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Marenteius
Caldari
draketrain
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Posted - 2011.01.23 07:56:00 -
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Why the bias against nation he asks?
Simple: Should nation WIN (or indeed, should any of the empires win), the CHAOS will end. this is a bad thing, as it makes New Eden less interesting. If Nation wants to make its own 5th empire in Stain (and can kick out the nullsec capuleers who inhabit it), then let him. If he wants to become the only empire left, i want him stopped! |
Unit XS365BT
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Posted - 2011.01.23 14:23:00 -
[62]
Edited by: Unit XS365BT on 23/01/2011 14:27:05
Unit finds these constant Ramblings amusing.
Continue.
Such interesting words from you pilot Jaiga, However, analysis does seem to prove your words, and those of Dr C to be false.
We Return.
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Dilaro thagriin
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Posted - 2011.01.23 14:26:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Rek Jaiga
Long dead? You do realize that some heirs to the imperial throne have lived up to ages of around five hundred years, right? A hundred years isn't that long for those with cybernetic implants. I mean look at Kuvakei himself: he's been alive for well over a hundred years and looks decently young.
Rek. you should know better than to compare any matari to an Amarrian holder.yes, some amarrian slavers are still alive from that time, but if history serves, they sold matari slaves to nation last time round, before turning on you.
if Kuvakei is truly angry at those who turned on him, then he should fight those holders, those heirs that are still alive from that time.
proof that he, and those who follow him, are hypocrites does not, in and way, shape or form, jusify his actions.
Originally by: Rek Jaiga
So you are the judge, jury, and executioner sent to deprive people of their happiness.
No rek.... Kuvakei has already done that, taking people from their homes, their lives, their pets, their families. destroying who they were and replacing them with his idea of what they should believe.
Happiness is not an emotion slaves have at any point shown, true or otherwise.
there is NO WAY your fool propoganda can turn this in your favour. Kuvakei has stolen millions of people and forcefully made them believe in his dream. which is no utopian heaven, but, as you yourself have stated a 'neccessary period of military growth' so in essence, these unfortunates have been pressganged into nation vessels, and used, ONCE AGAIN as a meatshield for Kuvakei and his chosen few.
(most of which are female i may add. perhaps this shows who the 'utopia' if it does exist is for... Kuvakei and his Harem of technologically controlled true slave wenches.)
you and carbonite both claim Kuvakei has forgiven covenant forces for their assaults upon his 'nation' but not forgiven others? Laughable, yet another double standard.
as for carbonite's claim that my statement that the definitions of slavery i listed were not my definitions 'made no point' i think he will find, should he read it again, that my point was simply that they were not MY definitions. A point made quite clear by the statement made.
And carbonite, i enjoy my freedom. and it is not the norm of my people.
my people are warriors, i am not. my culture is nomadic, i am not. what about my way of life has been forced upon me by matari culture? other than my love of freedom, which is by no means a purely matari trait.
your 'evidence' is flawed carbonite. i have taken to the skies on many occasions, i merely chose not to do battle amongst the stars. I became a capsuleer to honour the memory of my brother, who, after becomming a capsuleer himself, and doing battle against the amarrians was killed, along with all his clones, by agents of Karsoth.
You have made the same assumptions as niraia did, she was wrong too.
I have had enough of trading words with those who obviously prefer hypocrisy to reason.
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Kaizoe Ocshtau
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Posted - 2011.01.23 14:41:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Carcosa Hali
Because you don't know it.
What, that you can't leave Nation? You wouldn't be a True Slave if you want to leave Nation. And getting away from Nation while you are still a free human doesn't seems likely. |
Rek Jaiga
Minmatar
Crimson Path
Shaktipat Revelators
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Posted - 2011.01.23 18:32:00 -
[65]
"It Begins or it Ends".
I will be pleased to see you on the battlefield, should you choose to undock. |
Dilaro thagriin
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Posted - 2011.01.24 03:57:00 -
[66]
all your arguments are now reduced to quoting your 'master'
free will indeed.
Fools.
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Rek Jaiga
Minmatar
Crimson Path
Shaktipat Revelators
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Posted - 2011.01.24 05:27:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Dilaro thagriin
all your arguments are now reduced to quoting your 'master'
free will indeed.
Fools.
I quote him because he's wise. He speaks the Truth, and is an inspiration to us all. Do you not also quote sayings held among the Tribes?
We are a result of our respective societies. Quoting a large public figure in said society shouldn't come as a shock.
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GIGAR
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.24 11:20:00 -
[68]
It's funny.
There isn't much difference between a Capsuleer ship and a True Slaves ship.
The only real difference is, that the latter lack the arrogance and personal greed that is commonly found within the Capsuleers.
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Dilaro thagriin
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Posted - 2011.01.24 13:50:00 -
[69]
Originally by: GIGAR
It's funny.
There isn't much difference between a Capsuleer ship and a True Slaves ship.
The only real difference is, that the latter lack the arrogance and personal greed that is commonly found within the Capsuleers.
And personality, free will, personal goals, Joy, why is it you people don't seem to understand how much he has stolen from you?
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Hooch Flux
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.24 13:57:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Dilaro thagriin
Originally by: GIGAR
It's funny.
There isn't much difference between a Capsuleer ship and a True Slaves ship.
The only real difference is, that the latter lack the arrogance and personal greed that is commonly found within the Capsuleers.
And personality, free will, personal goals, Joy, why is it you people don't seem to understand how much he has stolen from you?
Not in the program!
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Doctor Carbonatite
True Slave News Network
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Posted - 2011.01.24 15:35:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Dilaro thagriin
Originally by: GIGAR
It's funny.
There isn't much difference between a Capsuleer ship and a True Slaves ship.
The only real difference is, that the latter lack the arrogance and personal greed that is commonly found within the Capsuleers.
And personality, free will, personal goals, Joy, why is it you people don't seem to understand how much he has stolen from you?
Have you undocked yet?
Also, if you think joy has been stolen from us, you should have listened to our fleet comms during and immediately following our success in Promised Land.
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Space Grannie
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Posted - 2011.01.24 18:06:00 -
[72]
Edited by: Space Grannie on 24/01/2011 18:06:18
I think Kuvakeis mother should have beat him more often.
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Carcosa Hali
Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2011.01.24 19:00:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Dilaro thagriin
Originally by: GIGAR
It's funny.
There isn't much difference between a Capsuleer ship and a True Slaves ship.
The only real difference is, that the latter lack the arrogance and personal greed that is commonly found within the Capsuleers.
And personality, free will, personal goals, Joy, why is it you people don't seem to understand how much he has stolen from you?
Why is it can't understand that I have never been happier in my life? Not in the creches as a child, nor on board the Osprey-class ship that I was bred by the State to crew, nor when hauling slaves for the Murkon Family..
I have truly never felt more safe, more unafraid than since the day when the Sansha found me among the wreckage of my Moa and rebuilt me.
I say that you are the one who does not understand. What Glory truly is, what Love really feels like, or how a thing of such Beauty can shatter every preconception your society rammed into your head as you grew up... You are asleep, and yet you do not Dream.
You have never looked out over an ocean of millions of souls, and known that every single one of them is there for you. This is my Dream, this is my Happiness, this is my overwhelming Joy. And I revel in it every moment of every day.
That pathetic charade that you call a life, quaking in a station, afraid to even undock.. that simply cannot compete.
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This Bitter Earth.. What fruit it bears.. |
Andro Ryan
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.01.24 19:14:00 -
[74]
Edited by: Andro Ryan on 24/01/2011 19:14:38
Originally by: Carcosa Hali
Originally by: Dilaro thagriin
Originally by: GIGAR
It's funny.
There isn't much difference between a Capsuleer ship and a True Slaves ship.
The only real difference is, that the latter lack the arrogance and personal greed that is commonly found within the Capsuleers.
And personality, free will, personal goals, Joy, why is it you people don't seem to understand how much he has stolen from you?
Why is it can't understand that I have never been happier in my life? Not in the creches as a child, nor on board the Osprey-class ship that I was bred by the State to crew, nor when hauling slaves for the Murkon Family..
I have truly never felt more safe, more unafraid than since the day when the Sansha found me among the wreckage of my Moa and rebuilt me.
I say that you are the one who does not understand. What Glory truly is, what Love really feels like, or how a thing of such Beauty can shatter every preconception your society rammed into your head as you grew up... You are asleep, and yet you do not Dream.
You have never looked out over an ocean of millions of souls, and known that every single one of them is there for you. This is my Dream, this is my Happiness, this is my overwhelming Joy. And I revel in it every moment of every day.
That pathetic charade that you call a life, quaking in a station, afraid to even undock.. that simply cannot compete.
That ocean of souls is not there for you. They are there for your kindly Master Kuvakei. The saddest part of this whole Nation business is that the slaves truly are happy. They have no choice but to BE happy. If Kuvakei told a fleet of his toasters to fly into the nearest sun so he could observe from how far away he could see their candescence they would happily oblige and chatter away about how great it was. Killing these creatures is a kindness.
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Maximum Kiely
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.24 21:14:00 -
[75]
Edited by: Maximum Kiely on 24/01/2011 21:14:41
Originally by: Space Grannie
Edited by: Space Grannie on 24/01/2011 18:06:18
I think Kuvakeis mother should have beat him more often.
I heard Kuvakei's momma is so fat she makes an orca look like a cormorant.
Now based out of Molden Heath! - Contact Maximum Kiely |
GIGAR
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.25 11:26:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Andro Ryan
Edited by: Andro Ryan on 24/01/2011 19:14:38
Originally by: Carcosa Hali
Originally by: Dilaro thagriin
Originally by: GIGAR
It's funny.
There isn't much difference between a Capsuleer ship and a True Slaves ship.
The only real difference is, that the latter lack the arrogance and personal greed that is commonly found within the Capsuleers.
And personality, free will, personal goals, Joy, why is it you people don't seem to understand how much he has stolen from you?
Why is it can't understand that I have never been happier in my life? Not in the creches as a child, nor on board the Osprey-class ship that I was bred by the State to crew, nor when hauling slaves for the Murkon Family..
I have truly never felt more safe, more unafraid than since the day when the Sansha found me among the wreckage of my Moa and rebuilt me.
I say that you are the one who does not understand. What Glory truly is, what Love really feels like, or how a thing of such Beauty can shatter every preconception your society rammed into your head as you grew up... You are asleep, and yet you do not Dream.
You have never looked out over an ocean of millions of souls, and known that every single one of them is there for you. This is my Dream, this is my Happiness, this is my overwhelming Joy. And I revel in it every moment of every day.
That pathetic charade that you call a life, quaking in a station, afraid to even undock.. that simply cannot compete.
That ocean of souls is not there for you. They are there for your kindly Master Kuvakei. The saddest part of this whole Nation business is that the slaves truly are happy. They have no choice but to BE happy. If Kuvakei told a fleet of his toasters to fly into the nearest sun so he could observe from how far away he could see their candescence they would happily oblige and chatter away about how great it was. Killing these creatures is a kindness.
I'm sorry, I don't understand the concept of "happy people should be killed for their own good!".
In my 3-4 years as a Capsuleer, I've never found more enjoyment or unity than within my time along the Sansha.
I have a purpose now. Do you?
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Kaizoe Ocshtau
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Posted - 2011.01.25 13:52:00 -
[77]
Originally by: GIGAR
I'm sorry, I don't understand the concept of "happy people should be killed for their own good!".
In my 3-4 years as a Capsuleer, I've never found more enjoyment or unity than within my time along the Sansha.
I have a purpose now. Do you?
It's not really "happy people should be killed", it's "kill the ones that are forced in to a state of happiness that can't be questioned or escape."
Sansha's Nation is built so that you got Sansha at the top, and everyone is his puppet. True Slaves are a human/robot hybrid that is forced in to it. He is the ruler and can you question him? Not that I know.
To add points between the Amarr Empires slaves and Sansha's Nations slaves are (as stated before) that the Nations slaves are FORCED in to accepting and enjoying their slavery. The slaves in the Empire either joins the Empire or finds a way to escape it.
If we can deprogram the True Slaves from the Nations reprogramming, then that would be better then having to kill them.
Getting someone to turn their back on The Scriptures, you just have to wait and hope they can see they have been manipulated to believe in it.
Ending words: True Slaves are forced to be slaves, and like it.
Slaves in the Empire are forced to slavery, but the treatment differce from slaver holder to slave holder. There is also always a way out of it.
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Hooch Flux
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.25 13:56:00 -
[78]
Edited by: Hooch Flux on 25/01/2011 13:57:19
Originally by: Kaizoe Ocshtau
Originally by: GIGAR
I'm sorry, I don't understand the concept of "happy people should be killed for their own good!".
In my 3-4 years as a Capsuleer, I've never found more enjoyment or unity than within my time along the Sansha.
I have a purpose now. Do you?
It's not really "happy people should be killed", it's "kill the ones that are forced in to a state of happiness that can't be questioned or escape."
Sansha's Nation is built so that you got Sansha at the top, and everyone is his puppet. True Slaves are a human/robot hybrid that is forced in to it. He is the ruler and can you question him? Not that I know.
To add points between the Amarr Empires slaves and Sansha's Nations slaves are (as stated before) that the Nations slaves are FORCED in to accepting and enjoying their slavery. The slaves in the Empire either joins the Empire or finds a way to escape it.
If we can deprogram the True Slaves from the Nations reprogramming, then that would be better then having to kill them.
Getting someone to turn their back on The Scriptures, you just have to wait and hope they can see they have been manipulated to believe in it.
Ending words: True Slaves are forced to be slaves, and like it.
Slaves in the Empire are forced to slavery, but the treatment differce from slaver holder to slave holder. There is also always a way out of it.
You do realize you are talking to someone who is at best brainwashed or at worst software?
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Deerin
Minmatar
Murientor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.01.25 14:49:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Doctor Carbonatite
1).....allow me to simply point out that the Amarr have been doing this to the Minmitar for centuries, yet not only are they not persecuted for such, they enjoy CONCORD-enforced immunity from consequences.
2)....The CONCORD-protected Amarr, on the other hand, do to the Minmitar exactly what Nation is accused of doing, yet do it with a drug that not only robs people of their minds and wills, but causes an agonizing death if withheld.
4)......or the mind-altered and known slave abuser Jamyl Sarum, who promoted a commander for killing millions of civilians.......
I truly do not understand the level of prejudice aimed at Nation on the parts of the Empires, capsuleers, and the obviously Amarr-favoring CONCORD, especially while the Amarr Empire continues to commit and even exceed the kinds of atrocities Nation is accused of and do so with impunity. I look forward to a rational explanation.
Here is your explanation:
The real problem is not the negative bias against Sansha, it is the positive bias of CONCORD against Amarr Empire. Sansha and Amarr are different sides of same coin. Both are oppressionist slavers and both WILL perish. Me and my tribe will see to it.
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Kaizoe Ocshtau
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2011.01.26 12:54:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Hooch Flux
You do realize you are talking to someone who is at best brainwashed or at worst software?
Yeah, but head-butting a stonewall long enough and something will break.
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Zedrik Cayne
Gallente
Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2011.01.26 16:40:00 -
[81]
There is bias against nation for one reason and one reason only. It is because the media has only provided one side of the story to everyone.
After some long hours of investigation, and helped by one of my corpmates... I have come to some rather interesting conclusions.
The only reason that nation did not 'take' any more people from the surfaces of planets, had very little to do with capsuleer interference. And had more to do with the actual screening of supposed victims. I have had some access to witness these new implants and the technology behind them, and believe that as our capsules can scan our personalities, memories, and knowledge at the point of 'imminent death'. A much simpler and non-lethal scan should be possible to discover whether or not someone's personality matrix would be happier or more pleased under a different set of circumstances. Not everyone was 'kidnapped' and it was not 'random' as some digging and investigation has uncovered.
Consider this: The average life of the average person on a planet is one of abject poverty, incredibly short, working under a perfect capitalism that is perpetuated by the empires. The promise of being one of the elite, the rich, is enough to keep most of the planet-bound glued to their toil.
The citizens do not have the material wealth to travel, to experience anything other than what is fed to them by the media which is controlled by the mega corporations who are not concerned with loosening their hold on power. They have never been told that there is an alternative. Or if they do hear whispers of an alternative, it is shrouded in 'evil'.
Even the majority of capsuleers, infinitely more wealthy than the majority of the planet-bound. Have been spoon fed the stories for so long they have no other thoughts, cannot see the other alternatives beyond the perfect capitalism.
Once informed, and shown the choice that they have, what planet bound plebe would not jump at the chance at immortality. At the idea of being a part of something greater. Of actually helping their fellow man and sharing in the wealth. This is a concept that is foreign to most of you. At some points in the distant past it was called 'socialism'. The idea that no one man was actually worth more than the other, that everyone had a right to fruitful employment and freedom to enjoy themselves and to not starve and to have a good education.
But there is an alternative now. The investigation as performed by the IEEE has uncovered this alternative. And it is Nation. Our investigations have uncovered that anyone who passes the screening processes that nation uses, is infinitely happier once they have been given their choice. And that they are angry at having been held back by the society they were a part of for so long. Angry enough to take up arms against the tyranny of the empires. And Nation gives them that power.
I was recently a part of trying to organize the 'resistance' in Coleile as a part of the whole investigation in the matter. So much carnage, ships lost on both sides. Capsuleers lost thousands upon thousands of crew. Do you know how many of Nation died? Zero. As far as I have been able to discern, there is truth to the statement 'there is no death in Nation'.
Everyone in Nation, the crews who support the capsuleer ships, the crews of the normally crewed ships...all have clones ready. Their corpses can litter the space lanes, and they will be back to continue the fight. Can we say the same for our crews?
Read the truth. I have completed my investigations into Nation. But I think I have only begun to investigate the empire's involvement in this. The IEEE's main mission, is to root out bad operating practices. And the whole affair has opened my eyes. And the eyes of my corpmates. Standards and Practices stands ready at the side of Nation.
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Originally by: "RedSplat"
You're the internet equivalent of a Deepfried Mars bar filled with stupid.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.01.26 17:46:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Rek Jaiga
It is not slavery in that the True Slaves are willfully doing Kuvakei's work; they do not view themselves as slaves.
Because they were forced to believe that.
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Andreus Ixiris
CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Mel Lifera
Gallente
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2011.01.26 17:47:00 -
[83]
I'm typically wont to defer to the results of an IEEE investigation. Unfortunately in this case, last evening I responded along with local forces to numerous civilian distress calls which very clearly begged for succor from encroaching Sansha; and in every case, the rescue fleet was immediately and preemptively attacked upon arrival by Sansha aggressors. The Sansha do not seem to screen those they attempt to "save", nor do they seem to even ask if they indeed wish to be saved.
Additionally, while dutifully patrolling local asteroid belts for perpetrators of unsafe mining procedures and removing unlicensed impediments to navigation, I witnessed several small Sansha vessels arrive and immediately attack other ships in the belt who were not attempting to interfere with Sansha's interactions with civilians in any way. As rules are rules, I ordered the Sansha ships to stop littering the belt with unsightly wrecks and was rebuffed, and even rudely fired upon for my trouble. As persistent as these troublemakers were, I was eventually forced to destroy their ships. A bill of fines and charges for services has been prepared and sent to Master Kuvakei.
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GIGAR
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.26 18:17:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Hooch Flux
You do realize you are talking to someone who is at best brainwashed or at worst software?
I can guarantee you, that I am, in fact, neither a True Slave or a piece of software.
My request for such procedures got denied.
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Originally by: Rek Jaiga
It is not slavery in that the True Slaves are willfully doing Kuvakei's work; they do not view themselves as slaves.
Because they were forced to believe that.
This brings out a rather interesting point;
If you could detach a True Slave from Nation, would he (or she) chose to live a miserable life amongst the Empires, or would he rejoin the Nations paradise, even if he knew it was only in his mind?
Also: Zedrik Cayne should be given a medal for not being another blind follower of the Empires.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.01.26 19:05:00 -
[85]
Originally by: GIGAR
If you could detach a True Slave from Nation, would he (or she) chose to live a miserable life amongst the Empires, or would he rejoin the Nations paradise, even if he knew it was only in his mind?
The pathetically biased framing of this question aside, I doubt the answer to that question would make you very happy.
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Andreus Ixiris
CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Rek Jaiga
Minmatar
Crimson Path
Shaktipat Revelators
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Posted - 2011.01.26 19:55:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Zedrik Cayne
Do you know how many of Nation died? Zero. As far as I have been able to discern, there is truth to the statement 'there is no death in Nation'.
Everyone in Nation, the crews who support the capsuleer ships, the crews of the normally crewed ships...all have clones ready. Their corpses can litter the space lanes, and they will be back to continue the fight. Can we say the same for our crews?
Read the truth. I have completed my investigations into Nation. But I think I have only begun to investigate the empire's involvement in this. The IEEE's main mission, is to root out bad operating practices. And the whole affair has opened my eyes. And the eyes of my corpmates. Standards and Practices stands ready at the side of Nation.
Finally! I'm glad your findings agreed with our statements; it proves they are indeed fact. As comrade GIGAR said, you deserve a medal for such unbiased investigative work.
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Zedrik Cayne
Gallente
Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2011.01.26 22:15:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Mel Lifera
I'm typically wont to defer to the results of an IEEE investigation. Unfortunately in this case, last evening I responded along with local forces to numerous civilian distress calls which very clearly begged for succor from encroaching Sansha; and in every case, the rescue fleet was immediately and preemptively attacked upon arrival by Sansha aggressors. The Sansha do not seem to screen those they attempt to "save", nor do they seem to even ask if they indeed wish to be saved.
Additionally, while dutifully patrolling local asteroid belts for perpetrators of unsafe mining procedures and removing unlicensed impediments to navigation, I witnessed several small Sansha vessels arrive and immediately attack other ships in the belt who were not attempting to interfere with Sansha's interactions with civilians in any way. As rules are rules, I ordered the Sansha ships to stop littering the belt with unsightly wrecks and was rebuffed, and even rudely fired upon for my trouble. As persistent as these troublemakers were, I was eventually forced to destroy their ships. A bill of fines and charges for services has been prepared and sent to Master Kuvakei.
I'm afraid that you still do not see the big picture. Let me paint for you the larger scenario.
For years... agents of the mega corporations have been sending capsuleers out to take care of Sansha forces that are 'invading', 'pillaging', 'destroying the peace'. Couched in hundreds of different ways... it all amounts to the same thing: 'Go here...remove the Sansha'.
And for years, the capsuleers have blindly followed. But have you ever on your trips to remove the threat, ever seen the Sansha actually shoot at any civilian target? Certainly they aggress the capsuleer, who they know have been sent there to kill them. It didn't take long for the people of Nation to realize this. And they do try to defend themselves.
Those 'civilian distress reports' are all fabricated by the overlords of empire, and CONCORD. As yet another call to action for the capsuleers. It sickens me that the pod population are being used in this manner. And even worse, that none of them have ever considered that there might be another truth. That there is a conspiracy. One only known to the highest levels of the mega corporations and dutifully passed down in the pablum of the media, in the contents of our agent missions.
If Nation were truly evil. Would they not obliterate pods as well as ships? I believe, and have some corroborating evidence, that Nation is trying to overthrow the empires to bring to the forefront their civilization. For the first time in a long time, the people of New Eden have a choice in how they wish to live their lives. Do you want to live under the panacea of pure capitalism? Or do you want to live under the panacea of pure socialism?
We see how the average citizen fares under capitalism. Maybe it is time for a change.
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Originally by: "RedSplat"
You're the internet equivalent of a Deepfried Mars bar filled with stupid.
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Mel Lifera
Gallente
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2011.01.26 22:40:00 -
[88]
I and my fellow alliance members fare decidedly well under capitalism, I must say...
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Gottii
Minmatar
Lutinari Syndicate
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2011.01.26 22:55:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Zedrik Cayne
I'm afraid that you still do not see the big picture. Let me paint for you the larger scenario....
....If Nation were truly evil. Would they not obliterate pods as well as ships? I believe, and have some corroborating evidence, that Nation is trying to overthrow the empires to bring to the forefront their civilization. For the first time in a long time, the people of New Eden have a choice in how they wish to live their lives. Do you want to live under the panacea of pure capitalism? Or do you want to live under the panacea of pure socialism?
To be frank, this argument in particular shows that you, not Captain Lifera, has a difficult time grasping the "big picture". In the "big picture", the Sansha attack any ship that wanders their way, killing or abducting thousands of crew at a time. They probably fail to shoot pods of capsuleers simply because, in the "big picture", its mostly pointless, we come back, the crews dont.
To say that those who murders thousands are absolved of evil simply because they fail to attempt to kill one more is ridiculous, and indicates youre looking at things solely from a "small picture" viewpoint, that being from the view of a capsuleer. Open your mind a bit and look outside of your rather pampered and privileged viewpoint.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.01.26 22:59:00 -
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Originally by: Zedrik Cayne
And for years, the capsuleers have blindly followed. But have you ever on your trips to remove the threat, ever seen the Sansha actually shoot at any civilian target?
Um, yes? When I did regular work for the Federation Navy, there were weekly attacks by Sansha slaves on civilian shipping so common you could actually set your watch by it. The prisoners they took - those that survived, that is - were universally poorly-treated.
Originally by: Zedrik Cayne
Those 'civilian distress reports' are all fabricated by the overlords of empire, and CONCORD.
They really aren't.
Originally by: Zedrik Cayne
If Nation were truly evil. Would they not obliterate pods as well as ships?
It's worth noting that the faction navies, CONCORD, other pirate factions, and even the wholy inhuman Sleepers and Rogue Drones don't pod, so your argument doesn't really hold water. That a rabid slaver may inexplicably balk at savaging a defenceless child does not mean it is any less dangerous.
Originally by: Zedrik Cayne
I believe, and have some corroborating evidence, that Nation is trying to overthrow the empires to bring to the forefront their civilization.
Which makes Nation no better than any of them.
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Andreus Ixiris
CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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