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Syphon Lodian
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.01.22 23:57:00 -
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Bots are Sansha reconnaissance spies. Waiting to strike.
You'll see. You will all see. No one will be laughing in a few days. That's when I expect their incursions to commence. ------------------------------------------------ |
Steve Thomas
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.01.23 00:00:00 -
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meh unless they nerfed them since yesterday, theres going to be sanshas in the belts next week that can basicly 3 volly a pasive tanked hulk with full expanders, and 4 volly a full 0.0 tank fit hulk thats afked or macroed in .9 space or lower.
by the end of the week the people who actualy create macroes will have figured out how to code there macroes to be safe vs the random Sancha gankswarm and or will have learned to go mining in mission space.
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Titus Phook
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.01.23 00:59:00 -
[33]
Edited by: Titus Phook on 23/01/2011 01:01:43
Originally by: Brainless Bimbo
So just cos local chat is lame you wont say WTF in it, yeah right, your that cool, but maybe your just an alt who¦s got a bot who wants to deflect when they get pulled..... Now that's just as believable.
what's the point of saying WTF in local if the people in local are either
a: not talking b: boosting their epeens
yes this is my forum/trade/mining alt, and no I'm not trying to deflect from accusations of botting no matter how believable you may think it is, my main is a carebear running missions and raiding other peoples sleeper sites , which is probably better money than botting anyway. --------------------------------------------- Proudly posting with my Alt since 2009
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Kewso
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Posted - 2011.01.23 01:31:00 -
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pfft still wont stop me from botting my miner while i farm 4's
:P
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Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2011.01.23 02:32:00 -
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Originally by: DumnHippi Fragged a bot miner Hulk yesterday. Ahhh. Sweet revenge. A friend left the game in frustration due to the rampant bot mining and it's effect on the market. Human players are at a disadvantage if part of their income is due to mining.
Funny :-)
CCP made mining low isk and boring not bots.
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Steve Thomas
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.01.23 08:02:00 -
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I still say that if the real problem with the mineral supply is not macro mining bots but mission running bots then the solution is to have people come swarming out of low-0-0 sec like a plage of death undying and wipe out the mission hubs. |
Bryg Philomena
Don't Taze Me Bro
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Posted - 2011.01.23 08:21:00 -
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Originally by: mkmin
Originally by: Marlowe Fox so HOW do you know your attacking a Bot? how can you tell its not just some innocent miner noob? I hate bot miners as much as the next person...but how do you know for sure?
Give- aways please
Even if it's a real player, everyone should learn to watch local, at least watch for their name being spoken, and to make some kind of response to private convos. And if they don't want to do either, well, they can take the loss and either keep losing or they can learn.
Really? I find it easier to just watch a movie and minimize all the windows I ain't using if I'm mining. No, I don't want to talk to you. Not to say I mine, but christ this is a stupid mentality. People don't always feel like talking to you. I read books, I watch movies. Don't interrupt.
No, what you are saying is you don't like people that don't play eve in a pvp fashion, and as such they deserve to die. Now, I think everyone in eve deserves to die, not just miners. You just are hating on easy prey. |
mkmin
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Posted - 2011.01.23 10:10:00 -
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Originally by: Bryg Philomena
Originally by: mkmin
Originally by: Marlowe Fox so HOW do you know your attacking a Bot? how can you tell its not just some innocent miner noob? I hate bot miners as much as the next person...but how do you know for sure?
Give- aways please
Even if it's a real player, everyone should learn to watch local, at least watch for their name being spoken, and to make some kind of response to private convos. And if they don't want to do either, well, they can take the loss and either keep losing or they can learn.
Really? I find it easier to just watch a movie and minimize all the windows I ain't using if I'm mining. No, I don't want to talk to you. Not to say I mine, but christ this is a stupid mentality. People don't always feel like talking to you. I read books, I watch movies. Don't interrupt.
No, what you are saying is you don't like people that don't play eve in a pvp fashion, and as such they deserve to die. Now, I think everyone in eve deserves to die, not just miners. You just are hating on easy prey.
Not going to feel compassion to people who refuse to prevent their own loss. Gonna file that under "your own damned fault for not paying attention." |
DumnHippi
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Posted - 2011.01.23 16:02:00 -
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got another one this morning. System is now empty.
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Bryg Philomena
Don't Taze Me Bro
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Posted - 2011.01.23 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: mkmin
Originally by: Bryg Philomena
Originally by: mkmin
Originally by: Marlowe Fox so HOW do you know your attacking a Bot? how can you tell its not just some innocent miner noob? I hate bot miners as much as the next person...but how do you know for sure?
Give- aways please
Even if it's a real player, everyone should learn to watch local, at least watch for their name being spoken, and to make some kind of response to private convos. And if they don't want to do either, well, they can take the loss and either keep losing or they can learn.
Really? I find it easier to just watch a movie and minimize all the windows I ain't using if I'm mining. No, I don't want to talk to you. Not to say I mine, but christ this is a stupid mentality. People don't always feel like talking to you. I read books, I watch movies. Don't interrupt.
No, what you are saying is you don't like people that don't play eve in a pvp fashion, and as such they deserve to die. Now, I think everyone in eve deserves to die, not just miners. You just are hating on easy prey.
Not going to feel compassion to people who refuse to prevent their own loss. Gonna file that under "your own damned fault for not paying attention."
Really, Cause you feel the need for me to talk to you? **** off. I don't want to talk to you. |
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V'hellu
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.23 18:47:00 -
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Macro mining is the only legitimate way to mine in Eve. Otherwise, you're not playing a game, you're just afk mining anyway. AFK mining is just as illegitimate as macro mining.
Deal with the macro miners, they make the ship costs go down, and I am happy with that. |
Le Sabre
Gallente The Dead Canary Mining Corporation
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Posted - 2011.01.23 19:09:00 -
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Why does everyone who plays Eve 'have' to earn a certain amount before its considered by everyone else to be worthwhile?
Not everyone in game plays to earn billions, some people play for the fun of playing. Who cares if someone can make better isk doing something else, they are more than welcome to f-off and go do it while leaving the guys who are not playing just to be e-billionaires to their business.
On topic, yes CCP should do more to remove the 'botters' from the game, they permeate almost every profession and marketplace. Can we push CCP into doing it right now? No, the best anyone can do is report suspected botters, blow them up if you want, and generally do whatever possible to make it harder for them to operate. I bet half the people that complain about botters never report them anyway.
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Helicity Boson
Amarr The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.01.23 19:17:00 -
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macro miners you say...
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Ryhss
Caldari QuanNet Evolved
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Posted - 2011.01.23 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: DumnHippi can't WD a starter corp. Maybe starter NPC corps should be removed from the game. Then we could WD all the bot miners... All for it.
Hmmmm, not a bad idea. But where would new toons start out employed?
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Hroya
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Posted - 2011.01.23 19:41:00 -
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Edited by: Hroya on 23/01/2011 19:41:52
Originally by: Syphon Lodian
Wtf are you talking about? Don't you think you'r exaggerating a bit, or are you really that dense? I've played EVE for 3 years, and mined quite a bit of it. I do not recall ever seeing someone whom I suspected of being a bot. I'm serious.
Where are all these elusive swarms of bots everyone seems to rage against? Could it be.. that they're part of major "respected" alliances, and virtually nowhere else?
Hulkageddon was nothing more than an event to grief miners. Nothing more. CCP will not put a serious dent in the "bot population" because said "bot swarms" are residents of major alliances and corps that CCP is hesitant to butting heads with. You know, subscriber base and major-hitters and all that. That's just my opinion anyway.
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Optimus Night
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Posted - 2011.01.23 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: Ryhss
Originally by: DumnHippi can't WD a starter corp. Maybe starter NPC corps should be removed from the game. Then we could WD all the bot miners... All for it.
Hmmmm, not a bad idea. But where would new toons start out employed?
New Starters stay for 31 days in starter corp. After that they are flying on their own - independent if you will or have to join a corp or create one.
Not much gameplay involved into NPC corp anyways...
what does CCp make against macro miners? cant they be spoted?
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Rhodes 73
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.23 21:20:00 -
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Originally by: V'hellu Macro mining is the only legitimate way to mine in Eve. Otherwise, you're not playing a game, you're just afk mining anyway. AFK mining is just as illegitimate as macro mining.
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How 'bout... Not. AFK mining is fine. If you're taking a dump and some ganker pops your hulk while afk, your bad.
With the multitude of Macro Mining programs available, you can program actions based on threats and they can run 23.5/7. And it clearly states in the gospel of EULA that you're not to run macros. Let's see how many days in a row you can afk mine 23.5/7.
Pop 'em. It's fun. Cuz CCP isn't gonna do anything about it. I guess their inaction sanctions botting. "It's cold in space." |
Musashi IV
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Posted - 2011.01.24 12:11:00 -
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Kill all bot miners!!
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flapie 2
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.01.24 12:34:00 -
[49]
More ghost story's, and another afk miner that got killed.
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My Postman
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Posted - 2011.01.24 12:52:00 -
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As it¦s sometimes hard to 100% identify a bot, i did a bit of investigation in and around my "home" system (highsec).
In my home system there are AT LEAST 4 macroes (on 23/7, not responding to local/personal, landing on top of you start mining the rock your lazors are on). All using civilian shield boosters, lol. There are about 15 more in surrounding systems, i¦m not 100% sure.
My alt will take care of that while Hulkageddon.
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Brainless Bimbo
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.01.24 13:09:00 -
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Originally by: Titus Phook Edited by: Titus Phook on 23/01/2011 01:18:00
Originally by: Brainless Bimbo
So just cos local chat is lame you wont say WTF in it, yeah right, your that cool, but maybe your just an alt who¦s got a bot who wants to deflect when they get pulled..... Now that's just as believable.
what's the point of saying WTF in local if the people in local are either
a: not talking b: boosting their epeens
From your assessment anyone who's mining that doesn't accept chat requests or talk in local is a bot, yes bots are cheating at the game, learn to deal with it & suicide them or petition them as CCP want you to, but don't be shocked when you suicide someone thats actually just afk taking a crap while their hulk mines away for 10 minutes.
edit I can't spell for toffee at 1am
I catch em all the time, some even admit it and brush it off, bots are easy enough to catch out, you just gotta remember their limitations, chat is only one of them.
As to attracting a response, against a human you can not fail if they are staring at the screen, nothing happens from them without the client being up and direct interaction with it.
Lastly, are you doing research to improve your bot program? or using one and wanting a back story? or trying to find out how your alt got caught using one? ...... continues overleaf. |
Stu Pid
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Posted - 2011.01.24 13:15:00 -
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I did not do any mining for more then 6 months for sure as the mineral prices are just to low to even bother to get my hulk out of my hangar.
But I did do a lot of mining when the prices were still ok and could make some isk during work with half afk mining, no bots no macro programs just click on the next cycle in between the customers. I did not always respond on local as I have my own chat rooms and local chat is mostly crap anyway so this not responding does not make ( me ) a macro miner.
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Thrauskold Dreir
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Posted - 2011.01.24 13:20:00 -
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Blowing up bot miners doesn't make a single dent. Most of the market comes from bots, it isn't player driven and it isn't free, most of what's on there is, in one way or another, from a bot. Whether someone bought materials mined from a bot to manufacture items from a BP, to big alliance in nullsec using bots to mine 23/7 and sell billions worth of BP items every single day (which all the biggest ones do), pretty much the entire market is bot driven.
So, blowing up their Hulks won't change a thing, it requires CCP to do something about it, but CCP make a lot of money from bots.
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Elleni Stareru
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Posted - 2011.01.24 13:30:00 -
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So would I get considered a bot when I mine with my 3 hulks and orca <.<? is there a time when it's not considered botting.
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Titus Phook
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.01.24 14:38:00 -
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Edited by: Titus Phook on 24/01/2011 14:47:20 Edited by: Titus Phook on 24/01/2011 14:46:34
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I catch em all the time, some even admit it and brush it off, bots are easy enough to catch out, you just gotta remember their limitations, chat is only one of them.
As to attracting a response, against a human you can not fail if they are staring at the screen, nothing happens from them without the client being up and direct interaction with it.
Lastly, are you doing research to improve your bot program? or using one and wanting a back story? or trying to find out how your alt got caught using one?
So when I'm mining I should respond to random morons in local or PM? Get stuffed, it's my subscription if I don't want to talk to you I won't and if someone thinks I'm a bot so be it, a hulk is a weeks profit from trading if that. I use the time I spend mining to do other things like read a book, empty the washing machine & browse the web so I'm generally busy and can't be bothered to respond or just plain don't want to converse. Staring at mining lasers for 10 minutes is enough to drive a person insane.
and for your last statement, which to be frank reeks of someone desperatley trying to cover their own arse, those who do shady things are often the most outspoken opponents of shady things (governments for example) ... see what I did there?
a: I can't program for diddly, my programming skills & experience ended with BASIC and pascal sometime in the late 80's b: I don't bot, so I don't need a backstory or excuses c: none of my accounts has ever been banned because, guess what, I don't run a bot.
personally I have no problem with people who bot, it doesn't effect me in any way, I don't sell what I mine I manufacture with it.
--------------------------------------------- Proudly posting with my Alt since 2009
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Captain Megadeath
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Posted - 2011.01.24 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: Titus Phook Trying to justify AFK mining
AFK mining is also a scourge that needs to be eradicated as well.
You should be at you keyboard (ingame) and either juggling loads from miners - orca - hauler and/or scanning local and directional scanner for trouble. Its AFK scum as well as bots that give miners a bad name.
Talking about "someone desperatley trying to cover their own arse" Thats why during Hulkageddon, even though I am a miner/industrialist I am going to contribute prizes for the most AFK fit hulks killed (i.e. cargo rigs/expanders)
TL:DR AFK miners need shot in face too.
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails my name actually is short for catherine
Yeah, Katie Door perhaps...... lol
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Titus Phook
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.01.24 14:57:00 -
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pfft I afk mine, so what?, everybody plays the game in their own fashion, it's no worse than going into a lvl 4 in a Domi, getting aggro and releasing the drones then buggering off to watch TV or keep the wife happy. --------------------------------------------- Proudly posting with my Alt since 2009
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Titus Phook
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.01.24 15:01:00 -
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ooh and hulkaggedon? gotta check my thrasher & arty stock then break out the BPO to make some more.
Profits to be made --------------------------------------------- Proudly posting with my Alt since 2009
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Golanik
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Posted - 2011.01.24 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: FleshyHeadedMutant
Are you kidding? 8 effin bot miners in every system doesn't effect the economy? Let alone rippin' the arse out of the good stuff in most belts, leaving slim pickings for human miners.
Yeah BOTS go BOTS go!
I've found that bots don't usually mine station-less systems, so set up your Hulk in a system without a station next to one that does, and use a hauler to move the ore from Hulk to base. I got 99 problems but a bot ain't one.
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oldmanst4r
Minmatar oldmanst4r's Corporation
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Posted - 2011.01.24 15:25:00 -
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Good, now take the next step and start trapping macro ravens in null with bubbles and logoffsky tricks. That's where the real fun (and money) is.
Originally by: CCP Shadow
*snip* Castration successful. Shadow.
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