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Anne Arqui
Minmatar Diamonds in the Rough Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.01.19 14:57:00 -
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Edited by: Anne Arqui on 19/01/2011 14:57:39
Originally by: Zuper Zpy Not trying to be smart here, but why would the subject of this topic bother you if you dont play? Or are you being like the leader of the opposition party. Whatever the other side does you will oppose it out of principle ;)
Well that's simple: once I can do a bloodline change I'm happy to play on. And yes I still refresh my skillqueues of course (I payed 3 months in advance, silly me)! ;)
But I'm serious: it's just one account but I don't accept this. What would happen if Blizzard decided that orcs have to look like elves and humans will look like trolls just because they have a new character creator? It's ridiculous and respectless.
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Forum Guy
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Posted - 2011.01.19 15:03:00 -
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Originally by: Anne Arqui Edited by: Anne Arqui on 19/01/2011 14:42:12
Originally by: Zuper Zpy People just don't have the option to chose how they look. My point is that I doubt very much that CCP will do anything about it because they know that we WILL get over it. People will kick up a fuss and threaten to leave but I doubt that anyone who has played eve for years is going to manage without their daily fix.
Hm well that may be valid for you but I haven't played EVE since the last release, I don't bother to logon and play this way. I just post on the forums to show my discontent - and I'm not the only one, apparently.
I just wonder what's CCP's big problem. Nothing would be easier than to make a new one, swap the names and done. Even if it's for PLEX or a fee. They could just post some comment, not pretend the discontent and irritation just doesn't exist for months now (it was already mentioned in the 1st Sisi feedback thread back in october 2010!!).
I'm VERY disapppointed!
Originally by: Anne Arqui Edited by: Anne Arqui on 19/01/2011 14:42:12
Originally by: Zuper Zpy People just don't have the option to chose how they look. My point is that I doubt very much that CCP will do anything about it because they know that we WILL get over it. People will kick up a fuss and threaten to leave but I doubt that anyone who has played eve for years is going to manage without their daily fix.
Hm well that may be valid for you but I haven't played EVE since the last release, I don't bother to logon and play this way. I just post on the forums to show my discontent - and I'm not the only one, apparently.
I just wonder what's CCP's big problem. Nothing would be easier than to make a new one, swap the names and done. Even if it's for PLEX or a fee. They could just post some comment, not pretend the discontent and irritation just doesn't exist for months now (it was already mentioned in the 1st Sisi feedback thread back in october 2010!!).
I'm VERY disapppointed!
I can understand that.
The character traits were in the characters before the new system. The new system just made them more believable.
As for not wanting to play an Asian style character I can also understand that if you don't feel comfortable with it. That does not make you racist in any form.
I myself play both sexes, female characters can be Asian Africa, European, whatever I don't find it a problem as I don't RP female characters in anyway. Male characters I find hard to role play African and Asian male characters because sometimes I will role play those characters. It's all to do with what you feel comfortable with.
As for real people I don't care which country or race people are from, because people are just people regardless what else they are trying to be.
Being able to rechoose the bloodlines would have made the transition easier.
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Shander Maxum
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Posted - 2011.01.19 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: Forum Guy Edited by: Forum Guy on 19/01/2011 15:18:26
Originally by: Anne Arqui Edited by: Anne Arqui on 19/01/2011 14:42:12
Originally by: Zuper Zpy People just don't have the option to chose how they look. My point is that I doubt very much that CCP will do anything about it because they know that we WILL get over it. People will kick up a fuss and threaten to leave but I doubt that anyone who has played eve for years is going to manage without their daily fix.
Hm well that may be valid for you but I haven't played EVE since the last release, I don't bother to logon and play this way. I just post on the forums to show my discontent - and I'm not the only one, apparently.
I just wonder what's CCP's big problem. Nothing would be easier than to make a new one, swap the names and done. Even if it's for PLEX or a fee. They could just post some comment, not pretend the discontent and irritation just doesn't exist for months now (it was already mentioned in the 1st Sisi feedback thread back in october 2010!!).
I'm VERY disapppointed!
I can understand that.
The character traits were in the characters before the new system. The new system just made them more believable.
As for not wanting to play an Asian style character I can also understand that if you don't feel comfortable with it. That does not make you racist in any form.
I myself play both sexes, female characters can be Asian Africa, European, whatever I don't find it a problem as I don't RP female characters in anyway. Male characters I find hard to role play African and Asian male characters because sometimes I will role play those characters. It's all to do with what you feel comfortable with.
As for real people I don't care which country or race people are from, because people are just people regardless what else they are trying to be.
Being able to rechoose the bloodlines would have made the transition easier.
I realize that I role play a bit more than I thought. I can certainly play other races and even sexes but the characters which I play in groups where I will talk to be on on teamspeak really need to be closer to how I really am.
Thats how it is for me at least... I tend to act as my characters look (I used to be an acter in hs, and I like to behave closer to who I really am meeting real people on ts
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Stegas Tyrano
GREY COUNCIL
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Posted - 2011.01.19 19:16:00 -
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Support this if you do...
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Diomedes Calypso
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Posted - 2011.01.19 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: Ilsendel
Originally by: Diomedes Calypso I wouldn't use the word "racist" because that suggests a malice that I know is not there, but I really do think that CCP has been racially insensitive in its handling of the new character appearance options.
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Basically , CCP has all sorts of ways of addressing things while maintaining your creative license and budgets.... failing to take those steps makes a real statement about their racial concerns. Again, as I started, I am certain that CCP has good intentions (and has put real effort and money into third world relief) . I'm am sure this is a matter of understanding not intention yet the wax in the ears is problematic.
Omg. This is awesome lol. CCP is racist or racially insensitive because they didn't include options for every single possible ethnicity. Do you realize how expensive and time consuming that would be? The patch was over 3 gigs when installed......take a wild guess how big it would be when you add in every possible racial type or combo?
If they DON'T add every possible type/combo, then someone is gonna be mad/upset. Add to that the apparent fact that they now must also work to ensure that their handful of players with autism will be upset without special considerations being made for them and their disabilities. The line has to be drawn somewhere.
Let's drop the racial and handicapped crap. I agree that they should allow you to change bloodline, not because of racial or handicapped stuff, but because it was plainly evident that many people chose their bloodline back when that mattered. All it matters these days is for looks. Some people won't like the new look of their bloodline, and so the change should be allowed. You were locked into that choice BEFORE they changed the character looks, and now that the change has been made, they should allow you to change your bloodline.
To the OP, if not having your character looking exactly perfect eats away at your mind that bad, how is it that you deal with playing in a game world where all of your most careful laid plans are ruined by someone else coming along with the express intent of ruining them? That's not an insult, I am truly curious on that.
The point I mad was that the traits they chose almost entirely leave out the third world darker skinned peoples of the world. If some were included and others were not I would agree with you. Look at who are the most common domestic servants, dishwashers etc even in european countries and try to picture them... yeah I can play other people, but my kids are of a different race than the majority and these "small" things add up.
An for me the issue is they are easily addressable...yet even when asked they wond't adress it. Just giving far darker skin pigment options and a few more hair styles would work. Given the flexiblity build into the editor as it stand, if you could change race and bloodline, with a couple extra hair styles and pigments you could do almost anything.
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Welsige
Gallente Guardian Manufacturing Incorp. Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.01.19 19:36:00 -
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I think we should be able to change bloodlines.
Most old players had to chose a race just because of bonus.
Now that races dont play a role anymore on bonuses, they should let those that want a better looking character to do so.
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Cathy Drall
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2011.01.19 20:54:00 -
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Of course we should be able to change bloodlines!
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Creh Ester
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Posted - 2011.01.19 21:02:00 -
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No. The problem is not the bloodlines. It's the limited features of the editor. Hopefully, it will have more options in some future.
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Jenny Cameron
Caldari Ordo Eventus
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Posted - 2011.01.19 21:23:00 -
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Originally by: Creh Ester No. The problem is not the bloodlines. It's the limited features of the editor. Hopefully, it will have more options in some future.
If it has the same effect, so much the better!! :)
The options are VERY limited atm, I mean, my old Civire had yellow-blonde hair, why is the option taken away in the first place while it's availabe for other races and bloodlines?!?! ________________* - If you're in favour of a bloodline change please vote in the Assembly Hall in this thread - |
Hugo Myway
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Posted - 2011.01.19 21:48:00 -
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One thing to keep in mind here, is that the original potraits were closer to cartoon representations . Some were humans, but many were a step beyond humans... plenty of exagerated head shapes , some accesories looked like borg like implants, and the tatoos were so extreme sometimes that it was easier to think of things as alien races ...more ficitonal content.
The current creator is a very advanced simulator of human faces. There is little mistaking 96% plus of characters as possible depictions of people you could me in a large city like London, New-York , or Amsterdam. With such a firm move toward human faces, the ommision of half the world (and not randomly) sends a far different statment than the choices before (which many might also argue were slightly more inclusive)
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Forum Guy
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Posted - 2011.01.19 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: Shander Maxum
I realize that I role play a bit more than I thought. I can certainly play other races and even sexes but the characters which I play in groups where I will talk to be on on teamspeak really need to be closer to how I really am.
Thats how it is for me at least... I tend to act as my characters look (I used to be an acter in hs, and I like to behave closer to who I really am meeting real people on ts
You just try to stay within your comfort zone when RPing, I think most of us do that.
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Caldariftw123
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Posted - 2011.01.19 22:02:00 -
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Edited by: Caldariftw123 on 19/01/2011 22:04:13 It's a space game set XXX thousand years in the future, why on earth would the 'human race' resemble todays cultures at all? Frankly if they made the game 100% full of Asians, or 100% all african, or 100% all northern european, does it actually matter? I know race is a sensitive issue IRL but how would it make any sense at all to have any resemblance with the human race as it stands today? They can either make up the races entirely or just pick a few cultures from today and go with it, either way it's almost irrelevant.
Bringing racial issues into this spaceship game is ridiculous and says far more about how sensitive YOU guys are about race, and how you perhaps deem your own culture higher than others maybe, than it does about the people that made the game. Do you think "oh noes I look nothing like an orc, how dare they stop me recreating myself in game!" when playing a fantasy game? No of course not .. Just because EVE looks like humans, make no mistake they're very far removed from today's culture..
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Cathy Drall
Amarr Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2011.01.19 22:12:00 -
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Originally by: Hugo Myway The current creator is a very advanced simulator of human faces. There is little mistaking 96% plus of characters as possible depictions of people you could me in a large city like London, New-York , or Amsterdam. With such a firm move toward human faces, the ommision of half the world (and not randomly) sends a far different statment than the choices before (which many might also argue were slightly more inclusive)
Well that's if you create a new character. If you're stuck with whatever CCP rolled for your particular bloodline there's far less choice.
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Nuhm DeAra
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Posted - 2011.01.19 22:14:00 -
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"able" and no, deal with it.
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Cathy Drall
Amarr Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2011.01.19 22:15:00 -
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Originally by: Caldariftw123 Bringing racial issues into this spaceship game is ridiculous and says far more about how sensitive YOU guys are about race, and how you perhaps deem your own culture higher than others maybe, than it does about the people that made the game. Do you think "oh noes I look nothing like an orc, how dare they stop me recreating myself in game!" when playing a fantasy game? No of course not .. Just because EVE looks like humans, make no mistake they're very far removed from today's culture..
That has nothing to do with it. It's about being able to relate to your character, whether race it is. Some people want to have black hair but can't anymore, some bloodlines can't make gold blond hair anymore where they used to be able to do so, others wanted to be black and are now forbidden to make a black character. It just decreases the immersion. And that's just bad, by definition, in a mmorpg.
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Ping Fa
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Posted - 2011.01.19 22:19:00 -
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Originally by: Tyburn Stannis
Originally by: Maria Yi I for one am shocked and appalled that being a particular BLOODLINE that I CHOSE means I look a particular way.
The point is, that when we chose it - it DIDN'T look that way.
Pretty much this. Most of us chose our blood line due to the appearance of the character and now things have completely changed. Bloodline has no impact in game at all, it's 100% aesthetic and with such a massive overhaul of the character creation process it's kind of mind boggling that we're still stuck with the bloodline we chose in a different system.
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Forum Guy
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Posted - 2011.01.19 22:26:00 -
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Originally by: Caldariftw123 Edited by: Caldariftw123 on 19/01/2011 22:04:13 It's a space game set XXX thousand years in the future, why on earth would the 'human race' resemble todays cultures at all? Frankly if they made the game 100% full of Asians, or 100% all african, or 100% all northern european, does it actually matter? I know race is a sensitive issue IRL but how would it make any sense at all to have any resemblance with the human race as it stands today? They can either make up the races entirely or just pick a few cultures from today and go with it, either way it's almost irrelevant. ..
If the races had been made up completely without any racial traits then there would be no problem. As the races are based on current races on Earth then people will opt more for their own races or at least races where they understand also the cultures. Totally depends on if they RP or not, if they don't RP they will not be that concerned in general what they play. If they do RP (even if it's only sometimes) they will want to play something they think they know enough about.
Originally by: Caldariftw123
Bringing racial issues into this spaceship game is ridiculous and says far more about how sensitive YOU guys are about race, and how you perhaps deem your own culture higher than others maybe, than it does about the people that made the game. Do you think "oh noes I look nothing like an orc, how dare they stop me recreating myself in game!" when playing a fantasy game? No of course not .. Just because EVE looks like humans, make no mistake they're very far removed from today's culture..
Don't think anyone is bring racial issues into the game, it's just about which characters people feel comfortable playing. You have to remember that the character changes have been quite dramatic and some peoples older characters may have been transformed into a character they are no longer comfortable with RPing.
That's not racism that's just people being people.
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Snowbell
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Posted - 2011.01.20 10:38:00 -
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Originally by: Ping Fa Most of us chose our blood line due to the appearance of the character and now things have completely changed. Bloodline has no impact in game at all, it's 100% aesthetic and with such a massive overhaul of the character creation process it's kind of mind boggling that we're still stuck with the bloodline we chose in a different system.
I fully agree with this. I really understand why CCP didn't think of this themselves.
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Fat Willy
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Posted - 2011.01.20 10:48:00 -
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Originally by: Ava Starfire At least you can get close. Those of us from India dont get to look like ourselves. CCP was kind enough to rip off our culture though.
*shrugs*
When I first loaded the character creator I clicked on the randomiser and started out looking like someone from India or Pakistan... The Brutor pale skin colour, straight black hair and facial options would appear to get you close to that appearance. It's much easier to create a black guy.
Has anyone been able to make a good looking black female? Haven't seen one yet.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.01.20 11:02:00 -
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Quote: I think it's good that CCP has chosen to put in different kind of ethnicities. I think it's f-ing awful that we didn't have a choice in the matter choosing our characters' ethnicity. I am a Minmatar with the bloodline Brutor. It's an African ethnicity. I am not an African.
Brutors looked African before the patch. If you didn't want to play a dark-skinned character, then perhaps you shouldn't have created one to start with?
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Thathanka
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Posted - 2011.01.20 11:12:00 -
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Change bloodlines? That's got to be one of the worst ideas I've read on here so far. Don't be so silly!
The real issue is why the character creator is so lightweight - I was expecting all manner of bells and whistles but there are very few options, dress-style, haircuts, etc and no tattoos, jewellery or accessories.
I don't care that the Brutor are dark skinned - that's the way they are supposed to be - I'm more concerned that the limited options available have forced 95% of the Brutor playerbase to create dreadlock sprouting, shade wearing Hell's Angels!
Having said all that - most of us took less than an hour to create our avatar. With a little practice and imagination I'm sure we will see some interesting faces in the future.
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Cathy Drall
Amarr Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2011.01.20 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Thathanka Change bloodlines? That's got to be one of the worst ideas I've read on here so far. Don't be so silly!
The real issue is why the character creator is so lightweight - I was expecting all manner of bells and whistles but there are very few options, dress-style, haircuts, etc and no tattoos, jewellery or accessories.
Well I wouldn't mind either way - I think the people who aren't happy are the ones that can't re-create their old avatars and find the options in the new editor are very restricted.
If they at least gave more options to all the booodlines I'd be much happier, or if they'd allow me a bloodline or even racial change I'd be happy too. As log as I can have the freedom make my character look like I want, not restricted by new artificial limitations.
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ShaLamaDra
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Posted - 2011.01.20 11:41:00 -
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Well, with little imagination you can get your current bloodline look more towards whatever you like. There was one Brutor char I saw that really looked he was half asian just by changing his cheekbones a bit. The char creator is so good you can really do very much with it even with limited options it currently offers. And Having some hair colors and styles not available to all will just add to the difference between bloodlines which is good. And originally I chose my bloodline for my main with RP in mind suince most of the bonuses actually came from the other background information, not so much from the bloodline (it was more related to +/-2 different attributes).
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Jenny Cameron
Caldari Ordo Eventus
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Posted - 2011.01.21 09:18:00 -
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Originally by: ShaLamaDra Well, with little imagination you can get your current bloodline look more towards whatever you like.
In my imagination my character still looks exactly like she looked like.
But this is not about imagination. If you remove hair colours, styles, eyes, skin tones and put back different ones no way you can recreate what you envisioned long ago when you made your character. Another race and/or bloodline may cater your ideal picture far better now, far better than "my imagination" will.
So I'd say either give back our options or allow a bloodline remake. ________________* - If you're in favour of a bloodline change please vote in the Assembly Hall in this thread - |
Jagga Spikes
Minmatar Spikes Chop Shop
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Posted - 2011.01.21 09:44:00 -
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Originally by: ShaLamaDra Well, with little imagination you can get your current bloodline look more towards whatever you like. There was one Brutor char I saw that really looked he was half asian just by changing his cheekbones a bit. The char creator is so good you can really do very much with it even with limited options it currently offers. ...
character creator is not so good. some bloodlines are more flexible than others. Brutor, Deteis, Civire and Gallente can look quite different. on the other hand Amarr, Khanid and Vherokior have some hard-locked features. easing up these racial features would go a long way. extra accessories (hair, cloth, makeup, tattoo) might help, but only so much.
changing bloodline should only be last choice and one not to be taken lightly. but it should be there. ________________________________ : Forum Bore 'Em : Foamy The Squirrel - [jedi handwave] "There is no spoon." |
Cathy Drall
Amarr Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2011.01.21 10:14:00 -
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The thing with this issue is that a lot of people picked a look and it belonged to some race and bloodline - but since those don't matter anyhow gameplay-wise, who could care less?
Now we have a new character editor and we still want that certain look but suddenly we're stuck with a bloodline that doesn't have the options we looked for when we made our character! Suddenly my favourite eyes belong to Civire, my favourite hair to Gallente and my favourite skin to Deitis (just an example)!
I find it very disturbing that CCP never even thought about the issues a lot of their players could have with this and never payed any attention about what's been said in the Sisi feedback threads. Yes we were just a portrait now but with Incarna coming your looks become more important. And I find it very sad that i can't pick the look I want just because I'm stuck with some bloodline or other while race/bloodline doesn't interest me in the least and has no impact whatsoever on gameplay.
Originally by: Jagga Spikes
Originally by: ShaLamaDra Well, with little imagination you can get your current bloodline look more towards whatever you like. There was one Brutor char I saw that really looked he was half asian just by changing his cheekbones a bit. The char creator is so good you can really do very much with it even with limited options it currently offers. ...
character creator is not so good. some bloodlines are more flexible than others. Brutor, Deteis, Civire and Gallente can look quite different. on the other hand Amarr, Khanid and Vherokior have some hard-locked features. easing up these racial features would go a long way. extra accessories (hair, cloth, makeup, tattoo) might help, but only so much.
changing bloodline should only be last choice and one not to be taken lightly. but it should be there.
Very true. Some people are really p*ssed of by this and I understand why.
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