2011 18:21:22 The solution is to not fleet with strangers because even if the RR problem was 'fixed' someone is going to ninja loot a nightmare bpc or whatever and people will come back here complaining on the forums. |
Daedalus II
Helios Research
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Posted - 2011.01.25 18:23:00 -
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Edited by: Daedalus II on 25/01/2011 18:24:28
Originally by: Jacqueline Coeur
Originally by: Vincent Athena Next: Given the present mechanic, if I RR Fred, who is a different corp than me, and Fred shoots me, do I get condorded (along with Fred)?
If he shoots you, no. If he shoots someone else, yes.
It doesn't matter who he shoots, as long as he doesn't have the right to shoot him. He can shoot some random guy, a station or the one who RRs him (if they are not in the same corp).
Edit: and GCC stands for Global Criminal Countdown. I.e. if you show up in highsec with this concord will own you.
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Ovella
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Posted - 2011.01.25 18:24:00 -
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Originally by: Centri Sixx The real problem is that EVE players have been so conditioned to grief carebears that it prevents the pugging style of gameplay Incursions ideally were supposed to bring. You can't ask players to work together in any meaningful form outside of corp/alliance because of it.
Riiight, it's not like any MMO is about corp/alliance stuff...
Only difference here is that trust in EVE is rare commodity, by design. If you gonna team up with random people - be prepared for consequences
So, only "barrier of entry" is somone to trust with your current ship (not nececarily your alliance/corpmates, btw). And that is purely depends on you... |
Mel Lifera
Gallente Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2011.01.25 18:40:00 -
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The incursions are just fine. In fact, I think they're awesome. Tough gate-camping and belt rats in high-sec makes me happy; as does the fact that people who are used to solo'ing level 4's are going to have to learn how to actually interact and cooperate with other players in this non-single-player game.
The RR GCC "problem" has been in the game as long as I've been here; yet I've managed to participate in countless small gang operations without encountering it. I'm sure people will learn how to deal with it.
I think people are just upset, panicked, and butthurt because they can't go to some website or database or article that tells them exactly how to win incursions like they can with every other normal mission.
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TR4D3R4LT
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Posted - 2011.01.25 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: bukchoi
Originally by: Karl Planck *remove concord from incursion highsec systems idea*
low sec rules in incursion high sec? the cry-factor will rise i like it. (am here to cause tears and destruction)
Imagine the amount of tears and destruction if lo- and null-sec systems cleared from incursions "aka helping concord" temporally increase their security status and install Concord in place. Imagine the tears, the tears!
Either clear or deal with the Sansha, live with Concord or Sansha. Imagine what happens to prices when all current 0.0 systems become high sec and moon goo stops. Alliances are forced to run around or just deal with the new management that wants to kill them as the other opinion wants to enslave them as carebears.
"I watched a snail crawl along the edge of a straight razor. That's my dream; that's my nightmare. Crawling, slithering, along the edge of a straight razor... and surviving. "
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Commander Tycho
Minmatar Ready. Aim. Fire.
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Posted - 2011.01.25 18:55:00 -
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My corp ran a gang of 5 RR domis on a Vanguard site today and it was pretty fun, more intense than I thought it would be. The sansha's do a lot of damage.
However even though we clearly did all the work, we were not the "primary" fleet so got no reward. I guess the "primary" fleet were the bunch of random ships warping in and out at different times and getting popped with no co-ordination at all... They totally deserved the reward.
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Aloe Cloveris
The Greater Goon
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Posted - 2011.01.25 19:11:00 -
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Edited by: Aloe Cloveris on 25/01/2011 19:11:21
Originally by: Durzel
While you're looking at that code how about making it so that neutral RR confers the same COMBAT timer (the 60 sec jump/dock thing) that the recipient already has (or none at all - as it is currently - if they have none). Thx!
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Ataxio
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Posted - 2011.01.25 19:16:00 -
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How about an incursion of hoods to cover my ugly amarrian face? And a insurgency of scissors to rescue those covered by unwanted hoods?
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Aineko Macx
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Posted - 2011.01.25 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: Cyaxares II Blowing up ships is a mineral sink not an ISK sink.
You are correct of course. I still highly approve of this product ________________________ CCP: Where fixing bugs is a luxury, not an obligation. |
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2011.01.25 20:33:00 -
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Edited by: HeIIfire11 on 25/01/2011 20:36:56
Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Originally by: Daedalus II What is really needed is for CCP to do something about the RR aggression mechanic. As long as aggression transfers to the RR ship it is as you say; you can not join an unknown fleet.
The only safe way to play with unknowns is to not use RR on them; the pilot in an RR ship risks his whole ship on the premise the one he's repairing is not a jerk or idiot. Given that 95% of the eve population seems to be jerks or idiots that is a pretty risky gamble.
And without any RR what so ever, any PUG fleet will be DOA. With a better RR aggression mechanic you can still not be sure you're not in a fleet full of players who only look for themselves, but you can at least know that they can't get you concorded any second.
If we see it like this; in how many other MMOs are the healers punished by death for offering to help? Doesn't seem like much of an incentive to cooperation in my eyes.
We are looking into this issue right now.
Im sure you are just like I said in an older post where (tippia) said I was wrong.
And at which point I will repetition the loss of my kronos due to this same "working as intended" game mechanic.
Edit:And for tippia...heres a big I TOLD YOU SO!
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Major Snitch
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Posted - 2011.01.25 20:38:00 -
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Tippia a fanboy troll ......... am sure CCP glad to hear about things that they can improve or bugged they didn't see .......
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Darth Gustav
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Posted - 2011.01.25 20:46:00 -
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CCP may be looking into it, but a carebear crying in another post got me thinking.
This is the best idea ever. Carebears don't go to lowsec and nullsec because they're fundamentally scared.
The new Incursions won't be completed in high sec if nothing changes. Carebears will ignore them, as will most passers-through. That means that high sec systems will get global damage and resist nerfs constantly, due to unresolved incursions. If carebears won't go to low/sec nullsec because of fear of pirates, drive them from highsec due to fear of CONCORD and ineffectual shields, armor, and weapons.
CCP, please keep the mechanic EXACTLY AS IT IS. Take a hard-nosed stance, please! This fits your model of moving people toward lowsec and nullsec perfectly, and gives all players cause to question the seemingly eternally neutral beneficence of the agency known as CONCORD.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.01.25 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: bukchoi
Originally by: Karl Planck *remove concord from incursion highsec systems idea*
low sec rules in incursion high sec? the cry-factor will rise i like it. (am here to cause tears and destruction)
This would actually be a good option, give Sansha loyalists the ability to help out with incursions and include more people than just the ones that want to shoot at the red crosses floating in space. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2011.01.25 20:50:00 -
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Originally by: Darth Gustav
This is the best idea ever. Carebears don't go to lowsec and nullsec because they're fundamentally scared.
Nice try and just because people don't want to be blobbed or gate camped by "your kind" does not by far mean they are "fundamentally scared" just a bit to smart for your lame tactics.
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Valhallas
New Eden Robotics
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Posted - 2011.01.25 20:53:00 -
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Just passed through Algintal contellation, never seen so many pods flyin about in high sec.
One guy was complainin that his fleet just got concorded. Total chaos, random fleets consisting of noobs and vets.
Its worth going along just for the LOL's
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Darth Gustav
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Posted - 2011.01.25 20:54:00 -
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Originally by: HeIIfire11 Nice try and just because people don't want to be blobbed or gate camped by "your kind" does not by far mean they are "fundamentally scared" just a bit to smart for your lame tactics.
Also, nice try. It's called a cage when you don't leave it.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.01.25 20:56:00 -
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Originally by: Valhallas Just passed through Algintal contellation, never seen so many pods flyin about in high sec.
One guy was complainin that his fleet just got concorded. Total chaos, random fleets consisting of noobs and vets.
Its worth going along just for the LOL's
àbring salvager!
Hmm. I predict a price crash on T2 Rigs. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Schalac
Caldari Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2011.01.25 21:13:00 -
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Originally by: Darth Gustav Edited by: Darth Gustav on 25/01/2011 20:47:57 CCP may be looking into it, but a carebear crying in another post got me thinking.
This is the best idea ever. Carebears don't go to lowsec and nullsec because they're fundamentally scared.
The new Incursions won't be completed in high sec if nothing changes. Carebears will ignore them, as will most passers-through. That means that high sec systems will get global damage and resist nerfs constantly, due to unresolved incursions. If carebears won't go to low/sec nullsec because of fear of pirates, drive them from highsec due to fear of CONCORD and ineffectual shields, armor, and weapons.
CCP, please keep the mechanic EXACTLY AS IT IS. Take a hard-nosed stance, please! This fits your model of moving people toward lowsec and nullsec perfectly, and gives all players cause to question the seeming eternally neutral beneficence of the agency known as CONCORD.
And it will change nothing. If their highsec constellation is under siege they will just move to another one until it's over and then come back.
Also there will always be other fleets out there looking for money that will be organized enough and big enough to defeat them and you won't be invited to their fleet because you are not wanted or needed so you have no chance to grief them other than a straight up alpha strike attack. That would mean bigger chance of sec loss for you with very little chance of success.
SCHALAC HAS SPOKEN |
Apollo Gabriel
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2011.01.25 21:19:00 -
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@CCP since you are changing the system with Incursions, 50% resists, etc .. how hard is it to make RR not criminally flag in these systems. There is still an issue with fleets outside of the system gathering up, but it would likely prevent some of the issues. Best regards, Apollo Gabriel
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Darth Gustav
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Posted - 2011.01.25 21:26:00 -
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Originally by: Schalac And it will change nothing. If their highsec constellation is under siege they will just move to another one until it's over and then come back.
Also there will always be other fleets out there looking for money that will be organized enough and big enough to defeat them and you won't be invited to their fleet because you are not wanted or needed so you have no chance to grief them other than a straight up alpha strike attack. That would mean bigger chance of sec loss for you with very little chance of success.
If that's true, then so be it. Nothing needs to be changed, right? But if the incursions aren't thwarted, high-sec becomes a pretty nasty place to live. That's fine too.
Either way, why make a change? Either a) you get an organized elitist fleet to clean up your high sec and score big easy profit, or b) nothing happens, carebears are scared to run incursions, and as you say, leave high sec constellations for elsewhere - until that space is also incurred. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.01.25 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: HeIIfire11 Edit:And for tippia...heres a big I TOLD YOU SO!
What did you tell me, exactly?
Originally by: Major Snitch Tippia a fanboy troll ......... am sure CCP glad to hear about things that they can improve or bugged they didn't see .......
What on earth are you on about? Do you still believe that 75k is more than 81k? Is that it? Here's a tip for you: basic maths and reading ù learn it, use it, love it. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
mkmin
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Posted - 2011.01.25 21:45:00 -
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What really makes me giggle is that one of the 3 highsec incursions is in Raneilles, which is in the same constellation as Clellinon, a career agents system. Have fun with that rookies!
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Vincent Athena
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Posted - 2011.01.25 21:48:00 -
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In fact the high sec incursion in arg-whatever is more than 50% gone. The one in amarr space shows some progress, and the ones in low sec and 0.0 appear untouched. Pick up gangs are everywhere. There is some exploiting of the game mechanics, but it sure is not scaring people off. Based on what is actually happening, it appears the cowards (or maybe just the ambivalent) are in low sec and 0.0.
That said, CCP: I should be concorded because I decided to commit a crime, not because someone else did.
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Darth Gustav
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Posted - 2011.01.25 21:49:00 -
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Edited by: Darth Gustav on 25/01/2011 21:50:37
Originally by: mkmin What really makes me giggle is that one of the 3 highsec incursions is in Raneilles, which is in the same constellation as Clellinon, a career agents system. Have fun with that rookies!
Now that makes me LOL, too. Sanshas in the noob belts FTW!!! |
HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2011.01.25 21:52:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: HeIIfire11 Edit:And for tippia...heres a big I TOLD YOU SO!
What did you tell me, exactly?
I told you that they would have to fix rr or it would be a flop,thats exactly what I told you.
You said theres nothing to fix-working as intended.Ill look up the post later and I will be glad to refresh your memory then
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.01.25 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: Vincent Athena That said, CCP: I should be concorded because I decided to commit a crime, not because someone else did.
Aiding a criminal (rr) is a crime in the eyes of the law. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Darth Gustav
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Posted - 2011.01.25 21:58:00 -
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Edited by: Darth Gustav on 25/01/2011 21:58:41
Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: Vincent Athena That said, CCP: I should be concorded because I decided to commit a crime, not because someone else did.
Aiding a criminal (rr) is a crime in the eyes of the law.
That's right. If you don't trust somebody, why help them?
As I said earlier, this should not be touched. It's perfect, as-is.
To anybody arguing they had no choice:
Your choice was choosing the wrong person to trust. Once you activate a module in EVE, there's no take-backs. There never have been, and there shouldn't ever be. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.01.25 21:58:00 -
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Originally by: HeIIfire11 I told you that they would have to fix rr or it would be a flop,thats exactly what I told you.
You said theres nothing to fix-working as intended.Ill look up the post later and I will be glad to refresh your memory then
And I think you'll find that what I said, more precisely, is this: RR is working as intended. What is not working is that you do not get a say in when you trigger a GCC. I was saying that people were stating the problem incorrectly, and that if they wanted to look for a fix, they should look in the right place.
I stand by that. RR is working exactly like it should. Today has shown nothing different, nor is CCP's statement any indication that it isn't. What's not working ù now, as we discussed then ù is how GCC is applied to people who has no control over it. If CCP has any brains whatsoever, they'll fix the actual problem (the distribution of criminal flaggingà and aggro flagging, for that matter), because there is nothing wrong with remote-repping. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Darth Gustav
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Posted - 2011.01.25 22:01:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia I stand by that. RR is working exactly like it should. Today has shown nothing different, nor is CCP's statement any indication that it isn't. What's not working ù now, as we discussed then ù is how GCC is applied to people who has no control over it. If CCP has any brains whatsoever, they'll fix the actual problem (the distribution of criminal flaggingà and aggro flagging, for that matter), because there is nothing wrong with remote-repping.
They had a choice. Thy chose to rep somebody that they don't trust.
That they go GCC is their choice. The RR who chose to throw his or her lot in with a potential criminal pays the price.
It's a lot like hitch-hiking.
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